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RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Game Over- Town Wins!)
« on: September 24, 2013, 06:00:41 pm »

RMM11: A Grimm Tale
In a dusty old library, twelve friends gather around an ancient storybook. With a turn of a page, the book begins to glow brightly. In a blast of light, these twelve souls are sucked from the real world into a fairy tale.

And they decide to play a game of Mafia.


Signups:

1. pingpongsam
2. ashersky Wolf-aligned 'Big Bad' Godfather/Ninja.
Lynched Day 1.
3. Voltgloss ashersky
4. EFHW Witch-aligned 'Maleficent' 2-shot Watcher Killed Day 2.
5. mail-mi
6. faust
7. xeiron
8. XerxesPraelor Town-aligned 'Prince Charming' Bodyguard Killed Night 3
9. BoxOfDog
10. Jimmmmm Town-aligned 'The Woodcutter' Lumberjack-of-all-trades Killed Night 3
11. Morgrim7 Town-aligned 'Tom Thumb' Compulsive Hider OR Rewarded Doctor Lynched Day 3.
12. chairs

The following Rules of Mafia will be used but with these changes:


- An action may be sent N0 if your role allows it.
- Any action not sent by deadline will default to 'No Action'
- Prods will not be issued automatically
- A 'No Lynch' will occur if by deadline there is a tie for most votes


In addition, we will be using 10 Day day deadlines and 48 hour night deadlines. I may start the night early if all actions are in.

This is a Role Madness game. This means that every player in the game will have some sort of power role. As such, this game will have a heavier emphasis on roles than intense social deduction. However, players will still be able to scumhunt, make cases, etc.


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Now, here's how the game will work. In addition to each player receiving a power role, they will also be given a link to a quicktopic. The first post of this messaging board will be a short passage. Some parts of this passage will be pure flavor, but others will drop tidbits of information about the game's setup. However, the passage won't come right and say what's important. It'll be written vaguely and the player can interpret the story however they wish. The rest of the quicktopic can be used to talk about the game, musing over clues in your passage, etc. All QTs will be revealed at the end of the game and up until that point will only be seen by the mod's eyes.


Setup Information:

- The game's roles will be entirely based on famous and common storybook characters from a variety of fairytales. Not just those written by the Grimm brothers.
- This game is so flavorful it's ridiculous. However, you don't have to know the fairytale beforehand to fully use the role (though I suggest you at least look it up).
- Scum will not be immediately outed if they are forced to claim.
- The Town wincon is: "You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated".
- Don't try to outguess the mod
- This shouldn't be the first game you play on f.ds.


Sample PM:

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Flavor Name: Hansel
Alignment: Town. You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.
Role Name: Trackable Tracker

Banished from your house by your mother, you and your sister travel throughout the woods in hopes of someone rescuing you. Will someone pick up on your hints and help?

Each night you may target one player. You will be told the names of any and all players that player targeted that night. You will drop "breadcrumbs" on the way over to tracking them. Whenever someone targets you, they will follow your most recent trail of breadcrumbs and be told the name of the player you must recently targeted. They will not be told that you Tracked them.

Quicktopic Link: [LINK]

Sample Storybook Passage:


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At dawn, the dark rider rises to hunt it's prey. With fire in the heart and fire in the hearth, it rides onwards to Town. It's power is matched only by the one in green. He alone controls the flames and can move them at the flick of a wrist.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Signups Open!)
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2013, 06:13:42 pm »

innedy-in!
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Signups Open!)
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2013, 06:29:56 pm »

In, of course.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Signups Open!)
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2013, 07:01:52 pm »

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Signups Open!)
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2013, 07:07:20 pm »

I didn't plan on signing up for another game for awhile, but my fingers typed "in" before I could stop them.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Signups Open!)
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2013, 07:44:26 pm »

I know I shouldn't. I know I shouldn't. I know I can't not.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Signups Open!)
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2013, 09:12:56 pm »

There really needs to be a German player in this. So in!
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Signups Open!)
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2013, 09:14:12 pm »

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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2013, 10:07:06 am »

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« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2013, 06:12:35 pm »

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Signups Open!)
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2013, 07:04:26 pm »

Well halfway full with a whole lot of taggers. Awesome! That's much more than expected right out of the gate! Twistedarcher has looked over the game's roles, but I'll leave him tell you what he thinks of the roles.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Signups Open!)
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2013, 07:25:07 pm »

I'll /in when I'm dead in Modern Community or it ends.  But for now, /tag

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Signups Open!)
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2013, 08:42:35 pm »

Probably likewise
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Signups Open!)
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2013, 08:49:58 pm »

This game is going to be very cool! You guys are in for a treat!
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Signups Open!)
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2013, 10:54:57 am »

Please can this be the first game I play? It looks awesome, and I can commit.
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« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2013, 11:56:39 am »

Please can this be the first game I play? It looks awesome, and I can commit.
I would suggest joining this game first: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=9409.0
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« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2013, 05:25:34 pm »

Please can this be the first game I play? It looks awesome, and I can commit.
Yes, as much as I'd love to have another person signup, I'd strongly suggest you have at least one other game under your belt before signing up. Have you had previous Mafia experience?
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« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2013, 04:19:21 am »

Please can this be the first game I play? It looks awesome, and I can commit.
I would suggest joining this game first: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=9409.0

All right, thanks for the advice.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Signups Open!)
« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2013, 11:56:16 pm »

Bump for 6 more.  We need more RMM!
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Signups Open!)
« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2013, 07:32:37 pm »

Yep! Anyone else interested in joining in on the madness?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Signups Open!)
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2013, 11:01:15 am »

This still hasn't started? I'll enter if it starts after I'm killed in the 3-Kingdoms normal mafia.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Signups Open!)
« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2013, 11:07:58 am »

/in if it starts after November 8.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Signups Open!)
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2013, 06:14:20 pm »

It'll start whenever RMM10 ends. I'll put both of you /in now.

Walrus, are you still interested? I know AHoppy is taking a break.
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« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2013, 06:18:13 pm »

It'll start whenever RMM10 ends. I'll put both of you /in now.

Walrus, are you still interested? I know AHoppy is taking a break.
START NOW RMM10 IS OVER START NOW NOW NOW!

(ps jimmmm's game is rmm9)
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Signups Open!)
« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2013, 06:20:31 pm »

For a preemptive action, I've added the following rules:

- Players cannot 'No Lynch' on consecutive days.
- If there is a tie for most votes at the end of the day, a 'No Lynch' will occur.
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« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2013, 06:20:54 pm »

It'll start whenever RMM10 ends. I'll put both of you /in now.

Walrus, are you still interested? I know AHoppy is taking a break.
START NOW RMM10 IS OVER START NOW NOW NOW!

(ps jimmmm's game is rmm9)
Oh! Then yeah. When RMM9 ends.
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« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2013, 06:21:37 pm »

It'll start whenever RMM10 ends. I'll put both of you /in now.

Walrus, are you still interested? I know AHoppy is taking a break.

Ehhh I'm probably gonna sit this next round out myself. Maybe I'll give it another go in a few weeks!
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« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2013, 06:22:45 pm »

It'll start whenever RMM10 ends. I'll put both of you /in now.

Walrus, are you still interested? I know AHoppy is taking a break.

Ehhh I'm probably gonna sit this next round out myself. Maybe I'll give it another go in a few weeks!
Oh, ok. Thanks!
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« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2013, 06:31:35 pm »

Okay let me clarify this: Let's say we no-lynch day 2. On day 3, at deadline, there is a tie for most votes. Do we no-lynch, or what happens?
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« Reply #29 on: October 23, 2013, 06:32:35 pm »

Okay let me clarify this: Let's say we no-lynch day 2. On day 3, at deadline, there is a tie for most votes. Do we no-lynch, or what happens?
I modkill everyone.
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« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2013, 06:33:09 pm »

Okay let me clarify this: Let's say we no-lynch day 2. On day 3, at deadline, there is a tie for most votes. Do we no-lynch, or what happens?
I modkill everyone.
Well then...

... does that mean town wins?  ;D
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« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2013, 06:38:51 pm »

Okay let me clarify this: Let's say we no-lynch day 2. On day 3, at deadline, there is a tie for most votes. Do we no-lynch, or what happens?
I modkill everyone.
Well then...

... does that mean town wins?  ;D
Yes.

Hm. Actually, I'll let people No Lynch as much as they want. That'll probably be a lot simpler than putting in some weird unique vote system.
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« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2013, 07:22:00 am »

I think I'm out. Done with RMM for a while.
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« Reply #33 on: October 24, 2013, 08:38:40 am »

I think I'm out. Done with RMM for a while.

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« Reply #34 on: October 24, 2013, 05:28:15 pm »

I think I'm out. Done with RMM for a while.
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« Reply #35 on: October 24, 2013, 05:29:10 pm »

I think I'm out. Done with RMM for a while.

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« Reply #36 on: October 24, 2013, 05:39:22 pm »

I don't if you've noticed, but.. I've completely sucked at all the "madness" parts in every RMM game I've ever played.
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« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2013, 05:41:53 pm »

I don't if you've noticed, but.. I've completely sucked at all the "madness" parts in every RMM game I've ever played.
Hope you're not still bitter about RMM8. :P

I think you've been doing just great, Eevee! But if you want to take a break then that's perfectly alright.
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« Reply #38 on: October 26, 2013, 09:54:28 am »

/out for now, sorry.
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« Reply #39 on: October 27, 2013, 09:42:35 am »

/in  8)
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« Reply #40 on: October 27, 2013, 11:48:55 am »

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« Reply #41 on: October 27, 2013, 02:00:21 pm »

RMM9 left me with Mafia blue-balls.
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« Reply #42 on: October 27, 2013, 02:30:59 pm »

RMM9 left me with Mafia blue-balls.
Hah! I'm glad you're in this one. I'm surprised that xeiron isn't /in. This should have significant theory talk which he loves.
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« Reply #43 on: October 28, 2013, 02:03:24 am »

Oooh, dear. I better not regret this..

My crap ends tomorrow, so expect to see a lot more of me!

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« Reply #44 on: October 28, 2013, 04:46:17 am »

RMM9 left me with Mafia blue-balls.
Hah! I'm glad you're in this one. I'm surprised that xeiron isn't /in. This should have significant theory talk which he loves.
Yes, yes. I will /in
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Signups Open!)
« Reply #45 on: October 28, 2013, 06:35:22 am »

and I'm /in. Normal mafia was a little boring. I like roles.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Signups Open!)
« Reply #46 on: October 28, 2013, 06:39:30 am »

/in if it starts after November 8.

Feel free to start without me if you get numbers before then.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Signups Open!)
« Reply #47 on: October 28, 2013, 05:49:30 pm »

Xerxes, you're already /in!  ;D

Xeiron and BoD are both in. Jimmmmmmmm, I'm assuming you're reining?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Signups Open!)
« Reply #48 on: October 28, 2013, 09:50:49 pm »

Xerxes, you're already /in!  ;D

Xeiron and BoD are both in. Jimmmmmmmm, I'm assuming you're reining?

If it starts no earlier than Nov 8 then yes. But someone can take my spot and start earlier if you want.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Signups Open!)
« Reply #49 on: October 30, 2013, 06:00:24 pm »

and I'm /in. Normal mafia was a little boring. I like roles.

Sorry you found it boring! I don't think you will find this one to be boring however, Arch is known for some pretty great roles/mechanics.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (2 spots left! Starts November 10th!)
« Reply #50 on: October 30, 2013, 08:36:01 pm »

November 10?  Boo.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (2 spots left! Starts November 10th!)
« Reply #51 on: October 30, 2013, 08:46:45 pm »

November 10?  Boo.
Well I don't want to start it alongside Toy Story.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (2 spots left! Starts November 10th!)
« Reply #52 on: October 31, 2013, 09:10:54 pm »

PMs are written out, need just two more!

Dsell? Sudgy? Voltgloss? Voltaire? Morgrim?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (2 spots left! Starts November 10th!)
« Reply #53 on: November 01, 2013, 09:55:24 am »

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (2 spots left! Starts November 10th!)
« Reply #54 on: November 01, 2013, 10:15:32 am »

Sorry, too many games right now.  :(
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (2 spots left! Starts November 10th!)
« Reply #55 on: November 01, 2013, 05:42:07 pm »

Grim? I always want mor of that. /in
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (2 spots left! Starts November 10th!)
« Reply #56 on: November 01, 2013, 06:02:12 pm »

Yay!

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (1 spot left! Starts November 10th!)
« Reply #57 on: November 01, 2013, 11:17:08 pm »

I'll /in
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (1 spot left! Starts November 10th!)
« Reply #58 on: November 02, 2013, 12:04:05 am »

/out

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (2 spots left! Starts November 10th!)
« Reply #59 on: November 02, 2013, 04:21:02 pm »

Grim? I always want mor of that. /in
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (1 spot left! Starts November 10th!)
« Reply #60 on: November 02, 2013, 05:49:58 pm »

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (1 spot left! Starts November 10th!)
« Reply #61 on: November 02, 2013, 07:24:55 pm »

Since people seem to like Sample PMs, I've added one to the OP.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (2 spots left! Starts November 10th!)
« Reply #62 on: November 03, 2013, 02:52:07 am »

Grim? I always want mor of that. /in
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (2 spots left! Starts November 10th!)
« Reply #63 on: November 03, 2013, 12:25:55 pm »

Grim? I always want mor of that. /in
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (1 spot left! Starts November 10th!)
« Reply #64 on: November 03, 2013, 01:11:40 pm »

He was scum here.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (1 spot left! Starts November 10th!)
« Reply #65 on: November 03, 2013, 04:38:37 pm »

And the Mafia won! Yay!
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (1 spot left! Starts November 10th!)
« Reply #66 on: November 03, 2013, 04:52:11 pm »

And the Mafia won! Yay!
... You were a werewolf...
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (1 spot left! Starts November 10th!)
« Reply #67 on: November 03, 2013, 05:34:35 pm »

And the Mafia won! Yay!
... You were a werewolf...

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (1 spot left! Starts November 10th!)
« Reply #68 on: November 04, 2013, 07:36:49 am »

And the Mafia won! Yay!
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (1 spot left! Starts November 10th!)
« Reply #69 on: November 04, 2013, 09:59:00 am »

Sorry, I should really /out.

If my internet shows up before the game starts and a spot exists I'd be happy to /in again.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (1 spot left! Starts November 10th!)
« Reply #70 on: November 04, 2013, 05:46:03 pm »

:(
Well hopefully you get your Internet back in time. I'm guessing this won't start by November 10th, so you should hopefully be able to re-/in.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (2 spots left!)
« Reply #71 on: November 05, 2013, 12:23:14 am »

/vote Sudgy
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (2 spots left!)
« Reply #72 on: November 05, 2013, 12:28:41 am »

/vote Sudgy

I'm already in three other games.  So no.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (2 spots left!)
« Reply #73 on: November 05, 2013, 08:34:11 am »

I'm convinced.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (2 spots left!)
« Reply #74 on: November 05, 2013, 08:35:51 am »

Vote: Morgrim7
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (2 spots left!)
« Reply #75 on: November 05, 2013, 09:19:07 am »

Vote:sudgy

Even if I get two more people, this won't start until at the earliest November 10th.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (2 spots left!)
« Reply #76 on: November 05, 2013, 10:01:46 am »

vote: sudgy
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (2 spots left!)
« Reply #77 on: November 08, 2013, 04:39:54 am »

/in!
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (2 spots left!)
« Reply #78 on: November 08, 2013, 05:36:56 pm »

You're already in! But I like the enthusiasm!  ;D
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« Reply #79 on: November 09, 2013, 01:20:57 am »

You're already in! But I like the enthusiasm!  ;D

No, I was in if it starts after the 8th. Now I'm fully in! :)
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (2 spots left!)
« Reply #80 on: November 11, 2013, 08:46:48 am »

Damn, I thought we had a 11/10 start date, now I see that was an "earliest" date.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (2 spots left!)
« Reply #81 on: November 11, 2013, 09:18:17 am »

The PMs are all ready to go, so once we have 2 more players we can immediatly start!
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (2 spots left!)
« Reply #82 on: November 12, 2013, 10:30:14 am »

I just have to keep telling myself, "Remember it's Role Madness.  For the love of REDACTED, remember that."

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (2 spots left!)
« Reply #83 on: November 12, 2013, 05:36:19 pm »

I just have to keep telling myself, "Remember it's Role Madness.  For the love of REDACTED, remember that."

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (2 spots left!)
« Reply #84 on: November 12, 2013, 05:51:46 pm »

The PMs are all ready to go, so once we have 2 more players we can immediatly start!
Ooh, ooh!
You have the PMs ready?

What role do I have?!
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (ONE MOREE)
« Reply #85 on: November 12, 2013, 06:12:31 pm »

The PMs are all ready to go, so once we have 2 more players we can immediatly start!
Ooh, ooh!
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (ONE MOREE)
« Reply #86 on: November 13, 2013, 10:32:42 am »

Screw it, I'll just do a lot of phone posting.

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« Reply #87 on: November 13, 2013, 11:00:59 am »

Screw it, I'll just do a lot of phone posting.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (ONE MOREE)
« Reply #91 on: November 13, 2013, 05:35:22 pm »

If you wish to /out, speak now or forever hold your piece. I'll be doublechecking everything, then sending out PMs.
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« Reply #92 on: November 13, 2013, 05:38:24 pm »

If you wish to /out, speak now or forever hold your piece. I'll be doublechecking everything, then sending out PMs.
/out

Just kidding.

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« Reply #93 on: November 13, 2013, 06:20:09 pm »

If you wish to /out, speak now or forever hold your piece. I'll be doublechecking everything, then sending out PMs.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (/out if you need to)
« Reply #94 on: November 13, 2013, 06:24:59 pm »

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (PMs incoming!)
« Reply #95 on: November 13, 2013, 06:57:03 pm »

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (N0!)
« Reply #96 on: November 14, 2013, 11:49:14 pm »

Old Man Grimm warned the local kids about the abandoned library at the edge of the lane. He said its haunted and it's too dangerous for kids to go into. Psh, as if! Danger like that only exists in stories!

On Halloween night, 12 friends grabbed as many flashlights and batteries as they could hold and decided to see what the big hubbub was about this 'haunted library'. The door opened with a creak and the friends all piled inside. To their dismay, all the shelves were empty of books. But on a pedestal, illuminated by the distant moon, a large book sat open. The group gathered around it to see what it was all about.

All at once, they read "Once upon a time..."

In a flutter of pages and a flash of light, the friends disappeared from the mortal world into a world of myth and magic. A world where battle lines are drawn and the battle of good and evil rages on. A world of danger that only exists in stories. But which side of the fight did these friends choose to fight on? Read on, reader. Read on...

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (N0!)
« Reply #97 on: November 14, 2013, 11:49:30 pm »

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #98 on: November 14, 2013, 11:51:56 pm »

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #99 on: November 14, 2013, 11:58:19 pm »

Hi everyone, talk to you tomorrow!
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #100 on: November 15, 2013, 12:04:27 am »

The Neverending Story called; it wants its plot back.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #101 on: November 15, 2013, 12:05:17 am »

I kid.  Sebastian!

vote: efhw for a scum slip in our neighborhood QT.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #102 on: November 15, 2013, 12:05:40 am »

The Neverending Story called; it wants its plot back.
All the +1s to you, sir.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #103 on: November 15, 2013, 03:37:25 am »

vote: efhw for a scum slip in our neighborhood QT.

Is this serious? If yes, please tell us a little more, so that we can decide if we should lynch her.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #104 on: November 15, 2013, 06:47:33 am »

vote: efhw for a scum slip in our neighborhood QT.
uhh...Vote: Ashersky until i get a decent explanation...?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #105 on: November 15, 2013, 08:16:23 am »

Vote: ashersky

I smell a bold scum plot. It's the only way he rolls.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #106 on: November 15, 2013, 09:09:43 am »

Arch, what time is deadline on November 24?

vote: efhw for a scum slip in our neighborhood QT.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #107 on: November 15, 2013, 10:29:41 am »

Well, this is exciting.  Did anybody else read their QT yet? Since there are hints in there, you really should if you haven't.

I'm still puzzling over mine to determine what's hint and what's flavor.

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« Reply #108 on: November 15, 2013, 10:43:48 am »

I did, and it seems very off compared to the flavor of my role. Maybe the QTs were randomized?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #109 on: November 15, 2013, 10:58:48 am »

I did, and it seems very off compared to the flavor of my role. Maybe the QTs were randomized?

The trick is how do we balance sharing our QTs with not giving scum too much of it? After all, in the setup information it's hinted that sharing our QT data could conceivably provide scum with assistance.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #110 on: November 15, 2013, 11:01:27 am »

Vote: XerxesPraelor. Not RVS. Can't say why.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #111 on: November 15, 2013, 11:08:06 am »

I did, and it seems very off compared to the flavor of my role. Maybe the QTs were randomized?

The trick is how do we balance sharing our QTs with not giving scum too much of it? After all, in the setup information it's hinted that sharing our QT data could conceivably provide scum with assistance.

scum want to know about PR's, we want to know about scum.  Maybe we can try to winnow out just the parts that give hints about scum roles.  I know mine does.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #112 on: November 15, 2013, 11:10:15 am »

I did, and it seems very off compared to the flavor of my role. Maybe the QTs were randomized?

The trick is how do we balance sharing our QTs with not giving scum too much of it? After all, in the setup information it's hinted that sharing our QT data could conceivably provide scum with assistance.

scum want to know about PR's, we want to know about scum.  Maybe we can try to winnow out just the parts that give hints about scum roles.  I know mine does.

Want to say anything about your scumslip?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #113 on: November 15, 2013, 11:12:22 am »

Ash is like a dog with a bone.  I said "when we get to Day 1 should we suggest we pool our clues?".  He says that means I am intending only to suggest it, not to do it, or else I would have said ""should we pool our clues" or "should we put our clues in the thread" to him.  My meaning was should we start the discussion.  He can say if I left anything out, but that's the gist of it so far as I can tell.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #114 on: November 15, 2013, 11:15:26 am »

Jimmmmm is also in the QT.  We're neighbors.

Are there any other multi-person QT's out there?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #115 on: November 15, 2013, 11:16:38 am »

Jimmmmm is also in the QT.  We're neighbors.

I guess there was no reason to keep that hidden given everyone already knew about you and ash, but you never know.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #116 on: November 15, 2013, 11:17:21 am »

Are there any other multi-person QT's out there?

Other than the two you're in?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #117 on: November 15, 2013, 11:17:49 am »

Vote: ashersky

I smell a bold scum plot. It's the only way he rolls.

He rolls this way as town, too, tho.  Check out Innovation.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #118 on: November 15, 2013, 11:17:59 am »

Are there any other multi-person QT's out there?

Other than the two you're in?

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #119 on: November 15, 2013, 11:19:43 am »

Jimmmmm, is EFHW's description of the scumslip accurate?  (I gather from your comment you agree with ash's assessment)
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #120 on: November 15, 2013, 11:20:42 am »

Jimmmmm is also in the QT.  We're neighbors.

I guess there was no reason to keep that hidden given everyone already knew about you and ash, but you never know.

So can you attest that I gave an accurate description of what happened?

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #121 on: November 15, 2013, 11:24:35 am »

Yep, that's pretty much what happened. I agree that the language used seems like what you might find in a scum QT. Whether that makes EFHW scum, I'm not sure.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #122 on: November 15, 2013, 11:27:02 am »

I was sort of hoping Ash would have some scumhunting plan, as was Jimmmmm.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #123 on: November 15, 2013, 11:39:47 am »

Last time I was in a Role Madness game and floated the idea of everyone sharing certain private information, I was SK in Major Arcana I, trying to suss out people's suits so I could figure out who to kill to power myself up.  And I approached it in the same "hey, maybe should we talk about this" vein as EFHW apparently has done here.

So ash has a point.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #124 on: November 15, 2013, 11:43:26 am »

I was sort of hoping Ash would have some scumhunting plan, as was Jimmmmm.

So you could manipulate, marginalize and direct it?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #125 on: November 15, 2013, 11:50:33 am »

I was sort of hoping Ash would have some scumhunting plan, as was Jimmmmm.

So you could manipulate, marginalize and direct it?

believe what you want.  I can only tell you what I meant.  I obviously can't prove it.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #126 on: November 15, 2013, 11:51:24 am »

I was sort of hoping Ash would have some scumhunting plan, as was Jimmmmm.

So you could manipulate, marginalize and direct it?

believe what you want.  I can only tell you what I meant.  I obviously can't prove it.

What did your scumbuddies say when you told them about your scumslip?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #127 on: November 15, 2013, 11:51:30 am »

At least one of you going along with this must be scum.  It's too good of an opportunity to let go by.
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« Reply #128 on: November 15, 2013, 11:54:39 am »

So, actually, I guess this is a decent way to start out the game.  Better than RVS, certainly.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #129 on: November 15, 2013, 11:57:41 am »

So, actually, I guess this is a decent way to start out the game.  Better than RVS, certainly.

Well done. Keep your nerves, don't overreact. Those pesky Townies will forget about it eventually.
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« Reply #130 on: November 15, 2013, 12:04:18 pm »

So, actually, I guess this is a decent way to start out the game.  Better than RVS, certainly.

Well done. Keep your nerves, don't overreact. Those pesky Townies will forget about it eventually.

Thanks!
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #131 on: November 15, 2013, 12:05:44 pm »

So, actually, I guess this is a decent way to start out the game.  Better than RVS, certainly.

Well done. Keep your nerves, don't overreact. Those pesky Townies will forget about it eventually.

Thanks!

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #132 on: November 15, 2013, 12:44:36 pm »

So, actually, I guess this is a decent way to start out the game.  Better than RVS, certainly.

Well done. Keep your nerves, don't overreact. Those pesky Townies will forget about it eventually.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #133 on: November 15, 2013, 12:47:17 pm »

So, actually, I guess this is a decent way to start out the game.  Better than RVS, certainly.

Well done. Keep your nerves, don't overreact. Those pesky Townies will forget about it eventually.

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« Reply #134 on: November 15, 2013, 12:56:01 pm »

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #135 on: November 15, 2013, 12:59:41 pm »

Well that's interesting.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #136 on: November 15, 2013, 01:01:22 pm »

I load up Dominion Forums.. Get on this thread..
And I was like, "YAY! I GET TO POST FIRS-" and I see several more pages ;-;
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #137 on: November 15, 2013, 05:36:44 pm »

Vote Count 1.1

EFHW (3) ashersky, mail-mi, Voltgloss
ashersky (1) Morgrim7
XerxesPraelor(1) Jimmmmm
Jimmmmm (2) pingpongsam, chairs

Not Voting (5) XerxesPraelor, xeiron, BoxOfDog, Faust, EFHW
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends on November 24th at 5:30 pm Forum Time.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #138 on: November 15, 2013, 05:49:50 pm »

Efhw's admission earlier is correct.  She used scum QT wording in a neighbor QT.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #139 on: November 15, 2013, 05:51:04 pm »

Here's a mini-plan.  This game is uberflavorful.  Go find a list of Grimm baddies.  Big bad wolf, evil witch, the rat guy, etc.  maybe we can match up our personal clues with something.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #140 on: November 15, 2013, 05:56:43 pm »

Efhw's admission earlier is correct.  She used scum QT wording in a neighbor QT.

Ah.  So you suspect EFHW's suggestion was something she typed up for a scum QT, but accidentally used in your neighbor QT?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #141 on: November 15, 2013, 05:58:24 pm »

Here's a mini-plan.  This game is uberflavorful.  Go find a list of Grimm baddies.  Big bad wolf, evil witch, the rat guy, etc.  maybe we can match up our personal clues with something.

You mean the Pied Piper? 
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #142 on: November 15, 2013, 06:23:55 pm »

Here's a mini-plan.  This game is uberflavorful.  Go find a list of Grimm baddies.  Big bad wolf, evil witch, the rat guy, etc.  maybe we can match up our personal clues with something.

This isn't a bad idea (along with wolves and witches, Rumpelstiltskin and wicked stepmothers come to mind), but:

- The game's roles will be entirely based on famous and common storybook characters from a variety of fairytales. Not just those written by the Grimm brothers.

I don't think we should limit ourselves to Grimm. 
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #143 on: November 15, 2013, 06:32:29 pm »

I am not convinced EFHW is scum. Wording can be very individual, and does not neeed to indicate alignment.
Not that I will dismiss the case either. But I won't jump on the wagon right now.

Vote: XerxesPraelor. Not RVS. Can't say why.

I will instead follow up on this interesting post from Jim.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #144 on: November 15, 2013, 06:55:36 pm »

I am not convinced EFHW is scum. Wording can be very individual, and does not neeed to indicate alignment.
Not that I will dismiss the case either. But I won't jump on the wagon right now.

Vote: XerxesPraelor. Not RVS. Can't say why.

I will instead follow up on this interesting post from Jim.
vote: XerxesPraelor

your sensible approach is appreciated.  Can you say more about your Xerxes vote?

I guess we can't use "X" as your nickname anymore.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #145 on: November 15, 2013, 06:56:19 pm »

Here's a mini-plan.  This game is uberflavorful.  Go find a list of Grimm baddies.  Big bad wolf, evil witch, the rat guy, etc.  maybe we can match up our personal clues with something.

This isn't a bad idea (along with wolves and witches, Rumpelstiltskin and wicked stepmothers come to mind),

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #146 on: November 15, 2013, 06:57:26 pm »

vote: jimmmmm

not that I disagree -- his approach to the QT issue has been out of character for him -- but why the vote?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #147 on: November 15, 2013, 07:54:46 pm »

vote: jimmmmm

not that I disagree -- his approach to the QT issue has been out of character for him -- but why the vote?

I didn't fund the thing (as you paraphrased it) to be scummy. I also don't see him rolling out of the gate so hard on it

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #148 on: November 15, 2013, 08:07:17 pm »

Well I guess the EFHW thing's over now, so I'll say in case it wasn't entirely obvious - just about everything I've said about EFHW has either been tongue-in-cheek or an attempt to get a reaction.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #149 on: November 15, 2013, 10:40:04 pm »

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #150 on: November 15, 2013, 10:42:04 pm »

so we have 2 xerxes votes with no explanation.  What is the point then?  You won't get any more people joining you unless you explain.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #151 on: November 16, 2013, 12:59:58 am »

I think the character stuff you guys are thinking about isn't exactly accurate.

He could make any ol' baddie character from Grimm tales or otherwise, a townie.
Just throwing that out there, so that you don't lynch Rumple or something, and it turns out that he had some sort of role as a townie.. I dunno.

I'm trying to be cautious with that, is all :I
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #152 on: November 16, 2013, 02:24:37 am »

so we have 2 xerxes votes with no explanation.  What is the point then?  You won't get any more people joining you unless you explain.

I know nothing, but when Jimm puts down a serious vote before Xerxes even posts, it smells of jimm having some investigative/pm/role based clue on him.
It would be nice if jimm could say more about it.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #153 on: November 16, 2013, 02:30:10 am »

Nice role fish.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #154 on: November 16, 2013, 08:30:12 am »

Hi.

The ash/EFHW thing in the beginning is strange. I can easily see it as a bold scum move by an EFHW/ash team.

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« Reply #155 on: November 16, 2013, 08:43:05 am »

so we have 2 xerxes votes with no explanation.  What is the point then?  You won't get any more people joining you unless you explain.

I would like to hear from Xerxes first.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #156 on: November 16, 2013, 08:43:29 am »

I can easily see it as a bold scum move by an EFHW/ash team.

I find this highly unlikely.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #157 on: November 16, 2013, 08:46:06 am »

I can easily see it as a bold scum move by an EFHW/ash team.

I find this highly unlikely.

Yes, it probably is. But we might want to revisit it once we have a flip of one of them.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #158 on: November 16, 2013, 08:49:42 am »

ash/Volt/other vets, I heard once (in DS9 I believe) that Neighbourhoods tend to have at least one scum in them. Do you believe this is more likely true than not. I'm leaning towards there being a greater than average chance that our QT contains (at least) one scum.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #159 on: November 16, 2013, 08:59:55 am »

I can easily see it as a bold scum move by an EFHW/ash team.

I find this highly unlikely.

Yes, it probably is. But we might want to revisit it once we have a flip of one of them.

What are you saying? That if one of them flips scum then it was probably a bold scum move?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #160 on: November 16, 2013, 09:02:18 am »

so we have 2 xerxes votes with no explanation.  What is the point then?  You won't get any more people joining you unless you explain.

I know nothing, but when Jimm puts down a serious vote before Xerxes even posts, it smells of jimm having some investigative/pm/role based clue on him.
It would be nice if jimm could say more about it.
I also wants to hear what Xerxes have to say.

Not quite, Xerxes had posted. I definitely want to hear from Xerxes before I say more.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #161 on: November 16, 2013, 12:34:43 pm »

ash/Volt/other vets, I heard once (in DS9 I believe) that Neighbourhoods tend to have at least one scum in them. Do you believe this is more likely true than not. I'm leaning towards there being a greater than average chance that our QT contains (at least) one scum.
"Our QT?" Am I just late to the party and you/ash/EFHW have a nieghborhood QT?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #162 on: November 16, 2013, 01:38:19 pm »

I have no idea why I'm targeted. The only things I can think of are that there's a foolable cop-like thing or they're scum. Can there be explanation?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #163 on: November 16, 2013, 01:39:04 pm »

Oh, another possibility is that they're forced to vote for the first person to do something, and not explain it, and that person just happened to be me.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #164 on: November 16, 2013, 04:11:27 pm »

ash/Volt/other vets, I heard once (in DS9 I believe) that Neighbourhoods tend to have at least one scum in them. Do you believe this is more likely true than not. I'm leaning towards there being a greater than average chance that our QT contains (at least) one scum.

This is a closed RMM set-up.  Impossible to figure the likelihood here since we don't know total # of scum in the game or how many neighborhoods or how neighbors were selected.

I think we have scum in our QT based on EFHW being in our QT.

ash/Volt/other vets, I heard once (in DS9 I believe) that Neighbourhoods tend to have at least one scum in them. Do you believe this is more likely true than not. I'm leaning towards there being a greater than average chance that our QT contains (at least) one scum.
"Our QT?" Am I just late to the party and you/ash/EFHW have a nieghborhood QT?

Yes, you are late.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #165 on: November 16, 2013, 04:13:03 pm »

Oh, another possibility is that they're forced to vote for the first person to do something, and not explain it, and that person just happened to be me.

Posting restrictions are Bastard, something with which Arch is familiar and in agreement.  See my first ever played BM game where he and I were lovers with restrictions, and BM14, ongoing and full of hilarious restrictions.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #166 on: November 16, 2013, 05:35:04 pm »

I'm still interested to hear what people think about pooling clues.  What are the risks, are there benefits, etc.  I always lean on the side of wanting more information, but maybe that's not a good idea here?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #167 on: November 16, 2013, 05:39:44 pm »

At first I didn't see any reason not to, but now I'm realizing scum could really throw us off track.  On the other hand, my clue contains info I think would be important to share.  So I'm going to share that part of my clue.  Other people can decide what they want to do with theirs. 

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #168 on: November 16, 2013, 06:29:43 pm »

Here's part of mine, which I think is useful:

"One whose name is only initials, starting with the letter E, is a murderous scum!"
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #169 on: November 16, 2013, 06:33:05 pm »

Vote Count 1.2

EFHW (3) mail-mi, Voltgloss, faust
ashersky (1) Morgrim7
XerxesPraelor (2) Jimmmmm, xeiron
Jimmmmm (2) pingpongsam, chairs
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #170 on: November 16, 2013, 06:33:16 pm »

any starting with "a" and ending in "y"?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #171 on: November 17, 2013, 02:39:49 am »

Oh, another possibility is that they're forced to vote for the first person to do something, and not explain it, and that person just happened to be me.

I have no idea why I'm targeted. The only things I can think of are that there's a foolable cop-like thing or they're scum. Can there be explanation?

Are they the only possibilities you can think of?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #172 on: November 17, 2013, 03:05:02 am »

Hmm. Good question. I still can't think of anything. The one thing that bugs me is that they aren't explaining. Anyway, voting based on that,
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #173 on: November 17, 2013, 03:07:52 am »

Oh, you could be ramping up votes to see if I'm the doctor, but I don't see the point here. Lastly, you could just be trying to make me post, but I really hate that sort of thing and it doesn't make much sense here. So I'm sticking with my vote.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #174 on: November 17, 2013, 03:08:33 am »

Should I share anything in my flavor, everyone?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #175 on: November 17, 2013, 05:12:15 am »

Oh, you could be ramping up votes to see if I'm the doctor, but I don't see the point here. Lastly, you could just be trying to make me post, but I really hate that sort of thing and it doesn't make much sense here. So I'm sticking with my vote.

How do you even know if there's a doctor?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #176 on: November 17, 2013, 05:17:44 am »

Oh, you could be ramping up votes to see if I'm the doctor, but I don't see the point here. Lastly, you could just be trying to make me post, but I really hate that sort of thing and it doesn't make much sense here. So I'm sticking with my vote.

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« Reply #177 on: November 17, 2013, 08:05:58 am »

AFAICT my PM has nothing mysterious about it. It is straight up role description.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #178 on: November 17, 2013, 08:16:43 am »

Oh, you could be ramping up votes to see if I'm the doctor, but I don't see the point here. Lastly, you could just be trying to make me post, but I really hate that sort of thing and it doesn't make much sense here. So I'm sticking with my vote.

How do you even know if there's a doctor?

I don't. I should have said "a power role".
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« Reply #179 on: November 17, 2013, 08:21:11 am »

AFAICT my PM has nothing mysterious about it. It is straight up role description.

Are you saying it contains no flavour?
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« Reply #180 on: November 17, 2013, 08:30:08 am »

AFAICT my PM has nothing mysterious about it. It is straight up role description.

Are you saying it contains no flavour?

No, my role is a Grimm character and as such the role description itself is flavorful. However, there is nothing extraneous to the role description. That is, I would be hard pressed to post any portion of it and not reveal the function if not entirety of the role. That said, I have very good reason to believe Archetype selected this very specific flavor name just for me personally. Maybe my mystery lies in that fact, then.
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« Reply #181 on: November 17, 2013, 08:37:32 am »

Did you get something mysterious in your personal QT?
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« Reply #182 on: November 17, 2013, 08:39:27 am »

Did you get something mysterious in your personal QT?

