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[Jimmmmm]

Are you choosing to ignore this?

- Scum will not be immediately outed if they are forced to claim.

I am not.  I don't see how this has ANYTHING to do with what you are accused of, man.

You were not forced to claim.
You were NOT forced to claim.
You were not asked to claim.

How does this relate?  You admitted to having an AXE.  What good guy has an AXE?  (Don't say Paul Bunyan).  That has nothing to do with being forced to claim.  You could have just not said anything.

Oh semantics. Yes I was not actually forced to claim. But I did. And I'm going to go ahead and say that I am The Woodcutter.

If you think I'm scum, then you must feel really good about the chances of catching whatever other scum there are. Let's just claim all flavour, and somehow each scum will be outed by another person's flavour because, hey, Mafia is a boring old game in which the mod tells people how to catch scum and all we have to do is compare notes.

If you really truly believe that Arch told mail-mi that scum has an axe, and I am that scum and did not know better than to out myself, then I expect much better from you, especially as someone who is good at designing games of Mafia.

Seriously, if you were in the position you think I'm in, you would be quitting right about now.

[Jimmmmm]

I'm gonna read the ash self-vote as a town flag. I'm not ready to rejoin a Jimmmmm wagon so in light of my previous reasons to leave the Jimmmm wagon I am Vote: mail-mi.

The self-vote is an ash flag. He is going to claim that he only self-votes as Town, but he certainly knows his own meta well enough to do it as scum. In fact this time around it looked a little forced.

[Jimmmmm]

Does anybody's have to do with an axe?

Yep.

vote: jimmmmm

Wow. Explanation?

Flavor thing. "An axe wants to destroy the entire forest" is basically what it says

No no no, the Enchanted Forest is my home! I consider its plants and animals my family.

Is this a joke or a reference?  I can't think of a fairy tale character that considers plants/animals family off the top of my head.  Definitely NOT Paul Bunyan.

This is a description of what I was told in my PM.

[ashersky]

Are you choosing to ignore this?

- Scum will not be immediately outed if they are forced to claim.

I am not.  I don't see how this has ANYTHING to do with what you are accused of, man.

You were not forced to claim.
You were NOT forced to claim.
You were not asked to claim.

How does this relate?  You admitted to having an AXE.  What good guy has an AXE?  (Don't say Paul Bunyan).  That has nothing to do with being forced to claim.  You could have just not said anything.

Oh semantics. Yes I was not actually forced to claim. But I did. And I'm going to go ahead and say that I am The Woodcutter.

If you think I'm scum, then you must feel really good about the chances of catching whatever other scum there are. Let's just claim all flavour, and somehow each scum will be outed by another person's flavour because, hey, Mafia is a boring old game in which the mod tells people how to catch scum and all we have to do is compare notes.

If you really truly believe that Arch told mail-mi that scum has an axe, and I am that scum and did not know better than to out myself, then I expect much better from you, especially as someone who is good at designing games of Mafia.

Seriously, if you were in the position you think I'm in, you would be quitting right about now.

I disagree with your assessment.  You had zero reason to mention the axe at all, so mail-mi knowing an axe-wielder is scum had no real power without a claim.  You could have lied or kept quiet.  Another likely scenario is someone else had an axe.  Or there are multiple axes.  Or there is a flavor cop.

So I disagree with you that the scenario I laid out would make archetype a bad mod or game designer.  I think you just spoke too soon.

As for "the woodcutter," please enlighten us to whatever fairy tale that comes from.

[Jimmmmm]

I don't normally do these, but I have a feeling I'm right out on top, so I'll shamelessly point that out.

Post count:

Jimmmmm: 50
EFHW: 26
ashersky: 22
pingpongsam: 17
 mail-mi: 17
xeiron: 10
Voltgloss: 6
XerxesPraelor: 9
Morgrim7: 9
faust: 5
chairs: 4
BoxOfDog: 2

[Jimmmmm]

I disagree with your assessment.  You had zero reason to mention the axe at all, so mail-mi knowing an axe-wielder is scum had no real power without a claim.

Oh, so scum won't be immediately outed if forced to claim, but they will instead gladly out themselves on Day 1 with no pressure?

If I was "forced" to claim, I would have nothing to say but Woodcutter, and we'd have the exact same discussion.

[Jimmmmm]

As for "the woodcutter," please enlighten us to whatever fairy tale that comes from.

Well I'm assuming it's the one from Little Red Riding Hood, but my PM doesn't say one way or another.

[ashersky]

I disagree with your assessment.  You had zero reason to mention the axe at all, so mail-mi knowing an axe-wielder is scum had no real power without a claim.

Oh, so scum won't be immediately outed if forced to claim, but they will instead gladly out themselves on Day 1 with no pressure?

If I was "forced" to claim, I would have nothing to say but Woodcutter, and we'd have the exact same discussion.

I addressed this.  I said outing yourself now could mean you are town, or you did it to seem like town, because scum has no reason to out themselves.  Basically, I'm accusing you of "hiding in plain sight."