Yes. It was so damned mysterious I guess I ignored it. I just reread it and it is entirely ponderous. I will cross-examine that with what we have posted already.
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« Reply #183 on: November 17, 2013, 08:45:25 am »

Mine speaks of a king so I am assuming it is in reference to xerxespraelor. "His curse is what started all this terror and turmoil, and it is that which will soon end it all."
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« Reply #184 on: November 17, 2013, 08:47:38 am »

Mine speaks of a king so I am assuming it is in reference to xerxespraelor. "His curse is what started all this terror and turmoil, and it is that which will soon end it all."

Why do you assume it's about him?
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« Reply #185 on: November 17, 2013, 08:52:33 am »

Who else has the name of a king in their username?
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« Reply #186 on: November 17, 2013, 08:57:06 am »

Mine talks about how spelling is super important and says that knowledge is power. Maybe this is saying EFHW is town, but I doubt it actually deals with our names. (wouldn't that be more BM?)
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« Reply #187 on: November 17, 2013, 09:00:25 am »

Yeah I would highly doubt flavour was written around our usernames.
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« Reply #188 on: November 17, 2013, 09:03:16 am »

Yeah I would highly doubt flavour was written around our usernames.

Then what do you make of ashersky's post of "flavor" that clearly implicates EFHW?
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« Reply #189 on: November 17, 2013, 09:15:58 am »

Yeah I would highly doubt flavour was written around our usernames.

Then what do you make of ashersky's post of "flavor" that clearly implicates EFHW?

Sarcasm.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #190 on: November 17, 2013, 09:35:06 am »

I have to agree on both points (usernames and sarcasm).
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #191 on: November 17, 2013, 10:29:08 am »

I'm still interested to hear what people think about pooling clues.  What are the risks, are there benefits, etc.  I always lean on the side of wanting more information, but maybe that's not a good idea here?

There is something in my QT that I think gives us an important piece of information. But I don't think it'd be helpful to disclose it today, I want to wait till D2 with it.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #192 on: November 17, 2013, 11:04:41 am »

If you don't mind, I would like everyone to answer the following question:

Is your flavor character associated to the color red?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #193 on: November 17, 2013, 11:09:49 am »

If you don't mind, I would like everyone to answer the following question:

Is your flavor character associated to the color red?

Or any other colour for that matter.

No for me.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #194 on: November 17, 2013, 11:15:32 am »

Mine talks about how spelling is super important and says that knowledge is power. Maybe this is saying EFHW is town, but I doubt it actually deals with our names. (wouldn't that be more BM?)

If this were in reference to usernames then I'd say it is equally applicable to mail-mi and to Jimmmmm.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #195 on: November 17, 2013, 01:42:25 pm »

Okay, makes sense. And my flavor character is not associated with red.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #196 on: November 17, 2013, 02:18:39 pm »

Okay, makes sense. And my flavor character is not associated with red.

Any other colour?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #197 on: November 17, 2013, 02:34:55 pm »

If you don't mind, I would like everyone to answer the following question:

Is your flavor character associated to the color red?

I understand the question, and yes, my character is.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #198 on: November 17, 2013, 02:40:25 pm »

If you don't mind, I would like everyone to answer the following question:

Is your flavor character associated to the color red?
No.

Okay, makes sense. And my flavor character is not associated with red.

Any other colour?
No.

Does anybody's have to do with an axe?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #199 on: November 17, 2013, 02:40:50 pm »

If you don't mind, I would like everyone to answer the following question:

Is your flavor character associated to the color red?

I understand the question, and yes, my character is.
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The question makes sense to me too.

I guess I should clarify, I'm looking for someone associated with the colour blue.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #200 on: November 17, 2013, 02:42:05 pm »

Does anybody's have to do with an axe?

Yep.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #201 on: November 17, 2013, 02:47:55 pm »

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #203 on: November 17, 2013, 02:50:38 pm »

Does anybody's have to do with an axe?

Yep.
vote: jimmmmm

Wow. Explanation?

Flavor thing. "An axe wants to destroy the entire forest" is basically what it says
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #204 on: November 17, 2013, 02:53:07 pm »

Does anybody's have to do with an axe?

Yep.
vote: jimmmmm

Wow. Explanation?

Flavor thing. "An axe wants to destroy the entire forest" is basically what it says

No no no, the Enchanted Forest is my home! I consider its plants and animals my family.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #205 on: November 17, 2013, 02:58:07 pm »

"An axe threatens to destroy the entire forest." that doesn't sound suspicious to you?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #206 on: November 17, 2013, 03:01:33 pm »

Does anybody's have to do with an axe?

Yep.
vote: jimmmmm

Wow. Explanation?

Flavor thing. "An axe wants to destroy the entire forest" is basically what it says

No no no, the Enchanted Forest is my home! I consider its plants and animals my family.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #207 on: November 17, 2013, 03:02:23 pm »

"An axe threatens to destroy the entire forest." that doesn't sound suspicious to you?

But we are IN the forest.  That means the axe is threatening US!
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #208 on: November 17, 2013, 03:26:07 pm »

"An axe threatens to destroy the entire forest." that doesn't sound suspicious to you?

But we are IN the forest.  That means the axe is threatening US!
Exactly. Jimmmmm has an ax. It's threatening to destroy the entire forest. Vote jimmm.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #209 on: November 17, 2013, 03:47:44 pm »

"An axe threatens to destroy the entire forest." that doesn't sound suspicious to you?

But we are IN the forest.  That means the axe is threatening US!
Exactly. Jimmmmm has an ax. It's threatening to destroy the entire forest. Vote jimmm.

That's what our QT is called, the Enchanted Forest Neighborhood.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #210 on: November 17, 2013, 03:49:46 pm »

"An axe threatens to destroy the entire forest." that doesn't sound suspicious to you?

But we are IN the forest.  That means the axe is threatening US!
Exactly. Jimmmmm has an ax. It's threatening to destroy the entire forest. Vote jimmm.

That's what our QT is called, the Enchanted Forest Neighborhood.

Wait wait wait wait wait wait....


... An ax that resides in the forest threatening to destroy it. It's jimmmmm

The bolded part I didn't tell. I am now.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #211 on: November 17, 2013, 03:55:08 pm »

Interesting. Except...

- Scum will not be immediately outed if they are forced to claim.

Assuming you're telling the truth, I can assure you, the person you're talking about knows full well not to associate themself with an axe. Things are never that easy, nor should they be.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #212 on: November 17, 2013, 03:56:34 pm »

An ax that resides in the forest threatening to destroy it.

Did you copy-paste this?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #213 on: November 17, 2013, 03:57:57 pm »

An ax that resides in the forest threatening to destroy it.

Did you copy-paste this?
no.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #214 on: November 17, 2013, 03:59:11 pm »

An ax that resides in the forest threatening to destroy it.

Did you copy-paste this?
no.

Does the word ax/e always, never or sometimes contain an 'e' in your flavour?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #215 on: November 17, 2013, 04:03:58 pm »

An ax that resides in the forest threatening to destroy it.

Did you copy-paste this?
no.

Does the word ax/e always, never or sometimes contain an 'e' in your flavour?

its only once, and it has an e.

It also says that two others are in the forest. Two other axes, or two other neighbors?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #216 on: November 17, 2013, 04:07:37 pm »

An ax that resides in the forest threatening to destroy it.

Did you copy-paste this?
no.

Does the word ax/e always, never or sometimes contain an 'e' in your flavour?

its only once, and it has an e.

It also says that two others are in the forest. Two other axes, or two other neighbors?

Perhaps two other neighbours, at least one other axe if you're telling the truth.

Think about it. In a game of Mafia, designed around intrigue and deceit, do you really think that you would be told, "someone with an axe is scum", and you ask who has an axe, and that scum immediately outs himself? What's gone wrong here? Has Arch neglected to give me a safe flavour claim, or have I neglected to use it?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #217 on: November 17, 2013, 04:09:34 pm »

An ax that resides in the forest threatening to destroy it.

Did you copy-paste this?
no.

Does the word ax/e always, never or sometimes contain an 'e' in your flavour?

its only once, and it has an e.

It also says that two others are in the forest. Two other axes, or two other neighbors?

Perhaps two other neighbours, at least one other axe if you're telling the truth.

Think about it. In a game of Mafia, designed around intrigue and deceit, do you really think that you would be told, "someone with an axe is scum", and you ask who has an axe, and that scum immediately outs himself? What's gone wrong here? Has Arch neglected to give me a safe flavour claim, or have I neglected to use it?

It says "an axe that lives in the forest wants to destroy it." Good enough for a Day 1 vote from me.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #218 on: November 17, 2013, 04:10:49 pm »

An ax that resides in the forest threatening to destroy it.

Did you copy-paste this?
no.

Does the word ax/e always, never or sometimes contain an 'e' in your flavour?

its only once, and it has an e.

It also says that two others are in the forest. Two other axes, or two other neighbors?

Perhaps two other neighbours, at least one other axe if you're telling the truth.

Think about it. In a game of Mafia, designed around intrigue and deceit, do you really think that you would be told, "someone with an axe is scum", and you ask who has an axe, and that scum immediately outs himself? What's gone wrong here? Has Arch neglected to give me a safe flavour claim, or have I neglected to use it?

It says "an axe that lives in the forest wants to destroy it." Good enough for a Day 1 vote from me.

I disagree. Do you think you've caught scum, or don't you?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #219 on: November 17, 2013, 04:12:09 pm »

Mail-mi.
Can you please copy paste the whole QT flavour immediately?!
Now that you add new parts to your flavour whenever new information shows up I cannot decide if you are faking it.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #220 on: November 17, 2013, 04:12:23 pm »

An ax that resides in the forest threatening to destroy it.

Did you copy-paste this?
no.

Does the word ax/e always, never or sometimes contain an 'e' in your flavour?

its only once, and it has an e.

It also says that two others are in the forest. Two other axes, or two other neighbors?

Perhaps two other neighbours, at least one other axe if you're telling the truth.

Think about it. In a game of Mafia, designed around intrigue and deceit, do you really think that you would be told, "someone with an axe is scum", and you ask who has an axe, and that scum immediately outs himself? What's gone wrong here? Has Arch neglected to give me a safe flavour claim, or have I neglected to use it?

It says "an axe that lives in the forest wants to destroy it." Good enough for a Day 1 vote from me.

I disagree. Do you think you've caught scum, or don't you?

I think its evidence towards you being scum if there is more. Otherwise, no, but if everyone is at 50% and you're at 53%, I'm gonna vote you early day 1
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #221 on: November 17, 2013, 04:13:17 pm »

Mail-mi.
Can you please copy paste the whole QT flavour immediately?!
Now that you add new parts to your flavour whenever new information shows up I cannot decide if you are faking it.
Are we allowed to do that?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (/out if you need to)
« Reply #222 on: November 17, 2013, 04:14:39 pm »

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #223 on: November 17, 2013, 04:16:11 pm »

EFHW directly asked in our QT if we could copy-paste the flavour clues, and Arch said we could.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #224 on: November 17, 2013, 04:16:50 pm »

I think its evidence towards you being scum if there is more. Otherwise, no, but if everyone is at 50% and you're at 53%, I'm gonna vote you early day 1

Well good then, we can move on from it and start actually trying to find scum.
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« Reply #225 on: November 17, 2013, 04:17:20 pm »

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Yes, you can copy pasye from QT, but not from pm.
Then  I will copy/paste the relevent part:

The view from the edge of the forest is one to behold. Looking deep into it, you can see the thicket of massive trees and the few berry bushes decorating the land. An axe resides in the forest and threatens to destroy the colossal foliage. Two others are present, as well. Though their story isn’t discussed until later.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #226 on: November 17, 2013, 04:20:04 pm »

I have reason to believe that a much bigger threat to the Forest is in the form of fire.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #227 on: November 17, 2013, 04:37:23 pm »

I think Jimm has something to answer for.

He seems to know something about Xerxes
He has a QT.
He is flavor related to an Axe.
He seems to know something about someone related to the color blue.
He seems to know something related to fire.

This I quite much for a single person.

With mail-mi saying an axe in the forest is possibly scum, it is hard to let that pass.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #228 on: November 17, 2013, 04:38:50 pm »

I think Jimm has something to answer for.

What do you mean by this? That you think I'm scum? That you want me to start full-claiming?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #229 on: November 17, 2013, 04:42:45 pm »

I think Jimm has something to answer for.

What do you mean by this? That you think I'm scum? That you want me to start full-claiming?

It means that I am sucpisious of you being scum.

I am not sure if you should fullclaim yet. Probably not, but I want you to comment on it.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #230 on: November 17, 2013, 04:43:28 pm »

Perhaps two other neighbours, at least one other axe if you're telling the truth.

Think about it. In a game of Mafia, designed around intrigue and deceit, do you really think that you would be told, "someone with an axe is scum", and you ask who has an axe, and that scum immediately outs himself? What's gone wrong here? Has Arch neglected to give me a safe flavour claim, or have I neglected to use it?
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HOW DO YOU KNOW SCUM HAVE FAKE FLAVOR CLAIMS?  SCUMMMMMMSLIIIIIIIIPPPPPPPP.  I didn't assume fake flavor claims whatsoever, just that flavor wouldn't necessarily give away alignment.  Boom, caught.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (/out if you need to)
« Reply #231 on: November 17, 2013, 04:46:06 pm »

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The view from the edge of the forest is one to behold. Looking deep into it, you can see the thicket of massive trees and the few berry bushes decorating the land. An axe resides in the forest and threatens to destroy the colossal foliage. Two others are present, as well. Though their story isn’t discussed until later.

Our neighborhood QT is called "Enchanted Forest Neighborhood."  This would seem to implicate Jimmmmm pretty badly.

Can everyone else claim their QT names?  If there are other forests, it would be good to know.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #232 on: November 17, 2013, 04:52:19 pm »

Perhaps two other neighbours, at least one other axe if you're telling the truth.

Think about it. In a game of Mafia, designed around intrigue and deceit, do you really think that you would be told, "someone with an axe is scum", and you ask who has an axe, and that scum immediately outs himself? What's gone wrong here? Has Arch neglected to give me a safe flavour claim, or have I neglected to use it?
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Serious? Arch clearly said that if forced to claim, scum wouldn't be outed. If the indication given to mail-mi was that someone with an Axe was scum, and if that scum was me, then we have mod-confirmation that I would be given some sort of indication that I shouldn't claim to have an axe ie a fake flavour claim. Obviously the alternative is that flavour simply doesn't indicate alignment, but if mail-mi was correctly told that someone who is scum has an axe, then that's clearly false.
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« Reply #233 on: November 17, 2013, 04:52:43 pm »

Also, I'm on like L-2 or something.
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« Reply #234 on: November 17, 2013, 04:54:16 pm »



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The view from the edge of the forest is one to behold. Looking deep into it, you can see the thicket of massive trees and the few berry bushes decorating the land. An axe resides in the forest and threatens to destroy the colossal foliage. Two others are present, as well. Though their story isn’t discussed until later.

Our neighborhood QT is called "Enchanted Forest Neighborhood."  This would seem to implicate Jimmmmm pretty badly.

Are you choosing to ignore this?

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #235 on: November 17, 2013, 04:56:01 pm »

I think Jimm has something to answer for.

He seems to know something about Xerxes
He has a QT.
He is flavor related to an Axe.
He seems to know something about someone related to the color blue.
He seems to know something related to fire.

This I quite much for a single person.

With mail-mi saying an axe in the forest is possibly scum, it is hard to let that pass.

I actually have two QTs (the Enchanted Forest one and my own personal one), both of which contain flavour and, combined with my PM, plenty more that I could mention but haven't.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #236 on: November 17, 2013, 05:12:13 pm »

We should keep in mind there may also be a thief, and Jimmmmm's axe could be stolen and used for evil.  I think we should avoid mentioning any objects in our flavor as much as possible.  mail-mi asking about axes could mean that he  wants the axe for himself as part of his role.
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« Reply #237 on: November 17, 2013, 05:12:56 pm »

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #238 on: November 17, 2013, 05:16:56 pm »

We should keep in mind there may also be a thief, and Jimmmmm's axe could be stolen and used for evil.  I think we should avoid mentioning any objects in our flavor as much as possible.  mail-mi asking about axes could mean that he  wants the axe for himself as part of his role.

Hmm. For the record, I do not believe my axe can be stolen.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #239 on: November 17, 2013, 05:41:21 pm »

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #240 on: November 17, 2013, 05:59:22 pm »

Upon rereading, this episode is starting to make sense from a town/town perspective.
Mail-mi says the axe will destroy "the colossal foliage". He naturally took this to mean the enchanted forest, but I think maybe we are talking about something else.
My QT also mentiones foliage. And with a little imagination, I think it is the type that makes sense for a goodguy to destroy while hunting the person assosiated with the color blue.
Wording matters!

Actually I am getting quite a strong townread on jimm.
I also have a townread on mail-mi and faust.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #241 on: November 17, 2013, 06:04:08 pm »

Vote: Ashersky
For the way he jumped on the jimm wagon.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #242 on: November 17, 2013, 06:05:49 pm »

I'm getting a town read on Jimmmmm, I've left my vote there thinking if he were scum it would go no where. This developing wagon reeks of scum. I think chairs just sheeped me and didn't catch the sarcasm in his post same as I. mail-mi and ashersky's rationale for joining are the scummiest. xerxes' comes off more as OMGUS. I don't have strong scum reads on any one on this wagon but I feel certain scum is on it and it is not me and likely not chairs and I'll give xerxes a neutral on this one.  mail-mi seems too enthusiastic to twist his flavor against Jimmmmm. ashersky seems like he may be the axe thief.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #243 on: November 17, 2013, 06:06:28 pm »

Hey, that looks better!
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #244 on: November 17, 2013, 06:20:01 pm »

Why not?

Vote: ashersky for getting over-excited over a supposed scumslip and thinking the setup is designed for us to catch scum super-easily when a vet should know better.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #245 on: November 17, 2013, 06:25:14 pm »

My QT also mentiones foliage. And with a little imagination, I think it is the type that makes sense for a goodguy to destroy while hunting the person assosiated with the color blue.

For the record, I'm not certain but I believe this person to be good.
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« Reply #246 on: November 17, 2013, 08:22:13 pm »

I was on the ashersky wagon before it was cool.
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« Reply #247 on: November 17, 2013, 08:26:50 pm »

The quickness of the ashersky wagon makes me feel uneasy about it but I feel good about everyone on it.
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« Reply #248 on: November 17, 2013, 08:29:38 pm »

Vote Count 1.4

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #249 on: November 17, 2013, 08:30:40 pm »

vote: ashersky as well, because fuck that guy.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #250 on: November 17, 2013, 08:47:18 pm »

Are you choosing to ignore this?

- Scum will not be immediately outed if they are forced to claim.

I am not.  I don't see how this has ANYTHING to do with what you are accused of, man.

You were not forced to claim.
You were NOT forced to claim.
You were not asked to claim.

How does this relate?  You admitted to having an AXE.  What good guy has an AXE?  (Don't say Paul Bunyan).  That has nothing to do with being forced to claim.  You could have just not said anything.

I mean, you may be town, and so you thought it was best to say you have an axe.  Or you may be scum who thought it'd seem better to admit you it so you could look like you were town.  It's like if there's a Big Bad Wolf in the game, and he/she decided to just claim to be the Big Bad Wolf and say that flavor name is town, since why the hell would you claim to be the Big Bad Wolf in the first place, right?

So you deciding to just straight up claim something scummy seems like a great move by master scum, which we all know you to be.

As for your mod quote there, I think it just means that whatever is claimed won't give away alignment.  It's not like someone going to go "derpity-derp I'm a ninja godfather Big Bad Wolf derp" or something.

I have no reason to believe Archetype had to provide fake claims to the players.  As a mod, I only did it on request, and only in games where it might matter.  I think you mentioned what you mentioned because it is in your scum PM.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #251 on: November 17, 2013, 08:48:08 pm »

I was on the ashersky wagon before it was cool.

This is correct, and you get bonus points.

Jimmmmm is OMGUSing, the others are just piling on an easy (as usual) mislynch.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #252 on: November 17, 2013, 08:48:46 pm »

My QT also mentiones foliage. And with a little imagination, I think it is the type that makes sense for a goodguy to destroy while hunting the person assosiated with the color blue.

For the record, I'm not certain but I believe this person to be good.

Babe, the Blue Ox?  Are you seriously going with Paul Bunyan?
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« Reply #253 on: November 17, 2013, 08:50:55 pm »

To be fair I was typing out my joining of ashersky wagon while xeiron was joining and I just ignored PPEing it.
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« Reply #254 on: November 17, 2013, 08:52:24 pm »

The self-vote is huge WIFOM. You were so invited to do it in RMM9 and refused even though it would have been a great ploy. I'm inclined to interpret it as a Town indicator but I am suspicious that you've decided to cash in on such a long cultivated ruse as well.
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« Reply #255 on: November 17, 2013, 08:53:17 pm »

I've got no meta on Jimmmmm or mail-mi. I am inclined to sheep ash on this one.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #256 on: November 17, 2013, 08:54:59 pm »

I have reason to believe that a much bigger threat to the Forest is in the form of fire.

If this is in reference to the clue in our QT, I disagree.
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« Reply #257 on: November 17, 2013, 08:56:30 pm »

I'm gonna read the ash self-vote as a town flag. I'm not ready to rejoin a Jimmmmm wagon so in light of my previous reasons to leave the Jimmmm wagon I am Vote: mail-mi.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #258 on: November 17, 2013, 08:59:21 pm »

Does anybody's have to do with an axe?

Yep.
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Wow. Explanation?

Flavor thing. "An axe wants to destroy the entire forest" is basically what it says

No no no, the Enchanted Forest is my home! I consider its plants and animals my family.

Is this a joke or a reference?  I can't think of a fairy tale character that considers plants/animals family off the top of my head.  Definitely NOT Paul Bunyan.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #259 on: November 17, 2013, 10:18:54 pm »

Unvote
I really don't think that getting all excited over a scumslip should necessarily mean that Ashes is scum. I see it as being hungry for something to build a wagon off of, which I dont think is all that bad.

Vote: ashersky for getting over-excited over a supposed scumslip and thinking the setup is designed for us to catch scum super-easily when a vet should know better.
Aren't you kind of doing what you are accusing Ashes of doing? This is a really terrible reason to vote for someone, so, ya know, you just kinda got a lot scummier IMO. One more thing to provoke thought, could he be possibly trying to get a quick lynch cause he's scum? Just saying.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #260 on: November 17, 2013, 10:20:15 pm »


How does this relate?  You admitted to having an AXE.  What good guy has an AXE? 

The woodsman in Little Red Riding Hood.
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« Reply #261 on: November 17, 2013, 10:23:39 pm »


How does this relate?  You admitted to having an AXE.  What good guy has an AXE? 

The woodsman in Little Red Riding Hood.
And Gimli. And Johanna Mason. And Hagrid. And all those people who chopped wood so that they could survive hundreds of years ago and give you a home...
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« Reply #262 on: November 17, 2013, 10:34:06 pm »


How does this relate?  You admitted to having an AXE.  What good guy has an AXE? 

The woodsman in Little Red Riding Hood.
And Gimli. And Johanna Mason. And Hagrid. And all those people who chopped wood so that they could survive hundreds of years ago and give you a home...

Gimli, not applicable.  LOTR is epic fantasy, not fairy tale.
Hagrid, not applicable.  Hogwarts is real, not a fairy tale.
Who is Johanna Mason?
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« Reply #263 on: November 17, 2013, 10:40:23 pm »


How does this relate?  You admitted to having an AXE.  What good guy has an AXE? 

The woodsman in Little Red Riding Hood.
And Gimli. And Johanna Mason. And Hagrid. And all those people who chopped wood so that they could survive hundreds of years ago and give you a home...

Gimli, not applicable.  LOTR is epic fantasy, not fairy tale.
Hagrid, not applicable.  Hogwarts is real, not a fairy tale.
Who is Johanna Mason?

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #264 on: November 17, 2013, 10:41:25 pm »

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I really don't think that getting all excited over a scumslip should necessarily mean that Ashes is scum. I see it as being hungry for something to build a wagon off of, which I dont think is all that bad.

Vote: ashersky for getting over-excited over a supposed scumslip and thinking the setup is designed for us to catch scum super-easily when a vet should know better.
Aren't you kind of doing what you are accusing Ashes of doing? This is a really terrible reason to vote for someone, so, ya know, you just kinda got a lot scummier IMO. One more thing to provoke thought, could he be possibly trying to get a quick lynch cause he's scum? Just saying.

vote: morgrim being too serious. This is only part RVS.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #265 on: November 17, 2013, 10:42:33 pm »

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #266 on: November 17, 2013, 10:43:42 pm »

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I really don't think that getting all excited over a scumslip should necessarily mean that Ashes is scum. I see it as being hungry for something to build a wagon off of, which I dont think is all that bad.

Vote: ashersky for getting over-excited over a supposed scumslip and thinking the setup is designed for us to catch scum super-easily when a vet should know better.
Aren't you kind of doing what you are accusing Ashes of doing? This is a really terrible reason to vote for someone, so, ya know, you just kinda got a lot scummier IMO. One more thing to provoke thought, could he be possibly trying to get a quick lynch cause he's scum? Just saying.

vote: morgrim being too serious. This is only part RVS.
??? We should never resort to RVS.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #267 on: November 17, 2013, 10:43:52 pm »

Who is Johanna Mason?
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I read that trilogy and didn't remember her at all.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #268 on: November 17, 2013, 10:44:11 pm »

??? We should never resort to RVS.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #269 on: November 17, 2013, 10:44:31 pm »

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I really don't think that getting all excited over a scumslip should necessarily mean that Ashes is scum. I see it as being hungry for something to build a wagon off of, which I dont think is all that bad.

Vote: ashersky for getting over-excited over a supposed scumslip and thinking the setup is designed for us to catch scum super-easily when a vet should know better.
Aren't you kind of doing what you are accusing Ashes of doing? This is a really terrible reason to vote for someone, so, ya know, you just kinda got a lot scummier IMO. One more thing to provoke thought, could he be possibly trying to get a quick lynch cause he's scum? Just saying.

vote: morgrim being too serious. This is only part RVS.
??? We should never resort to RVS.

But when you're too serious, you're scum. At least, from what I've read.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #271 on: November 17, 2013, 10:45:54 pm »

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I really don't think that getting all excited over a scumslip should necessarily mean that Ashes is scum. I see it as being hungry for something to build a wagon off of, which I dont think is all that bad.

Vote: ashersky for getting over-excited over a supposed scumslip and thinking the setup is designed for us to catch scum super-easily when a vet should know better.
Aren't you kind of doing what you are accusing Ashes of doing? This is a really terrible reason to vote for someone, so, ya know, you just kinda got a lot scummier IMO. One more thing to provoke thought, could he be possibly trying to get a quick lynch cause he's scum? Just saying.

vote: morgrim being too serious. This is only part RVS.
??? We should never resort to RVS.

But when you're too serious, you're scum. At least, from what I've read.
Is that what they say now? Well, an apple a day keeps the doctor away. Vote: mail- mi
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #272 on: November 17, 2013, 10:47:08 pm »

??? We should never resort to RVS.

Who are you, and what have you done with Morgrim?
In all reality, this is a good question.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #273 on: November 18, 2013, 02:15:07 am »

Well, isn't that interesting.

I think mail-mi's text passage is a quite strong sign that Jimmmmm may be scum. Remember what it says? "There are two others." Which would be his scum partners.

Vote: Jimmmmm

Also, could everyone who hasn't already done so answer my question (or at least state that they're not willing to)?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #274 on: November 18, 2013, 03:04:30 am »

If you don't mind, I would like everyone to answer the following question:

Is your flavor character associated to the color red?

This one?  Why do you ask?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #275 on: November 18, 2013, 03:17:54 am »

Are you choosing to ignore this?

- Scum will not be immediately outed if they are forced to claim.

I am not.  I don't see how this has ANYTHING to do with what you are accused of, man.

You were not forced to claim.
You were NOT forced to claim.
You were not asked to claim.

How does this relate?  You admitted to having an AXE.  What good guy has an AXE?  (Don't say Paul Bunyan).  That has nothing to do with being forced to claim.  You could have just not said anything.

Oh semantics. Yes I was not actually forced to claim. But I did. And I'm going to go ahead and say that I am The Woodcutter.

If you think I'm scum, then you must feel really good about the chances of catching whatever other scum there are. Let's just claim all flavour, and somehow each scum will be outed by another person's flavour because, hey, Mafia is a boring old game in which the mod tells people how to catch scum and all we have to do is compare notes.

If you really truly believe that Arch told mail-mi that scum has an axe, and I am that scum and did not know better than to out myself, then I expect much better from you, especially as someone who is good at designing games of Mafia.

Seriously, if you were in the position you think I'm in, you would be quitting right about now.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #276 on: November 18, 2013, 03:20:16 am »

I'm gonna read the ash self-vote as a town flag. I'm not ready to rejoin a Jimmmmm wagon so in light of my previous reasons to leave the Jimmmm wagon I am Vote: mail-mi.

The self-vote is an ash flag. He is going to claim that he only self-votes as Town, but he certainly knows his own meta well enough to do it as scum. In fact this time around it looked a little forced.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #277 on: November 18, 2013, 03:21:17 am »

Does anybody's have to do with an axe?

Yep.
vote: jimmmmm

Wow. Explanation?

Flavor thing. "An axe wants to destroy the entire forest" is basically what it says

No no no, the Enchanted Forest is my home! I consider its plants and animals my family.

Is this a joke or a reference?  I can't think of a fairy tale character that considers plants/animals family off the top of my head.  Definitely NOT Paul Bunyan.

This is a description of what I was told in my PM.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #278 on: November 18, 2013, 03:39:51 am »

Are you choosing to ignore this?

- Scum will not be immediately outed if they are forced to claim.

I am not.  I don't see how this has ANYTHING to do with what you are accused of, man.

You were not forced to claim.
You were NOT forced to claim.
You were not asked to claim.

How does this relate?  You admitted to having an AXE.  What good guy has an AXE?  (Don't say Paul Bunyan).  That has nothing to do with being forced to claim.  You could have just not said anything.

Oh semantics. Yes I was not actually forced to claim. But I did. And I'm going to go ahead and say that I am The Woodcutter.

If you think I'm scum, then you must feel really good about the chances of catching whatever other scum there are. Let's just claim all flavour, and somehow each scum will be outed by another person's flavour because, hey, Mafia is a boring old game in which the mod tells people how to catch scum and all we have to do is compare notes.

If you really truly believe that Arch told mail-mi that scum has an axe, and I am that scum and did not know better than to out myself, then I expect much better from you, especially as someone who is good at designing games of Mafia.

Seriously, if you were in the position you think I'm in, you would be quitting right about now.

I disagree with your assessment.  You had zero reason to mention the axe at all, so mail-mi knowing an axe-wielder is scum had no real power without a claim.  You could have lied or kept quiet.  Another likely scenario is someone else had an axe.  Or there are multiple axes.  Or there is a flavor cop.

So I disagree with you that the scenario I laid out would make archetype a bad mod or game designer.  I think you just spoke too soon.

As for "the woodcutter," please enlighten us to whatever fairy tale that comes from.
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« Reply #279 on: November 18, 2013, 03:43:12 am »

I don't normally do these, but I have a feeling I'm right out on top, so I'll shamelessly point that out.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #280 on: November 18, 2013, 03:45:35 am »

I disagree with your assessment.  You had zero reason to mention the axe at all, so mail-mi knowing an axe-wielder is scum had no real power without a claim.

Oh, so scum won't be immediately outed if forced to claim, but they will instead gladly out themselves on Day 1 with no pressure?

If I was "forced" to claim, I would have nothing to say but Woodcutter, and we'd have the exact same discussion.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #281 on: November 18, 2013, 03:47:24 am »

As for "the woodcutter," please enlighten us to whatever fairy tale that comes from.

Well I'm assuming it's the one from Little Red Riding Hood, but my PM doesn't say one way or another.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #282 on: November 18, 2013, 03:47:52 am »

I disagree with your assessment.  You had zero reason to mention the axe at all, so mail-mi knowing an axe-wielder is scum had no real power without a claim.

Oh, so scum won't be immediately outed if forced to claim, but they will instead gladly out themselves on Day 1 with no pressure?

If I was "forced" to claim, I would have nothing to say but Woodcutter, and we'd have the exact same discussion.

I addressed this.  I said outing yourself now could mean you are town, or you did it to seem like town, because scum has no reason to out themselves.  Basically, I'm accusing you of "hiding in plain sight."
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #283 on: November 18, 2013, 03:49:22 am »

As for "the woodcutter," please enlighten us to whatever fairy tale that comes from.

Well I'm assuming it's the one from Little Red Riding Hood, but my PM doesn't say one way or another.

I don't know of a woodcutter in that tale.  There's a girl, a wolf, a grandma...then the girl outsmarts the wolf and fills it's belly full of rocks.  No woodcutter.
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« Reply #284 on: November 18, 2013, 03:50:30 am »

I don't normally do these, but I have a feeling I'm right out on top, so I'll shamelessly point that out.

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Jimmmmm: 50
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Man, Voltgloss and down need to get active.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #285 on: November 18, 2013, 03:52:35 am »

Jimmmmm, you stated earlier that you believe "fire" to be the danger to the forest.  Can you explain?

Woodcutter and Fire don't seem to match up.
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« Reply #286 on: November 18, 2013, 04:10:58 am »

Jimmmmm, you stated earlier that you believe "fire" to be the danger to the forest.  Can you explain?

It's a danger. It concerns me because I don't want my Forest to be set on fire.
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« Reply #287 on: November 18, 2013, 04:11:55 am »

Jimmmmm, you stated earlier that you believe "fire" to be the danger to the forest.  Can you explain?

It's a danger. It concerns me because I don't want my Forest to be set on fire.

Do you think our neighborhood is "your" forest?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #288 on: November 18, 2013, 04:23:41 am »

If you don't mind, I would like everyone to answer the following question:

Is your flavor character associated to the color red?

This one?  Why do you ask?

It might be helpful to find scum/clear town players, is all I can say.
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« Reply #289 on: November 18, 2013, 04:41:24 am »

Jimmmmm, you stated earlier that you believe "fire" to be the danger to the forest.  Can you explain?

It's a danger. It concerns me because I don't want my Forest to be set on fire.

Do you think our neighborhood is "your" forest?

I know that the Enchanted Forest is my home.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (/out if you need to)
« Reply #290 on: November 18, 2013, 04:47:58 am »

The view from the edge of the forest is one to behold. Looking deep into it, you can see the thicket of massive trees and the few berry bushes decorating the land. An axe resides in the forest and threatens to destroy the colossal foliage. Two others are present, as well. Though their story isn’t discussed until later.

What does this really say?

A) There is a forest. We know the neighborhood QT is named "Enchanted Forest."
B) Someone with an axe lives in the forest, along with two others. That would be ash/EFHW/Jimmmmm, the neighbors.
C) It is hard to see in the forest, but the axe (=Jimmmmm) could destroy the "foliage". More than Jimmmmm being scum, this points to Jimmmmm having some investigative power for me.

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« Reply #291 on: November 18, 2013, 04:50:42 am »

In fact, vote: ashersky. Maybe he doesn't want the covering foliage of the forest destroyed and this is why he pushes Jimmmmm so hard.
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« Reply #292 on: November 18, 2013, 04:51:20 am »

In fact, vote: ashersky. Maybe he doesn't want the covering foliage of the forest destroyed and this is why he pushes Jimmmmm so hard.

Why is the foliage bad?
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« Reply #293 on: November 18, 2013, 04:51:55 am »

Townpoints for mail-mi though for trying to use this for scumhunting, even if I think now that it was misled.
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« Reply #294 on: November 18, 2013, 04:53:47 am »

In fact, vote: ashersky. Maybe he doesn't want the covering foliage of the forest destroyed and this is why he pushes Jimmmmm so hard.

Why is the foliage bad?

I think the foliage stands for an obstructed view, and that if it is cleared, we might see who the players living in the forest really are (i.e. town or scum). And that ashersky doesn't want that to happen.
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« Reply #295 on: November 18, 2013, 04:56:40 am »

Townpoints for mail-mi though for trying to use this for scumhunting, even if I think now that it was misled.

I agree that mail-mi's part in this is more likely scumhunting than trickery.
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« Reply #296 on: November 18, 2013, 04:57:05 am »

In fact, vote: ashersky. Maybe he doesn't want the covering foliage of the forest destroyed and this is why he pushes Jimmmmm so hard.

Why is the foliage bad?

I think the foliage stands for an obstructed view, and that if it is cleared, we might see who the players living in the forest really are (i.e. town or scum). And that ashersky doesn't want that to happen.

Your 180 is hilarious.

Your interpretation is...a stretch?  If Jimmmmm is a cop, you just did a heck of a lot of out him.  That was anti-town at best, scummy at worst.
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« Reply #297 on: November 18, 2013, 04:57:21 am »

Townpoints for mail-mi though for trying to use this for scumhunting, even if I think now that it was misled.

I agree that mail-mi's part in this is more likely scumhunting than trickery.

100% agree as well.
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« Reply #298 on: November 18, 2013, 04:59:10 am »

In fact, vote: ashersky. Maybe he doesn't want the covering foliage of the forest destroyed and this is why he pushes Jimmmmm so hard.

Why is the foliage bad?

I think the foliage stands for an obstructed view, and that if it is cleared, we might see who the players living in the forest really are (i.e. town or scum). And that ashersky doesn't want that to happen.

Your 180 is hilarious.

Your interpretation is...a stretch?  If Jimmmmm is a cop, you just did a heck of a lot of out him.  That was anti-town at best, scummy at worst.

Hmm, this is the most sensible thing you've said in a while.
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« Reply #299 on: November 18, 2013, 04:59:52 am »

Separately, or possibly perpedicular to this:

Does anyone care about Tuesday?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #300 on: November 18, 2013, 05:00:46 am »

Hmm, this is the most sensible thing you've said in a while.

Sorry, happens on occasion.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #301 on: November 18, 2013, 05:00:55 am »

In fact, vote: ashersky. Maybe he doesn't want the covering foliage of the forest destroyed and this is why he pushes Jimmmmm so hard.

Why is the foliage bad?

I think the foliage stands for an obstructed view, and that if it is cleared, we might see who the players living in the forest really are (i.e. town or scum). And that ashersky doesn't want that to happen.

Your 180 is hilarious.

Your interpretation is...a stretch?  If Jimmmmm is a cop, you just did a heck of a lot of out him.  That was anti-town at best, scummy at worst.

He is better outed than lynched today, which is what I could easily see happening if this wasn't pointed out. Also, there are more investigative roles than just cop, some of which are weaker, and we are all PRs, so outing one PR isn't that bad.
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« Reply #302 on: November 18, 2013, 05:00:59 am »

Separately, or possibly perpedicular to this:

Does anyone care about Tuesday?

Are you talking about flavour? If so, it means nothing to me.
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« Reply #303 on: November 18, 2013, 05:03:07 am »

Separately, or possibly perpedicular to this:

Does anyone care about Tuesday?

Are you talking about flavour? If so, it means nothing to me.

Yeah, flavor, not real Tuesdays.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #304 on: November 18, 2013, 05:04:17 am »

For the record, I believe that if mail-mi is telling the truth (which seems more likely true than not) then the person in question is in fact scum, but not me. This person has an axe associated with their flavour (are there any possibilities for this) but already knew full well not to say anything about it. The main candidates for this person are ash and EFHW.  I do not believe that destroying the foliage is metaphorical or a good thing to do.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #305 on: November 18, 2013, 05:04:44 am »

Also, this:

My QT also mentiones foliage.

supports my point that the foliage may have some meaning.
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« Reply #306 on: November 18, 2013, 05:05:14 am »

Also, this:

My QT also mentiones foliage.

supports my point that the foliage may have some meaning.

I think it means foliage.
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« Reply #307 on: November 18, 2013, 05:06:50 am »

For the record, I believe that if mail-mi is telling the truth (which seems more likely true than not) then the person in question is in fact scum, but not me. This person has an axe associated with their flavour (are there any possibilities for this) but already knew full well not to say anything about it. The main candidates for this person are ash and EFHW.  I do not believe that destroying the foliage is metaphorical or a good thing to do.

So, which other fairy tale characters have an axe? I don't think mail-mi would get a misleading clue like this where the description fits for two players.
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« Reply #308 on: November 18, 2013, 05:07:17 am »

For the record, I believe that if mail-mi is telling the truth (which seems more likely true than not) then the person in question is in fact scum, but not me. This person has an axe associated with their flavour (are there any possibilities for this) but already knew full well not to say anything about it. The main candidates for this person are ash and EFHW.  I do not believe that destroying the foliage is metaphorical or a good thing to do.

So, which other fairy tale characters have an axe? I don't think mail-mi would get a misleading clue like this where the description fits for two players.

Why not?
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« Reply #309 on: November 18, 2013, 05:08:26 am »

He is better outed than lynched today, which is what I could easily see happening if this wasn't pointed out. Also, there are more investigative roles than just cop, some of which are weaker, and we are all PRs, so outing one PR isn't that bad.

Well, true, but that's up to him (if he's a cop).  He claims "dudes, I'm a cop, don't lynch me" when it seems like he's really in danger.  That's the way it works.  You don't get to go "but dudes, he might be the cop due to these things I'm picking up on and want to make sure everyone, including scum, hears" and "save him" for towncred.

Whatever his role, which he hasn't claimed one way or the other, if he's truly town, is up to him to reveal.

If you think you were saving him from being lynched, you are overreacting.  We ran a wagon up on Jimmmmm, people made statements, took sides, etc.  A ran is running on me, currently.  Same deal.  This is the game.  No one is getting lynched right now.  If a quick lynch occurred, well, scum was stupid.

You saw an opportunity to seem towny by coming to the aid of an important PR, so you painted Jimmmmm like an important PR and defended him.  All AFTER you found my points compelling enough to vote for him.

Classic scum behavior, man.

Good enough for a vote: faust at this juncture.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #310 on: November 18, 2013, 05:10:13 am »

For the record, I believe that if mail-mi is telling the truth (which seems more likely true than not) then the person in question is in fact scum, but not me. This person has an axe associated with their flavour (are there any possibilities for this) but already knew full well not to say anything about it. The main candidates for this person are ash and EFHW.  I do not believe that destroying the foliage is metaphorical or a good thing to do.

So, which other fairy tale characters have an axe? I don't think mail-mi would get a misleading clue like this where the description fits for two players.

Why not?

Morgrim mentioned some folks I felt didn't really make sense for the game, but at least have axes.

I think faust is wrong in calling the clue "misleading."  I do not think that Arch would use misleading clues here, especially after the controversy that came from the "normal" M31 and then helping me with BM14.  He knows what's BM and what's not, and misleading is (we've all NOW agreed) is BMish.

It's possible we're all just reading way too much into the clues.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #311 on: November 18, 2013, 05:11:42 am »

Separately, or possibly perpedicular to this:

Does anyone care about Tuesday?

Tuesdays have no special meaning for me.
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« Reply #312 on: November 18, 2013, 05:11:47 am »

Jimmmm, do you think the clue provided to mail-mi would so easily point to one of Jimmmmm, EFHW, or me being scum?  I ask you specifically because you used the same argument against my case against you (in that it was too straightforwardly pointing at you).
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« Reply #313 on: November 18, 2013, 05:12:44 am »

Can we all weigh in on what we think scum is in this game?

I have reason to believe there are "mafia" in the game.  Anyone else back me up here?
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« Reply #314 on: November 18, 2013, 05:17:30 am »

Jimmmm, do you think the clue provided to mail-mi would so easily point to one of Jimmmmm, EFHW, or me being scum?  I ask you specifically because you used the same argument against my case against you (in that it was too straightforwardly pointing at you).

That's a good point. I think it much more likely to implicate one of three than just one.

I don't know, something strange is going on. I agree that mail-mi's clue on face value points me being scum, but that's just not how it works. We're not playing some second-rate kids' game where all you have to do is put all your information together. I have to assume that if mail-mi's telling the truth, then his clue means something and is true. The only conclusion for me then is that it's talking about someone else, someone who knows not to claim having an axe. And, you know, it says "in the Forest", so my main suspects for this other person with an Axe are you and EFHW, since I know you are both also in the Forest. It could definitely be talking about someone else.
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« Reply #315 on: November 18, 2013, 05:18:48 am »

He is better outed than lynched today, which is what I could easily see happening if this wasn't pointed out. Also, there are more investigative roles than just cop, some of which are weaker, and we are all PRs, so outing one PR isn't that bad.

Well, true, but that's up to him (if he's a cop).  He claims "dudes, I'm a cop, don't lynch me" when it seems like he's really in danger.  That's the way it works.  You don't get to go "but dudes, he might be the cop due to these things I'm picking up on and want to make sure everyone, including scum, hears" and "save him" for towncred.

Whatever his role, which he hasn't claimed one way or the other, if he's truly town, is up to him to reveal.

If you think you were saving him from being lynched, you are overreacting.  We ran a wagon up on Jimmmmm, people made statements, took sides, etc.  A ran is running on me, currently.  Same deal.  This is the game.  No one is getting lynched right now.  If a quick lynch occurred, well, scum was stupid.

You saw an opportunity to seem towny by coming to the aid of an important PR, so you painted Jimmmmm like an important PR and defended him.  All AFTER you found my points compelling enough to vote for him.

Classic scum behavior, man.

Good enough for a vote: faust at this juncture.

By the way, I'm not necessarily saying he's a Cop, I'm saying you might think he is an investigative role.

I agree that it was a little careless of me to not read mail-mi's clue thoroughly and just join the wagon based on "oh, he has an axe! He must be scum!". Sorry about that.
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« Reply #316 on: November 18, 2013, 05:19:22 am »

Can we all weigh in on what we think scum is in this game?

I have reason to believe there are "mafia" in the game.  Anyone else back me up here?

Well our QT indicates that poison and fire may be ways that scum have of killing.
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« Reply #317 on: November 18, 2013, 05:19:31 am »

I asked earlier for others to provide the names of their QTs.  No one has, to this point.

There could be other forests out there, remaining hidden.

Or the scum QT could be a forest.

Or all QTs could be forests.

Lots of possibilities.
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« Reply #318 on: November 18, 2013, 05:20:11 am »

I asked earlier for others to provide the names of their QTs.  No one has, to this point.

There could be other forests out there, remaining hidden.

Or the scum QT could be a forest.

Or all QTs could be forests.

Lots of possibilities.

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« Reply #319 on: November 18, 2013, 05:21:02 am »

Can we all weigh in on what we think scum is in this game?

I have reason to believe there are "mafia" in the game.  Anyone else back me up here?

Well our QT indicates that poison and fire may be ways that scum have of killing.

I agree there.  Part of my clue mentions something that points to yet another way of killing that makes me think of mafia.  I'm sure you can guess.

Multiple types of scum in a game this size?  It seems like 2 teams of 2 is about as many as you could safely do.

But poison or fire or mafia...dunno.
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« Reply #320 on: November 18, 2013, 05:21:24 am »

I asked earlier for others to provide the names of their QTs.  No one has, to this point.

There could be other forests out there, remaining hidden.

Or the scum QT could be a forest.

Or all QTs could be forests.

Lots of possibilities.

Are you assuming there's more than one Neighbourhood QT?

I'm assuming everyone is in a neighborhood QT.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #321 on: November 18, 2013, 05:21:49 am »

It's possible we're all just reading way too much into the clues.

I strongly disagree. Our clues are the only pieces of information we have at this point, and:

Some parts of this passage will be pure flavor, but others will drop tidbits of information about the game's setup.


We should absolutely use them, discuss them, interpret them today.
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« Reply #322 on: November 18, 2013, 05:22:44 am »

I asked earlier for others to provide the names of their QTs.  No one has, to this point.

There could be other forests out there, remaining hidden.

Or the scum QT could be a forest.

Or all QTs could be forests.

Lots of possibilities.

Are you assuming there's more than one Neighbourhood QT?

I'm assuming everyone is in a neighborhood QT.

I'm not.
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« Reply #323 on: November 18, 2013, 05:22:59 am »

It's possible we're all just reading way too much into the clues.

I strongly disagree. Our clues are the only pieces of information we have at this point, and:

Some parts of this passage will be pure flavor, but others will drop tidbits of information about the game's setup.


We should absolutely use them, discuss them, interpret them today.

I agree they are clues, and I agree we should work with them.

I'm just not sure that every letter of every word has fourteen sub-meanings that we can glean through yoga and eye contact.
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« Reply #324 on: November 18, 2013, 05:24:42 am »

FWIW, based on my role, I think it's entirely reasonable that everyone but me is in a neighborhood QT.
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« Reply #325 on: November 18, 2013, 05:28:31 am »

I agree they are clues, and I agree we should work with them.

I'm just not sure that every letter of every word has fourteen sub-meanings that we can glean through yoga and eye contact.

And of course it's up to you to decide that axe=scum, but foliage has no meaning at all.
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« Reply #326 on: November 18, 2013, 05:35:56 am »

Damn, I just reread my clue.

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« Reply #327 on: November 18, 2013, 05:42:23 am »

I guess my vote shouldn't just be lying around, so vote: BoxofDOG for lurking.
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« Reply #328 on: November 18, 2013, 05:53:36 am »

Damn, I just reread my clue.

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« Reply #329 on: November 18, 2013, 05:58:38 am »

I guess my vote shouldn't just be lying around, so vote: BoxofDOG for lurking.

Deflecting?

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« Reply #330 on: November 18, 2013, 05:59:28 am »

Damn, I just reread my clue.

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« Reply #331 on: November 18, 2013, 05:59:51 am »

Damn, I just reread my clue.

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« Reply #332 on: November 18, 2013, 06:05:58 am »

I'm not in a neighborhood, and this is the weirdest part of my QT:
"Sand spells instant slumber; it’s spelling may save your life."
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« Reply #333 on: November 18, 2013, 06:08:27 am »

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« Reply #334 on: November 18, 2013, 06:44:55 am »

I am currently unwilling to answer these questions. I can only assume that at this point scum has more information than town. When we have a lynch and maybe a NK that gives up some info to town I'll reconsider answering these questions. Generally, I think more info helps town. In fact, I'd say the info posted has helped me as town so it is somewhat hypocritical of me to withhold but considering what information I do have I think it is best I remove myself from the information dump at least for D1.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #335 on: November 18, 2013, 06:45:56 am »

I'm not in a neighborhood, and this is the weirdest part of my QT:
"Sand spells instant slumber; it’s spelling may save your life."
Does anyone's flavor have something to do with that?

Not mine.  S - A - N - D...see anything in that?
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« Reply #336 on: November 18, 2013, 06:47:30 am »

I disagree with your assessment.  You had zero reason to mention the axe at all, so mail-mi knowing an axe-wielder is scum had no real power without a claim.  You could have lied or kept quiet.

Right, like scum would do.
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« Reply #337 on: November 18, 2013, 06:47:54 am »

I agree they are clues, and I agree we should work with them.

I'm just not sure that every letter of every word has fourteen sub-meanings that we can glean through yoga and eye contact.

And of course it's up to you to decide that axe=scum, but foliage has no meaning at all.

Fair point.  But an axe is a weapon, and the clue mentions destruction.  It isn't a stretch.
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« Reply #338 on: November 18, 2013, 06:49:51 am »

Spelling may be a reference to magical spells not the literary type of spelling. Some spells are curses which the posted portion of my QT made reference to.
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« Reply #339 on: November 18, 2013, 06:50:18 am »

I disagree with your assessment.  You had zero reason to mention the axe at all, so mail-mi knowing an axe-wielder is scum had no real power without a claim.  You could have lied or kept quiet.

Right, like scum would do.

My point was, and continues to be, that Jimmmmm did the obviously anti-scum move as scum purposefully to have the argument available that what he did was so unlikely as scum that he must be town.  Again, as with the purloined letter, he is hiding in plain sight.  It's super ballsy, and I salute him.
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« Reply #340 on: November 18, 2013, 06:51:14 am »

Spelling may be a reference to magical spells not the literary type of spelling. Some spells are curses which the posted portion of my QT made reference to.

Or Mr. sandman is in the game, and is a doctor.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #341 on: November 18, 2013, 06:57:57 am »

Spelling may be a reference to magical spells not the literary type of spelling. Some spells are curses which the posted portion of my QT made reference to.

Or Mr. sandman is in the game, and is a doctor.

Or a roleblocker. Sending people to sleep sounds more like roleblocking to me.
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« Reply #342 on: November 18, 2013, 07:02:39 am »

Spelling may be a reference to magical spells not the literary type of spelling. Some spells are curses which the posted portion of my QT made reference to.

Or Mr. sandman is in the game, and is a doctor.

Or a roleblocker. Sending people to sleep sounds more like roleblocking to me.

Maybe jail keeper.  Saving a life, right?  Role blockers don't do that.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #343 on: November 18, 2013, 07:26:11 am »

I disagree with your assessment.  You had zero reason to mention the axe at all, so mail-mi knowing an axe-wielder is scum had no real power without a claim.  You could have lied or kept quiet.

Right, like scum would do.

My point was, and continues to be, that Jimmmmm did the obviously anti-scum move as scum purposefully to have the argument available that what he did was so unlikely as scum that he must be town.  Again, as with the purloined letter, he is hiding in plain sight.  It's super ballsy, and I salute him.

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« Reply #344 on: November 18, 2013, 07:30:48 am »

I disagree with your assessment.  You had zero reason to mention the axe at all, so mail-mi knowing an axe-wielder is scum had no real power without a claim.  You could have lied or kept quiet.

Right, like scum would do.

My point was, and continues to be, that Jimmmmm did the obviously anti-scum move as scum purposefully to have the argument available that what he did was so unlikely as scum that he must be town.  Again, as with the purloined letter, he is hiding in plain sight.  It's super ballsy, and I salute him.

Is that what you actually believe, or is it just a theory?

It is a theory which I believe has a chance of being proven right.  No one can be sure, but we work with what we have.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #345 on: November 18, 2013, 09:15:26 am »

The woodcutter saves little red riding hood and her grandmother by cutting open the wolf's stomach.
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« Reply #346 on: November 18, 2013, 10:18:28 am »

Given the current debate about Jimmmmm's role, I think this is a good time to say that I am Little Red Riding Hood.
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« Reply #347 on: November 18, 2013, 10:24:38 am »

Given the current debate about Jimmmmm's role, I think this is a good time to say that I am Little Red Riding Hood.

Interesting. So EFHW and Jimmmmm are in the same neighborhood QT, and apparently from the same fairy tale. Does this mean that ash is from this fairy tale as well?
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« Reply #348 on: November 18, 2013, 10:34:37 am »

Given the current debate about Jimmmmm's role, I think this is a good time to say that I am Little Red Riding Hood.

Interesting. So EFHW and Jimmmmm are in the same neighborhood QT, and apparently from the same fairy tale. Does this mean that ash is from this fairy tale as well?

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« Reply #349 on: November 18, 2013, 10:38:55 am »

Given the current debate about Jimmmmm's role, I think this is a good time to say that I am Little Red Riding Hood.

Interesting. So EFHW and Jimmmmm are in the same neighborhood QT, and apparently from the same fairy tale. Does this mean that ash is from this fairy tale as well?

Obviously ash is the Big Bad Wolf!

Likely.

As for your mod quote there, I think it just means that whatever is claimed won't give away alignment.  It's not like someone going to go "derpity-derp I'm a ninja godfather Big Bad Wolf derp" or something.
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« Reply #350 on: November 18, 2013, 10:40:27 am »

Given the current debate about Jimmmmm's role, I think this is a good time to say that I am Little Red Riding Hood.

Interesting. So EFHW and Jimmmmm are in the same neighborhood QT, and apparently from the same fairy tale. Does this mean that ash is from this fairy tale as well?

Obviously ash is the Big Bad Wolf!

Likely.

As for your mod quote there, I think it just means that whatever is claimed won't give away alignment.  It's not like someone going to go "derpity-derp I'm a ninja godfather Big Bad Wolf derp" or something.

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« Reply #351 on: November 18, 2013, 10:52:29 am »

unvote.

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« Reply #352 on: November 18, 2013, 10:55:17 am »

Warning: I'm on some painkillers because I have... well, we're not sure yet, but probably an abscessed tooth.

Weird. I can't think of any fairy tale characters with dental problems...
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« Reply #353 on: November 18, 2013, 11:12:45 am »

My, what aching teeth you have.
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« Reply #354 on: November 18, 2013, 11:25:29 am »

Warning: I'm on some painkillers because I have... well, we're not sure yet, but probably an abscessed tooth.

Weird. I can't think of any fairy tale characters with dental problems...

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« Reply #355 on: November 18, 2013, 11:32:16 am »

Right now, I'm wating for ash to claim Grandma.
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« Reply #356 on: November 18, 2013, 11:55:03 am »

EFHW, is there a reason you didn't answer faust's question?
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« Reply #357 on: November 18, 2013, 12:09:00 pm »

I had a musical to be a part of (with an after party) ._.

Though! The showings are over now.

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« Reply #358 on: November 18, 2013, 12:11:31 pm »

I had a musical to be a part of (with an after party) ._.

Though! The showings are over now.

Could anyone, possibly, help me


Well the main thing is that mail-mi asked for someone who has an axe, I said yes and apparently his flavour implicates someone with an axe. Unfortunately for that argument, Mafia is never that simple and I'm not scum.
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« Reply #359 on: November 18, 2013, 12:43:44 pm »

EFHW, is there a reason you didn't answer faust's question?

I was kind of waiting for you.  Our QT does mention purple.  My clue has "golden" in it.
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« Reply #360 on: November 18, 2013, 12:56:01 pm »

I had a musical to be a part of (with an after party) ._.

Though! The showings are over now.

Could anyone, possibly, help me


Well the main thing is that mail-mi asked for someone who has an axe, I said yes and apparently his flavour implicates someone with an axe. Unfortunately for that argument, Mafia is never that simple and I'm not scum.
Yeah..

Mafia is never that simple, especially in RMM.
I don't doubt that two people can have the same role, and no matter how unlikely it may sound, it does happen.
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« Reply #361 on: November 18, 2013, 01:01:27 pm »

EFHW, is there a reason you didn't answer faust's question?

I was kind of waiting for you.  Our QT does mention purple.  My clue has "golden" in it.

I did hesitate about the red, b/c it's associated with mafia and b/c I have no idea why he wants to know.  But with the Woodsman being claimed, and us being in the same forest, it seemed timely to bring up Little Red Riding Hood.
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« Reply #362 on: November 18, 2013, 01:07:27 pm »

What's with the ketchup?
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« Reply #363 on: November 18, 2013, 01:10:00 pm »

What's with the ketchup?
It's a pun.
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« Reply #365 on: November 18, 2013, 01:13:45 pm »

You'll have to reread to get the best sense of it, but basically there has been a lot of discussion about parts of the clues we got and what they could mean, and Jimmmmm has fallen under some suspicion b/c mail-mi's hint mentions an foliage-destroying axe and Jimmmmm's flavor includes an axe.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #366 on: November 18, 2013, 01:42:16 pm »

I want to repeat that I have flavour that indicates that destroing foliage might be good.

I am comfortable with my vote on Ashersky.
His aggressive attitude when pushing the jimm wagon reads scum to me.
The flavor claims of EFHW and Jimm makes it plausible that Ashersky is the big bad wolf.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #367 on: November 18, 2013, 02:41:54 pm »

I want to repeat that I have flavour that indicates that destroing foliage might be good.

I am comfortable with my vote on Ashersky.
His aggressive attitude when pushing the jimm wagon reads scum to me.
The flavor claims of EFHW and Jimm makes it plausible that Ashersky is the big bad wolf.

This part is completely wrong.  I am actually really trying to scum hunt, as my QT clue really does make it sound like there are mafia in this game, and I am not mafia.  Observe:

The post office gets busy around the holidays. Especially with the throngs of people clamoring at the doors.

“Can’t you see we’re closed every other day?” The grizzled owner always says in reply to the constant banging.

But some packages must be delivered. Some deliveries must be received. However, others can wait until morning.

And what a morning the following day was! Someone was killed! And not just anyone- the shopkeeper! A bullet-sized hole piercing his skin and going clean through. Such a close-up attack will not go unnoticed.

On the bright side, the post office is finally open on Tuesdays.


Bullets?  Must be mafia.  My advice to town is to not forget that this is multi-ball, so scum hunting is not a town trait.  This entire game was truly town!ash in the sense that I was absolutely seeking to lynch scum.

As for the rest of it, mostly right.  My provided fake claim is Jack, the beanstalk guy.  But that makes no sense in context.  I could claim grandma, but that's almost worse.  So, contrary to the OP, being forced to claim DOES immediately out scum.

Just remember, scum =/= mafia.  I am the only person of my alignment, that I know of, so I could be kind of the SK.  Honestly, I don't know.  I might have unknown teammates.  But I am fairly sure a mafia team is out there, so focusing on them strikes me as prudent.

I would consider Jimmmm/EFHW masons at this point.  I would also consider a full claim, maybe even before finalizing my lynch, to out more scum.

Good luck.

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« Reply #368 on: November 18, 2013, 02:51:28 pm »

What does 'being forced to claim' even mean?

It's not as though someone can forcefully make you confess your role..
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #369 on: November 18, 2013, 03:13:16 pm »

I want to repeat that I have flavour that indicates that destroing foliage might be good.

I am comfortable with my vote on Ashersky.
His aggressive attitude when pushing the jimm wagon reads scum to me.
The flavor claims of EFHW and Jimm makes it plausible that Ashersky is the big bad wolf.

This part is completely wrong.  I am actually really trying to scum hunt, as my QT clue really does make it sound like there are mafia in this game, and I am not mafia.  Observe:

The post office gets busy around the holidays. Especially with the throngs of people clamoring at the doors.

“Can’t you see we’re closed every other day?” The grizzled owner always says in reply to the constant banging.

But some packages must be delivered. Some deliveries must be received. However, others can wait until morning.

And what a morning the following day was! Someone was killed! And not just anyone- the shopkeeper! A bullet-sized hole piercing his skin and going clean through. Such a close-up attack will not go unnoticed.

On the bright side, the post office is finally open on Tuesdays.


Bullets?  Must be mafia.  My advice to town is to not forget that this is multi-ball, so scum hunting is not a town trait.  This entire game was truly town!ash in the sense that I was absolutely seeking to lynch scum.

As for the rest of it, mostly right.  My provided fake claim is Jack, the beanstalk guy.  But that makes no sense in context.  I could claim grandma, but that's almost worse.  So, contrary to the OP, being forced to claim DOES immediately out scum.

Just remember, scum =/= mafia.  I am the only person of my alignment, that I know of, so I could be kind of the SK.  Honestly, I don't know.  I might have unknown teammates.  But I am fairly sure a mafia team is out there, so focusing on them strikes me as prudent.

I would consider Jimmmm/EFHW masons at this point.  I would also consider a full claim, maybe even before finalizing my lynch, to out more scum.

Good luck.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #370 on: November 18, 2013, 03:22:17 pm »

I guess that's a white flag? Seems highly unwarranted. I was definitely not sold on the idea that your flavour would be from Little Red Riding Hood.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #371 on: November 18, 2013, 03:23:14 pm »

Vote: ashersky

Vote Count please


Let's not lynch straight away, but I see no reason to continue the Day too much longer.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #372 on: November 18, 2013, 03:25:37 pm »

I want to repeat that I have flavour that indicates that destroing foliage might be good.

I am comfortable with my vote on Ashersky.
His aggressive attitude when pushing the jimm wagon reads scum to me.
The flavor claims of EFHW and Jimm makes it plausible that Ashersky is the big bad wolf.

This part is completely wrong.  I am actually really trying to scum hunt, as my QT clue really does make it sound like there are mafia in this game, and I am not mafia.  Observe:

The post office gets busy around the holidays. Especially with the throngs of people clamoring at the doors.

“Can’t you see we’re closed every other day?” The grizzled owner always says in reply to the constant banging.

But some packages must be delivered. Some deliveries must be received. However, others can wait until morning.

And what a morning the following day was! Someone was killed! And not just anyone- the shopkeeper! A bullet-sized hole piercing his skin and going clean through. Such a close-up attack will not go unnoticed.

On the bright side, the post office is finally open on Tuesdays.


Bullets?  Must be mafia.  My advice to town is to not forget that this is multi-ball, so scum hunting is not a town trait.  This entire game was truly town!ash in the sense that I was absolutely seeking to lynch scum.

As for the rest of it, mostly right.  My provided fake claim is Jack, the beanstalk guy.  But that makes no sense in context.  I could claim grandma, but that's almost worse.  So, contrary to the OP, being forced to claim DOES immediately out scum.

Just remember, scum =/= mafia.  I am the only person of my alignment, that I know of, so I could be kind of the SK.  Honestly, I don't know.  I might have unknown teammates.  But I am fairly sure a mafia team is out there, so focusing on them strikes me as prudent.

I would consider Jimmmm/EFHW masons at this point.  I would also consider a full claim, maybe even before finalizing my lynch, to out more scum.

Good luck.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #373 on: November 18, 2013, 03:28:41 pm »

I guess that's a white flag? Seems highly unwarranted. I was definitely not sold on the idea that your flavour would be from Little Red Riding Hood.

Say whatever you want.  If it weren't for the way claims planned out, I'd still be convinced you were scum.

There's no way I wouldn't have been forced to claim today (or lynched for not claiming) and no way a fake claim flies here.  It would matter to any of you that I'm not "scum" in the normal sense.

Better to just put as much info out there as I have and hope the town can catch the actual scum.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #374 on: November 18, 2013, 03:37:05 pm »

Still confused. Still don't think you were anywhere near throw-the-towel-in point, but whatever.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #375 on: November 18, 2013, 03:41:09 pm »

Still confused. Still don't think you were anywhere near throw-the-towel-in point, but whatever.

Are you up for answering questions?

Sure, fire away.  (See what I did there?)
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #376 on: November 18, 2013, 03:41:55 pm »

What's your actual flavour name? What's your kill flavour?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #377 on: November 18, 2013, 03:43:32 pm »

What's your actual flavour name? What's your kill flavour?

Name is: Big Bad.
No info on killing provided to me.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #378 on: November 18, 2013, 03:44:38 pm »

What's your actual flavour name? What's your kill flavour?

Name is: Big Bad.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #379 on: November 18, 2013, 04:03:00 pm »

What's your actual flavour name? What's your kill flavour?

Name is: Big Bad.
No info on killing provided to me.

But you do have a nightkill right?

It's unclear, but I think so.  My role PM actually reads more like a cult leader, to be honest.  I assumed that I'd actually learn more about my role on N1.

Why, do you want to use me as a town-directed vig?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #380 on: November 18, 2013, 04:45:19 pm »

What's your actual flavour name? What's your kill flavour?

Name is: Big Bad.
No info on killing provided to me.

But you do have a nightkill right?

It's unclear, but I think so.  My role PM actually reads more like a cult leader, to be honest.  I assumed that I'd actually learn more about my role on N1.

Why, do you want to use me as a town-directed vig?

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #381 on: November 18, 2013, 05:17:17 pm »

I was going to make a post.

Then my internet went down.

And I forgot ;-;
It was important, which is even more frustrating.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #382 on: November 18, 2013, 05:31:06 pm »

By my count ash only has 3 votes at the moment, which is L-4. My suggestion would be that we give everyone 24-48 hours to say anything important they have to say, and then get this lynch through.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #383 on: November 18, 2013, 05:32:29 pm »

By my count ash only has 3 votes at the moment, which is L-4. My suggestion would be that we give everyone 24-48 hours to say anything important they have to say, and then get this lynch through.

I'll keep answering questions, if asked.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #384 on: November 18, 2013, 05:35:14 pm »

Well this is... interesting. Ash just claimed scum, well. Well well well.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #385 on: November 18, 2013, 05:54:53 pm »

Vote Count 1.5

EFHW (1) Voltgloss
ashersky (4) xeiron, Jimmmmm, ashersky, mail-mi
Jimmmmm (1) XerxesPraelor
mail-mi (2) pingpongsam, Morgrim7
BoxOfDog (1) faust

Not Voting (3) BoxOfDog, EFHW, chairs
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #386 on: November 18, 2013, 05:56:28 pm »

Vote Count 1.5

EFHW (1) Voltgloss
ashersky (5) xeiron, Jimmmmm, ashersky, faust, mail-mi
Jimmmmm (1) XerxesPraelor
mail-mi (2) pingpongsam, Morgrim7

Not Voting (3) BoxOfDog, EFHW, chairs
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #387 on: November 18, 2013, 06:05:47 pm »

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #388 on: November 18, 2013, 06:58:13 pm »

Psh, I'm not making the mistake of hammering, but I'm not gonna reject a vote either.

The evidence is here.. No need to state the obvious.
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« Reply #389 on: November 18, 2013, 06:58:44 pm »

Psh, I'm not making the mistake of hammering, but I'm not gonna reject a vote either.

The evidence is here.. No need to state the obvious.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #390 on: November 18, 2013, 07:32:09 pm »

I'm not buying it. If ash flips Town, and i think he will then Jimmmmm and mail-mi are both scum.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #391 on: November 18, 2013, 07:34:28 pm »

I'm not buying it. If ash flips Town, and i think he will then Jimmmmm and mail-mi are both scum.
If that's the case, then so be it.

I'm perfectly willing to lose a town D1, since that pretty much always happens anyway.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #392 on: November 18, 2013, 10:38:47 pm »

Big storm in MI yesterday, no power, so I am on phone until tomorrow.  Saw Ash's claim, and I'm torn between happy to catch scum and wary about possible ulterior motives.  I do think that if scum!Ashersky thought he was caught he might not want to try a long self-defense effort. 
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #393 on: November 18, 2013, 10:45:48 pm »

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #394 on: November 18, 2013, 10:55:14 pm »

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #395 on: November 18, 2013, 11:24:48 pm »

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Vote Count 1.FINAL

EFHW (1) Voltgloss
ashersky (7) xeiron, Jimmmmm, ashersky, mail-mi, chairs, BoxOfDog, Morgrim7

Jimmmmm (1) XerxesPraelor
mail-mi (1) pingpongsam
BoxOfDog (1) faust

Not Voting (1) EFHW,
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Night])
« Reply #396 on: November 20, 2013, 11:11:15 pm »

The Town awoke and did a quick head count. From that they realized that No One Died.


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« Reply #397 on: November 20, 2013, 11:11:30 pm »

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #398 on: November 21, 2013, 02:04:04 am »

Did anyone have something bad happen to them last Night?
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« Reply #399 on: November 21, 2013, 03:04:06 am »

Did anyone have something bad happen to them last Night?

I did not.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #400 on: November 21, 2013, 03:08:59 am »

Let me do a semi-claim.

I am Rapunzel, an [REDACTED] Ascetic. That means that any non-killing night actions targeting me will fail. I'm telling you this because I think it's far more likely town would target me with non-killing actions than scum, and that would not be helpful. My role may or may not have some kind of resctriction tied on it.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #401 on: November 21, 2013, 03:22:11 am »

Well, we don't have a whole lot to analyze here I think. D1 was an obvious lynch, and noone was killed N1, which I think means that scum targeted one of Jimmmmm/EFHW, who was correctly protected. I don't like Morgrim hammering that fast, but as I've heard, it's just what he does. PPS opposed the ashersky lynch short before the deadline, which reads more like cautious town to me.

Everyone should be reminded though that ashersky could have a partner, and was just lying to protect them. FWIW, I think the flavor text ash provided is not fabricated; it matches up with what I know.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #402 on: November 21, 2013, 05:07:10 am »

Why on earth would anyone claim scum?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #403 on: November 21, 2013, 06:32:00 am »

Did anyone have something bad happen to them last Night?

Nothing is in my QT, that doesn't mean someone didn't hex me or something that I am not aware of yet.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #404 on: November 21, 2013, 06:39:34 am »

Why on earth would anyone claim scum?

While this is terrible play, here is a line of reasoning I suspected ashersky of yesterday. Scum would most likely wagon the too easy scum-claimer. D1 is the least damaging day to pull the stunt. Thus, town is provided with a D1 wagon that is highly likely to be scum.

That he was evidently a Wolf and thus a 3rd faction presents an entirely different outlay for D2. I would expect the Wolf faction to have at least 2 members otherwise wouldn't a more apropos flavour be SK?

My take on the ashersky seppuku? Based on the results of RMM9 I'd have to say ashersky doesn't want to play at all once he finds himself in a real corner. Were it me in that D1 position I would have lied through my teeth if for no other reason than to throw as much confusion into D2 after my death as possible. No way I would publicly throw in the towel and admit my alignment for a guaranteed lynch. RMM9 was an entirely different matter and may be unfair to correlate but I think I see a pattern emerging.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #405 on: November 21, 2013, 09:33:24 am »

Let me do a semi-claim.

I am Rapunzel, an [REDACTED] Ascetic. That means that any non-killing night actions targeting me will fail. I'm telling you this because I think it's far more likely town would target me with non-killing actions than scum, and that would not be helpful. My role may or may not have some kind of resctriction tied on it.

I am not sure if it was smart of Faust to claim. Now scum knows hat he cannot be protected at night, should they want to kill him.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #406 on: November 21, 2013, 09:44:30 am »

Ashersky seems to be part of a scumteam based on the flip.
He said he was third-party but I do not think he spoke the truth there.

I am most suspicious of Voltgloss and PingPongSam at this moment.
Both was off-wagon, and more or less outside the spotlight during D1.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #407 on: November 21, 2013, 09:49:32 am »

Voltgloss is notably absent which is raising my suspicions on him.

I was off-wagon but I'm not exactly sure how I'm categorized as out of the spotlight. What do you mean by that?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #408 on: November 21, 2013, 09:55:51 am »

If you believe ash has one or more partners, what do you think of his saying that we should treat EFHW and me as Masons?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #409 on: November 21, 2013, 10:12:41 am »

If you believe ash has one or more partners, what do you think of his saying that we should treat EFHW and me as Masons?
I think you have a higher chance of being town.

Also, I'm really debating something...

Poll: If one of us alive right now were to become an IC, who would you want it to be?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #410 on: November 21, 2013, 10:14:13 am »

If you believe ash has one or more partners, what do you think of his saying that we should treat EFHW and me as Masons?
I think you have a higher chance of being town.

Also, I'm really debating something...

Poll: If one of us alive right now were to become an IC, who would you want it to be?

The person with the most powerful role or the person we're most likely to mislynch.

I guess that doesn't answer your question. I'll have a look.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #411 on: November 21, 2013, 10:15:05 am »

Volt I guess?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #412 on: November 21, 2013, 10:28:16 am »

Voltgloss is notably absent which is raising my suspicions on him.

I was off-wagon but I'm not exactly sure how I'm categorized as out of the spotlight. What do you mean by that?

Among the two of you, I agree Voltgloss has been the most absent.

When I still categorize you as outside the spotlight, I mean that you have not been he center of talk during the day, nor have you come with any posts that starts a discussion or otherwise attract lots of attention.

The people I would say have been in the spotlight is Ashersky, Jimm, EFHW, mail-mi and faust. This is fewer than normal, and the reason is probably that Ashersky claimed scum and caused the day to end early.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #413 on: November 21, 2013, 10:29:51 am »

Ashersky seems to be part of a scumteam based on the flip.
He said he was third-party but I do not think he spoke the truth there.

I had the same thought, but I don't think Ashersky would cave if he had teammates.  He would still have a chance of winning then, and would try to get it.  His being godfather/ninja points to an SK kind of role.  It's important for SK to have some buffs! 
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #414 on: November 21, 2013, 10:30:22 am »

If you believe ash has one or more partners, what do you think of his saying that we should treat EFHW and me as Masons?
I think you have a higher chance of being town.

Also, I'm really debating something...

Poll: If one of us alive right now were to become an IC, who would you want it to be?

pingpongsam or Voltgloss would help most in my eyes in order to minimize the lynch pool.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #415 on: November 21, 2013, 10:32:00 am »

also, there's the expression "lone wolf"!
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #416 on: November 21, 2013, 10:32:20 am »

If you believe ash has one or more partners, what do you think of his saying that we should treat EFHW and me as Masons?
I think you have a higher chance of being town.