[ashersky]

As for "the woodcutter," please enlighten us to whatever fairy tale that comes from.

Well I'm assuming it's the one from Little Red Riding Hood, but my PM doesn't say one way or another.

I don't know of a woodcutter in that tale.  There's a girl, a wolf, a grandma...then the girl outsmarts the wolf and fills it's belly full of rocks.  No woodcutter.

[ashersky]

I don't normally do these, but I have a feeling I'm right out on top, so I'll shamelessly point that out.

Post count:

Jimmmmm: 50
EFHW: 26
ashersky: 22
pingpongsam: 17
 mail-mi: 17
xeiron: 10
Voltgloss: 6
XerxesPraelor: 9
Morgrim7: 9
faust: 5
chairs: 4
BoxOfDog: 2

Man, Voltgloss and down need to get active.

[ashersky]

Jimmmmm, you stated earlier that you believe "fire" to be the danger to the forest.  Can you explain?

Woodcutter and Fire don't seem to match up.

[Jimmmmm]

Jimmmmm, you stated earlier that you believe "fire" to be the danger to the forest.  Can you explain?

It's a danger. It concerns me because I don't want my Forest to be set on fire.

[ashersky]

Jimmmmm, you stated earlier that you believe "fire" to be the danger to the forest.  Can you explain?

It's a danger. It concerns me because I don't want my Forest to be set on fire.

Do you think our neighborhood is "your" forest?

[faust]

If you don't mind, I would like everyone to answer the following question:

Is your flavor character associated to the color red?

This one?  Why do you ask?

It might be helpful to find scum/clear town players, is all I can say.

[Jimmmmm]

Jimmmmm, you stated earlier that you believe "fire" to be the danger to the forest.  Can you explain?

It's a danger. It concerns me because I don't want my Forest to be set on fire.

Do you think our neighborhood is "your" forest?

I know that the Enchanted Forest is my home.

[faust]

The view from the edge of the forest is one to behold. Looking deep into it, you can see the thicket of massive trees and the few berry bushes decorating the land. An axe resides in the forest and threatens to destroy the colossal foliage. Two others are present, as well. Though their story isn’t discussed until later.

What does this really say?

A) There is a forest. We know the neighborhood QT is named "Enchanted Forest."
B) Someone with an axe lives in the forest, along with two others. That would be ash/EFHW/Jimmmmm, the neighbors.
C) It is hard to see in the forest, but the axe (=Jimmmmm) could destroy the "foliage". More than Jimmmmm being scum, this points to Jimmmmm having some investigative power for me.

unvote

[faust]

In fact, vote: ashersky. Maybe he doesn't want the covering foliage of the forest destroyed and this is why he pushes Jimmmmm so hard.

[Jimmmmm]

In fact, vote: ashersky. Maybe he doesn't want the covering foliage of the forest destroyed and this is why he pushes Jimmmmm so hard.

Why is the foliage bad?

[faust]

Townpoints for mail-mi though for trying to use this for scumhunting, even if I think now that it was misled.

[faust]

In fact, vote: ashersky. Maybe he doesn't want the covering foliage of the forest destroyed and this is why he pushes Jimmmmm so hard.

Why is the foliage bad?

I think the foliage stands for an obstructed view, and that if it is cleared, we might see who the players living in the forest really are (i.e. town or scum). And that ashersky doesn't want that to happen.

[Jimmmmm]

Townpoints for mail-mi though for trying to use this for scumhunting, even if I think now that it was misled.

I agree that mail-mi's part in this is more likely scumhunting than trickery.

[ashersky]

In fact, vote: ashersky. Maybe he doesn't want the covering foliage of the forest destroyed and this is why he pushes Jimmmmm so hard.

Why is the foliage bad?

I think the foliage stands for an obstructed view, and that if it is cleared, we might see who the players living in the forest really are (i.e. town or scum). And that ashersky doesn't want that to happen.

Your 180 is hilarious.

Your interpretation is...a stretch?  If Jimmmmm is a cop, you just did a heck of a lot of out him.  That was anti-town at best, scummy at worst.

[ashersky]

Townpoints for mail-mi though for trying to use this for scumhunting, even if I think now that it was misled.

I agree that mail-mi's part in this is more likely scumhunting than trickery.

100% agree as well.

[Jimmmmm]

In fact, vote: ashersky. Maybe he doesn't want the covering foliage of the forest destroyed and this is why he pushes Jimmmmm so hard.

Why is the foliage bad?

I think the foliage stands for an obstructed view, and that if it is cleared, we might see who the players living in the forest really are (i.e. town or scum). And that ashersky doesn't want that to happen.

Your 180 is hilarious.

Your interpretation is...a stretch?  If Jimmmmm is a cop, you just did a heck of a lot of out him.  That was anti-town at best, scummy at worst.

Hmm, this is the most sensible thing you've said in a while.

[ashersky]

Separately, or possibly perpedicular to this:

Does anyone care about Tuesday?