Also, I'm really debating something...

Poll: If one of us alive right now were to become an IC, who would you want it to be?

Not me!
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #417 on: November 21, 2013, 10:33:22 am »

I directly opposed the most obvious lynch. I'd call that attracting attention and thus being in the spotlight. Were I Mafia I would have either been on wagon or off and quiet. Now, I can see why my behavior might indicate I was ashersky's partner.  I recall directly implicating ashersky as being the axe-thief which would be truly terrible play of me if I were his partner.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #418 on: November 21, 2013, 10:37:00 am »

If you believe ash has one or more partners, what do you think of his saying that we should treat EFHW and me as Masons?
I think you have a higher chance of being town.

Also, I'm really debating something...

Poll: If one of us alive right now were to become an IC, who would you want it to be?

Not me!

That is a joke, of course.  I would be happy to serve as town's IC should the occasion arise.  But, yeah, the currently most suspicious person would be the best IC.  Maybe faust?  Xeiron's right that he put himself at greater risk with his claim, so maybe he knows he wouldn't actually be in any danger, AND doesn't want to have interfering town powers directed at him.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #419 on: November 21, 2013, 10:39:49 am »

Yeah, I reviewed. I joined the ashersky wagon at exactly the same time as xeiron implicating ashersky of being the axe-thief. So, if we are going to twist that into me being ashersky's partner by way of conflating it with staying out of the spotlight, despite my direct opposition to his lynch in the end... I will have to seriously question xeiron's alignment.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #420 on: November 21, 2013, 10:40:31 am »

If you believe ash has one or more partners, what do you think of his saying that we should treat EFHW and me as Masons?
I think you have a higher chance of being town.

Also, I'm really debating something...

Poll: If one of us alive right now were to become an IC, who would you want it to be?

Not me!

That is a joke, of course.  I would be happy to serve as town's IC should the occasion arise.  But, yeah, the currently most suspicious person would be the best IC.  Maybe faust?  Xeiron's right that he put himself at greater risk with his claim, so maybe he knows he wouldn't actually be in any danger, AND doesn't want to have interfering town powers directed at him.

You want me to be the IC? Me, who cannot be protected at night?

Also, you can trust that I've thought this claim through well, and came to the conclusion that it was the best thing to do.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #421 on: November 21, 2013, 10:41:09 am »

If you believe ash has one or more partners, what do you think of his saying that we should treat EFHW and me as Masons?
I think you have a higher chance of being town.

Also, I'm really debating something...

Poll: If one of us alive right now were to become an IC, who would you want it to be?

Not me!

That is a joke, of course.  I would be happy to serve as town's IC should the occasion arise.  But, yeah, the currently most suspicious person would be the best IC.  Maybe faust?  Xeiron's right that he put himself at greater risk with his claim, so maybe he knows he wouldn't actually be in any danger, AND doesn't want to have interfering town powers directed at him.

You want me to be the IC? Me, who cannot be protected at night?

Also, you can trust that I've thought this claim through well, and came to the conclusion that it was the best thing to do.

good point. 
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #422 on: November 21, 2013, 10:43:40 am »

So, xeiron, why have you dropped your line of questioning about Jimmmm's allusion to xerxes being scum?

Jimmmm, what became of your allusions that xerxes might be scum?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #423 on: November 21, 2013, 10:46:55 am »

If you believe ash has one or more partners, what do you think of his saying that we should treat EFHW and me as Masons?

I don't think it makes sense that you or EFHW are ash's partners. If this were the case, the one of you that is ash's partner wouldn't have put him in the corner like that by claiming. The only possibility that makes sense is that you are both his partners and the whole thing was staged, but I don't believe scum would make such a bold move.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #424 on: November 21, 2013, 10:49:04 am »

So, xeiron, why have you dropped your line of questioning about Jimmmm's allusion to xerxes being scum?

Jimmmm, what became of your allusions that xerxes might be scum?

Oh right that. I had and have no particular reason to believe he is scum - I saw someone I hadn't played before and thought seeing how he'd react to some pressure was better than RVS.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #425 on: November 21, 2013, 10:49:19 am »

If you believe ash has one or more partners, what do you think of his saying that we should treat EFHW and me as Masons?
I think you have a higher chance of being town.

Also, I'm really debating something...

Poll: If one of us alive right now were to become an IC, who would you want it to be?

Out of those who haven't contrbuted much yet, I think Voltgloss would make the most valuable IC. Maybe Morgrim is a good choice as well.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #426 on: November 21, 2013, 11:01:27 am »

I got a message last night that I will share with everyone:

"Hi EFHW. I want to share stuff in case I die. There is likely a SK in this setup. Also, there is a role that can protect from the SK. The protective role is linked to writing and/or wood. If xeiron mentions your name in his first D2 post, he is likely the SK."

xeiron did NOT mention my name in his first post.

I'm not sure what to make of this message, since I think ash was the SK, and I don't know what my name would have to do with anything, but maybe town as a group can make more sense of it.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #427 on: November 21, 2013, 11:04:27 am »

I got a message last night that I will share with everyone:

"Hi EFHW. I want to share stuff in case I die. There is likely a SK in this setup. Also, there is a role that can protect from the SK. The protective role is linked to writing and/or wood. If xeiron mentions your name in his first D2 post, he is likely the SK."

xeiron did NOT mention my name in his first post.

I'm not sure what to make of this message, since I think ash was the SK, and I don't know what my name would have to do with anything, but maybe town as a group can make more sense of it.
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« Reply #428 on: November 21, 2013, 11:06:33 am »

(Whoops)

I got a message last night that I will share with everyone:

"Hi EFHW. I want to share stuff in case I die. There is likely a SK in this setup. Also, there is a role that can protect from the SK. The protective role is linked to writing and/or wood. If xeiron mentions your name in his first D2 post, he is likely the SK."

xeiron did NOT mention my name in his first post.

I'm not sure what to make of this message, since I think ash was the SK, and I don't know what my name would have to do with anything, but maybe town as a group can make more sense of it.

I got the exact same message, except my name instead of EFHW's and "EFHW's name" instead of "your name".
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #429 on: November 21, 2013, 11:09:15 am »

Welp.. No one died.

I guess.. That's a good thing..?
One less scum.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #430 on: November 21, 2013, 11:16:12 am »

Welp.. No one died.

I guess.. That's a good thing..?
One less scum.

Your posts are always dripping of content...

Seriously, you need to give us more. Who do you think is scum? Who is town? How would you answer mail-mi's question?

Vote: BoxOfDOG in the meantime.
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« Reply #431 on: November 21, 2013, 11:20:36 am »

I agree, Vote: BoxOfDog.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #432 on: November 21, 2013, 11:34:22 am »

Eggh.. Not exactly cause for a vote. Well, kind of.

So far, Ashersky was the most suspicious, but that was because he literally claimed scum.
Eh, other than that, Voltglass
If you want me to state my suspicions, then it's Voltglass.

And mail-mi's question.
I don't even remember what IC means. I've been trying to figure that out for the past hour, and can't find it anywhere.
Until then, I have to go.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #433 on: November 21, 2013, 11:35:09 am »

Eggh.. Not exactly cause for a vote. Well, kind of.

So far, Ashersky was the most suspicious, but that was because he literally claimed scum.
Eh, other than that, Voltglass
If you want me to state my suspicions, then it's Voltglass.

And mail-mi's question.
I don't even remember what IC means. I've been trying to figure that out for the past hour, and can't find it anywhere.
Until then, I have to go.

State why you're suspicious of him.

IC = Innocent Child. Someone who is mod-confirmed Town.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #434 on: November 21, 2013, 11:55:49 am »

I got a message last night that I will share with everyone:

"Hi EFHW. I want to share stuff in case I die. There is likely a SK in this setup. Also, there is a role that can protect from the SK. The protective role is linked to writing and/or wood. If xeiron mentions your name in his first D2 post, he is likely the SK."

xeiron did NOT mention my name in his first post.

I'm not sure what to make of this message, since I think ash was the SK, and I don't know what my name would have to do with anything, but maybe town as a group can make more sense of it.

I can confirm that I also got a message, and was told to mention EFHW in my first post if i am SK. (Of course worded in a different way to not make me realize this was SK hunting.)
But I am not so I didn't.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #435 on: November 21, 2013, 12:01:07 pm »

I'm clearly the best IC.

Duh.

I received a bauble last night, Innovation Inc. style, did anybody else?

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #436 on: November 21, 2013, 12:01:48 pm »

If you believe ash has one or more partners, what do you think of his saying that we should treat EFHW and me as Masons?
I think you have a higher chance of being town.

Also, I'm really debating something...

Poll: If one of us alive right now were to become an IC, who would you want it to be?
I would really like if everyone came to a consensus on this.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #437 on: November 21, 2013, 12:02:13 pm »

I got a message last night that I will share with everyone:

"Hi EFHW. I want to share stuff in case I die. There is likely a SK in this setup. Also, there is a role that can protect from the SK. The protective role is linked to writing and/or wood. If xeiron mentions your name in his first D2 post, he is likely the SK."

xeiron did NOT mention my name in his first post.

I'm not sure what to make of this message, since I think ash was the SK, and I don't know what my name would have to do with anything, but maybe town as a group can make more sense of it.

I can confirm that I also got a message, and was told to mention EFHW in my first post if i am SK. (Of course worded in a different way to not make me realize this was SK hunting.)
But I am not so I didn't.

What else did the message say? How was it worded such that you would possibly follow along with it if you were a SK?
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« Reply #438 on: November 21, 2013, 12:02:41 pm »

If you believe ash has one or more partners, what do you think of his saying that we should treat EFHW and me as Masons?
I think you have a higher chance of being town.

Also, I'm really debating something...

Poll: If one of us alive right now were to become an IC, who would you want it to be?
I would really like if everyone came to a consensus on this.

Are you saying that you can actually make someone an IC?
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« Reply #439 on: November 21, 2013, 12:15:30 pm »

I got a message last night that I will share with everyone:

"Hi EFHW. I want to share stuff in case I die. There is likely a SK in this setup. Also, there is a role that can protect from the SK. The protective role is linked to writing and/or wood. If xeiron mentions your name in his first D2 post, he is likely the SK."

xeiron did NOT mention my name in his first post.

I'm not sure what to make of this message, since I think ash was the SK, and I don't know what my name would have to do with anything, but maybe town as a group can make more sense of it.

I can confirm that I also got a message, and was told to mention EFHW in my first post if i am SK. (Of course worded in a different way to not make me realize this was SK hunting.)
But I am not so I didn't.

What else did the message say? How was it worded such that you would possibly follow along with it if you were a SK?
I do not want to to post all of the message. The one who sent it to me may do so it if they think there is nothing to be kept secret.
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« Reply #440 on: November 21, 2013, 12:16:48 pm »

I got a message last night that I will share with everyone:

"Hi EFHW. I want to share stuff in case I die. There is likely a SK in this setup. Also, there is a role that can protect from the SK. The protective role is linked to writing and/or wood. If xeiron mentions your name in his first D2 post, he is likely the SK."

xeiron did NOT mention my name in his first post.

I'm not sure what to make of this message, since I think ash was the SK, and I don't know what my name would have to do with anything, but maybe town as a group can make more sense of it.

I can confirm that I also got a message, and was told to mention EFHW in my first post if i am SK. (Of course worded in a different way to not make me realize this was SK hunting.)
But I am not so I didn't.

What else did the message say? How was it worded such that you would possibly follow along with it if you were a SK?
I do not want to to post all of the message. The one who sent it to me may do so it if they think there is nothing to be kept secret.

Do you think if you were a SK you would have followed along?
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« Reply #441 on: November 21, 2013, 12:26:26 pm »

I got a message last night that I will share with everyone:

"Hi EFHW. I want to share stuff in case I die. There is likely a SK in this setup. Also, there is a role that can protect from the SK. The protective role is linked to writing and/or wood. If xeiron mentions your name in his first D2 post, he is likely the SK."

xeiron did NOT mention my name in his first post.

I'm not sure what to make of this message, since I think ash was the SK, and I don't know what my name would have to do with anything, but maybe town as a group can make more sense of it.

I can confirm that I also got a message, and was told to mention EFHW in my first post if i am SK. (Of course worded in a different way to not make me realize this was SK hunting.)
But I am not so I didn't.

What else did the message say? How was it worded such that you would possibly follow along with it if you were a SK?
I do not want to to post all of the message. The one who sent it to me may do so it if they think there is nothing to be kept secret.

Do you think if you were a SK you would have followed along?
I am not sure. Possibly, yes. Also possible that I would have been more careful not to risk anything that might be a trap.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #442 on: November 21, 2013, 12:31:47 pm »

As everything is spelled out now, I might as well clear things up.

I am, in addition to my previous claim, also a 4-Shot Mailman. The plan I tried to execute here is based on my clue, which says this (among other things):

Legend has it that the world will die as quickly as it was born. By the hands of a silent and solo killer, his body stained an ugly red from the blood of it’s dead victims. He will murder again if one doesn’t stand up for what is write.

Hence my question who has a character associated to red. xeiron answered this with yes, so he was my preferred candidate for the SK. Things got shaken up a bit by ashersky's claim, but I decided to still try this. I sent three messages, one to xeiron that said this:

Hi xeiron, this is faust. My clues make me believe you are a vig. If this is correct, mention EFHW's name in your first D2 post. If I know you're the vig, I can back you up if you are forced to claim. If you're not the vig, indicate that by mentioning my name in the first post.

I hoped that as SK, he might want to jump on a vig claim, and the chances that he actually was a vig were neglectible. I sent messages to Jimmmmm and EFHW as well because they are my top town reads (I sent two in case one of them died).

I don't think ash was the SK mentioned in my flavor text, even though it might be. But I trust that his role is either mafia, along with others, or (as he said himself) some kind of Cult Leader thing.

Now what to take from what happened? xeiron claimed non-vig. That doesn't mean much. But he followed along with my instructions, which I think is more of a scum trait (if he's town, well, I might be scum and he doesn't want to give me any information).
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #443 on: November 21, 2013, 12:39:37 pm »

nice try faust, but I think the clue does refer to ashersky, because it says "its dead victims", like one would say of an animal.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #444 on: November 21, 2013, 12:41:12 pm »

If you believe ash has one or more partners, what do you think of his saying that we should treat EFHW and me as Masons?
I think you have a higher chance of being town.

Also, I'm really debating something...

Poll: If one of us alive right now were to become an IC, who would you want it to be?
I would really like if everyone came to a consensus on this.

Are you saying that you can actually make someone an IC?
Yes. But I need to do it before the day ends.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #445 on: November 21, 2013, 12:55:28 pm »

If you believe ash has one or more partners, what do you think of his saying that we should treat EFHW and me as Masons?
I think you have a higher chance of being town.

Also, I'm really debating something...

Poll: If one of us alive right now were to become an IC, who would you want it to be?
I would really like if everyone came to a consensus on this.

Are you saying that you can actually make someone an IC?
Yes. But I need to do it before the day ends.

I think Voltgloss seems to be the favorite so far.
the only objection to him is that he doesn't seems to be around at he moment.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #446 on: November 21, 2013, 01:06:07 pm »

If you believe ash has one or more partners, what do you think of his saying that we should treat EFHW and me as Masons?
I think you have a higher chance of being town.

Also, I'm really debating something...

Poll: If one of us alive right now were to become an IC, who would you want it to be?
I would really like if everyone came to a consensus on this.

Are you saying that you can actually make someone an IC?
Yes. But I need to do it before the day ends.

What would happen if you selected scum? If it would turn them town we should have one claim.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #447 on: November 21, 2013, 01:36:23 pm »

If you believe ash has one or more partners, what do you think of his saying that we should treat EFHW and me as Masons?
I think you have a higher chance of being town.

Also, I'm really debating something...

Poll: If one of us alive right now were to become an IC, who would you want it to be?
I would really like if everyone came to a consensus on this.

Are you saying that you can actually make someone an IC?
Yes. But I need to do it before the day ends.

What would happen if you selected scum? If it would turn them town we should have one claim.
It probably works as a mod-confirmed cop result.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #448 on: November 21, 2013, 01:40:55 pm »

I am awaiting confirmation of a question. Stay tuned.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #449 on: November 21, 2013, 01:54:30 pm »

Why in god's name would Voltgloss be preferred? AFAICT he's done nothing to indicate he is town at all.

If someone who is Mafia is made IC what becomes of that situation?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #450 on: November 21, 2013, 02:01:25 pm »

Why in god's name would Voltgloss be preferred? AFAICT he's done nothing to indicate he is town at all.

If someone who is Mafia is made IC what becomes of that situation?
Thats the point. I would rather have someone I do not have a townread on become a IC. Ideally someone we would elsewise have mislynched.
There is not much to gain on using this on EFHW or Jimm as they are almost masons already.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #451 on: November 21, 2013, 02:35:52 pm »

If you believe ash has one or more partners, what do you think of his saying that we should treat EFHW and me as Masons?
I think you have a higher chance of being town.

Also, I'm really debating something...

Poll: If one of us alive right now were to become an IC, who would you want it to be?
I would really like if everyone came to a consensus on this.

Are you saying that you can actually make someone an IC?
Yes. But I need to do it before the day ends.

I think Voltgloss seems to be the favorite so far.
the only objection to him is that he doesn't seems to be around at he moment.

I think that's a pretty big objection.  Like when Ahoppy was IC, we - well, town - hardly benefitted b/c he wasn't around.  I think someone active.  xeiron might be a good choice.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #452 on: November 21, 2013, 03:35:50 pm »

If you believe ash has one or more partners, what do you think of his saying that we should treat EFHW and me as Masons?
I think you have a higher chance of being town.

Also, I'm really debating something...

Poll: If one of us alive right now were to become an IC, who would you want it to be?
I would really like if everyone came to a consensus on this.

Are you saying that you can actually make someone an IC?
Yes. But I need to do it before the day ends.

I think Voltgloss seems to be the favorite so far.
the only objection to him is that he doesn't seems to be around at he moment.

I think that's a pretty big objection.  Like when Ahoppy was IC, we - well, town - hardly benefited b/c he wasn't around.  I think someone active.  xeiron might be a good choice.

I will strongly recommend someone other than me. Pingpongsam would be my choice after Voltgloss. Chairs is also a candidate.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #453 on: November 21, 2013, 03:39:15 pm »

So what happens when a Mafia is made IC? Are they outed? If so, then, sure, vote for me, I am your Huckleberry.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #454 on: November 21, 2013, 04:58:08 pm »

chairs is feeling a little loopy.  I'm fine with pps.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #455 on: November 21, 2013, 05:02:28 pm »

Still awaiting an answer from Arche.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #456 on: November 21, 2013, 05:17:44 pm »

Vote: mail-mi

The power to create an IC would almost have to be a scum power as it would be terribly OP in the hands of Town. Mafia knows who isn't Mafia so at best they strike a possible other Wolf and at least they get the Town cred for having used the power. I think it feasible that xeiron is mail-mi's scum partner. He sets up the suspicion on very tenuous reasoning which he refused to respond to when countered and mail-mi directs the power onto the "suspicious" party for cred all around. They cna always kill the IC later. Voltgloss is the other best vote since his absence creates a cloud of suspicion anyhow.

If the above logic is shot full of enough holes I'll change my vote to Voltgloss just for policy.

I'm not opposed to being the IC but should the IC power out a Mafia then I'd like to see it directed towards either mail-mi or xeiron.
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« Reply #457 on: November 21, 2013, 05:21:45 pm »

I will explain everything as soon as I get my question answered.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #458 on: November 21, 2013, 06:01:33 pm »

chairs is feeling a little loopy.  I'm fine with pps.

I'm on painkillers, but I don't feel THAT loopy!  ;D

I'm still curious about having received an item last night, though, but I guess I'm the only one and we're not dealing with another Innovation-esque game?

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #459 on: November 21, 2013, 06:54:56 pm »

chairs is feeling a little loopy.  I'm fine with pps.

I'm on painkillers, but I don't feel THAT loopy!  ;D

I'm still curious about having received an item last night, though, but I guess I'm the only one and we're not dealing with another Innovation-esque game?

I suppose it is either a bomb or a tracking device that tells on you in the night, maybe indicates who you've targeted in the night.

But it could be something totally else, as well. I'm just paranoid.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #460 on: November 21, 2013, 07:16:24 pm »

Discussion at a standstill. :o
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #461 on: November 21, 2013, 07:34:14 pm »

Vote: mail-mi

The power to create an IC would almost have to be a scum power as it would be terribly OP in the hands of Town. Mafia knows who isn't Mafia so at best they strike a possible other Wolf and at least they get the Town cred for having used the power. I think it feasible that xeiron is mail-mi's scum partner. He sets up the suspicion on very tenuous reasoning which he refused to respond to when countered and mail-mi directs the power onto the "suspicious" party for cred all around. They cna always kill the IC later. Voltgloss is the other best vote since his absence creates a cloud of suspicion anyhow.

If the above logic is shot full of enough holes I'll change my vote to Voltgloss just for policy.

I'm not opposed to being the IC but should the IC power out a Mafia then I'd like to see it directed towards either mail-mi or xeiron.

It does seem like an overpowered town power.  It seems to have the requirement that town come to a consensus on who the IC should be.  If it outs Mafia then it's an overpowered cop, especially if it also gives an immediate result.   

It doesn't seem like a mafia power, though, b/c the benefit is so small.  Maybe there is a catch - like the IC dies at the end of the day, so it's like a second nk.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #462 on: November 21, 2013, 08:16:54 pm »

Yay! I thought I was going to die.
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« Reply #463 on: November 21, 2013, 08:17:12 pm »

Be honest, who targeted me?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #464 on: November 21, 2013, 10:28:32 pm »

I can explain everything now. I'm a Desperado. During the day, I may target someone. If they are mafia, they die. If they are town, I die and they don't. You lose me, but gain an IC. (Unless I hit scum which is great.)

So who is a good IC if they are town, and super dangerous if they are mafia?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #465 on: November 21, 2013, 11:06:58 pm »

Vote Count 2.1

BoxOfDog (2) faust, Jimmmmm
Not Voting (9) mail-mi, Morgrim7, EFHW, pingpongsam, Voltgloss, xeiron, XerxesPraelor, chairs, BoxOfDog

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #466 on: November 21, 2013, 11:29:08 pm »

I can explain everything now. I'm a Desperado. During the day, I may target someone. If they are mafia, they die. If they are town, I die and they don't. You lose me, but gain an IC. (Unless I hit scum which is great.)

So who is a good IC if they are town, and super dangerous if they are mafia?

Confirming you plan to do this today?
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« Reply #467 on: November 21, 2013, 11:29:24 pm »

I can explain everything now. I'm a Desperado. During the day, I may target someone. If they are mafia, they die. If they are town, I die and they don't. You lose me, but gain an IC. (Unless I hit scum which is great.)

So who is a good IC if they are town, and super dangerous if they are mafia?

Confirming you plan to do this today?

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« Reply #468 on: November 21, 2013, 11:34:35 pm »

I can explain everything now. I'm a Desperado. During the day, I may target someone. If they are mafia, they die. If they are town, I die and they don't. You lose me, but gain an IC. (Unless I hit scum which is great.)

So who is a good IC if they are town, and super dangerous if they are mafia?

Confirming you plan to do this today?

Or Today rather.

Confirmed. Do you think the mafia would let me live?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #469 on: November 21, 2013, 11:46:50 pm »

I can explain everything now. I'm a Desperado. During the day, I may target someone. If they are mafia, they die. If they are town, I die and they don't. You lose me, but gain an IC. (Unless I hit scum which is great.)

So who is a good IC if they are town, and super dangerous if they are mafia?

Confirming you plan to do this today?

Or Today rather.

Confirmed. Do you think the mafia would let me live?

Cool. Obviously we take mail-mi out of the lynch pool pending results. Obviously use it to try to hunt scum.
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« Reply #470 on: November 21, 2013, 11:58:07 pm »

I can explain everything now. I'm a Desperado. During the day, I may target someone. If they are mafia, they die. If they are town, I die and they don't. You lose me, but gain an IC. (Unless I hit scum which is great.)

So who is a good IC if they are town, and super dangerous if they are mafia?
This just in: It's only 1-shot
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #471 on: November 22, 2013, 04:00:44 am »

Really you should just shoot whoever people think is suspicious: that way you survive if we're right and we get maximum information if you're wrong.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #472 on: November 22, 2013, 06:48:03 am »

Vote: Voltgloss

Policy vote, nothing else since there isn't anything else to work with.
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« Reply #473 on: November 22, 2013, 06:50:57 am »

mail-mi, don't target me unless you really expect me to flip scum or else you die.

This isn't about getting an IC, this is about hitting scum. If you miss we just get the side-benefit of an IC, so choose wisely.

I still push for a xeiron shot.

Also, pray there isn't any role-blocking or redirection taking place with all the role madness.
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« Reply #474 on: November 22, 2013, 06:54:16 am »

That we survived N1 intact does lessen the impact of losing mail-mi to the gain of an IC.
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« Reply #475 on: November 22, 2013, 07:00:37 am »

Voltgloss is notably absent which is raising my suspicions on him.

I was off-wagon but I'm not exactly sure how I'm categorized as out of the spotlight. What do you mean by that?

Among the two of you, I agree Voltgloss has been the most absent.

When I still categorize you as outside the spotlight, I mean that you have not been he center of talk during the day, nor have you come with any posts that starts a discussion or otherwise attract lots of attention.

The people I would say have been in the spotlight is Ashersky, Jimm, EFHW, mail-mi and faust. This is fewer than normal, and the reason is probably that Ashersky claimed scum and caused the day to end early.


I directly opposed the most obvious lynch. I'd call that attracting attention and thus being in the spotlight. Were I Mafia I would have either been on wagon or off and quiet. Now, I can see why my behavior might indicate I was ashersky's partner.  I recall directly implicating ashersky as being the axe-thief which would be truly terrible play of me if I were his partner.


Yeah, I reviewed. I joined the ashersky wagon at exactly the same time as xeiron implicating ashersky of being the axe-thief. So, if we are going to twist that into me being ashersky's partner by way of conflating it with staying out of the spotlight, despite my direct opposition to his lynch in the end... I will have to seriously question xeiron's alignment.


So, xeiron, why have you dropped your line of questioning about Jimmmm's allusion to xerxes being scum?


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« Reply #476 on: November 22, 2013, 07:30:59 am »

Voltgloss is notably absent which is raising my suspicions on him.

I was off-wagon but I'm not exactly sure how I'm categorized as out of the spotlight. What do you mean by that?

Among the two of you, I agree Voltgloss has been the most absent.

When I still categorize you as outside the spotlight, I mean that you have not been he center of talk during the day, nor have you come with any posts that starts a discussion or otherwise attract lots of attention.

The people I would say have been in the spotlight is Ashersky, Jimm, EFHW, mail-mi and faust. This is fewer than normal, and the reason is probably that Ashersky claimed scum and caused the day to end early.


I directly opposed the most obvious lynch. I'd call that attracting attention and thus being in the spotlight. Were I Mafia I would have either been on wagon or off and quiet. Now, I can see why my behavior might indicate I was ashersky's partner.  I recall directly implicating ashersky as being the axe-thief which would be truly terrible play of me if I were his partner.


Yeah, I reviewed. I joined the ashersky wagon at exactly the same time as xeiron implicating ashersky of being the axe-thief. So, if we are going to twist that into me being ashersky's partner by way of conflating it with staying out of the spotlight, despite my direct opposition to his lynch in the end... I will have to seriously question xeiron's alignment.


So, xeiron, why have you dropped your line of questioning about Jimmmm's allusion to xerxes being scum?


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And that is why I like xeiron for the 1-shot acid test.

I am actually the worst possible target.
This will become obvious later in the game.
If mail-mi should decide to use his ability on me, please declare so before you do, and give me a chance to claim.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #477 on: November 22, 2013, 07:57:25 am »

He stopped asking before Jimmm explained, but that's why he isn't asking now, I think.
Worst possible target: the only possibilities I can think of are a role that you don't want mafia to know about (in which case you blew it by bringing this up) or you're an anti-godfather, which is rather unlikely and a cheap way out of this.

I say go ahead with the shot.
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« Reply #478 on: November 22, 2013, 08:44:47 am »

As I understand it the acid test only reveals alignment, not the role, unless of course it manages to kill a scum faction.

Thus, there is no worst possible target when alignments are unknown.
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« Reply #479 on: November 22, 2013, 10:09:59 am »

Through my own judgement, I am not going to shoot xeiron today. I might state reasons later, but they should not be posted now.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #480 on: November 22, 2013, 11:25:15 am »

Through my own judgement, I am not going to shoot xeiron today. I might state reasons later, but they should not be posted now.
Thank you.

I feel right now nothing is happening.
Here is my scum to town list:

Scum
  Pingpongsam - Off wagon. Feels scummy. I do not have anything concrete on him. Slight scum.
Null
  Voltgloss   - Have not been around for some time now.
  Morgrim7  - Few posts. I find nothing that could indicate alignment.
  BoxofDog - Few posts. I find nothing that could indicate alignment.
  Chairs - Few posts. I find nothing that could indicate alignment.
Town
  XerxesPraelor - He reacted towny to the Jimm vote, and is trying to use QT-flavour for scumhunting. I would like some mor posts from him, though. slight town.
  Faust - Active player. Using his role to scumhunt (or SK-hunt). own
  EFHW - Is almost masons with jimm after ashersky died.
  Jimmmm - se EFHW
  mail-mi - Claims that he will kill scum or flip town today. Probably true, as it will be hard to fake.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #481 on: November 22, 2013, 12:01:26 pm »

Wait, quick question, has anyone claimed doctor?

My night action would be rather.. Personally fatal, if there isn't ._.
But I have a strong feeling there is, seeing as someone was either healed, mafia didn't try, or mafia did try, but it didn't work.

Think we should start dragging claims in?
*shrug*
It's not up to me, that's why I'm asking.
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« Reply #482 on: November 22, 2013, 12:12:54 pm »

I can explain everything now. I'm a Desperado. During the day, I may target someone. If they are mafia, they die. If they are town, I die and they don't. You lose me, but gain an IC. (Unless I hit scum which is great.)

So who is a good IC if they are town, and super dangerous if they are mafia?

Ah... so then it's not really worthwhile for you to take a pot shot at me, because we'll lose you.  I thought you were just creating an IC with no major cost.



Wait, quick question, has anyone claimed doctor?

My night action would be rather.. Personally fatal, if there isn't ._.
But I have a strong feeling there is, seeing as someone was either healed, mafia didn't try, or mafia did try, but it didn't work.

Think we should start dragging claims in?
*shrug*
It's not up to me, that's why I'm asking.

Could be interesting to claim.




I think mail-mi should shoot Morgrim7 or EFHW today.  I just have a feeling re: EFHW, nothing concrete, sorry.

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« Reply #483 on: November 22, 2013, 12:15:33 pm »

To be clear, I used a horizontal rule above to separate my thoughts.  That is NOT a signature.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #484 on: November 22, 2013, 12:20:13 pm »

Wait, quick question, has anyone claimed doctor?

My night action would be rather.. Personally fatal, if there isn't ._.
But I have a strong feeling there is, seeing as someone was either healed, mafia didn't try, or mafia did try, but it didn't work.

Think we should start dragging claims in?
*shrug*
It's not up to me, that's why I'm asking.

No one has claimed.
But as you mentioned we have one missing nightkill, so there is likely there exists a role that can stop kills, like a Doctor.

I am not sure if massclaims is a good idea.
I remember Innovation.The last game Archeype modded. Scum had a PR-stealing action that would have been very strong after a massclaim.
Scum could have something in this game too, that makes massclaim a bad idea.
Since town is in such good shape, I think that we should refrain from claiming today.
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« Reply #485 on: November 22, 2013, 12:23:23 pm »

Wait, quick question, has anyone claimed doctor?

My night action would be rather.. Personally fatal, if there isn't ._.
But I have a strong feeling there is, seeing as someone was either healed, mafia didn't try, or mafia did try, but it didn't work.

Think we should start dragging claims in?
*shrug*
It's not up to me, that's why I'm asking.

No one has claimed.
But as you mentioned we have one missing nightkill, so there is likely there exists a role that can stop kills, like a Doctor.

I am not sure if massclaims is a good idea.
I remember Innovation.The last game Archeype modded. Scum had a PR-stealing action that would have been very strong after a massclaim.
Scum could have something in this game too, that makes massclaim a bad idea.
Since town is in such good shape, I think that we should refrain from claiming today.
Sounds good.

Like chairs said, claiming doctor would be 'interesting', but very likely harmful to town.
So yeah, unless we need too, I feel as well that we shouldn't do much claiming.
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« Reply #486 on: November 22, 2013, 12:24:18 pm »

OH! And one last thing.

We may need to be wary of the idea of a renegade, or whatever you guys call it on forums.
Where they win if you lynch them.

So any purposeful scummy behavior we should at least be cautious of.
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« Reply #487 on: November 22, 2013, 12:50:17 pm »

We may need to be wary of the idea of a renegade, or whatever you guys call it on forums.
Where they win if you lynch them.

So any purposeful scummy behavior we should at least be cautious of.

Seriously, this exists? Holy cow, if I wanted to get lynched I could so get lynched without breaking a sweat. That seems like a totally dumb role.
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« Reply #488 on: November 22, 2013, 12:50:45 pm »

We may need to be wary of the idea of a renegade, or whatever you guys call it on forums.
Where they win if you lynch them.

So any purposeful scummy behavior we should at least be cautious of.

Seriously, this exists? Holy cow, if I wanted to get lynched I could so get lynched without breaking a sweat. That seems like a totally dumb role.

Maybe it's Voltgloss...
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #489 on: November 22, 2013, 12:52:24 pm »

So, mail-mi, do you need to get a town consensus to make your shot, or are you just wanting help with the decision?

Also, we have some major lurking going on.  There is the bunch of us talking actively, and then the bunch that aren't.  Besides Voltgloss, who seems to be MIA, there is Morgrim, Xerxes, Box and chairs who have popped in briefly lately, but really been in the background for most of the game. 

I haven't heard of that renegade role either.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #490 on: November 22, 2013, 01:16:36 pm »

OH! And one last thing.

We may need to be wary of the idea of a renegade, or whatever you guys call it on forums.
Where they win if you lynch them.

So any purposeful scummy behavior we should at least be cautious of.

Jester, I think, is the common name around here.
And I think there is consensus on f.ds that jesters should not appear outside of bastard games, so we do not need to worry about that.
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« Reply #491 on: November 22, 2013, 01:46:28 pm »

OH! And one last thing.

We may need to be wary of the idea of a renegade, or whatever you guys call it on forums.
Where they win if you lynch them.

So any purposeful scummy behavior we should at least be cautious of.

Jester, I think, is the common name around here.
And I think there is consensus on f.ds that jesters should not appear outside of bastard games, so we do not need to worry about that.
Aah, I see.
Yeah, that's a pretty common thing for me in real life mafia.
I wasn't sure whether or not that was the case for the forums.
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« Reply #492 on: November 22, 2013, 02:08:10 pm »

Box, who do you think mail-mi should target?
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« Reply #493 on: November 22, 2013, 02:38:32 pm »

Box, who do you think mail-mi should target?
Mail-mi?

Hm. I dunno.
There really isn't much information to go off of, and I know there isn't much to go on for, either.
Before we take any action against Voltglass, we should probably poke him, get his attention, etc.

Currently, my other other 'gut' suspicion is Faust.
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« Reply #494 on: November 22, 2013, 02:38:46 pm »

Box, who do you think mail-mi should target?
Mail-mi?

Hm. I dunno.
There really isn't much information to go off of, and I know there isn't much to go on for, either.
Before we take any action against Voltglass, we should probably poke him, get his attention, etc.

Currently, my other other 'gut' suspicion is Faust.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #495 on: November 22, 2013, 03:24:31 pm »

So, I'll do a quick reads list as well.

From scum to town:

BoxOfDOG: Contentless up until the last few posts (after being called out for it). Advocating a mass claim (and, specifically, a doctor claim). Suspecting me (OMGUS alert!). Scum read.

pingpongsam: Feels off. The off-wagon thing I don't hold against him, but the way he defended it later seemed scummy (like "but how can you suspect me for that? I did it specifically to look townie"-scummy). Doesn't want to be targeted by mail-mi. Medium scum read.

Morgrim7: Null. Lurking.

Voltgloss: going to be replaced. Null until now.

xeiron: Acts pro-town generally, but I'm still a little suspicious. Null.

xerxes: Also null.

chairs: Agreed to be targeted by mail-mi. Slight town read.

EFHW, Jimmmmm: likely town for reasons already stated.

mail-mi: Town.
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« Reply #496 on: November 22, 2013, 03:38:27 pm »

Actually, I agreed to be targeted by mail-mi. I suggest otherwise because I'd rather a Mafia dies and we keep mail-mi. But if it makes you feel better go ahead and kill mail-mi to prove how off base you are.
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« Reply #497 on: November 22, 2013, 03:48:47 pm »

So, I'll do a quick reads list as well.

From scum to town:

BoxOfDOG: Contentless up until the last few posts (after being called out for it). Advocating a mass claim (and, specifically, a doctor claim). Suspecting me (OMGUS alert!). Scum read.

pingpongsam: Feels off. The off-wagon thing I don't hold against him, but the way he defended it later seemed scummy (like "but how can you suspect me for that? I did it specifically to look townie"-scummy). Doesn't want to be targeted by mail-mi. Medium scum read.

Morgrim7: Null. Lurking.

Voltgloss: going to be replaced. Null until now.

xeiron: Acts pro-town generally, but I'm still a little suspicious. Null.

xerxes: Also null.

chairs: Agreed to be targeted by mail-mi. Slight town read.

EFHW, Jimmmmm: likely town for reasons already stated.

mail-mi: Town.
No.. Actually a bit of a coincidence.
I actually found time in my day to get on, and decided to post.

Being called out had nothing to do with me posting.

Nor did I advocate a mass claim. I was asking if that was a viable course of action.
Soon after, Xeiron noted that it's probably not.

The only valid thing on your scum-read about me is your OMGUS.
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« Reply #498 on: November 22, 2013, 03:50:07 pm »

It's not even valid if you consider that faust is scum.
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« Reply #499 on: November 22, 2013, 03:50:27 pm »

So, I'll do a quick reads list as well.

From scum to town:

BoxOfDOG: Contentless up until the last few posts (after being called out for it). Advocating a mass claim (and, specifically, a doctor claim). Suspecting me (OMGUS alert!). Scum read.

pingpongsam: Feels off. The off-wagon thing I don't hold against him, but the way he defended it later seemed scummy (like "but how can you suspect me for that? I did it specifically to look townie"-scummy). Doesn't want to be targeted by mail-mi. Medium scum read.

Morgrim7: Null. Lurking.

Voltgloss: going to be replaced. Null until now.

xeiron: Acts pro-town generally, but I'm still a little suspicious. Null.

xerxes: Also null.

chairs: Agreed to be targeted by mail-mi. Slight town read.

EFHW, Jimmmmm: likely town for reasons already stated.

mail-mi: Town.
No.. Actually a bit of a coincidence.
I actually found time in my day to get on, and decided to post.

Being called out had nothing to do with me posting.

Nor did I advocate a mass claim. I was asking if that was a viable course of action.
Soon after, Xeiron noted that it's probably not.

The only valid thing on your scum-read about me is your OMGUS.
Oh! Wait.
You're accusing ME of OMGUS.

No, never mind then, nothing there is applicable to me.
I don't really care that you voted for me, seeing as you only did it for inactivity.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #500 on: November 22, 2013, 03:51:36 pm »

So faust seems to know with some certainty that Voltgloss is being replaced.

Wonder if that got announced to the scum team because Voltgloss was one of them?
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« Reply #501 on: November 22, 2013, 03:52:15 pm »

So faust seems to know with some certainty that Voltgloss is being replaced.

Wonder if that got announced to the scum team because Voltgloss was one of them?

It was in the Mafia game index I think.
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« Reply #502 on: November 22, 2013, 03:53:57 pm »

Ah, so it was. Thought I had an epic scumslip on the table.
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« Reply #503 on: November 22, 2013, 03:55:04 pm »

It's not even valid if you consider that faust is scum.
Wait, what do you mean?
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« Reply #504 on: November 22, 2013, 03:58:43 pm »

It's not even valid if you consider that faust is scum.
Wait, what do you mean?

I mean that if faust is scum then calling your vote on him OMGUS is disingenuous. It was a twice removed way of insinuating that faust may well be scum.
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« Reply #505 on: November 22, 2013, 05:46:12 pm »

I've made my decision. I've got a badish gut feel on EFHW and if she's town she's good.

Desperado: EFHW

Goodbye! (probably)
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« Reply #506 on: November 22, 2013, 05:47:47 pm »

So, mail-mi, do you need to get a town consensus to make your shot, or are you just wanting help with the decision?

Also, we have some major lurking going on.  There is the bunch of us talking actively, and then the bunch that aren't.  Besides Voltgloss, who seems to be MIA, there is Morgrim, Xerxes, Box and chairs who have popped in briefly lately, but really been in the background for most of the game. 

I haven't heard of that renegade role either.

I'm trying not to lurk too much, since it hurts Town, but work has to take priority (and I don't have much access outside of it).

I've made my decision. I've got a badish gut feel on EFHW and if she's town she's good.

Desperado: EFHW

Goodbye! (probably)

I think this was a good choice of target and would not be surprised if you survive the shot.

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« Reply #507 on: November 22, 2013, 05:57:51 pm »

I've made my decision. I've got a badish gut feel on EFHW and if she's town she's good.

Desperado: EFHW

Goodbye! (probably)

Definitely not my first choice.

If she's scum you've saved us big time, but I'm pretty sure she's Town and this is a mistake.
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« Reply #508 on: November 22, 2013, 05:59:08 pm »

I've made my decision. I've got a badish gut feel on EFHW and if she's town she's good.

Desperado: EFHW

Goodbye! (probably)

Definitely not my first choice.

If she's scum you've saved us big time, but I'm pretty sure she's Town and this is a mistake.

Based on prior Neighbor experiences (thinking M31) I think mail-mi's power benefits going after one of the neighbors (in this case, either EFHW or yourself) and I have the bigger townread on you.

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« Reply #509 on: November 22, 2013, 06:00:27 pm »

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #510 on: November 22, 2013, 06:07:08 pm »

EFHW has been stabbed and killed. She was Maleficent, the Witch-aligned 2-shot Watcher.

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« Reply #511 on: November 22, 2013, 06:08:01 pm »

EFHW has been stabbed and killed. She was Maleficent, the Witch-aligned 2-shot Watcher.

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« Reply #512 on: November 22, 2013, 06:08:22 pm »

How many factions ARE there?  :o

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« Reply #513 on: November 22, 2013, 06:11:40 pm »

Holy crap. I am eating my words and they are mighty delicious.

Well done mail-mi! :D
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #514 on: November 22, 2013, 06:13:32 pm »

Wow, great shot, mail-mi.

I had a massive town read on EFHW.

I have considered the possibility there are no Mafia and possibly no scum teams, that all of scum is flying solo.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #515 on: November 22, 2013, 06:13:55 pm »

That was a dangerous Neighbourhood to be in. And to think I was thinking of full-claiming to EFHW!
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« Reply #516 on: November 22, 2013, 06:14:50 pm »

If there are little to no scum teams then it stands to reason that mail-mi doesn't gain 100% IC status for such a great shot. I'm still hugely grateful for it and it would take serious incrimination for me to vote him.
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« Reply #517 on: November 22, 2013, 06:15:53 pm »

What? What? What? YESSSSSS!
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #518 on: November 22, 2013, 06:18:15 pm »

mail-mi, do you have any reason to believe that you were personally selected for your role/character?

That EFHW was a witch (a stereotypically female role) makes me think there may be some value in analyzing the person for their role.

I have good reason to believe my role was tailor-selected just for me personally.
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« Reply #519 on: November 22, 2013, 06:19:28 pm »

mail-mi, do you have any reason to believe that you were personally selected for your role/character?

That EFHW was a witch (a stereotypically female role) makes me think there may be some value in analyzing the person for their role.

I have good reason to believe my role was tailor-selected just for me personally.

I seriously doubt it and hope not in a non-Bastard game.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #520 on: November 22, 2013, 06:20:43 pm »

vote: jimmmmm

Theory: Neighbor QT of differently-aligned scum.

mail-mi, do you have any reason to believe that you were personally selected for your role/character?

That EFHW was a witch (a stereotypically female role) makes me think there may be some value in analyzing the person for their role.

I have good reason to believe my role was tailor-selected just for me personally.
In an ironic way, yes.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #521 on: November 22, 2013, 06:24:54 pm »

vote: jimmmmm

Theory: Neighbor QT of differently-aligned scum.

Not a terrible theory, but wrong.
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« Reply #522 on: November 22, 2013, 06:32:19 pm »

Vote: Jimmmmm

Theory: Wolverine is wolf-aligned.

Also, I too considered the neighbor QT was all scum.
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« Reply #523 on: November 22, 2013, 06:33:35 pm »

..Huh.

*clap*
Good job, Mail-mi!

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #524 on: November 22, 2013, 06:35:02 pm »

Vote Count 2.2

Jimmmmm (3) mail-mi, pingpongsam, BoxOfDog
BoxOfDog (2) faust, Jimmmmm
Not Voting (5) Morgrim7, Voltgloss, xeiron, XerxesPraelor, chairs

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« Reply #525 on: November 22, 2013, 06:35:27 pm »

Congrats, mail mi! vote jummmm
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« Reply #526 on: November 22, 2013, 06:36:01 pm »

vote: jimmmm. Sorry. Phone posting
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #527 on: November 22, 2013, 06:37:05 pm »

Well yeah, I totally understand the votes on me. I guess my defense is, again, it's never that simple.

I am unequivocally Town. Not sure how I'm going to convince you of that, so I guess I'll start thinking about claiming. Obviously let me claim if and when the time comes.

mail-mi, what made you choose EFHW?
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« Reply #528 on: November 22, 2013, 06:37:37 pm »

Vote Count 2.2

Jimmmmm (3) mail-mi, pingpongsam, BoxOfDog
BoxOfDog (2) faust, Jimmmmm
Not Voting (6) Morgrim7, EFHW, Voltgloss, xeiron, XerxesPraelor, chairs

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Presumably EFHW should not be listed here?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #529 on: November 22, 2013, 06:38:27 pm »

Vote Count 2.2

Jimmmmm (3) mail-mi, pingpongsam, BoxOfDog
BoxOfDog (2) faust, Jimmmmm
Not Voting (6) Morgrim7, EFHW, Voltgloss, xeiron, XerxesPraelor, chairs

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Presumably EFHW should not be listed here?

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #530 on: November 22, 2013, 06:40:20 pm »

And with Morgrim's vote I am on L-2.

Does anyone have any non-setup-related reasons to vote me? I'd love to discuss them.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #531 on: November 22, 2013, 06:40:40 pm »

So, with 10 alive does it only take 5 to lynch? If so Jimmmmm is L-1.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #532 on: November 22, 2013, 06:41:06 pm »

So, with 10 alive does it only take 5 to lynch? If so Jimmmmm is L-1.

No, a majority is needed, so 6.
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« Reply #533 on: November 22, 2013, 06:41:31 pm »

Jimmmmm, who is your preferred lynch candidate for today, and why?
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« Reply #534 on: November 22, 2013, 06:43:25 pm »

Jimmmmm, who is your preferred lynch candidate for today, and why?

Hmm good question.

Really not a lot of actual scumhunting has been going on this game, which I'm just as guilty of as anyone else. We've got plenty of time, 8 days, so while I don't have an answer to this yet, I will by deadline.
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« Reply #535 on: November 22, 2013, 06:47:45 pm »

Yeah, we do have way too much time and way too little info to be pressing a lynch right now.

That said, scum have got to be scarce at this point so we are going to have a harder time finding them. I'm trying hard to let go of the fantasy that we will win a flawless Town game.
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« Reply #536 on: November 22, 2013, 06:50:12 pm »

Yeah, we do have way too much time and way too little info to be pressing a lynch right now.

That said, scum have got to be scarce at this point so we are going to have a harder time finding them. I'm trying hard to let go of the fantasy that we will win a flawless Town game.

Hmm yes, very rarely have we had 2 scum die before any Town. I highly doubt the remaining scum will be as easy to catch. The worst thing we can do is to mislynch without forcing people to express actual opinions.
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« Reply #537 on: November 22, 2013, 06:54:46 pm »

Unvote

FoS: Box and Morgrim

for jumping the Jimmmmm wagon so quickly. (note: while I followed mail-mi, I actually created my post without seeing his vote first and submitted it without noting a PPE but just including the note about the shared QT).
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« Reply #538 on: November 22, 2013, 06:56:48 pm »

(note: while I followed mail-mi, I actually created my post without seeing his vote first and submitted it without noting a PPE but just including the note about the shared QT).

That was 12 minutes later. Please check your PPEs. Failing to do so is how hammers go derp.
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« Reply #539 on: November 22, 2013, 07:15:53 pm »

Yeah, what I meant was that I didn't note a PPE in my post. I did see the warning and read the posts and thus included the bit about neighborhood QT and slightly reworded my reasoning to match his with the "theory:" bit.

What I am saying is I didn't get the notion to vote Jimmmmm from sheeping mail-mi but I also didn't submit the vote blind to previous posts.
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« Reply #540 on: November 22, 2013, 07:18:36 pm »

Yeah, what I meant was that I didn't note a PPE in my post. I did see the warning and read the posts and thus included the bit about neighborhood QT and slightly reworded my reasoning to match his with the "theory:" bit.

What I am saying is I didn't get the notion to vote Jimmmmm from sheeping mail-mi but I also didn't submit the vote blind to previous posts.

Ah gotcha. So you knew mail-mi voted for me when you posted, but not when you typed up your post.
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« Reply #541 on: November 22, 2013, 07:19:15 pm »

So, does any of our QT flavor make any more sense with the information gained from discovering EFHW's role/alignment and a significant portion of mail-mi's role?
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« Reply #542 on: November 22, 2013, 07:23:39 pm »

The bit I posted of my QT indicates curses related to a "him" and EFHW/Maleficient is decidedly female despite the cursing angle.
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« Reply #543 on: November 22, 2013, 07:29:14 pm »

Maybe we have a Merryweather, but that, too is female.

I am inclined to post the entirety of my QT because A) I can't make heads or tails of it and it has some specifically spelled words and what may or may not be intentional grammatical errors and B) scum has to be thin and I think maybe there is no Mafia to speak of.

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« Reply #544 on: November 22, 2013, 08:19:16 pm »

Or we could just stop playing the game for 3 days.
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« Reply #545 on: November 23, 2013, 02:25:59 am »

Unvote

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Ah, yeah, I get it.

I had the same feeling about my post as well, right after posting it.
But all the evidence with literally right out before me, and it only took a matter of seconds for me to go back a bit and see what exactly I was jumping onto.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #546 on: November 23, 2013, 05:47:56 am »

mail-mi, do you have any reason to believe that you were personally selected for your role/character?

That EFHW was a witch (a stereotypically female role) makes me think there may be some value in analyzing the person for their role.

I have good reason to believe my role was tailor-selected just for me personally.

This doesn't seem to make much sense to me. I'm Rapunzel, remember?
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« Reply #547 on: November 23, 2013, 06:56:17 am »

A thought that occurred: If Voltgloss is scum and absent to execute the NK and there are no other scum then any lynch today is a mislynch.
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« Reply #548 on: November 23, 2013, 06:56:54 am »

mail-mi, do you have any reason to believe that you were personally selected for your role/character?

That EFHW was a witch (a stereotypically female role) makes me think there may be some value in analyzing the person for their role.

I have good reason to believe my role was tailor-selected just for me personally.

This doesn't seem to make much sense to me. I'm Rapunzel, remember?

Do you have long hair IRL?
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« Reply #549 on: November 23, 2013, 07:32:42 am »

mail-mi, do you have any reason to believe that you were personally selected for your role/character?

That EFHW was a witch (a stereotypically female role) makes me think there may be some value in analyzing the person for their role.

I have good reason to believe my role was tailor-selected just for me personally.

This doesn't seem to make much sense to me. I'm Rapunzel, remember?

Do you have long hair IRL?

Actually, I do, but I don't think anyone in these forums knows.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #550 on: November 23, 2013, 07:37:06 am »

By the way, great shot, mail-mi. I didn't see this coming.

Right now, my preferred option is a lurker lynch. Our chances of hitting scum again are really low, and a lurker lynch is probably the best mislynch for us. (And who knows - it might hit scum.)

I also have some reason to believe that Jimmmmm is town. It's not super-strong, but better than nothing, so I won't jump that wagon.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #551 on: November 23, 2013, 08:37:32 am »

I also have some reason to believe that Jimmmmm is town. It's not super-strong, but better than nothing, so I won't jump that wagon.

Anything you can do to help that won't give too much away?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #552 on: November 23, 2013, 09:16:01 am »

Considering these things barely move on the weekend and then there will be very limited posting for Thanksgiving we are looking at Monday/Tuesday for any real action.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #553 on: November 23, 2013, 09:17:31 am »

I also have some reason to believe that Jimmmmm is town. It's not super-strong, but better than nothing, so I won't jump that wagon.

Anything you can do to help that won't give too much away?

Well, I think I have an idea what your role might be, based on my clue. But it's maybe better not to out this.
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« Reply #554 on: November 23, 2013, 09:18:16 am »

Is anyone's role related to being a king or the son of a king?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #555 on: November 23, 2013, 11:49:42 am »

Well done, mail-mi!

It is natural to look closer at Jimm after EFHW flipped scum, but I am not convinced he is a good lynch.
I would expect that the people in a neighborhood does not know eachother's alignment. If I am right it would mean that Jimm is either town or a third scumfaction.
Three scumfactions sounds a little too much for me. At least three possible nightkills sounds too much, so if there are more factions, there are probably factions without a (full) nightkill.
I think it is more probable that Jimm is town.

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« Reply #556 on: November 23, 2013, 11:52:01 am »

Right, I don't think EFHW had NK ability. Scum doesn't necessarily have to be NK capable.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #557 on: November 23, 2013, 11:54:40 am »

Also, at this point, it is most probable that any 1 person is Town. Hell, practically all setups with everyone alive it is most probable that any 1 person is town. To say that it is most probable that Jimmmmm is town is stating the obvious. The probability of a mislynch is much higher as scum dies. The probability that 2 scum are dead on D2 with no N1 NK is the notable improbability that came to fruition.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #558 on: November 23, 2013, 06:51:31 pm »

You are right probability is against us today. That is the downside of doing well. I still wouldn't lynch jimm. I think a boxed lunch would be better.

Resons to lynch boxofdog.
I have had a townread on him in all other games i remember him playing in. I do not in this game.
He seems to have problems with stating independent reads.  As in the I-am-scum-and-thus-know-all-alignments-and-have-trouble-with-faking-reads-so-I-rather-give-as-few-as-possible way. He has so far stated scumreads on faust and voltgloss, but without a explanation.
He jumps on the easy wagons. Ashersky D1, and Jimm D2.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #559 on: November 23, 2013, 06:59:44 pm »

Well, I find it hard to separate scum behaviour from typical BoxOfDOG behaviour (and he hasn't been scum yet, so I don't know how he would play then). But yeah, his playstyle is rather anti-town, so even if he is a mislynch, he's probably among the better ones.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #560 on: November 23, 2013, 07:20:48 pm »

Why not xerxes or morgrim?

They don't seem to be contributing and are wagon jumping.

What makes Box a better lunch than those 2?
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« Reply #561 on: November 23, 2013, 09:54:30 pm »

Well...for one, BoxofDog is confirmed town to me, cause I copped him.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #562 on: November 23, 2013, 10:06:39 pm »

Well...for one, BoxofDog is confirmed town to me, cause I copped him.

So you're a Cop? You get Town/non-Town results? Why did you choose to investigate Box?
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« Reply #563 on: November 24, 2013, 01:47:51 am »

Well...for one, BoxofDog is confirmed town to me, cause I copped him.

Well...for one, BoxofDog is confirmed town to me, cause I copped him.

So you're a Cop? You get Town/non-Town results? Why did you choose to investigate Box?

+1, would ask for details again.

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« Reply #564 on: November 24, 2013, 02:08:43 am »

Well...for one, BoxofDog is confirmed town to me, cause I copped him.

Well...for one, BoxofDog is confirmed town to me, cause I copped him.

So you're a Cop? You get Town/non-Town results? Why did you choose to investigate Box?

+1, would ask for details again.

Sorry what?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #565 on: November 24, 2013, 02:46:57 am »

Why not xerxes or morgrim?

They don't seem to be contributing and are wagon jumping.

What makes Box a better lunch than those 2?

I chose Box, because I have developed a scumread on him of late. I am null on morgrim (+some townpoints for the copclaim) and have a slight townread on xerxes from D1.
Of course, the copclaim changes things, and now I will not lynch box unless morgrim flip not-cop.
unvote:

Also noticed in the rules that prods are not issued automaticly. Can we have a prod on Voltgloss?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #566 on: November 24, 2013, 05:33:11 am »

With the Cop claim, I think I'll unvote. The claim seems a little strange to come now, but alright, if Morgrim is still alive tomorrow, we can deal with that.

So I tried to find another feasible lynch. I still think we should rather target lurking players. So Voltgloss I'll leave out because of the replacement request. I reread chairs, and something caught my attention:

What alignment are you claiming here?

This is chairs' reaction to ashersky's claim. Now we know that this is some sort of multi-ball setup. Maybe chairs is scum who doesn't know who his partners are? Good enough to vote: chairs, because why would town ask this?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #567 on: November 24, 2013, 05:38:01 am »

I'll sheep that.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #568 on: November 24, 2013, 05:50:31 am »

I thought chairs' was a reasonable question. ash's claim was confusing.
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« Reply #569 on: November 24, 2013, 09:10:58 am »

/// Voltgloss - being replaced. Could possibly be scum and we are all deciding which of our town selves to kill because scum isn't actually present ///

The following list is ordered from Towny to Scummy on my radar:

mail-mi - I'm reserving him Town status for now. His play was definitely pro-town but it doesn't earn IC.

Jimmmmm - Pro-town play all around. Jimmmmm was onto both EFHW and ashersky which is exceptionally good play regardless of his alignment.  I will allow that he isn't Witch or Wof aligned. He could easily be Mafia. I am my most pro-town when I am scum precisely because I know where I can be and how to avoid looking scummy.

XerxesPraelor - well, this guy is not putting much out there to work with. He's staying off wagons entirely. He's definitely more interested in defending self than scum hunting. He's a noob at the game so I cut him lots of slack. There has been a clue that corresponds with something in my QT that suggests he may be friend. Otherwise I'd have him ranked far lower. The clue is not something I feel comfortable revealing today. Basedon the current game state I think tomorrow may be appropriate. Without the clue I'd vote him to pressure something out of him. So, xerxes, if you're reading this start talking.

chairs - what meta I have on mafia!chairs is that he loves to be on a wagon. chairs sheeped me on Jimmmmm early but I beleive he saw a scumslip same as I. He was rightly on ashersky,everyone but a Wolf was rightly on ashersky. His question about his alignment was perfectly sound and in line with garnering information for Town. Mafia would know quite well that ashersky wasn't Mafia. If chairs is scum then Jimmmmm is town thus the ordering.

Morgrim7 - ah, morgrim.... wtf. This guy is the archetypical wild-card. He's the proverbial box-of-chocolates. The cop-claim. Holy hell, claiming cop while under zero pressure to do so?! If I had copped someone as clean in RMM I would consider my read with a grain of salt. I'd also make some kind of defense that didn't outright broadcast arguably the strongest possible Town role. But, I'm not Morgrim and I can see Morgrim nonchalantly claiming cop just for the fun of it. The claim protonates an otherwise null read which is what I generally have on Morgrim. It's a great scum ploy if you're scum, Morgrim. I'm not sure that if I were the doctor I'd follow you right now, I think your claim was entirely premature.

faust - faust is always on the critical side as Town. questions everything and everyone regardless. he develops independent reads and sticks with them even when other wagons are forming. Made a believable claim that is evidenced to be true. I had actually categorized faust as likely scum ranked lower when I started this list but upon research he fits his meta. I'll give him more of a null read at this juncture.

xeiron - I am very uneasy here. There seems to be some genuine scum-hunting. But look, if there are multiple scum factions then those factions are definitely scum-hunting too. If there is a Mafia then they are in just as good of shape as Town right now. If xeiron were say, EFHW's witch partner (and I believe that a Watcher role would require a partner) then his scum-hunting is not necessarily in Town's best interests. xeiron and faust seem to be attached at the hip in how they are voting and analyzing the game. I could see them being a scum pair except the mailman bit contradicts them having a shared QT.

BoxOfDog - I've only seen Box as town. He looks just like town box. meta aside, he strikes me as a liability to his alignment regardless of his alignment. thus, if he is town he is a liability to me and losing him isn't a big deal. If he is not Town then I want him dead. I really want to see this guy step up his game someday. His current style makes him an easy lynch any day by any alignment. He reminds me of early Morgrim not in style but just in the sense that he is the easy lynch for being a liability.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #570 on: November 24, 2013, 09:13:14 am »

Jimmmmm - Pro-town play all around. Jimmmmm was onto both EFHW and ashersky which is exceptionally good play regardless of his alignment.  I will allow that he isn't Witch or Wof aligned. He could easily be Mafia. I am my most pro-town when I am scum precisely because I know where I can be and how to avoid looking scummy.

If you mean I thought they were both scum, I definitely didn't think EFHW was scum.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #571 on: November 24, 2013, 09:15:56 am »

No, but when I read your interactions you certainly are not protecting her and are playing pro-town game. Me, I read as her town and left her alone entirely. I would be an easy read as her partner. I will note that she intelligently side-stepped the calls for her to be shot by mail-mi. Kudos again to mail-mi for reading that right.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #572 on: November 24, 2013, 09:18:01 am »

Since Box is the easy lynch and I read faust as Townier than xeiron and faust actually put a reason behind his Box vote while xeiron outright sheeped it I Vote: xeiron.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #573 on: November 24, 2013, 09:18:51 am »

I already had one vote overlooked this game so let me put that where the mod is more likely to see it.

Vote: xeiron
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #574 on: November 24, 2013, 10:29:49 am »

Is anyone's role related to being a king or the son of a king?
Mine is not.
I think everybody should answer this question.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #575 on: November 24, 2013, 10:32:43 am »

Is anyone's role related to being a king or the son of a king?
Mine is not.
I think everybody should answer this question.

Mint is not.
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« Reply #576 on: November 24, 2013, 10:33:06 am »

Is anyone's role related to being a king or the son of a king?
Mine is not.
I think everybody should answer this question.

Mint is not.

Mine*.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #577 on: November 24, 2013, 10:43:20 am »

Vote Count 2.3

Jimmmmm (3) mail-mi, BoxOfDog, Morgrim7
BoxOfDog (1) Jimmmmm
Xeiron (1) pingpongsam
Chairs (2) Faust, Xeiron

Not Voting (3) Voltgloss, XerxesPraelor, chairs

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends on November 30th at 11:00 PM.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #578 on: November 24, 2013, 10:51:21 am »

Is anyone's role related to being a king or the son of a king?
Mine is not.
I think everybody should answer this question.

Mint is not.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #579 on: November 24, 2013, 12:12:00 pm »

Is anyone's role related to being a king or the son of a king?

I have info regarding what you're talking about it, but I'm worried revealing the info would hurt the town. Can you explain what info you have about it?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #580 on: November 24, 2013, 12:15:49 pm »

*cracks knuckles*

Alright. Fine.

I'll ask my own question.
Jimmmmm, don't take this as an OMGUS, or anything other than a question.. But what is keeping your vote on me, with Morgrim's cop on me?
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« Reply #581 on: November 24, 2013, 12:17:35 pm »

*cracks knuckles*

Alright. Fine.

I'll ask my own question.
Jimmmmm, don't take this as an OMGUS, or anything other than a question.. But what is keeping your vote on me, with Morgrim's cop on me?

A bad memory. Unvote
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #582 on: November 24, 2013, 12:23:44 pm »

*cracks knuckles*

Alright. Fine.

I'll ask my own question.
Jimmmmm, don't take this as an OMGUS, or anything other than a question.. But what is keeping your vote on me, with Morgrim's cop on me?

A bad memory. Unvote
Haha! Alright.
My other suspicions aside, what about Xerxes?

I haven't seen him been exactly.. Helpful, to the town.
His scum-hunting, if he did any, wasn't very noticeable, and feels a bit off the radar to me.
(Let's just.. Ignore me being a hypocrite at this moment..)

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #583 on: November 24, 2013, 12:48:07 pm »

Is anyone's role related to being a king or the son of a king?

I have info regarding what you're talking about it, but I'm worried revealing the info would hurt the town. Can you explain what info you have about it?

Hmmm, here is the relevant portion of my QT concerning the king and his son:
he wishes for his wife to return to him again. His daughters have all married off or were lost in the fold. His only son has suffered much deceit and deception and no grandchildren can be called his own.

You have anything to add to that?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #584 on: November 24, 2013, 01:13:23 pm »

Okay, my suspicions are relieved. I will flavor claim now, if nobody has anty objections?
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« Reply #585 on: November 24, 2013, 04:46:56 pm »

Okay, my suspicions are relieved. I will flavor claim now, if nobody has anty objections?
I would prefere if you do not claim. The reson is that I think our flavour is related. If you flavour is related to someone, it is probably me, and we both knows what we should do without discussing this in public.
If your flavor is not related to someone else I would still be careful about claiming. If it helps us catch scum, sure, go ahead, but if not, it is just more info leaking out. We should try to avoid having to much info leaking before a massclaim because it might give scum a greater information advantage than necessary.

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« Reply #586 on: November 24, 2013, 05:14:08 pm »

I am in favor of the willing claiming. Town should be at a sufficient advantage that claims aren't as damaging as they might be otherwise.

I am unwilling to claim today but would consider it tomorrow when it will be clear why.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #587 on: November 24, 2013, 05:39:33 pm »

I am in favor of the willing claiming. Town should be at a sufficient advantage that claims aren't as damaging as they might be otherwise.

I am unwilling to claim today but would consider it tomorrow when it will be clear why.
I'll claim tomorrow as well if I manage to.. not.. die ._.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #588 on: November 24, 2013, 05:49:18 pm »

Massclaims? It might be a good idea. With two dead scum we are in unusual good shape. Our biggest problem is lack of activity. A massclaim will give us something to talk about and migh help us catch scum as a bonus.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #589 on: November 25, 2013, 02:06:58 am »

Massclaims? It might be a good idea. With two dead scum we are in unusual good shape. Our biggest problem is lack of activity. A massclaim will give us something to talk about and migh help us catch scum as a bonus.

No, no, no massclaims. Not today, at least. Remember M31, when a massclaim D2 helped scum to win? Let's not have that happen here.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #590 on: November 25, 2013, 02:40:07 am »

You think our flavor is related?

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« Reply #591 on: November 25, 2013, 03:57:38 am »

You think our flavor is related?

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I can't think of another good guy character related to me.

Seems pretty sheepy.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #592 on: November 25, 2013, 06:11:56 am »

No, I don't have anything against a massclaim, especially since there are so few scum left, I assume. I just think that given the flavor I've read, and the flavor in my VT, there doesn't seem to be any other protagonists.

My character is Prince Charming. I'm worried that snow white is scum because of "His only son has suffered much deceit and deception and no grandchildren can be called his own.". Am I missing somebody? I'm keeping my vote.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #593 on: November 25, 2013, 06:21:57 am »

The more I hear about flavour the more I think that at least some of it is potentially misleading. Not in a deceptive way, but in the sort of way where after the game we'll all be like, "Ohhh! I didn't think of it that way!" I don't think we should read too much into the flavour.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #594 on: November 25, 2013, 06:45:08 am »

My vote on xeiron was confirmed for his wanting a massclaim but not to single claim himself. That xerxes followed faust on that isn't necessarily sheeping. I think xeiron showed his colors with his call for a massclaim, too.

xerxes, who were you talking to when you asked, "You think our flavor is related?", and what prompted that question?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #595 on: November 25, 2013, 07:11:53 am »

Xeiron, that's why I voted.

"The reson is that I think our flavour is related"
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #596 on: November 25, 2013, 07:26:23 am »

My vote on xeiron was confirmed for his wanting a massclaim but not to single claim himself. That xerxes followed faust on that isn't necessarily sheeping. I think xeiron showed his colors with his call for a massclaim, too.

xerxes, who were you talking to when you asked, "You think our flavor is related?", and what prompted that question?

I asks for opinions about a massclaim before claiming myself, because if there is a majority against claiming I do not want to claim alone yet.

This post:
You think our flavor is related?

Vote: Xeiron

I can't think of another good guy character related to me.
is a response to his one:
Okay, my suspicions are relieved. I will flavor claim now, if nobody has anty objections?
I would prefere if you do not claim. The reson is that I think our flavour is related. If you flavour is related to someone, it is probably me, and we both knows what we should do without discussing this in public.
If your flavor is not related to someone else I would still be careful about claiming. If it helps us catch scum, sure, go ahead, but if not, it is just more info leaking out. We should try to avoid having to much info leaking before a massclaim because it might give scum a greater information advantage than necessary.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #597 on: November 25, 2013, 10:02:28 am »

Right now I still think a jimmmm lynch is as good as any lynch, and we should not mass claim.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #598 on: November 25, 2013, 10:13:56 am »

Vote Count 2.4

Jimmmmm (2) mail-mi, Morgrim7
Xeiron (3) pingpongsam, faust, Xerxes
Chairs (1) Xeiron

Not Voting (4) Voltgloss, chairs, BoxOfDog, Jimmmmm

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« Reply #599 on: November 25, 2013, 10:16:12 am »

Vote Count 2.4

Jimmmmm (2) mail-mi, Morgrim7
Xeiron (3) pingpongsam, faust, Xerxes
Chairs (1) Xeiron

Not Voting (2) Voltgloss, chairs

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #600 on: November 25, 2013, 10:18:21 am »

Considering Voltgloss is not actually in the game is it fair that he weights the vote count required for lynch?
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« Reply #601 on: November 25, 2013, 10:19:25 am »

Also, Jimmmmm was left but I think he is not voting.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #602 on: November 25, 2013, 10:20:21 am »

Right now I still think a jimmmm lynch is as good as any lynch, and we should not mass claim.

Refresh my memory, outside of setup, what is the case on Jimmmmm?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #603 on: November 25, 2013, 10:23:45 am »

Fair enough.

Since Voltgloss and his role are in limbo, he has been removed from the Vote Count and the game entirely until a replacement has been found.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #604 on: November 25, 2013, 10:24:28 am »

Vote Count 2.5

Jimmmmm (2) mail-mi, Morgrim7
Xeiron (3) pingpongsam, faust, Xerxes
Chairs (1) Xeiron

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #605 on: November 25, 2013, 11:58:02 am »

Right now I still think a jimmmm lynch is as good as any lynch, and we should not mass claim.

Refresh my memory, outside of setup, what is the case on Jimmmmm?

Not much. It's mostly setup.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #606 on: November 25, 2013, 11:59:38 am »

Right now I still think a jimmmm lynch is as good as any lynch, and we should not mass claim.

Refresh my memory, outside of setup, what is the case on Jimmmmm?

Not much. It's mostly setup.

Not much or nothing?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #607 on: November 25, 2013, 01:12:45 pm »

I would very much like Xeiron to flavor claim. If you do, I can't think of a way it would hurt us very much, and it would make you a lot less scummy. Also, explain why you thought our flavor was related. This is important.
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« Reply #608 on: November 25, 2013, 02:39:12 pm »

Right now I still think a jimmmm lynch is as good as any lynch, and we should not mass claim.

Refresh my memory, outside of setup, what is the case on Jimmmmm?

Not much. It's mostly setup.

Not much or nothing?

bad feelings too.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #609 on: November 25, 2013, 03:15:53 pm »

I don't feel good about Jimmmmm, either. My gut feels are terrible, though. I am learning to work with what I have and not what I feel. That said, mail-mi's feelings have proven really spot on for this game.
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« Reply #610 on: November 25, 2013, 06:27:32 pm »

I would very much like Xeiron to flavor claim. If you do, I can't think of a way it would hurt us very much, and it would make you a lot less scummy. Also, explain why you thought our flavor was related. This is important.

I guess I should.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #611 on: November 25, 2013, 07:01:22 pm »

Okay, I see things have progressed since I was on...

With the Cop claim, I think I'll unvote. The claim seems a little strange to come now, but alright, if Morgrim is still alive tomorrow, we can deal with that.

So I tried to find another feasible lynch. I still think we should rather target lurking players. So Voltgloss I'll leave out because of the replacement request. I reread chairs, and something caught my attention:

What alignment are you claiming here?

This is chairs' reaction to ashersky's claim. Now we know that this is some sort of multi-ball setup. Maybe chairs is scum who doesn't know who his partners are? Good enough to vote: chairs, because why would town ask this?

I'm Town, but I was curious because of the way he stated his claim (I don't recall the exact words, but he had a funny way of saying he was scum).



I'll sheep that.
vote: chairs.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #612 on: November 25, 2013, 07:01:59 pm »

Oh, also, I have no intention of flavor claiming in this game; it can do nothing but harm to Town if I do so.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #613 on: November 25, 2013, 09:21:39 pm »

Let us note that if Volt was Town his removal equates to a D1 NK that provided zero information.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #614 on: November 26, 2013, 07:11:50 am »

Vote Count 2.5

Jimmmmm (2) mail-mi, Morgrim7
Xeiron (3) pingpongsam, faust, Xerxes
Chairs (1) Xeiron

Not Voting (3) chairs, BoxOfDog, Jimmmmm


This looks familiar. When scum agrees to stay off wagons we get this kind of deadlock.

Suppose scum is not voting waiting for Town to mis-lynch. chairs, Box, Jimmmmm = scumteam?

My main argument against this analysis (aside with the incredibility of calling a whole team) is that I have a hard time believing we have 3 scum remaining. Those would be some very tall odds for Town, but then if the Witch and the Wolf were around to be self-interested they would be looking to hit Mafia (or other faction) to get the Town cred and of course increase their odds of winning. Mafia may be ina very supreme position indeed since Town has eliminated the competition?

chairs did firm up mail-mi's decision to target EFHW instead of Jimmmmm, Jimmmmm, well I'm just damned suspicious of the guy because I think he is going to play well regardless of alignment. Box, he's an easy lynch but maybe with some coaching by Jimmmmm he's a good smokescreen for the others?

So, anyway that is my early morning analysis on the current votes with the rest of the game not moving.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #615 on: November 26, 2013, 08:51:01 am »

I think we really need information or something to happen. There are a ton of people not voting for anyone, and we can't get anything done that way. I'd be willing to switch my vote to Jimm for sheepy reasons, but really, can chairs, box, and jimm please give your read lists, at least?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #616 on: November 26, 2013, 09:05:36 am »

Xerxes, do your flavour mention sleeping beauty? Or snow white?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #617 on: November 26, 2013, 10:31:52 am »

Neither, and since your flavor seems plausible, Unvote.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #618 on: November 26, 2013, 10:32:16 am »

Thanks for flavor claiming, though. That was really helpful.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #619 on: November 26, 2013, 11:01:55 am »

I would very much like Xeiron to flavor claim. If you do, I can't think of a way it would hurt us very much, and it would make you a lot less scummy. Also, explain why you thought our flavor was related. This is important.

I guess I should.
I am sleeping beauty, and I am waiting for a prince to come by.

If you don't mind, I would like everyone to answer the following question:

Is your flavor character associated to the color red?

I understand the question, and yes, my character is.
Townpoints for Faust.

How is sleeping beauty associated to the color red?
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« Reply #620 on: November 26, 2013, 11:47:38 am »


How is sleeping beauty associated to the color red?

1. Roses. Sleeping beauty is also called Little Brier-Rose, and is assosiated with roses.
2. Blood. As she pricked her finger on a spinney.
3. Sleeping beauty is the disney princess wearing a red (actualy pink) dress.

This and the fact that I expected someone to look for me made me believe you were talking about me.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #621 on: November 26, 2013, 12:01:00 pm »

Suppose scum is not voting waiting for Town to mis-lynch. chairs, Box, Jimmmmm = scumteam?

This seems just so strange. Box was copped by Morgrim and found not guilty (although I hope Morgrim will be back soon to provide more details). I am quite sure that Jimmmmm is town, for reasons that I don't want to reveal until tomorrow. chairs, now I can see chairs being mafia. But you seem to do everything to keep our lynch pool as broad as possible, with suspecting Box and Morgrim. Vote: PPS for that.
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« Reply #622 on: November 26, 2013, 12:41:29 pm »

Fair enough. In my defense I'm simply trying to not tunnel.

I feel I am a good town mislynch. My role could prove very useful or it could be a real liability. I think my purpose is better served through D3, however.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #623 on: November 26, 2013, 01:18:41 pm »

Oh.. Poosicles.

I entirely forgot about this yesterday.
Alright.

Xeiron, you seem to be in the thick of it.
Care to give us a larger and more complex defense?
All in one post, preferably.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #624 on: November 26, 2013, 03:44:43 pm »

I guess I'll just throw this out there - I'm a certain flavor of cop that's significantly weaker than normal cop.  Last night I copped EFHW, hence my agreement that EFHW was a solid choice of target, without being sure (because my cop power isn't nearly as certain as a normal cop).

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« Reply #625 on: November 26, 2013, 04:44:25 pm »

I guess I'll just throw this out there - I'm a certain flavor of cop that's significantly weaker than normal cop.  Last night I copped EFHW, hence my agreement that EFHW was a solid choice of target, without being sure (because my cop power isn't nearly as certain as a normal cop).

Why did you say that?
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« Reply #626 on: November 26, 2013, 04:47:19 pm »

I guess I'll just throw this out there - I'm a certain flavor of cop that's significantly weaker than normal cop.  Last night I copped EFHW, hence my agreement that EFHW was a solid choice of target, without being sure (because my cop power isn't nearly as certain as a normal cop).

Why did you say that?

Because I felt like the below was PPS lining up an excuse to vote for me; which I suppose means I should consider him a bit scummy for, since Town doesn't have to line up votes.

Vote Count 2.5

Jimmmmm (2) mail-mi, Morgrim7
Xeiron (3) pingpongsam, faust, Xerxes
Chairs (1) Xeiron

Not Voting (3) chairs, BoxOfDog, Jimmmmm


This looks familiar. When scum agrees to stay off wagons we get this kind of deadlock.

Suppose scum is not voting waiting for Town to mis-lynch. chairs, Box, Jimmmmm = scumteam?

My main argument against this analysis (aside with the incredibility of calling a whole team) is that I have a hard time believing we have 3 scum remaining. Those would be some very tall odds for Town, but then if the Witch and the Wolf were around to be self-interested they would be looking to hit Mafia (or other faction) to get the Town cred and of course increase their odds of winning. Mafia may be ina very supreme position indeed since Town has eliminated the competition?

chairs did firm up mail-mi's decision to target EFHW instead of Jimmmmm, Jimmmmm, well I'm just damned suspicious of the guy because I think he is going to play well regardless of alignment. Box, he's an easy lynch but maybe with some coaching by Jimmmmm he's a good smokescreen for the others?

So, anyway that is my early morning analysis on the current votes with the rest of the game not moving.

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« Reply #627 on: November 26, 2013, 04:49:45 pm »

xeiron, Jimmmm, can you please remind me of your role and/or flavor claims, if any?

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #628 on: November 26, 2013, 04:53:23 pm »

xeiron, Jimmmm, can you please remind me of your role and/or flavor claims, if any?

Flavor claim: sleeping beauty. (see previous page)
I will also roleclaim now.
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« Reply #629 on: November 26, 2013, 05:08:57 pm »

If I were going to vote chairs I would have. My vote is still firmly on xeiron.

I'm not "lining up votes", I'm scumhunting, you know looking for where scum might be indicated.

Calling me scummy and voting me for scumhunting... well what do you make of yourselves?
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« Reply #630 on: November 26, 2013, 05:15:26 pm »

I am a innocent child!
This will be modconfirmed later in the game. At latest in D4

I have some thoughts about who to lynch. I will post them in 12-24 hours.
Before that I want as many as possible of you to post who you see as viable lynch candidates.

And unvote:
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« Reply #631 on: November 26, 2013, 05:33:40 pm »

I am a innocent child!
This will be modconfirmed later in the game. At latest in D4

I have some thoughts about who to lynch. I will post them in 12-24 hours.
Before that I want as many as possible of you to post who you see as viable lynch candidates.

And unvote:

When exactly will you be modconfirmed?
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« Reply #632 on: November 26, 2013, 05:40:49 pm »

I am a innocent child!
This will be modconfirmed later in the game. At latest in D4

I have some thoughts about who to lynch. I will post them in 12-24 hours.
Before that I want as many as possible of you to post who you see as viable lynch candidates.

And unvote:

When exactly will you be modconfirmed?
At the start of D3 or D4. I need the help of a prince for D3.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #633 on: November 26, 2013, 05:42:54 pm »

I am a innocent child!
This will be modconfirmed later in the game. At latest in D4

I have some thoughts about who to lynch. I will post them in 12-24 hours.
Before that I want as many as possible of you to post who you see as viable lynch candidates.

And unvote:
I will figure that out when I get home.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #634 on: November 26, 2013, 05:48:03 pm »

Well, interesting.

I'd say at the very least I can say my would not lynch list:

chairs, xeiron, mail-mi

For obvious reasons, I don't want to self-lynch (I'm not a jester, for chrissakes) and both mail-mi and xeiron come off towny from Today's effects.  Also, I believe we had someone claim to be Prince Charming, who should kiss the Sleeping Beauty to wake her.  Whomever that was is off my list, too, though I'll have to review to find who (faust, maybe?).  I'll get on tonight if I can drag myself away from doting girlfriend long enough and see about ordering lynch preferences, but offhand I'd say that I don't think Jimmmm is likely to be scum, it seems too convenient to throw all the scum in a neighbor QT.  So there's a 4th person on my POE for today's lynch.

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« Reply #635 on: November 26, 2013, 06:23:00 pm »

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #636 on: November 26, 2013, 06:25:42 pm »

There seems to be some confusion as to who claimed what, so I'll do a summary.

pingpongsam

he wishes for his wife to return to him again. His daughters have all married off or were lost in the fold. His only son has suffered much deceit and deception and no grandchildren can be called his own.

ashersky - Wolf-aligned 'Big Bad' Godfather/Ninja. Lynched Day 1.

The post office gets busy around the holidays. Especially with the throngs of people clamoring at the doors. “Can’t you see we’re closed every other day?” The grizzled owner always says in reply to the constant banging. But some packages must be delivered. Some deliveries must be received. However, others can wait until morning. And what a morning the following day was! Someone was killed! And not just anyone- the shopkeeper! A bullet-sized hole piercing his skin and going clean through. Such a close-up attack will not go unnoticed. On the bright side, the post office is finally open on Tuesdays.

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mail-mi - Desperado

The view from the edge of the forest is one to behold. Looking deep into it, you can see the thicket of massive trees and the few berry bushes decorating the land. An axe resides in the forest and threatens to destroy the colossal foliage. Two others are present, as well. Though their story isn’t discussed until later.

faust - 'Rapunzel' REDACTED Ascetic 4-shot Mailman

Legend has it that the world will die as quickly as it was born. By the hands of a silent and solo killer, his body stained an ugly red from the blood of it’s dead victims. He will murder again if one doesn’t stand up for what is write.

xeiron - 'Sleeping Beauty'

XerxesPraelor - 'Prince Charming'

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Jimmmmm - 'The Woodcutter'

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #637 on: November 26, 2013, 06:29:23 pm »

claims on the table:
mail-mi - ascetic
morgrim - cop
chairs - cop
xeiron - ic
faust - mailman

definitely town:
pps

apparently irrelevant:
voltgloss

who is left:
Jimmmmm (supposedly copped by morgrim)
xerxes
box

So, my scum pool is either faust (mailman is non-alignment), xerxes and box or we have a liar.
Which do you people think is more likely?


PPE - faust just did a bit more intense review than I
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #638 on: November 26, 2013, 06:31:30 pm »

and my whole QT:

A king sits in his throne staring out the window. He reflects on all the terrible things he’s done to reach such an important title. His methods are just like his window - painless. But that doesn’t mean they aren’t harmful. And now, after all this time, he wishes for his wife to return to him again. His daughters have all married off or were lost in the fold. His only son has suffered much deceit and deception and no grandchildren can be called his own. No advisers around to captain his decisions. All certainly could’ve be stopped a single golden touch. His curse is what started all this terror and turmoil, and it is that which will soon end it all.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #639 on: November 26, 2013, 06:33:11 pm »

Your list is wrong, PPS. mail-mi didn't claim ascetic, I did. Morgrim claimed to have copped Box, not Jimmmmm.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #640 on: November 26, 2013, 06:37:37 pm »

chairs, do you think it would hurt town if you full-claimed?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #641 on: November 26, 2013, 06:39:53 pm »

okay, so then...

Will not lynch (today): chairs, Jimmmm, Box, Morgrim, xeiron, Xerxes, mail-mi
Uh... i guess won't lynch?: Voltgloss

Left: faust, pingpongsam

Is that right?

pingpongsam: do you claim to be the king in the passage?




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chairs, do you think it would hurt town if you full-claimed?

Unfortunately, yes.  I can't explain how my cop variant functions without removing its functionality.

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« Reply #642 on: November 26, 2013, 06:40:17 pm »

I can state this: I'm basically a flavor cop.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #643 on: November 26, 2013, 06:48:11 pm »

I am not the king. I took my QT as warning that the king was scum.

I will claim when I am L-1.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #644 on: November 26, 2013, 06:52:41 pm »

I suspect that, for flavor reasons, I may be able to "convert" the king to Town, should he be scum.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #645 on: November 26, 2013, 06:52:53 pm »

Seriously everyone, get your votes in! This Day is not going to last much longer, and I fear with all this weird American holiday thingy we won't get lots of posts till the deadline. So we need a lynch.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #646 on: November 26, 2013, 07:03:54 pm »

Well, through POE, I'm either voting for you or PPS, which is where I'm trying hard not to be horribly stumped.  Neither of you has done anything that's screamed "OH GOD LYNCH ME".

vote: faust.  I think you're ever-so-slightly more likely to be scum than PPS.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #647 on: November 26, 2013, 07:28:39 pm »

Vote: Jimmmmm

Going by my previous outline I consider faust's mailings pro-town. Xerxes' clue leads me to believing he is town. Everyone else has made a claim that should make them town. Unfortunately there is no way to prove it. If I were picking a liar then we have a box/morgrim scum pair.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #648 on: November 26, 2013, 07:39:16 pm »

Well, through POE, I'm either voting for you or PPS, which is where I'm trying hard not to be horribly stumped.  Neither of you has done anything that's screamed "OH GOD LYNCH ME".

vote: faust.  I think you're ever-so-slightly more likely to be scum than PPS.

Well, this is a reasonable vote, and if PPS is also town, then his power is likely more useful than mine. Still, it would be neat if I had another night at expense. I still need to write one letter... And of course I'd prefer to actually lynch scum.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #649 on: November 26, 2013, 07:39:39 pm »

Vote Count 2.6

Jimmmmm (3) mail-mi, Morgrim7, pingpongsam
Xeiron (1) faust
Chairs (1) Xeiron
faust (1) chairs

Not Voting (3) BoxOfDog, Jimmmmm, XerxesPraelor

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« Reply #650 on: November 26, 2013, 10:19:27 pm »

Well, through POE, I'm either voting for you or PPS, which is where I'm trying hard not to be horribly stumped.  Neither of you has done anything that's screamed "OH GOD LYNCH ME".

vote: faust.  I think you're ever-so-slightly more likely to be scum than PPS.

Well, this is a reasonable vote, and if PPS is also town, then his power is likely more useful than mine. Still, it would be neat if I had another night at expense. I still need to write one letter... And of course I'd prefer to actually lynch scum.

Oh right, you're the mailman!  For some reason, even with the recent claim list, it slipped my mind as to how awesome that plan was.

vote: pingpongsam

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #651 on: November 26, 2013, 11:17:18 pm »

1. pingpongsam
5. mail-mi--IC
6. faust--Mail-miman, doesn't seem scummy, and has another night to be useful.
7. xeiron--Sleeping Beauty, already had malificent, so probably town.
8. XerxesPraelor
9. BoxOfDog--cleared by morgrim
10. Jimmmmm
11. Morgrim7--cop
12. chairs--almostcop


So it looks like my lynch pool is Jimmmmm, Xerxes, and PPS
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #652 on: November 27, 2013, 03:22:43 am »

Yes I am cop and I chose BoD cause he was scummy and looking like a good lynch. I wanted to confirm it. I'm keeping my vote on Jimmm for now....
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #653 on: November 27, 2013, 04:21:18 am »

Yes I am cop and I chose BoD cause he was scummy and looking like a good lynch. I wanted to confirm it. I'm keeping my vote on Jimmm for now....

So your role is just "Cop"? What is your flavor name?
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« Reply #654 on: November 27, 2013, 12:52:41 pm »

Seconding that.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #655 on: November 27, 2013, 01:34:45 pm »

Some thoughts about the lynch pool.
Players not to lynch:

Xeiron - IC

Morgrim7 - Claimed cop. Should live for some days. We can try to decide whether he is lying or not at a later point when we have more results.

Chairs - Claimed flavor cop. Same as morgrim.

BoxofDog - Innocent by morgrim's cop result. Should no be lynched unless morgrim flip scum.

mail-mi - killed scum. Probably town.

pingpongsam - I had a scumread on him some time ago. I think he has been townier of late, so that gives me about a nullread on him. We lynched Ashersky, a stabile top poster, D1 and we are noticing the consequences. PPS have been the player doing most to keep activity up D1. I am afraid mislynching PPS will drop the activity level even further. While lynching him is bad, he will make a great cop target.

Xerxes - Claimed prince. I have no guarantees the prince is town, but I want to keep hm around, at least one more day, because of the interactions he have with me.


Players I could lynch.

Faust - claimed mailman. I think Faust have played pro-town, and seems to be using his role and flavor for scumhunting purposes. I have a town-read on faust, but I see no other reason not to lynch him. He has a decent chance of flipping scum, and a mislynch would not hurt much.

Jimmmmm - Has not been acting especially scummy, but upon re-reading I do not find anything that convinces me that he is town either. Neighbor with two scum. The theory of a all-scum neighborhood is a good one, and while it might not be true, I will remain suspicious of Jim because of that, until he flips, or we have a investigative result on him. My top lynch target.

Voltgloss - Absent, but is becoming scummier and scummier by POE. The only one remaining when almost everyone else seems to be town. Reasons to lynch him would be that a lynch would solve the issue of a inactive player if there is no replacement. And a missing mafia is also a possible explanation of the missing night-kill. The reason not to lynch him is that it would be a blind lynch, ie. He might have a important role, that we would recognize as be obvious bad if he had been here to claim.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #656 on: November 27, 2013, 01:41:49 pm »

I think we should consider a voltgloss lynch, actually.  I understand that real life gets in the way, but POE is leaving precious few people.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #657 on: November 27, 2013, 01:59:43 pm »

I think at this stage Volt needs to either be modkilled or replaced. It's not really fair to us to just have him as a non-posting entity.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #658 on: November 27, 2013, 02:08:16 pm »

A replacement has been sought after since the beginning of Day 2. However, no one has been willing to swap in.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #659 on: November 27, 2013, 03:00:55 pm »

I'm going to try a way I think will work to activate Xeiron's thing. I have a not-very-useful, possibly one-shot, night action to do it with.

I suspect morgrim and jimmm the most: I know claiming cop is kind of risky, but given that town already has a cop in chairs, and that a nerfed cop is more likely given all the roles we have here, morgrim is looking pretty suspicious. I don't want to lynch him now, though. A second copping result could be very helpful, so I'll wait a bit.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #660 on: November 27, 2013, 03:23:34 pm »

When Archetype said he had removed Voltgloss from the game "entirely" I interpreted that to mean that were he the only scum Town would have won and that if there were other scum and we killed all but Voltgloss we would win.  Thus, unless the mod indicates otherwise I think a Voltgloss lynch is the worst possible lynch.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #661 on: November 27, 2013, 04:31:16 pm »

Voltgloss can still be lynched/targeted with night actions/etc. bu until he has been replaced he will be off of Vote Counts and can not use his own power.
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« Reply #662 on: November 27, 2013, 04:32:36 pm »

ashersky has offered to replace Voltgloss and will be joining you all shortly.
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« Reply #663 on: November 27, 2013, 04:33:05 pm »

ashersky has offered to replace Voltgloss and will be joining you all shortly.

Awesome! Thanks ash!
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #664 on: November 27, 2013, 04:33:27 pm »

When Archetype said he had removed Voltgloss from the game "entirely" I interpreted that to mean that were he the only scum Town would have won and that if there were other scum and we killed all but Voltgloss we would win.  Thus, unless the mod indicates otherwise I think a Voltgloss lynch is the worst possible lynch.

If there is only one scum left, then I agree with you. But I think there is still two scum out there.
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« Reply #665 on: November 27, 2013, 04:36:16 pm »

I think ash taking Volt's spot is a good indication that Wolf ash didn't have any partners.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #666 on: November 27, 2013, 04:39:26 pm »

I think ash taking Volt's spot is a good indication that Wolf ash didn't have any partners.
I was thinking the same.
The other possibility is that Ash and Volt was scumpartners.
There is simply no way Ashersky would sub in as town if he had scumpartners still alive.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #667 on: November 27, 2013, 04:52:25 pm »

When Archetype said he had removed Voltgloss from the game "entirely" I interpreted that to mean that were he the only scum Town would have won and that if there were other scum and we killed all but Voltgloss we would win.  Thus, unless the mod indicates otherwise I think a Voltgloss lynch is the worst possible lynch.

If there is only one scum left, then I agree with you. But I think there is still two scum out there.
Then it is possible that Voltgloss is one of them.

Yeah that's what I was saying. Voltgloss may be one but if he were entirely removed from the game and the game continues then there is another scum. At this point we have no information on Voltgloss so it is still bad lynch. We need a flip on someone active in the game for the information.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #668 on: November 27, 2013, 05:05:39 pm »

Hey guys, I'm back!  On the winning side this time!

I was the only wolf, so I have no extra info.

vote: chairs until he can convince me there are multiple flavor cops in a set up like this.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #669 on: November 27, 2013, 05:11:17 pm »

I was the only wolf, so I have no extra info.

Pretty sure you shouldn't be saying this or using any information you gained when you were a wolf.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #670 on: November 27, 2013, 05:12:45 pm »

I was the only wolf, so I have no extra info.

Pretty sure you shouldn't be saying this or using any information you gained when you were a wolf.

Discussed with arch.  I've actually asked that he mod confirm it.  To me, it is the only way I can fairly sub in.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #671 on: November 27, 2013, 05:14:00 pm »

I was the only wolf, so I have no extra info.

Pretty sure you shouldn't be saying this or using any information you gained when you were a wolf.

Discussed with arch.  I've actually asked that he mod confirm it.  To me, it is the only way I can fairly sub in.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #672 on: November 27, 2013, 05:34:13 pm »

Yes I am cop and I chose BoD cause he was scummy and looking like a good lynch. I wanted to confirm it. I'm keeping my vote on Jimmm for now....

For what it's worth, Morgrim's claim didn't feel like a fake one to me.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #673 on: November 27, 2013, 05:37:14 pm »

Some thoughts about the lynch pool.
Players not to lynch:

Xeiron - IC

Morgrim7 - Claimed cop. Should live for some days. We can try to decide whether he is lying or not at a later point when we have more results.

Chairs - Claimed flavor cop. Same as morgrim.

BoxofDog - Innocent by morgrim's cop result. Should no be lynched unless morgrim flip scum.

mail-mi - killed scum. Probably town.

pingpongsam - I had a scumread on him some time ago. I think he has been townier of late, so that gives me about a nullread on him. We lynched Ashersky, a stabile top poster, D1 and we are noticing the consequences. PPS have been the player doing most to keep activity up D1. I am afraid mislynching PPS will drop the activity level even further. While lynching him is bad, he will make a great cop target.

Xerxes - Claimed prince. I have no guarantees the prince is town, but I want to keep hm around, at least one more day, because of the interactions he have with me.


Players I could lynch.

Faust - claimed mailman. I think Faust have played pro-town, and seems to be using his role and flavor for scumhunting purposes. I have a town-read on faust, but I see no other reason not to lynch him. He has a decent chance of flipping scum, and a mislynch would not hurt much.

Jimmmmm - Has not been acting especially scummy, but upon re-reading I do not find anything that convinces me that he is town either. Neighbor with two scum. The theory of a all-scum neighborhood is a good one, and while it might not be true, I will remain suspicious of Jim because of that, until he flips, or we have a investigative result on him. My top lynch target.

Voltgloss - Absent, but is becoming scummier and scummier by POE. The only one remaining when almost everyone else seems to be town. Reasons to lynch him would be that a lynch would solve the issue of a inactive player if there is no replacement. And a missing mafia is also a possible explanation of the missing night-kill. The reason not to lynch him is that it would be a blind lynch, ie. He might have a important role, that we would recognize as be obvious bad if he had been here to claim.

To break it down further:

Known, or possibly known town: xeiron, mail-mi, ashersky
Good chance of being town: Morgrim, BoxofDOG (or they are a team?)
Null:  PPS, xerxes, Jimmmmm (on Jimmmmm specifically, I think he's either definitely another scum faction and the Neighborhood with the Wolf and the Witch was a joint scum thing where no one knew they the other was scum; or he was the lone town in a dangerous forest)
Scummy: Faust, because mailman is more often a scum role; chairs, because I am pretty sure his claim is a lie.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #674 on: November 27, 2013, 06:03:53 pm »

Hey guys, I'm back!  On the winning side this time!

I was the only wolf, so I have no extra info.

vote: chairs until he can convince me there are multiple flavor cops in a set up like this.

Morgrim claimed cop, not flavor cop, which I'd argue makes Morgrim actually more likely to be scum given that this is RMM.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #675 on: November 27, 2013, 06:06:47 pm »

Hey guys, I'm back!  On the winning side this time!

I was the only wolf, so I have no extra info.

vote: chairs until he can convince me there are multiple flavor cops in a set up like this.

Morgrim claimed cop, not flavor cop, which I'd argue makes Morgrim actually more likely to be scum given that this is RMM.

Not a bad point on Morgrim, I suppose.

But I'm talking about there being two flavor cops.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #676 on: November 27, 2013, 06:41:05 pm »

Flavor name is Tom Thumb.
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« Reply #677 on: November 27, 2013, 06:44:25 pm »

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I was the only wolf, so I have no extra info.

vote: chairs until he can convince me there are multiple flavor cops in a set up like this.

Morgrim claimed cop, not flavor cop, which I'd argue makes Morgrim actually more likely to be scum given that this is RMM.

Not a bad point on Morgrim, I suppose.

But I'm talking about there being two flavor cops.

My argument is that there are not two flavor cops.

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« Reply #678 on: November 27, 2013, 06:45:16 pm »

Flavor name is Tom Thumb.

With regards to your cop role, what sort of results do you get (can you advise if you get them in town/mafia, town/not-town, friendly/not-friendly, etc)?

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« Reply #679 on: November 27, 2013, 06:56:14 pm »

Town/not town
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« Reply #680 on: November 27, 2013, 06:56:54 pm »

P.S. If the person I cop isn't town, I die. So seeing as though I'm still alive...
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #681 on: November 27, 2013, 07:31:43 pm »

Hey guys, I'm back!  On the winning side this time!

I was the only wolf, so I have no extra info.

vote: chairs until he can convince me there are multiple flavor cops in a set up like this.

Morgrim claimed cop, not flavor cop, which I'd argue makes Morgrim actually more likely to be scum given that this is RMM.

Not a bad point on Morgrim, I suppose.

But I'm talking about there being two flavor cops.

My argument is that there are not two flavor cops.

Then you fake claimed.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #682 on: November 27, 2013, 07:33:59 pm »

'Big Bad' was the only Wolf-aligned player. Mod confirmed.
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« Reply #683 on: November 27, 2013, 10:50:47 pm »

P.S. If the person I cop isn't town, I die. So seeing as though I'm still alive...

Did you tell us that Day 1?
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« Reply #684 on: November 27, 2013, 11:13:30 pm »

P.S. If the person I cop isn't town, I die. So seeing as though I'm still alive...

Did you tell us that Day 1?
i don't remember telling you, no.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #685 on: November 27, 2013, 11:56:44 pm »

willing to lynch chairs, faust or Jimmmmm

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #686 on: November 28, 2013, 12:14:48 am »

willing to lynch chairs, faust or Jimmmmm

very limited access but will try to check in.

Those are my exact three as well, as noted in my reads post.  I think that's the exact order I prefer, too.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #687 on: November 28, 2013, 01:57:33 am »

Flavor name is Tom Thumb.

How is the role Cop related to that flavor?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #688 on: November 28, 2013, 02:01:33 am »

Also, hi ashersky! Seeing that Voltgloss' spot is now taken, we need to consider ashersky as a lynch. The fact that Voltgloss wasn't modkilled right away and we instead had this long wait to me indicates that Voltgloss was scum (killing off a townie at this stage doesn't hurt much). Then again, I guess it's bad to vote for meta reasons. But neither of Voltgloss/ash has done anything to convince me they are town.
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« Reply #689 on: November 28, 2013, 02:04:55 am »

In fact, vote: ashersky. POE doesn't leave me much other choice.
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« Reply #690 on: November 28, 2013, 02:07:51 am »

Due to replacement issues and Thanksgiving, is it possible to extend the deadline for a few days?
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« Reply #691 on: November 28, 2013, 02:37:13 am »

In fact, vote: ashersky. POE doesn't leave me much other choice.

You realize you've given me like eight hours of irl consideration?  Also, did you have a scum read on volt pre-disappearance?

Or is this a frantic omgus because I've called you out for having a scum role, and PPS has picked up on it, so you need to try to push the sensible mislynch that no one can blame you for since you are trying to figure out the mod?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #692 on: November 28, 2013, 02:38:36 am »

Flavor name is Tom Thumb.

How is the role Cop related to that flavor?

Exactly.
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« Reply #693 on: November 28, 2013, 02:40:55 am »

Hey guys, I'm back!  On the winning side this time!

I was the only wolf, so I have no extra info.

vote: chairs until he can convince me there are multiple flavor cops in a set up like this.

Morgrim claimed cop, not flavor cop, which I'd argue makes Morgrim actually more likely to be scum given that this is RMM.

Not a bad point on Morgrim, I suppose.

But I'm talking about there being two flavor cops.

My argument is that there are not two flavor cops.

Then you fake claimed.
Is this a confusing way of claiming flavor cop?
Vote: Ashersky Everyone else seems to be a bad lynch except for Morgrim, and since everyone believes him and probably won't vote now, he'll have to wait till later.

Ashersky, if you're town don't oppose this. If you really are a flavor cop, that will be revealed upon your death and we will be able to narrow the lynch pool down to chairs and morgrim, which is worth your death, suspicious as you are.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #694 on: November 28, 2013, 02:42:36 am »

Willing to lynch: Morgrim, Ashersky
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #695 on: November 28, 2013, 02:44:27 am »

Hey guys, I'm back!  On the winning side this time!

I was the only wolf, so I have no extra info.

vote: chairs until he can convince me there are multiple flavor cops in a set up like this.

Morgrim claimed cop, not flavor cop, which I'd argue makes Morgrim actually more likely to be scum given that this is RMM.

Not a bad point on Morgrim, I suppose.

But I'm talking about there being two flavor cops.

My argument is that there are not two flavor cops.

Then you fake claimed.
Is this a confusing way of claiming flavor cop?
Vote: Ashersky Everyone else seems to be a bad lynch except for Morgrim, and since everyone believes him and probably won't vote now, he'll have to wait till later.

Ashersky, if you're town don't oppose this. If you really are a flavor cop, that will be revealed upon your death and we will be able to narrow the lynch pool down to chairs and morgrim, which is worth your death, suspicious as you are.

PPE: 2

Really?  If I'm town, lay down and die?  No, that's a hopeless scum thing.

Yes, I am calling out chairs's fake claim for what it is.  Fake.  A lie.  Gobbledygook.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #696 on: November 28, 2013, 02:45:45 am »

Chairs and Faust are tops of the lynch list.  Xerxes I know little of, so I don't know how to react to his ridiculous suggestion.
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« Reply #697 on: November 28, 2013, 02:46:58 am »

Willing to lynch: Morgrim, Ashersky

And you are willing to lynch the claimed cop who no one has counter claimed but you support the claim flavor cop who has been counter claimed?  SCUMMY.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #698 on: November 28, 2013, 02:50:34 am »

Side note: new PM, new hints.

Anyone have any rope?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #699 on: November 28, 2013, 03:08:50 am »

In fact, vote: ashersky. POE doesn't leave me much other choice.

You realize you've given me like eight hours of irl consideration?  Also, did you have a scum read on volt pre-disappearance?

Or is this a frantic omgus because I've called you out for having a scum role, and PPS has picked up on it, so you need to try to push the sensible mislynch that no one can blame you for since you are trying to figure out the mod?

Sorry, right now we have less than three days till the deadline. Things need to get moving, which is why I voted.
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« Reply #700 on: November 28, 2013, 03:10:04 am »

Side note: new PM, new hints.

Anyone have any rope?

Well, I guess my hair would function as rope, if that helps...
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« Reply #701 on: November 28, 2013, 03:11:06 am »

Willing to lynch: Morgrim, Ashersky

And you are willing to lynch the claimed cop who no one has counter claimed but you support the claim flavor cop who has been counter claimed?  SCUMMY.

Oh, somehow I missed that what you posted was a counterclaim. In that case, vote: chairs
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« Reply #702 on: November 28, 2013, 03:47:51 am »

can we have a vote count? Ashersky, are you able to state how exactly your flavor cop works and also what was wrong with my argument?

Also, two people claiming the same thing means one of them is a scum, and chairs has seemed less scummy over all than you have, so that's why I'm voting for you.

One more thing: Tom Thumb is completely unrelated to the cop role, and I find there being one normal cop and one special cop to be more unbelievable than having two special cops with different restrictions. Morgrim is suspicious because of that.
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« Reply #703 on: November 28, 2013, 03:49:52 am »

ashersky, do you have a result from N1?
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« Reply #704 on: November 28, 2013, 04:10:03 am »

Voltgloss had already disappeared and did not submit a night action on N1.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #705 on: November 28, 2013, 04:24:46 am »

I am Robin Hood.  I target a player and steal something related to their flavor. 


I'd like to hear how Tom Thumb makes any sense.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #706 on: November 28, 2013, 04:26:48 am »

I am Robin Hood.  I target a player and steal something related to their flavor. 


I'd like to hear how Tom Thumb makes any sense.

Well, that makes a lot of sense with what EFHW revealed from her flavor. So I guess I'll believe you for now.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #707 on: November 28, 2013, 05:38:46 am »

I have no idea who Tom Thumb is. Just saying. Also, if you need rope, please don't use hair. I have some.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #708 on: November 28, 2013, 11:27:19 am »

Vote Count 2.7

Jimmmmm (3) mail-mi, Morgrim7, pingpongsam
Chairs (3) Xeiron, ashersky, faust
pingpongsam (1) chairs
ashersky (2) faust, XerxesPraelor

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #709 on: November 28, 2013, 11:30:38 am »

I have no idea who Tom Thumb is. Just saying. Also, if you need rope, please don't use hair. I have some.

Tom Thumb is tiny. Any rope he has is unlikely to be useful for any normal sized person. I guess it could be magic.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #710 on: November 28, 2013, 11:58:17 am »

Hey guys, I'm back!  On the winning side this time!

I was the only wolf, so I have no extra info.

vote: chairs until he can convince me there are multiple flavor cops in a set up like this.

Morgrim claimed cop, not flavor cop, which I'd argue makes Morgrim actually more likely to be scum given that this is RMM.

Not a bad point on Morgrim, I suppose.

But I'm talking about there being two flavor cops.

My argument is that there are not two flavor cops.

Then you fake claimed.

You're telling me that we have somebody else claiming flavor cop?  Morgrim did not claim flavor cop.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #711 on: November 28, 2013, 12:00:52 pm »

I am Robin Hood.  I target a player and steal something related to their flavor. 


I'd like to hear how Tom Thumb makes any sense.

Aha, now we're on the same page.

I am (REDACTED).  I am a Thieving Inventor.  Every Night I give a player an item (that I believe gives them a 1-shot power) and in return I steal an item related to their flavor.  Revealing my flavor would remove my ability to steal the item.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #712 on: November 28, 2013, 12:03:18 pm »

Either Archetype made a mistake or faust has a role that gives him double-voting power.
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« Reply #713 on: November 28, 2013, 12:10:51 pm »

Either Archetype made a mistake or faust has a role that gives him double-voting power.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #714 on: November 28, 2013, 12:13:49 pm »

Vote Count 2.8

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #715 on: November 28, 2013, 12:40:35 pm »

I am Robin Hood.  I target a player and steal something related to their flavor. 


I'd like to hear how Tom Thumb makes any sense.

Aha, now we're on the same page.

I am (REDACTED).  I am a Thieving Inventor.  Every Night I give a player an item (that I believe gives them a 1-shot power) and in return I steal an item related to their flavor.  Revealing my flavor would remove my ability to steal the item.

Who received an item from you last night?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #716 on: November 28, 2013, 12:43:39 pm »

I have no idea who Tom Thumb is. Just saying. Also, if you need rope, please don't use hair. I have some.

Vote: Morgrim

My PM is pretty detailed about who my character is. Also, this:


- This game is so flavorful it's ridiculous. However, you don't have to know the fairytale beforehand to fully use the role (though I suggest you at least look it up).
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #717 on: November 28, 2013, 12:46:37 pm »

Vote Count 2.8

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Chairs (3) Xeiron, ashersky, faust
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Not Voting (2) BoxOfDog, Jimmmmm

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I believe there are now 10 alive and thus it takes 6 to lynch. Also, Archetype, did you read my request?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #718 on: November 28, 2013, 12:47:58 pm »

Also chairs, what did you steal from EFHW?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #719 on: November 28, 2013, 12:49:08 pm »

Vote Count 2.8

Jimmmmm (3) mail-mi, Morgrim7, pingpongsam
Chairs (3) Xeiron, ashersky, faust
pingpongsam (1) chairs
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I believe there are now 10 alive and thus it takes 6 to lynch. Also, Archetype, did you read my request?

Nevermind, I saw the deadline change. Well that's not much, but better than nothing I guess...?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #720 on: November 28, 2013, 02:32:32 pm »

Also chairs, what did you steal from EFHW?

Choosing a dead target is a normal part of a scum fake claim.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #721 on: November 28, 2013, 03:47:00 pm »

Also chairs, what did you steal from EFHW?

Choosing a dead target is a normal part of a scum fake claim.
...chairs chose night one, had suspicions that EFHW is scum because of power, was right. And that's scummy cuz...?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #722 on: November 28, 2013, 03:57:30 pm »

Also chairs, what did you steal from EFHW?

Choosing a dead target is a normal part of a scum fake claim.
...chairs chose night one, had suspicions that EFHW is scum because of power, was right. And that's scummy cuz...?

Didn't he claim the info after she died?  That's why.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #723 on: November 28, 2013, 06:10:18 pm »

I want one more night of results from the cops before lynching any of them.
vote: Jimmmmm

Also morgrim needs to anounce his target before the night begins.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #724 on: November 28, 2013, 07:25:02 pm »

I want one more night of results from the cops before lynching any of them.
vote: Jimmmmm

Also morgrim needs to anounce his target before the night begins.
I think it should be pingpongsam.

Or we lynch chairs and keep a nightkill from happening, possibly winning the game if there's just one scum left.

My theory would be one SK (Big Bad Wolf) and two mafia (EFHW + Partner).  Can't really have more than that in a game this size.

If we leave chairs alive, he NKs and we continue on.  Jimmmmm is on my scummy list, but he's below both chairs and mail-man X.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #725 on: November 28, 2013, 07:30:04 pm »

I want to cop someone that is town, please. I want to stay alive. Any ideas?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #726 on: November 28, 2013, 09:46:33 pm »

Jimmmmm is on my scummy list

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #727 on: November 28, 2013, 09:50:02 pm »

chairs was already on my list and ashersky makes sense and, oh yeah, omgus.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #728 on: November 28, 2013, 10:04:20 pm »

I want to cop someone that is town, please. I want to stay alive. Any ideas?

I'm not sure that aiming for Town is the way to go, but if you are I'm quite happy for you to investigate me.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #729 on: November 28, 2013, 10:06:40 pm »

Jimmmmm is on my scummy list

Do you have a non-setup reason for this?

Nope.  I don't really have you as all that scummy, and hence I'm not pushing for your lynch today.  I think set-up wise, there's a possibility of three separate scum, so the Wolf, the Witch, and the Jimmmmm.

Three scum set up as neighbors, but none of whom are partners.  3 NKs would be bad, though, so that seems unlikely.  Although no kill last night, so who knows.

But yeah, that's the reason you are on the scummy list, but distant to fake claiming chairs and mail-man X.



If there are a higher than expected number of scum running around, maybe there's a set-up excuse for 2 flavor cops + 1 Weak Cop (which seems to be what Morgrim is claiming).  But man, that seems lazy to me.  And so, since I know what I am, chairs must be lying.  He didn't try very hard to defend himself or his claim, either, which strikes me as scum giving up in a tough situation.

I mean, D1 scum lynch, N1 no kill, D2 scum dayvig...this game is ours for sure.  I'm just happy to get a win instead of a loss!  Or is it in addition to a loss?  Either way, better for me.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #730 on: November 28, 2013, 10:09:01 pm »

I want to cop someone that is town, please. I want to stay alive. Any ideas?

I'm not sure that aiming for Town is the way to go, but if you are I'm quite happy for you to investigate me.

Do you get Town/non-Town results?

You realize the problem with this, or any Weak Cop target selection?

We know the deal now. So does scum.  So if Morgrim's all "I'm going to target Jimmmmm tonight!" and then turns up dead tomorrow, we get to say "Look!  Jimmmmm is scum!"

All the while, maybe scum just killed Morgrim to make it look that way?

In the above scenario, substitute anyone's name for Jimmmmm's and you get my point.

I'd rather Morgrim had breadcrumbed his plans somehow and not announced what he had to do.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #731 on: November 28, 2013, 10:10:58 pm »

You realize the problem with this, or any Weak Cop target selection?

We know the deal now. So does scum.  So if Morgrim's all "I'm going to target Jimmmmm tonight!" and then turns up dead tomorrow, we get to say "Look!  Jimmmmm is scum!"

All the while, maybe scum just killed Morgrim to make it look that way?

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #732 on: November 28, 2013, 10:13:47 pm »

You realize the problem with this, or any Weak Cop target selection?

We know the deal now. So does scum.  So if Morgrim's all "I'm going to target Jimmmmm tonight!" and then turns up dead tomorrow, we get to say "Look!  Jimmmmm is scum!"

All the while, maybe scum just killed Morgrim to make it look that way?

I realise this and I'm reasonably okay with it.

Okay.  Well, given I put it out there, at least it assures we will all think about it before jumping to conclusions.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #733 on: November 28, 2013, 10:45:49 pm »

Could someone doctor me to ensure this doesn't happen?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #734 on: November 28, 2013, 10:57:15 pm »

Could someone doctor me to ensure this doesn't happen?

Even if that worked (and usually, it doesn't, I think), that would negate your ability to receive a result, wouldn't it?

I think the doctoring doesn't work due to Follow the Cop.

Even if Doctoring works, if you investigated scum AND scum killed you (for example, if that's Jimmmmm's plan as scum), Doctoring wouldn't save your twice.

I mean, if Jimmmmm is so good with being the target, that's cool, I guess.

I don't really have an answer for best use of Weak Cop.  That's why the role exists, I think.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #735 on: November 29, 2013, 03:20:22 am »

I want to cop someone that is town, please. I want to stay alive. Any ideas?

I'm not sure that aiming for Town is the way to go, but if you are I'm quite happy for you to investigate me.

Do you get Town/non-Town results?


You realize the problem with this, or any Weak Cop target selection?

We know the deal now. So does scum.  So if Morgrim's all "I'm going to target Jimmmmm tonight!" and then turns up dead tomorrow, we get to say "Look!  Jimmmmm is scum!"

All the while, maybe scum just killed Morgrim to make it look that way?

In the above scenario, substitute anyone's name for Jimmmmm's and you get my point.

I'd rather Morgrim had breadcrumbed his plans somehow and not announced what he had to do.

It's not that big problem.
There is probably only one nightkill left in the game.
If Morgrim and someone else died, we know that he investigated scum.
If only Morgrim dies, we don't know if he got right or was nightkilled.
If we doctor Morgrim, thats not a problem anymore. Then he only dies if he targets scum.

We can play follow the cop with a weak cop and a doctor, but only to find one scum, and only if the cop announces his target beforehand.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #736 on: November 29, 2013, 04:31:45 am »

It seems we're going to lynch one of the claimed cops today. That's fine by me. But again, I think Morgrim is the scummiest. The way he acted around his claim is just weird. Plus, should he flip town, we get another IC - BoxOfDOG.

Still, chairs needs to answer my question. If somebody received something last night, that would partly confirm his claim (he could still be scum of course). By the way, this quote:

I received a bauble last night, Innovation Inc. style, did anybody else?

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« Reply #737 on: November 29, 2013, 04:33:21 am »

In fact, my lynch preference right now is Morgrim > ashersky > chairs
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #738 on: November 29, 2013, 05:26:07 am »

But morgrim is the most useful among the cops. And he most dangerous for scum to let live.
Actually, I am pretty sure we can leave him, and he will turn up dead without us having to waste a lynch on him.
And if he doesn't die in two or three days, we can lynch him then. If he flips town, we will have two or three more IC's

Ashersky or chairs is better lynch targets, but they can also be useful if we let them live. Their results will give us more information, It will make it easier to determine if any of them is lying, and if we decides to lynch both, we will have more information of the remaining players.

Jimm, on he other hand, is not a likely NK-target. He will probably not be of much help powerrole-wise, and he will stay alive and be a potential scum for the rest of the game, or until we lynch him.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #739 on: November 29, 2013, 05:49:19 am »

Morgrim is definitely the scummiest of the cops, followed byashersky and then chairs. But as xeiron said, cops are useful, so I guess I could join a lynch on Jimmm so the cops have time to get their results. It doesn't seem anyone will help me lynch morgrim or ashersky, who are scummiest, so vote: jimmm
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #740 on: November 29, 2013, 07:50:21 am »

But morgrim is the most useful among the cops. And he most dangerous for scum to let live.
Actually, I am pretty sure we can leave him, and he will turn up dead without us having to waste a lynch on him.
And if he doesn't die in two or three days, we can lynch him then. If he flips town, we will have two or three more IC's

Ashersky or chairs is better lynch targets, but they can also be useful if we let them live. Their results will give us more information, It will make it easier to determine if any of them is lying, and if we decides to lynch both, we will have more information of the remaining players.

Jimm, on he other hand, is not a likely NK-target. He will probably not be of much help powerrole-wise, and he will stay alive and be a potential scum for the rest of the game, or until we lynch him.

Don't lynch Jimmmmm!
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #741 on: November 29, 2013, 07:51:26 am »

Really, I'd prefer if you lynched me over Jimmmmm.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #742 on: November 29, 2013, 10:22:58 am »

Wait.. What if Morgrim does flip scum, and I flip town?

Then I'd be an innocent bystander stuck in a mad-man's ploy!
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #743 on: November 29, 2013, 10:25:15 am »

Wait.. What if Morgrim does flip scum, and I flip town?

Then I'd be an innocent bystander stuck in a mad-man's ploy!
Seriously though.
It'd be nearsighted to not examine this.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #744 on: November 29, 2013, 10:28:32 am »

even if Morgrim flips scum, that doesn't mean that we know you're scum. It works the other way, though, and I think that's what was trying to be said (I can't remember who you're responding to)
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #745 on: November 29, 2013, 10:33:06 am »

Why don't we lynch me and then that clears Box?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #746 on: November 29, 2013, 11:15:53 am »

Why don't we lynch me and then that clears Box?
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That's not really.. Safe..?
I dunno.

We need to focus on getting scum, actually.. Not getting rid of Morgrim so we can clear a player who may be killed in the night.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #747 on: November 29, 2013, 11:22:00 am »

Really, I'd prefer if you lynched me over Jimmmmm.

I appreciate the support, but why?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #748 on: November 29, 2013, 11:23:18 am »

Morgrim: Do you get actual results, or do you simply die if you target scum?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #749 on: November 29, 2013, 11:43:51 am »

Morgrim: Do you get actual results, or do you simply die if you target scum?
I die if I target scum. No results.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #750 on: November 29, 2013, 12:48:55 pm »

Really, I'd prefer if you lynched me over Jimmmmm.

I appreciate the support, but why?

QT clues. Revealing it would probably reveal your role.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #751 on: November 29, 2013, 12:51:40 pm »

Morgrim: Do you get actual results, or do you simply die if you target scum?
I die if I target scum. No results.

So Box isn't actually cleared? Meh. Like, he could have some role like mine. Morgrim could have been roleblocked. Etc. etc.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #752 on: November 29, 2013, 12:52:20 pm »

Question to everyone: Would you consider Robin Hood a fairy tale character?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #753 on: November 29, 2013, 03:04:01 pm »

Question to everyone: Would you consider Robin Hood a fairy tale character?

Potentially. Not sure. But I think whether it's a real flavour name or a fake one, it was given to ash by Arch.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #754 on: November 29, 2013, 04:04:59 pm »

Morgrim: Do you get actual results, or do you simply die if you target scum?
I die if I target scum. No results.

So Box isn't actually cleared? Meh. Like, he could have some role like mine. Morgrim could have been roleblocked. Etc. etc.
Hah! No.

I have something a bit different. I'll explain the next day.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #755 on: November 29, 2013, 05:18:02 pm »

Vote Count 2.9

Jimmmmm (4) mail-mi, Morgrim7, xeiron, XerxesPraelor
Chairs (2) ashersky, pingpongsam
pingpongsam (1) chairs
Morgrim7 (1) faust

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #756 on: November 29, 2013, 06:43:42 pm »

Only a few days from deadline and I'm on L-2. Any thoughts on whether I should claim?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #757 on: November 29, 2013, 07:42:38 pm »

Only a few days from deadline and I'm on L-2. Any thoughts on whether I should claim?

Probably?  If you are town, there are way better lynches around.

I still say lynch a cop.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #758 on: November 29, 2013, 08:17:32 pm »

I am Robin Hood.  I target a player and steal something related to their flavor. 


I'd like to hear how Tom Thumb makes any sense.

Aha, now we're on the same page.

I am (REDACTED).  I am a Thieving Inventor.  Every Night I give a player an item (that I believe gives them a 1-shot power) and in return I steal an item related to their flavor.  Revealing my flavor would remove my ability to steal the item.

Who received an item from you last night?

EFHW - I target somebody to give them an item, and then receive an item related to their flavor in return.  EFHW had claimed Red Riding Hood but i got back a crystal ball, so I assumed that EFHW couldn't possible be Red Riding Hood.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #759 on: November 29, 2013, 08:25:18 pm »

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #760 on: November 29, 2013, 08:25:54 pm »

Really, I'd prefer if you lynched me over Jimmmmm.

I appreciate the support, but why?

QT clues. Revealing it would probably reveal your role.

Do you know or think you know my role?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #761 on: November 29, 2013, 10:17:54 pm »

Vote: Jimmmmm

I keep coming back to Jimmmmm. chairs' story checks out on the bauble. Doesn't mean he isn't scum but his story does check out.

What has Jimmmmm offered Town to work with besides a flavour name?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #762 on: November 29, 2013, 10:19:08 pm »

L-1 on Jimmmmm, btw
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #763 on: November 29, 2013, 10:32:31 pm »

Well that's L-1. Time to claim I guess, then I'll hopefully have time to do some re-reads. I don't have a particularly powerful role, and I'm unlikely to be NKed so I don't see a massive problem with it.

I am the Woodcutter.
I am a Lumberjack-of-all-trades.


Mostly I'm a Doctor variant.
I have 3 1-shot powers that each protect against a particular type of NK.
One protects against an Arsonist Kill, because I'm the only one who can prevent forest fires.
Another protects against a Poisoner Kill. It is a mixture of nectar and tree sap, and it tastes bitter.
The third protects against a Standard Kill using ground up leaves from the magic grotto, which prevent abrasions.
My fourth power is a 1-shot Vig using my axe.
I have used none of my powers at this stage.

My PM flavour mentions having my axe in hand and having muddy boots. The Enchanted Forest is my home and I know it well. The plants and animals are my family and I know their secrets. And I use these gifts for good and to protect the life I love.

My QT flavour:

The fair city is under attack! Houses will be ransacked and plains will be burned, but not until later much later. Only one can sense the danger all around and can guide others to safety. But they will hide; not protect. The city is not near, but far. So far away that none can reach it save for the one in blue. Yes, lin (though roasted swine should be placed first) will soon be destroyed if he doesn’t save it.

The Enchanted Forest flavour:

Purple poisons the well
Activates the dead at the sound of a yell

Shattered glass ignites the flame
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #764 on: November 29, 2013, 10:38:45 pm »

Also, I have a theory as to why there were no NKs on Night 1. It's highly plausible that Poisoner Kills and even Arsonist Kills have a delay, say the kill is submitted on N1 and the target dies on N2 or N3. My Poison Doctor ability mentions that the person I target will have any poisons in their bloodstream relieved. So I highly suspect at least one person is currently poisoned and due to die soon and may or may not know anything about it, thus my question at the start of the Day. Someone may even be close to a forest fire that will kill them.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #765 on: November 30, 2013, 12:04:22 am »

If that's a made up claim, it's pretty good.  I'm inclined to believe we should let Jimmmmm live today.

I still prefer a chairs lynch.  I know others have mentioned Morgrim as the better cop lynch (and we get a Box IC out of it).  Thoughts?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #766 on: November 30, 2013, 12:21:44 am »

Vote Count 2.10

Jimmmmm (5) mail-mi, Morgrim7, xeiron, XerxesPraelor, pingpongsam
Chairs (1) ashersky
pingpongsam (1) chairs
Morgrim7 (1) faust

Not Voting (2) BoxOfDog, Jimmmmm

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #767 on: November 30, 2013, 06:37:45 am »

unvote
That claim was believable.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #768 on: November 30, 2013, 07:47:26 am »

vote: Morgrim7
I agree. Jimm is off the hook for now. I still think Morgrim and Ashersky are the most scummy people left, but I get the feeling that ashersky acts scummy all the time, even when he's town.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #769 on: November 30, 2013, 08:31:53 am »

Well that's L-1. Time to claim I guess, then I'll hopefully have time to do some re-reads. I don't have a particularly powerful role, and I'm unlikely to be NKed so I don't see a massive problem with it.

I am the Woodcutter.
I am a Lumberjack-of-all-trades.


Mostly I'm a Doctor variant.
I have 3 1-shot powers that each protect against a particular type of NK.
One protects against an Arsonist Kill, because I'm the only one who can prevent forest fires.
Another protects against a Poisoner Kill. It is a mixture of nectar and tree sap, and it tastes bitter.
The third protects against a Standard Kill using ground up leaves from the magic grotto, which prevent abrasions.
My fourth power is a 1-shot Vig using my axe.
I have used none of my powers at this stage.

My PM flavour mentions having my axe in hand and having muddy boots. The Enchanted Forest is my home and I know it well. The plants and animals are my family and I know their secrets. And I use these gifts for good and to protect the life I love.

My QT flavour:

The fair city is under attack! Houses will be ransacked and plains will be burned, but not until later much later. Only one can sense the danger all around and can guide others to safety. But they will hide; not protect. The city is not near, but far. So far away that none can reach it save for the one in blue. Yes, lin (though roasted swine should be placed first) will soon be destroyed if he doesn’t save it.

The Enchanted Forest flavour:

Purple poisons the well
Activates the dead at the sound of a yell

Shattered glass ignites the flame
A burning desire that only love can tame


This fits with my flavor:

[...]He will murder again if one doesn’t stand up for what is write. Like a protector; shrouded in wooden mystery.

I thought you were some kind of doctor, which is why I didn't want to reveal this portion. "Wooden mystery" pointed at the Woodcutter for me.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #770 on: November 30, 2013, 08:45:24 am »

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #771 on: November 30, 2013, 09:24:23 am »

What gets me is that chairs is not on the Jimmmmm wagon.
Morgrim is.

Vote: Morgrim7
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« Reply #772 on: November 30, 2013, 09:37:48 am »

Good, very good. This is very good indeed.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #773 on: November 30, 2013, 09:58:59 am »

vote: chairs
Because of conflikting claim with ashersky.

Not morgrim because he seems to be the most potent cop, assuming he aims for scum.

Not ashersky for claiming after chairs.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #774 on: November 30, 2013, 03:15:11 pm »

Vote Count 2.11

Jimmmmm (1) mail-mi
Chairs (2) ashersky, xeiron
pingpongsam (1) chairs
Morgrim7 (3) faust, XerxesPraelor, pingpongsam

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #775 on: November 30, 2013, 04:25:56 pm »

The popular vote garners a deadline lynch. Tie votes cause no-lynch.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #776 on: December 01, 2013, 12:08:24 am »

Well that was easy. I think we're way to focussed on the setup. I get to L-1 based on setup assumptions, make a believable claim and almost straight away I'm down to 1 vote?! We need to focus more on actual scumhunting. I am absolutely guilty of this too, and will do my best to remedy this when I'm home and have more time.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #777 on: December 01, 2013, 09:23:06 am »

Can't scum hunt when no one posts.

If we're doing that then we should be voting mail-mi and Box on policy. Oh, that's right, the 2 people most regarded as Town.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #778 on: December 01, 2013, 10:33:28 am »

Well. Looks like Jimmmmm isn't viable anymore, so I now agree with ash that we should look at the cops.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #779 on: December 01, 2013, 12:00:35 pm »

vote: chairs
Because of conflikting claim with ashersky.

Not morgrim because he seems to be the most potent cop, assuming he aims for scum.

Not ashersky for claiming after chairs.

I thought morgrim specifically said he was going to aim for town.
Also, Chairs's claim is not conflicting with Ashersky's. They're just two different kinds of cops.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #780 on: December 01, 2013, 12:09:20 pm »

Assuming Morgim and chairs are both Town cops who presents the most valuable information in their lynch?

chairs doesn't present any new information while Morgim confirms Box as Town.

Seems an easy choice to me but I am open to other points of view.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #781 on: December 01, 2013, 03:31:35 pm »

Clearly I don't prefer a chairs lynch.  I'm still concerned about ashersky, but it doesn't look like we're considering that one today, and he's still not my favorite lynch option anyway.

Morgrim's a valid choice, I suppose - if we can confirm his role as a Cop, we can confirm Box's status as IC, and scum has decisions to make - and with every Day we're getting more information about a smaller pool.

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« Reply #782 on: December 01, 2013, 03:33:06 pm »

And now that i've confirmed vote count..

vote: morgrim7 that is L-2.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #783 on: December 01, 2013, 03:42:20 pm »

Looks like chairs isn't happening...

A weak Cop lynch is the way you create ICs, and a good use of a role that dies on scum targeting, I suppose.

This is L-1.

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« Reply #784 on: December 01, 2013, 05:36:32 pm »

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« Reply #785 on: December 01, 2013, 05:38:42 pm »

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« Reply #786 on: December 01, 2013, 05:38:51 pm »

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« Reply #787 on: December 01, 2013, 05:44:42 pm »

Never mind. I thought I would say something, but it wouldnt not get me killed.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #788 on: December 01, 2013, 05:58:12 pm »

vote: Morgrim

That didn't help your cause, man.

Any final thoughts?  Good to get them out there.

Obviously, if you are telling the truth, we get an IC in Box, which is good.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #789 on: December 01, 2013, 06:15:22 pm »

I do not like to lynch the weak cop.
He can catch a scumplayer for us, or at least give us a new IC each round.
He would also be a high priority target for the NK, meaning we will probably have his flip without having to use a lynch on him.

On the other hand, Mogrim hasn't done much to avoid getting lynched. Or done anything at all, actually.
This makes it difficult for me to argue hard against his lynch.

We need a lynch now. I still hope we can quicklynch chairs, or someone, but i guess a morgrim lynch is not that bad.
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« Reply #790 on: December 01, 2013, 06:22:18 pm »

Intent to hammer Morgrim pending he doesn't say something the totally dissuades his lynch.

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« Reply #791 on: December 01, 2013, 06:52:16 pm »

Okay, ill say something
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« Reply #792 on: December 01, 2013, 06:58:37 pm »

I may as well make a full claim. I am Tom Thumb, the Doctor/Hider
Flavor: You’re a full grown man, but only as big as an adult thumb! You also from a bit of a memory loss. You know you play in important role in the Town, but the exact influence is unknown. Half of you wants to be a hero and protect the people in this town, but the other half is afraid of the world and the terrors that lurk in it. Who is Tom Thumb?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #793 on: December 01, 2013, 06:59:14 pm »

Classic morgrim selfhammer!
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #794 on: December 01, 2013, 06:59:59 pm »

Also, lying as town is BAD.

Not a cop, don't claim cop.  Dude.
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« Reply #795 on: December 01, 2013, 07:02:30 pm »

Who believes me? Just curious.
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« Reply #796 on: December 01, 2013, 07:02:50 pm »

Also, lying as town is BAD.

Not a cop, don't claim cop.  Dude.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #797 on: December 01, 2013, 07:03:17 pm »

Also, lying as town is BAD.

Not a cop, don't claim cop.  Dude.
Well, I was pretty much a cop.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #798 on: December 01, 2013, 07:04:02 pm »

Who believes me? Just curious.

You self-hammered, so I figure you are okay to believe until a flip is posted.

Scum's in a crappy position, though, so I guess you could just self-hammer to get it over with.  But I doubt it.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #799 on: December 01, 2013, 07:05:43 pm »

Who believes me? Just curious.
Well, it makes ash and chairs more believable and jimmmmm less so.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #800 on: December 01, 2013, 07:25:54 pm »

Who believes me? Just curious.
Well, it makes ash and chairs more believable and jimmmmm less so.

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« Reply #801 on: December 01, 2013, 07:56:11 pm »

Who believes me? Just curious.
Well, it makes ash and chairs more believable and jimmmmm less so.

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« Reply #802 on: December 01, 2013, 07:58:51 pm »

Well that's L-1. Time to claim I guess, then I'll hopefully have time to do some re-reads. I don't have a particularly powerful role, and I'm unlikely to be NKed so I don't see a massive problem with it.

I am the Woodcutter.
I am a Lumberjack-of-all-trades.


Mostly I'm a Doctor variant.
I have 3 1-shot powers that each protect against a particular type of NK.
One protects against an Arsonist Kill, because I'm the only one who can prevent forest fires.
Another protects against a Poisoner Kill. It is a mixture of nectar and tree sap, and it tastes bitter.
The third protects against a Standard Kill using ground up leaves from the magic grotto, which prevent abrasions.
My fourth power is a 1-shot Vig using my axe.
I have used none of my powers at this stage.

My PM flavour mentions having my axe in hand and having muddy boots. The Enchanted Forest is my home and I know it well. The plants and animals are my family and I know their secrets. And I use these gifts for good and to protect the life I love.

I may as well make a full claim. I am Tom Thumb, the Doctor/Hider
Flavor: You’re a full grown man, but only as big as an adult thumb! You also from a bit of a memory loss. You know you play in important role in the Town, but the exact influence is unknown. Half of you wants to be a hero and protect the people in this town, but the other half is afraid of the world and the terrors that lurk in it. Who is Tom Thumb?
Each night, I target a player, and either Doctor them, or Hide behind them. If I target scum, I die. I didn't claim this cause I didnt want to get Killed by the scum. And I didn’t want box to get lynched. No matter. This is what, the fourth time I’ve been mislynched? Wow.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #803 on: December 01, 2013, 08:01:38 pm »

Oh I see. There are multiple ways of killing, and let's face it, I'm pretty unlikely to actually target the right person at the right time with the right method of protection.
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« Reply #804 on: December 01, 2013, 08:13:54 pm »

Oh I see. There are multiple ways of killing, and let's face it, I'm pretty unlikely to actually target the right person at the right time with the right method of protection.

That's true.

You are a fairly weak doctor, since you need to both choose the right target AND method of killing.  And it's 1-shot each.

Looking at your list, the "standard kill" that protects against "abrasions" sounds anti-wolfish.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #805 on: December 01, 2013, 08:17:13 pm »

Oh I see. There are multiple ways of killing, and let's face it, I'm pretty unlikely to actually target the right person at the right time with the right method of protection.

That's true.

You are a fairly weak doctor, since you need to both choose the right target AND method of killing.  And it's 1-shot each.

Looking at your list, the "standard kill" that protects against "abrasions" sounds anti-wolfish.

I agree that the Wolf kill would have been a Standard Kill, and probably the only Standard Kill in the game. I think it's pretty likely that at the moment we have someone who is poisoned and someone who is threatened by a forest fire, which means I can help by targeting one of these as well as Tonight's scum targets.
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« Reply #806 on: December 01, 2013, 08:22:58 pm »

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« Reply #807 on: December 01, 2013, 08:28:28 pm »

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Vote Count 2.FINAL

Jimmmmm (1) mail-mi
Chairs (1) xeiron
Morgrim7 (6) faust, XerxesPraelor, pingpongsam, chairs, ashersky, Morgrim7


Not Voting (2) BoxOfDog, Jimmmmm

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« Reply #808 on: December 03, 2013, 06:27:00 pm »

The Town woke up to find two dead bodies - a stark difference from last night!

XerxesPraleor,
otherwise known as 'Prince Charming' the Town-aligned Bodyguard lay dead with his shield and sword still clutched in hand. Next time him lay Jimmmmm, otherwise known as 'The Woodcutter' a Town-aligned Lumberjack-of-all-trades.

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Day 3 start!

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« Reply #809 on: December 03, 2013, 06:27:10 pm »

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« Reply #810 on: December 03, 2013, 06:28:38 pm »

2 kills?  Are we thinking multiple scum here?

My guess is Xerxes was protecting someone, given his role.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #811 on: December 03, 2013, 07:05:48 pm »

I think the poison/arson discussion (where it was delayed kills) seems reasonable.  I'd wager Maleficent was a poisoner (and is now dead, but poison could have still killed somebody) and now we've got the potential arsonist having set off his fire?

Alternately, I could see an arsonist blowing up a bodyguard along with (rather than "instead of") his protected target.

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« Reply #812 on: December 03, 2013, 07:07:48 pm »

Also:

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Last night I targeted ashersky.  The flavor item I received does NOT appear to match his flavor claim.

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« Reply #813 on: December 03, 2013, 08:41:47 pm »

Also:

vote: ashersky.

Last night I targeted ashersky.  The flavor item I received does NOT appear to match his flavor claim.
Oh, and what was it? And, remind me, what was his flavor claim?
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« Reply #814 on: December 03, 2013, 08:58:37 pm »

Also:

vote: ashersky.

Last night I targeted ashersky.  The flavor item I received does NOT appear to match his flavor claim.

I targeted you.  I'd love to hear you claim your way out of it, as it is definitely scum (per wikipedia, anyway).

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #815 on: December 03, 2013, 09:05:21 pm »

Also:

vote: ashersky.

Last night I targeted ashersky.  The flavor item I received does NOT appear to match his flavor claim.

I targeted you.  I'd love to hear you claim your way out of it, as it is definitely scum (per wikipedia, anyway).

vote: chairs

Okay okay okay. Y'all should share your results on one another so that we can decide which of the two of you is scum.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #816 on: December 03, 2013, 09:09:37 pm »

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #817 on: December 03, 2013, 09:16:19 pm »

Also:

vote: ashersky.

Last night I targeted ashersky.  The flavor item I received does NOT appear to match his flavor claim.

I targeted you.  I'd love to hear you claim your way out of it, as it is definitely scum (per wikipedia, anyway).

vote: chairs

Okay okay okay. Y'all should share your results on one another so that we can decide which of the two of you is scum.

I agree.  Here's the problem.

I claimed my flavor, and now chairs can come in and just make up a fake one and say I lied.

Chairs did NOT claim his flavor, so you know my result is more trustworthy.  Thing is, I out him first and he just lies about what his flavor is.  If he says his flavor first, he'll just say I'm using that information against him.

So, we need someone (IC mail-mi is good) to direct the order in which information is shared to ensure it's most trusted.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #818 on: December 03, 2013, 09:22:34 pm »

This from Jimmmmmm's flavor:

Only one can sense the danger all around and can guide others to safety.

I think, implies that there is only 1 cop and one of ash/chairs is scum.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #819 on: December 03, 2013, 09:24:59 pm »

This from Jimmmmmm's flavor:

Only one can sense the danger all around and can guide others to safety.

I think, implies that there is only 1 cop and one of ash/chairs is scum.

Makes sense to me.  The Robin Hood legend fits that, as far as I know of him.

Chairs's flavor name is a hardcore villian.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #820 on: December 03, 2013, 09:29:13 pm »

This from Jimmmmmm's flavor:

Only one can sense the danger all around and can guide others to safety.

I think, implies that there is only 1 cop and one of ash/chairs is scum.

Makes sense to me.  The Robin Hood legend fits that, as far as I know of him.

Chairs's flavor name is a hardcore villian.

Remind me of your flavor name?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #821 on: December 03, 2013, 09:32:49 pm »

This from Jimmmmmm's flavor:

Only one can sense the danger all around and can guide others to safety.

I think, implies that there is only 1 cop and one of ash/chairs is scum.

Makes sense to me.  The Robin Hood legend fits that, as far as I know of him.

Chairs's flavor name is a hardcore villian.

Remind me of your flavor name?

Robin Hood.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #822 on: December 03, 2013, 09:37:54 pm »

Okay, before either of you reveal your results, chairs, you need to claim your flavor name.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #823 on: December 03, 2013, 09:46:56 pm »

I would note that I received no item from anyone, which was part of chairs's fake claim.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #824 on: December 04, 2013, 02:29:09 am »

I would note that I received no item from anyone, which was part of chairs's fake claim.

Which is of course what you would say as scum.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #825 on: December 04, 2013, 02:40:03 am »

chairs, ash, why did you both target one another instead of, say, pingpongsam or xerxes?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #826 on: December 04, 2013, 02:44:11 am »

By the way, I suppose scum targeted xeiron tonight and xerxes protected him. Which would make Jimmmmm a D1 target, following the poison theory.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #827 on: December 04, 2013, 08:00:13 am »

Okay, before either of you reveal your results, chairs, you need to claim your flavor name.

Didn't chairs say he couldn't use his power anymore once he has claimed?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #828 on: December 04, 2013, 08:40:48 am »

Okay, before either of you reveal your results, chairs, you need to claim your flavor name.
I agree with this. Get both claims out first, and then you can reveal your results afterwards.

Didn't chairs say he couldn't use his power anymore once he has claimed?

Yes, I think he did, and it sounds not very plausible, but very convenient for scum to claim.
Anyway, right now it is more important to find out who, if any, among Ashersky and Chairs is scum.
If town !Chairs loses his power, so that we can lynch scum !Ashersky, that would be a good deal.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #829 on: December 04, 2013, 10:11:54 am »

Ashersky's flavor item returned was sheet music.  I don't see that fitting Robin Hood.

And I will accept that it's probably worth losing my cop-side power to provide Town more opportunity.  I am Rumplestiltskin.  Despite my bad reputation, I'm actually one of the good guys, helping people out of jams (though I take something in return if they can't guess my name - hence the thieving).

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #830 on: December 04, 2013, 10:13:17 am »

chairs, ash, why did you both target one another instead of, say, pingpongsam or xerxes?

Ash felt like he was tunneling me and I didn't think 2 flavor cops made sense (as he similarly stated).

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #831 on: December 04, 2013, 10:29:11 am »

Ashersky's flavor item returned was sheet music.  I don't see that fitting Robin Hood.

And I will accept that it's probably worth losing my cop-side power to provide Town more opportunity.  I am Rumplestiltskin.  Despite my bad reputation, I'm actually one of the good guys, helping people out of jams (though I take something in return if they can't guess my name - hence the thieving).
This claim makes a lot of sense. I am still not sure I believe that you are town, but the rest is probably true.

I believe this flavor snip is about you:
"A skilled thief that comes without warning. The power of association is the only way to stop this criminal’s methods."
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #832 on: December 04, 2013, 10:30:40 am »

Morgim flipped town but guess what, he wasn't a cop. I had a feeling he was lying which is why I was so willing to vote him. Well, he was lying... as Town, which is ridiculous. I much prefer to play scum so that I am not bound to the truth so I comprehend the impetus but to actually do it, well, kids, you see what happens. I suppose his last minute call to wait was to divulge that he had been lying but that was a catch-22.

Anyway, all that said, Morgrim wasn't our cop and I feel confident we do have a cop. I feel that there is certain scum between ashersky and chairs. ashersky did well yesterday but the shaking out of the night's results really lead me to believe chairs is the Town cop.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #833 on: December 04, 2013, 10:33:09 am »

Agreed.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #834 on: December 04, 2013, 10:35:26 am »

That's L-1 on ashersky.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #835 on: December 04, 2013, 10:39:57 am »

Let's not lynch anybody before Ashersky can make his case against chairs.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #836 on: December 04, 2013, 10:58:30 am »

That's L-1 on ashersky.

Oh, sorry, forgot there are so few of us left... better unvote for now.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #837 on: December 04, 2013, 02:35:31 pm »

Ashersky's flavor item returned was sheet music.  I don't see that fitting Robin Hood.

And I will accept that it's probably worth losing my cop-side power to provide Town more opportunity.  I am Rumplestiltskin.  Despite my bad reputation, I'm actually one of the good guys, helping people out of jams (though I take something in return if they can't guess my name - hence the thieving).
This claim makes a lot of sense. I am still not sure I believe that you are town, but the rest is probably true.

I believe this flavor snip is about you:
"A skilled thief that comes without warning. The power of association is the only way to stop this criminal’s methods."

No, it doesn't.  He's lying.  He spelled the name wrong, for one, as it is Rumpelstiltskin, not Rumplestiltskin.  Two, Rumpelstiltskin was not a thief at all.  He was a magic imp that did things for you in exchange for things.  No stealing, no "association."

This is a fake claim, probably his provided one.  My investigation returned the Pied Piper as our cop.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #838 on: December 04, 2013, 02:36:31 pm »

So our "cop" chairs is caught in a lie.  And he lures our children away with a pipe.  Villain!
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #839 on: December 04, 2013, 03:02:49 pm »

Right, so the QT flavor about thieving was entirely irrelevant to anyone's roles in the game then?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #840 on: December 04, 2013, 03:15:15 pm »

Right, so the QT flavor about thieving was entirely irrelevant to anyone's roles in the game then?

I am Robin Hood.  Not sure if that's what you are hoping for, though.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #841 on: December 04, 2013, 03:24:17 pm »

Ashersky's flavor item returned was sheet music.  I don't see that fitting Robin Hood.

And I will accept that it's probably worth losing my cop-side power to provide Town more opportunity.  I am Rumplestiltskin.  Despite my bad reputation, I'm actually one of the good guys, helping people out of jams (though I take something in return if they can't guess my name - hence the thieving).
This claim makes a lot of sense. I am still not sure I believe that you are town, but the rest is probably true.

I believe this flavor snip is about you:
"A skilled thief that comes without warning. The power of association is the only way to stop this criminal’s methods."

I agree that this is probably about me.

For reference, here's the full thing from my QT:

At the break of dawn
Promises are broken
Bright light from above
Illuminates the kingdom

Shows what’s hidden

Others are naked
And exposed
Others are dressed for success
Full investigations
Investigations unlike any other
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #842 on: December 04, 2013, 03:25:59 pm »

Rumpelstiltskin is not a thief.  NOT A THIEF.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #843 on: December 04, 2013, 03:33:12 pm »

Ashersky's flavor item returned was sheet music.  I don't see that fitting Robin Hood.

And I will accept that it's probably worth losing my cop-side power to provide Town more opportunity.  I am Rumplestiltskin.  Despite my bad reputation, I'm actually one of the good guys, helping people out of jams (though I take something in return if they can't guess my name - hence the thieving).
This claim makes a lot of sense. I am still not sure I believe that you are town, but the rest is probably true.

I believe this flavor snip is about you:
"A skilled thief that comes without warning. The power of association is the only way to stop this criminal’s methods."

No, it doesn't.  He's lying.  He spelled the name wrong, for one, as it is Rumpelstiltskin, not Rumplestiltskin.  Two, Rumpelstiltskin was not a thief at all.  He was a magic imp that did things for you in exchange for things.  No stealing, no "association."

This is a fake claim, probably his provided one.  My investigation returned the Pied Piper as our cop.

I'm sorry that I misspelled my name; I didn't check my PM to make sure I typed it right.

The traditional Rumpelstiltskin story is as follows (tl;dr version): Girl has to spin gold out of wool.  Imp magically appears and says he can do this for her, but in return asks for her firstborn.  She agrees, but then begs for her child to stay with her when he comes to collect.  He offers her three days to guess his name, after which if he cannot he will take the child.  Hence the "thief" part of my power (taking something) and the "association" (unless you get my name right).  My power is that I can give someone a crystal ball or the golden touch - hence my supposition that a Midas-like character might be in the game.  Both are boons granted (1-shot powers) for a price in return (flavor item) unless my name is given to the moderator (yay Rumpelstiltskin flavor).

I'm actually intrigued that Ashersky would mention the Pied Piper - sheet music (which, as you'll recall, is what I got from him last night) would certainly fit a musical villain.  Is it that he's giving away his own role in an attempt to drop me?  It seems kind of risky, but I guess it'd be worthwhile if he still has a partner left...

also, in case I haven't (and since I know we're not at L-1) vote: ashersky.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #844 on: December 04, 2013, 03:33:50 pm »

Rumpelstiltskin is not a thief.  NOT A THIEF.

But he does give you something, expecting something in return.  And you can get out of giving him the return object by having his name.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #845 on: December 04, 2013, 03:37:11 pm »

Ashersky's flavor item returned was sheet music.  I don't see that fitting Robin Hood.

And I will accept that it's probably worth losing my cop-side power to provide Town more opportunity.  I am Rumplestiltskin.  Despite my bad reputation, I'm actually one of the good guys, helping people out of jams (though I take something in return if they can't guess my name - hence the thieving).
This claim makes a lot of sense. I am still not sure I believe that you are town, but the rest is probably true.

I believe this flavor snip is about you:
"A skilled thief that comes without warning. The power of association is the only way to stop this criminal’s methods."

No, it doesn't.  He's lying.  He spelled the name wrong, for one, as it is Rumpelstiltskin, not Rumplestiltskin.  Two, Rumpelstiltskin was not a thief at all.  He was a magic imp that did things for you in exchange for things.  No stealing, no "association."

This is a fake claim, probably his provided one.  My investigation returned the Pied Piper as our cop.

I'm sorry that I misspelled my name; I didn't check my PM to make sure I typed it right.

The traditional Rumpelstiltskin story is as follows (tl;dr version): Girl has to spin gold out of wool.  Imp magically appears and says he can do this for her, but in return asks for her firstborn.  She agrees, but then begs for her child to stay with her when he comes to collect.  He offers her three days to guess his name, after which if he cannot he will take the child.  Hence the "thief" part of my power (taking something) and the "association" (unless you get my name right).  My power is that I can give someone a crystal ball or the golden touch - hence my supposition that a Midas-like character might be in the game.  Both are boons granted (1-shot powers) for a price in return (flavor item) unless my name is given to the moderator (yay Rumpelstiltskin flavor).

I'm actually intrigued that Ashersky would mention the Pied Piper - sheet music (which, as you'll recall, is what I got from him last night) would certainly fit a musical villain.  Is it that he's giving away his own role in an attempt to drop me?  It seems kind of risky, but I guess it'd be worthwhile if he still has a partner left...

also, in case I haven't (and since I know we're not at L-1) vote: ashersky.

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Straight up scum lies.  Taking a baby after saying that, based on a binding contract, is not stealing.

Robin Hood has a band of merry men, dude.  Singing and music is integral.

Look, as former scum myself, I feel for you.  This game is skewed badly against scum, and provided fake claims do not line up with flavor (you know I'm not lying based on my previous experience).  The fact that your fake claim is a villain matches up with my previous life.

It sucks, but it's just a game.  Let it go, man.  You are caught scum, nothing to be done about it.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #846 on: December 04, 2013, 03:38:35 pm »

Rumpelstiltskin is not a thief.  NOT A THIEF.

But he does give you something, expecting something in return.  And you can get out of giving him the return object by having his name.

Which, again, has nothing to do with stealing.  Robin Hood fucking steals from the rich.  It's in his job description.  Rumpel is a magic imp that provides services for a fee.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #847 on: December 04, 2013, 03:43:51 pm »

From my QT:

All certainly could’ve be stopped a single golden touch.sic
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #848 on: December 04, 2013, 03:44:26 pm »

Does anyone have a Day-capable power right now?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #849 on: December 04, 2013, 05:38:04 pm »

Rumpelstiltskin is not a thief.  NOT A THIEF.

If so, then this:

"A skilled thief that comes without warning. The power of association is the only way to stop this criminal’s methods."

would be about you, then. And it says criminal.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #850 on: December 04, 2013, 06:05:57 pm »

Vote Count 1.1

chairs (1) ashersky
ashersky (2) pingpongsam, chairs

Not Voting (5): mail-mi, xeiron, faust, pingpongsam,BoxOfDog

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #851 on: December 04, 2013, 06:11:49 pm »

Rumpelstiltskin is not a thief.  NOT A THIEF.

If so, then this:

"A skilled thief that comes without warning. The power of association is the only way to stop this criminal’s methods."

would be about you, then. And it says criminal.

Robin Hood (and all thieves) ARE criminals.  Doesn't make them evil or bad.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #852 on: December 05, 2013, 07:07:39 am »

If we have a day-vig pick one of ashersky and chairs and shoot them. If the vig flips Town we'll lynch the other one.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #853 on: December 05, 2013, 07:10:21 am »

Can we get a prod on BoxofDog? I don't think he knows he's still in this game...
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #854 on: December 05, 2013, 07:11:34 am »

Morgrim: Do you get actual results, or do you simply die if you target scum?
I die if I target scum. No results.

So Box isn't actually cleared? Meh. Like, he could have some role like mine. Morgrim could have been roleblocked. Etc. etc.
Hah! No.

I have something a bit different. I'll explain the next day.

Want to hear this, Box...
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #855 on: December 05, 2013, 07:24:45 am »

Chairs, in what way do you lose our power?
May persons you target guess your name, and our action blocked if they are correct?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #856 on: December 05, 2013, 07:34:14 am »

Ashersky, did you receive an item last night?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #857 on: December 05, 2013, 08:30:00 am »

ashersky denies receiving an item. I find that claim irrelevant in this case. It is obvious that either chairs or ashersky is lying. That ashersky denies receiving an item only supports the obvious.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #858 on: December 05, 2013, 08:36:40 am »

ashersky's overall meta is really working against him here. He typically comes off self-assured, brunt and expecting everyone else to see what he sees as if it were completely clear. The fact is, this situation presents a conundrum for Town and acting as if it were just so clear who the liar is comes off as scummy because it is NOT clear. If he is in fact Town then that is being obscured by this style of play.

I don't have much meta on chairs. RMM9 he was a very weak scum so I didn't expect him to play scum well here. If he is scum then he is playing it extremely well. I am not letting that cloud my view, however, I give him the real possibility that he is playing scum brilliantly. That said, his method stands in stark contrast to ashersky. He is not being forceful, not being personally confrontational. His response to this situation feels more towny. He presents his facts and hopes Town will make the best choice is what has shaped up to be a 50/50 guess.

ashersky is the one who demanded a claim first before divulging. chairs was willing to accommodate this. ashersky's play is decidedly more scummy to me in this altercation. I feel it is completely a 50/50 tossup, however and really wish we had a day-vig to settle it without moving into N3 on a mislynch.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #859 on: December 05, 2013, 08:38:42 am »

faust, did you send another letter? If so, is there a read on the public response to it?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #860 on: December 05, 2013, 09:47:55 am »

Nooo-noo.

I knew about the game yesterday. I was just in the very wrong situation to do any posting.

Anyway.
I said I'd claim today, so I'll do that now.

I am the Pied Piper
I was the 1-Shot Lightning Rod

I am the 1-Shot Voyeur

As a 1-Shot Lightning Rod, I was able to use my power during the night, and attract all of the night actions that happened, unless another re-directer uses their power as well.
After asking a question on my quicktopic, I was told that I could, theoretically, prevent all night deaths.
I used it last night in such an effort, and I guess it didn't work out so well :I

As a 1-Shot Voyeur I can target one player, and see what type of targets are placed ON that player.
Kind of a really weak cop, huh?

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See, this is why I hinted at in the beginning that some otherwise villains, could get a townie role.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #861 on: December 05, 2013, 09:51:23 am »

Wait.. That was from my quicktopic.. Uhh.

My FLAVOR was Pied Piper complaining about rats in Hamlin, and having to get rid of them. How it's good he has his flute, and that he does know how to get them away.
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« Reply #862 on: December 05, 2013, 09:52:48 am »

That explains a lot.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #863 on: December 05, 2013, 09:54:47 am »

That explains a lot.
You sent the Voyeur, xeiron?

'Cause I didn't mean to steal that ._.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #864 on: December 05, 2013, 10:08:50 am »

So... Chairs claimed to get sheet notes.
Ashersky claimed to investigate the pied piper.

Both are true, due to Box' lightningrod and would be pretty hard to fakeclaim.
It probably means both Chairs and Ashersky have the abilities they claim to have.
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« Reply #865 on: December 05, 2013, 10:09:39 am »

That explains a lot.
You sent the Voyeur, xeiron?

'Cause I didn't mean to steal that ._.

No.
Chairs probably did.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #866 on: December 05, 2013, 10:11:46 am »

That makes all the sense. Chairs and ash are probably both town. Along with box cuz of 'grim's  "result".
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #867 on: December 05, 2013, 10:12:30 am »

That explains a lot.
You sent the Voyeur, xeiron?

'Cause I didn't mean to steal that ._.

No.
Chairs probably did.
At least it would make sense according to his claim.
Yeah, that would've been chairs.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #868 on: December 05, 2013, 10:13:02 am »

Oh wait.. Ho' darn.

I just read back. That was not how I intended things to turn out..
If I had the ability to defend you yesterday, Chairs, I would have!
Sorry for the delay ;-;
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #869 on: December 05, 2013, 10:17:56 am »

Chairs, in what way do you lose our power?
May persons you target guess your name, and our action blocked if they are correct?

Exactly.

Though I suppose that, now that it's out there, Town could simply opt not to guess my name.

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« Reply #870 on: December 05, 2013, 10:21:44 am »

Chairs, in what way do you lose our power?
May persons you target guess your name, and our action blocked if they are correct?

Exactly.

Though I suppose that, now that it's out there, Town could simply opt not to guess my name.

Box, can you confirm this?
Was you asked to guess a name during the night?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #871 on: December 05, 2013, 10:23:37 am »

Nooo-noo.

I knew about the game yesterday. I was just in the very wrong situation to do any posting.

Anyway.
I said I'd claim today, so I'll do that now.

I am the Pied Piper
I was the 1-Shot Lightning Rod

I am the 1-Shot Voyeur

As a 1-Shot Lightning Rod, I was able to use my power during the night, and attract all of the night actions that happened, unless another re-directer uses their power as well.
After asking a question on my quicktopic, I was told that I could, theoretically, prevent all night deaths.
I used it last night in such an effort, and I guess it didn't work out so well :I

As a 1-Shot Voyeur I can target one player, and see what type of targets are placed ON that player.
Kind of a really weak cop, huh?

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See, this is why I hinted at in the beginning that some otherwise villains, could get a townie role.

...this does explain why ash was so convinced.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #872 on: December 05, 2013, 10:27:04 am »

If I am going to buy that chairs and ash are both town, which I am still not sold on then the only people I can directly suspect are faust and xeiron.

Still waiting on faust's letter report...
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #873 on: December 05, 2013, 10:31:40 am »

Chairs, in what way do you lose our power?
May persons you target guess your name, and our action blocked if they are correct?

Exactly.

Though I suppose that, now that it's out there, Town could simply opt not to guess my name.

Box, can you confirm this?
Was you asked to guess a name during the night?
Oh! Yes! That was really weird.

I thought Arche was just curious as to who I thought gave me the Voyeur. I guessed Mail-mi.
So what would've happened if I guessed correctly, Chairs?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #874 on: December 05, 2013, 10:32:41 am »

Box, what did you receive from chairs?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #875 on: December 05, 2013, 10:38:10 am »

Chairs, in what way do you lose our power?
May persons you target guess your name, and our action blocked if they are correct?

Exactly.

Though I suppose that, now that it's out there, Town could simply opt not to guess my name.

Box, can you confirm this?
Was you asked to guess a name during the night?
Oh! Yes! That was really weird.

I thought Arche was just curious as to who I thought gave me the Voyeur. I guessed Mail-mi.
So what would've happened if I guessed correctly, Chairs?

If you had guessed correctly, I would not have received the sheet music.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #876 on: December 05, 2013, 10:40:14 am »

That makes all the sense. Chairs and ash are probably both town. Along with box cuz of 'grim's  "result".

I am not convinced both Chairs and Ash must be town. Yes, they probably both speaks the truth, but we still have the situation of two similar roles.
It is no reason to to believe both of those roles should be of the same alignment.
I am especially wary of Chairs. He has a power that can be blocked if we know his name. As he claims it, only scum would have a benefit of blocking it. This seems weird to me.
Could it be that chairs is a third-party-role (survivor?), and that his stealing helps him in some way?
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« Reply #877 on: December 05, 2013, 10:49:06 am »

Just reread D2. still okay with an ashersky lynch but if it were between faust and xeiron I would lean xeiron but feel okay with either.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #878 on: December 05, 2013, 11:08:24 am »

Box, what did you receive from chairs?
The Voyeur, I guess.

That makes all the sense. Chairs and ash are probably both town. Along with box cuz of 'grim's  "result".

I am not convinced both Chairs and Ash must be town. Yes, they probably both speaks the truth, but we still have the situation of two similar roles.
It is no reason to to believe both of those roles should be of the same alignment.
I am especially wary of Chairs. He has a power that can be blocked if we know his name. As he claims it, only scum would have a benefit of blocking it. This seems weird to me.
Could it be that chairs is a third-party-role (survivor?), and that his stealing helps him in some way?
You bring up a great point, xeiron.
If Chairs is town, he has no reason to hide his name.
What happens if you don't correctly guess his name, is he steals something precious from you. Pied Piper's (me) precious thing was sheet music.

But then again, we've come to a really complicated situation. If Chairs is to target a mafia player, and they guess his name, we haven't the slightest idea or hint who he tried to steal from.
So there are two purposes to Chair's role:
Town Purpose - He is able to steal a precious item, and determine the fairy tale it corresponds to, and making his vote based on that.
Scum Purpose - He is able to steal something from you, and use it against you somehow, if you don't guess his name correctly.

I seriously doubt it's the former.
vote: chairs
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #879 on: December 05, 2013, 11:11:07 am »

Wait.. Just considered further.

The TP really just makes a lot more sense, especially compared to the SP.
Hiding his name would prevent scum from efficiently blocking thieving. If they do block him, then he can call them out for that. Why would THEY need to hide their role? Town has nothing to hide, on terms of flavor.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #880 on: December 05, 2013, 11:15:13 am »

Box, what did you receive from chairs?
The Voyeur, I guess.

That makes all the sense. Chairs and ash are probably both town. Along with box cuz of 'grim's  "result".

I am not convinced both Chairs and Ash must be town. Yes, they probably both speaks the truth, but we still have the situation of two similar roles.
It is no reason to to believe both of those roles should be of the same alignment.
I am especially wary of Chairs. He has a power that can be blocked if we know his name. As he claims it, only scum would have a benefit of blocking it. This seems weird to me.
Could it be that chairs is a third-party-role (survivor?), and that his stealing helps him in some way?
You bring up a great point, xeiron.
If Chairs is town, he has no reason to hide his name.
What happens if you don't correctly guess his name, is he steals something precious from you. Pied Piper's (me) precious thing was sheet music.

But then again, we've come to a really complicated situation. If Chairs is to target a mafia player, and they guess his name, we haven't the slightest idea or hint who he tried to steal from.
So there are two purposes to Chair's role:
Town Purpose - He is able to steal a precious item, and determine the fairy tale it corresponds to, and making his vote based on that.
Scum Purpose - He is able to steal something from you, and use it against you somehow, if you don't guess his name correctly.

I seriously doubt it's the former.
vote: chairs

You would've received the Voyeur, though I didn't know that's what the crystal ball did (I have flavor items, that give 1-shot roles when sent, but I don't have in my PM what they do).

I've revealed my name, and at this point I agree, there's no reason to hide it - because Town will politely decline to guess it, allowing me to confirm their flavor.  It is for the Town purpose (you should review LOTR 2 for an example of the thieving side of this role, if you'd like).  The only way I can "use the item against you" is by it not matching the flavor that you've claimed.

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« Reply #881 on: December 05, 2013, 11:21:26 am »

Wait.. Just considered further.

The TP really just makes a lot more sense, especially compared to the SP.
Hiding his name would prevent scum from efficiently blocking thieving. If they do block him, then he can call them out for that. Why would THEY need to hide their role? Town has nothing to hide, on terms of flavor.

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This is isn't helping my headache..

Hiding my name previously served a purpose, but at this point I think we're down to 1 or perhaps 2 scum and that ashersky is more likely than not to be one of them, and revealing it better serves us now.  In my opinion, we should lynch ashersky today, then any remaining scum must kill you tonight as you're now an IC, or kill me tonight (but then you can voyeur me), or kill someone else (leaving a flavor cop, an IC, another IC ((right? Don't we have somebody turning IC D4 still alive?))... doesn't look good for scum).

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #882 on: December 05, 2013, 11:21:44 am »

tl;dr scum should just claim now, I think we've won.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #883 on: December 05, 2013, 11:26:38 am »

faust, did you send another letter? If so, is there a read on the public response to it?

No, I did not send a letter. There was nothing I felt I really needed to tell someone tonight.
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« Reply #884 on: December 05, 2013, 11:33:49 am »

By the way, pps, what about you? You're the only one unlcaimed so far, and IIRC you said D2 that you would claim today.

Lynching xeiron is bad, because if he's telling the truth, he'll become an IC tomorrow.

Box' claim explains everything. xerxes died because he protected Box, thus saving him. xeiron isn't IC yet because xerxes couldn't target him. Jimmmmm probably died of poison.

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« Reply #885 on: December 05, 2013, 11:34:07 am »

Wait a second, didn't ashersky say he'd copped me as the Pied Piper?

unvote.  Maybe we really do have 2 flavor cops, since that's a (limited) side benefit of my role, not the primary role.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #886 on: December 05, 2013, 11:34:59 am »

Just reread D2. still okay with an ashersky lynch but if it were between faust and xeiron I would lean xeiron but feel okay with either.

Also, this. Suggesting to lynch someone who claimed to turn IC tomorrow? I think scum would be desperate enough to try that by now.
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« Reply #887 on: December 05, 2013, 11:35:53 am »

Can somebody please review (sorry, work is busy) and repost a list with claimed data (flavor name, in particular, would be of benefit here).

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« Reply #888 on: December 05, 2013, 11:37:29 am »

Claiming summary:

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A king sits in his throne staring out the window. He reflects on all the terrible things he’s done to reach such an important title. His methods are just like his window - painless. But that doesn’t mean they aren’t harmful. And now, after all this time, he wishes for his wife to return to him again. His daughters have all married off or were lost in the fold. His only son has suffered much deceit and deception and no grandchildren can be called his own. No advisers around to captain his decisions. All certainly could’ve be stopped a single golden touch. His curse is what started all this terror and turmoil, and it is that which will soon end it all.


ashersky - Wolf-aligned 'Big Bad' Godfather/Ninja. Lynched Day 1.

The post office gets busy around the holidays. Especially with the throngs of people clamoring at the doors. “Can’t you see we’re closed every other day?” The grizzled owner always says in reply to the constant banging. But some packages must be delivered. Some deliveries must be received. However, others can wait until morning. And what a morning the following day was! Someone was killed! And not just anyone- the shopkeeper! A bullet-sized hole piercing his skin and going clean through. Such a close-up attack will not go unnoticed. On the bright side, the post office is finally open on Tuesdays.

(Voltgloss)Ashersky - 'Robin hood' flavor cop

EFHW - Witch-aligned 'Maleficent' 2-shot Watcher. Killed Day 2.

A skilled thief that comes without warning. The power of association is the only way to stop this criminal’s methods.

mail-mi - Desperado

The view from the edge of the forest is one to behold. Looking deep into it, you can see the thicket of massive trees and the few berry bushes decorating the land. An axe resides in the forest and threatens to destroy the colossal foliage. Two others are present, as well. Though their story isn’t discussed until later.

faust - 'Rapunzel' REDACTED Ascetic 4-shot Mailman

Legend has it that the world will die as quickly as it was born. By the hands of a silent and solo killer, his body stained an ugly red from the blood of it’s dead victims. He will murder again if one doesn’t stand up for what is write. Like a protector; shrouded in wooden mystery.

xeiron - 'Sleeping Beauty' Day4 innocent child

From high in the air, all can be seen. Sight is limited by the bullets fired, but that shouldn’t be a problem for hunters as skilled as them. Twin pillars reach towards the sky; stationed a fair distance from one another. One is oddly reachable while the other ascends to no end. They’re both covered in thick foliage, though one is the younger brother. At the base of the towers, a long trail leads from one to another. A fragile connection that was never meant to exist.

XerxesPraelor - 'Prince Charming' bodyguard dead N2

Sand spells instant slumber; it’s spelling may save your life.

BoxOfDog - Pied piper. 1-shot lightningrod. (+1-shot voyeur)

At the far corner of the kingdom, powerful entities reside. Some powers reflected by valuable talismans while others are tucked away; forced into hiding. Not all power is held by the just. Ancient evils guard sacred artifacts and daring heroes seek to obtain them. Unselfishly, they risk their lives for the good of others and will fight to the bitter end. But will such heroes endure to the end? Or will this crusade be their last?


Jimmmmm - 'The Woodcutter' doctor of all trades dead N2 (probably poisoned N1)

The fair city is under attack! Houses will be ransacked and plains will be burned, but not until later much later. Only one can sense the danger all around and can guide others to safety. But they will hide; not protect. The city is not near, but far. So far away that none can reach it save for the one in blue. Yes, lin (though roasted swine should be placed first) will soon be destroyed if he doesn’t save it.


Morgrim7 - 'Tom Thumb', the Doctor/Hider Lynched D2

chairs - Thieving Inventor
gives someone a crystal balls and golden the golden touch. Takes something back.

At the break of dawn
Promises are broken
Bright light from above
Illuminates the kingdom

Shows what’s hidden

Others are naked
And exposed
Others are dressed for success
Full investigations
Investigations unlike any other
That follow close behind


Enchanted forest flavor:

Purple poisons the well
Activates the dead at the sound of a yell

Shattered glass ignites the flame
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #889 on: December 05, 2013, 11:39:10 am »

I think everyone should massclaim now.
Flavorname, role and QT-flavor
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« Reply #890 on: December 05, 2013, 11:44:13 am »

I think everyone should massclaim now.
Flavorname, role and QT-flavor

I am an Even-Night Ascetic 4-shot Same Night Mailman. So you could cop me tonight to confirm this. Flavorname is Rapunzel, to repeat that. I sit in my tower, no-one can reach me and I have to communicate via mail. On odd night, I let my hair down.

Full QT flavor:

A world of wood unseen by it’s makers. Between the uncut pages, evil lurks. Terrible termites and incredible handiwork make up the carved oak. Legend has it that the world will die as quickly as it was born. By the hands of a silent and solo killer, his body stained an ugly red from the blood of it’s dead victims. He will murder again if one doesn’t stand up for what is write. Like a protector; shrouded in wooden mystery.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #891 on: December 05, 2013, 12:00:53 pm »

I've fullclaimed, but again, my name is Rumpelstiltskin and I am a Thieving Inventor.

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« Reply #892 on: December 05, 2013, 12:12:33 pm »

I think the only ones we are missing is Pingpongsam to claim Role and Flavor name, Mail-mi to claim flavor name, and Ashersky to claim QT-flavour (and role name? or is it flavour cop?)
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« Reply #893 on: December 05, 2013, 12:34:43 pm »

I think the only ones we are missing is Pingpongsam to claim Role and Flavor name, Mail-mi to claim flavor name, and Ashersky to claim QT-flavour (and role name? or is it flavour cop?)

I'm Puss 'n Boots.

I think that we should leave chairs and ash alive for now. If one of them is scum, they'll POE themselves soon. X we should leave alive because he'll become an IC tomorrow. That means I'm left with vote: pps
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« Reply #894 on: December 05, 2013, 12:40:02 pm »

I think the only ones we are missing is Pingpongsam to claim Role and Flavor name, Mail-mi to claim flavor name, and Ashersky to claim QT-flavour (and role name? or is it flavour cop?)

I'm Puss 'n Boots.

I think that we should leave chairs and ash alive for now. If one of them is scum, they'll POE themselves soon. X we should leave alive because he'll become an IC tomorrow. That means I'm left with vote: pps

Not that I'm not grateful, but why do you want to keep me alive?
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« Reply #895 on: December 05, 2013, 12:44:30 pm »

I think the only ones we are missing is Pingpongsam to claim Role and Flavor name, Mail-mi to claim flavor name, and Ashersky to claim QT-flavour (and role name? or is it flavour cop?)

I'm Puss 'n Boots.

I think that we should leave chairs and ash alive for now. If one of them is scum, they'll POE themselves soon. X we should leave alive because he'll become an IC tomorrow. That means I'm left with vote: pps

Not that I'm not grateful, but why do you want to keep me alive?

Your claim makes sense. PPS has yet to claim.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #896 on: December 05, 2013, 12:52:46 pm »

vote: pingpongsam that's L-2

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #897 on: December 05, 2013, 01:01:03 pm »

vote: pingpongsam that's L-2

It's L-1. mail-mi, you and me are now voting pps, and it takes 4 to lynch.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #898 on: December 05, 2013, 02:05:01 pm »

vote: pingpongsam that's L-2

It's L-1. mail-mi, you and me are now voting pps, and it takes 4 to lynch.

Whoops, I was thinking 5 to lynch still.  Good catch!

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #899 on: December 05, 2013, 02:09:02 pm »

I am perfectly fine with claim as I have promised all along to do so on D3.

However, before we do so I must announce that this specific game state very likely leaves me in direct control of whether we win today or not. If I claim I will forfeit this position. The real clincher to this is that I am the only one who can make the call today. It is almost a stroke of luck that the game state has arrived to put me in this position, my role and playing has not been to arrive at this point specifically.

So, does Town want to forfeit a power that can directly effect the outcome of the current game state? Bearing mind that the outcome will literally be 50/50 based on my own very unsure judgement? Once my role is exposed I will make just plain awful lynch because I will effectively be VT.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #900 on: December 05, 2013, 02:09:50 pm »

Well, I am L-1 so here goes the claim, typing it out now.

Kiss your day power goodbye, Town.
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« Reply #901 on: December 05, 2013, 02:14:05 pm »

I am the Sandman and my role is governor.

I get to target a person each night and that person is added to a roster of people I can save from lynch after the fact, that is during twilight.

I targeted EFHW N0 so that target was useless when mail-mi shot her (and rightly so).

I targeted chairs N1 and I targeted ashersky N2. So, if either chairs or ashersky were lynched today I have the option to save them.
My plan was to see one of them lynched and then try to get them pre-flip themselves and save a town mislynch in case we went wrong.

So, that plan is foiled, my power is now useless and feel free to kill me it won't make a hill of beans except to secure a win for scum.
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« Reply #902 on: December 05, 2013, 02:16:57 pm »

A self-hammer feels so appropriate right now.
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« Reply #903 on: December 05, 2013, 02:21:15 pm »

Ashersky seems to be inconsistent about his role:
Here is his claim:
I am Robin Hood.  I target a player and steal something related to their flavor. 

I'd like to hear how Tom Thumb makes any sense.

But his result is a name, not a item.
No, it doesn't.  He's lying.  He spelled the name wrong, for one, as it is Rumpelstiltskin, not Rumplestiltskin.  Two, Rumpelstiltskin was not a thief at all.  He was a magic imp that did things for you in exchange for things.  No stealing, no "association."

This is a fake claim, probably his provided one.  My investigation returned the Pied Piper as our cop.

And then we have this quote:
Robin Hood has a band of merry men, dude.  Singing and music is integral.
Ashersky tries to explain how sheet notes would make sense for robin hood. Even though it it obvious hat it does not make sense.
Why does he try to explain it when he also claims chairs is lying scum?
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« Reply #904 on: December 05, 2013, 02:28:00 pm »

I am the Sandman and my role is governor.

I get to target a person each night and that person is added to a roster of people I can save from lynch after the fact, that is during twilight.

I targeted EFHW N0 so that target was useless when mail-mi shot her (and rightly so).

I targeted chairs N1 and I targeted ashersky N2. So, if either chairs or ashersky were lynched today I have the option to save them.
My plan was to see one of them lynched and then try to get them pre-flip themselves and save a town mislynch in case we went wrong.

So, that plan is foiled, my power is now useless and feel free to kill me it won't make a hill of beans except to secure a win for scum.

Why would lynching you secure a win for scum?

And if you save someone. Is it a no-lynch? or can we lynch someone else?
Is the role 1-shot?
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« Reply #905 on: December 05, 2013, 02:35:46 pm »

The role is not specified as being one shot. Considering the likelihood of targeting the people to be saved and them being lynched multiple times in the same game is very low it is effectively one shot. Also, upoon preventing a lynch my roster of names is flushed so I have to start over, so yeah it is neutered to effectively one-shot.

I do not know for sure if it is no-lynch in case I save them. I never asked and it wasn't included in my PM. It simply says the lynch will fail.

Lynching me means a town mislynch and likely two scum NKs going into D4 with 4 people and all of our roles exposed. I feel that if we mislynch today then Town has lost which is ridiculous considering how well we started.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #906 on: December 05, 2013, 02:39:46 pm »

Ashersky seems to be inconsistent about his role:
Here is his claim:
I am Robin Hood.  I target a player and steal something related to their flavor. 

I'd like to hear how Tom Thumb makes any sense.

But his result is a name, not a item.
No, it doesn't.  He's lying.  He spelled the name wrong, for one, as it is Rumpelstiltskin, not Rumplestiltskin.  Two, Rumpelstiltskin was not a thief at all.  He was a magic imp that did things for you in exchange for things.  No stealing, no "association."

This is a fake claim, probably his provided one.  My investigation returned the Pied Piper as our cop.

And then we have this quote:
Robin Hood has a band of merry men, dude.  Singing and music is integral.
Ashersky tries to explain how sheet notes would make sense for robin hood. Even though it it obvious hat it does not make sense.
Why does he try to explain it when he also claims chairs is lying scum?

Excellent point.

vote: ashersky.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #907 on: December 05, 2013, 02:47:53 pm »

Ashersky seems to be inconsistent about his role:
Here is his claim:
I am Robin Hood.  I target a player and steal something related to their flavor. 

I'd like to hear how Tom Thumb makes any sense.

But his result is a name, not a item.
No, it doesn't.  He's lying.  He spelled the name wrong, for one, as it is Rumpelstiltskin, not Rumplestiltskin.  Two, Rumpelstiltskin was not a thief at all.  He was a magic imp that did things for you in exchange for things.  No stealing, no "association."

This is a fake claim, probably his provided one.  My investigation returned the Pied Piper as our cop.

And then we have this quote:
Robin Hood has a band of merry men, dude.  Singing and music is integral.
Ashersky tries to explain how sheet notes would make sense for robin hood. Even though it it obvious hat it does not make sense.
Why does he try to explain it when he also claims chairs is lying scum?

Excellent point.

vote: ashersky.

No, terrible point.

Box has unfortunately saved your skin, chairs.  He gives you a plausible reason to have the results you have, as well as explaining how you are lying.

As for xeiron's post, I claimed flavor cop.  The flavorful way in which I receive that matches my character.  If you read my results PM, you'd understand.  And as to why I would explain how my innocent role could be related to sheet music, who not?  Chairs was making shit up, literally choosing a thing.  I was naming a specific character.  Which one is easier to fake?  I claimed Robin Hood the day before, so he just needed something close to claim.

Now, it turns out a Lightning Rod messed all results up.

What has come out now is that chairs LIED yesterday.  He claimed flavor cop, but today switches to inventor?  If he's lying as town, fuck man, that has got to stop on f.ds.  Or he's scum.

My vote stays on chairs.  He's either scum that needs to die or lying town who needs to policy die.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #908 on: December 05, 2013, 02:49:39 pm »

tl;dr scum should just claim now, I think we've won.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #909 on: December 05, 2013, 02:54:16 pm »

Ashersky seems to be inconsistent about his role:
Here is his claim:
I am Robin Hood.  I target a player and steal something related to their flavor. 

I'd like to hear how Tom Thumb makes any sense.

But his result is a name, not a item.
No, it doesn't.  He's lying.  He spelled the name wrong, for one, as it is Rumpelstiltskin, not Rumplestiltskin.  Two, Rumpelstiltskin was not a thief at all.  He was a magic imp that did things for you in exchange for things.  No stealing, no "association."

This is a fake claim, probably his provided one.  My investigation returned the Pied Piper as our cop.

And then we have this quote:
Robin Hood has a band of merry men, dude.  Singing and music is integral.
Ashersky tries to explain how sheet notes would make sense for robin hood. Even though it it obvious hat it does not make sense.
Why does he try to explain it when he also claims chairs is lying scum?

Excellent point.

vote: ashersky.

No, terrible point.

Box has unfortunately saved your skin, chairs.  He gives you a plausible reason to have the results you have, as well as explaining how you are lying.

As for xeiron's post, I claimed flavor cop.  The flavorful way in which I receive that matches my character.  If you read my results PM, you'd understand.  And as to why I would explain how my innocent role could be related to sheet music, who not?  Chairs was making shit up, literally choosing a thing.  I was naming a specific character.  Which one is easier to fake?  I claimed Robin Hood the day before, so he just needed something close to claim.

Now, it turns out a Lightning Rod messed all results up.

What has come out now is that chairs LIED yesterday.  He claimed flavor cop, but today switches to inventor?  If he's lying as town, fuck man, that has got to stop on f.ds.  Or he's scum.

My vote stays on chairs.  He's either scum that needs to die or lying town who needs to policy die.

It's not false that I have a flavor cop power - as a subset of my ability.

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« Reply #910 on: December 05, 2013, 03:22:12 pm »

The role is not specified as being one shot. Considering the likelihood of targeting the people to be saved and them being lynched multiple times in the same game is very low it is effectively one shot. Also, upoon preventing a lynch my roster of names is flushed so I have to start over, so yeah it is neutered to effectively one-shot.

I do not know for sure if it is no-lynch in case I save them. I never asked and it wasn't included in my PM. It simply says the lynch will fail.

Lynching me means a town mislynch and likely two scum NKs going into D4 with 4 people and all of our roles exposed. I feel that if we mislynch today then Town has lost which is ridiculous considering how well we started.

I do not think the situation has to be that bad.
We do not necessarily have two nightkills left in the game.

Lets have a look at the facts.
Jimmmmms role indicate three types of kills:
Arsonist kills, poison kills, and normal kills.


Purple poisons the well
Activates the dead at the sound of a yell

Shattered glass ignites the flame
A burning desire that only love can tame


This snippets indicate that purple allignment (EFHW) do use poison.
Team purple is targeted Jimm N1. This is the only explanation of Jimmmms death, as all other kills would have been directed by lightningrod to Box, and then further by bodyguard to Xerxes.
The snippet also indicates that the arsonist (fire) NK may be activated during the game.

My guess is. EFHW is on a team alone, and kills by poison.
When she dies(Maleficent - magic orb - shatterd glass - dead)  , Big Bad Asherskys arsonist kill is activated. (Ashersky is the red team = fire, and "thinks maybe" he have a nightkill)
In addition to these two, we have a third scumteam of one or two scum that uses a standard nightkill.
The last team targeted Box N1 (protected by morgrim) or no-one (if Voltgloss was the one to submit a kill)
Do we know of other ways to stop a kill?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #911 on: December 05, 2013, 03:24:12 pm »

Chairs, you purposefully meddled the town yesterday.  It may not have been "false" technically, but that's exactly how scum lies.  They use half-truths to be more believable.
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« Reply #912 on: December 05, 2013, 03:25:38 pm »

Meddled = misled
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #913 on: December 05, 2013, 03:31:29 pm »

Chairs, you purposefully meddled the town yesterday.  It may not have been "false" technically, but that's exactly how scum lies.  They use half-truths to be more believable.

I had no intent of misleading town yesterday.  If there was any misleading, it was unintentional.  My "thieving" part of my role is not the same as the "inventor" part of my role and the inventor side isn't particularly relevant.

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« Reply #914 on: December 05, 2013, 03:36:10 pm »

Chairs, you purposefully meddled the town yesterday.  It may not have been "false" technically, but that's exactly how scum lies.  They use half-truths to be more believable.

I had no intent of misleading town yesterday.  If there was any misleading, it was unintentional.  My "thieving" part of my role is not the same as the "inventor" part of my role and the inventor side isn't particularly relevant.

Inventor is your role.  Thieving is a modifier.  Town's best play is absolutely claiming inventor and hiding the thieving part so as to catch scum.  You did not do that and instead tried to buy town cred by claiming the towniest part of the role.

Which is all just yo say you are lying scum with a similar role (probably role cop, given the roles in this game) or (less likely) lying town that needs to be policy lynched.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #915 on: December 05, 2013, 03:41:21 pm »

Ashersky, can we please have your QT-flavor?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #916 on: December 05, 2013, 03:43:11 pm »

Shadows cover the land
Let me take you by the hand

Here is the one you want
The one who is sure to haunt

Another will come unto you and chide
A tune to turn the tide

At least you reach the town
Where friends and foes abound

A deadly assassin
Will at last then

Eliminate the final gasp of hope
At the hands of the one who evades the rope


Hence why I asked about rope.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #917 on: December 05, 2013, 03:43:45 pm »

iPad italics fail.  It was all italicized in the QT.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #918 on: December 05, 2013, 03:43:57 pm »

ashersky really seems to be tunneling chairs.

I feel that it is 50/50 that one of them is scum and I would wager ashersky to be the scum simply because of his driving chairs.

I have to admit the possibility that they are both town. Pushing the ashersky vs chairs line is practically useless to me at this point because I'll never get a straight answer out of a scum in twilight since Town just had to force me to claim. If we looked at other possibilities we might get different reads on our candidates but no, it's just going be ashersky incessantly pushing chairs.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #919 on: December 05, 2013, 03:45:48 pm »

ashersky really seems to be tunneling chairs.

I feel that it is 50/50 that one of them is scum and I would wager ashersky to be the scum simply because of his driving chairs.

I have to admit the possibility that they are both town. Pushing the ashersky vs chairs line is practically useless to me at this point because I'll never get a straight answer out of a scum in twilight since Town just had to force me to claim. If we looked at other possibilities we might get different reads on our candidates but no, it's just going be ashersky incessantly pushing chairs.

But chairs isn't tunneling me?  Really?

Faust and you are my other scum reads.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #920 on: December 05, 2013, 04:03:56 pm »

What, exactly, is scummy about me?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #921 on: December 05, 2013, 04:06:33 pm »

What, exactly, is scummy about me?

Up until the claim, being unwilling to claim.

After the claim, having a basically unverifiable claim.  The ability to choose multiple people a night strikes me as very unlikely, anyway.

Plus, you remind me of when we were scum together in Monster Madness.

Bonus, you somehow decided it wasn't a good idea to vote for me on D1 AFTER I came clean about being scum.  Until things played out the way they have, I thought you might have been my secret partner.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #922 on: December 05, 2013, 04:07:44 pm »

What, exactly, is scummy about me?

And even though you didn't ask, faust remains scummy because mailman is scummy.  And then he claims to not have sent a note last night?  Not buying it.

So, I'd say, most likely to end the game for us now:

lynch chairs > lynch faust > lynch PPS

If that didn't work, I don't know.  Scum Lightning Rod is like an f.ds meme, so maybe Box?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #923 on: December 05, 2013, 04:13:51 pm »

My role dictated that I not claim. I'm pissed I had to claim but I completely understand why Town turned on me for being the last to have claimed. I was always against the massclaim specifically for that reason.

If you want to verify my claim vote yourself to a lynch and I'll save you, then I'll be IC and you will still be alive.

I opposed your D1 lynch because you hazard such audacious play I thought it feasible it was a bluff just to smack Town for having pushed you so hard.

I'm down for putting some pressure on faust, he has kept me suspicious the entire game. I think he is playing a solid game regardless of alignment. It is practically inscrutable. I am total agreement that mailman is in no way a redeeming attribute.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #924 on: December 05, 2013, 04:19:45 pm »

I have a plan!
1. We lynch Ashersky
2. During night
    Chairs investigates mail-mi (the only one worth investigating)
    faust sends a letter to mail-mi (for max use of Box' power)
    pps targets mail-mi (same reson)
    Box  uses the voyeur power on mail-mi
    mail-mi accepts chairs stealing (does not guess correct name)
   
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #925 on: December 05, 2013, 04:20:55 pm »

I am the Sandman and my role is governor.

I get to target a person each night and that person is added to a roster of people I can save from lynch after the fact, that is during twilight.

I targeted EFHW N0 so that target was useless when mail-mi shot her (and rightly so).

I targeted chairs N1 and I targeted ashersky N2. So, if either chairs or ashersky were lynched today I have the option to save them.
My plan was to see one of them lynched and then try to get them pre-flip themselves and save a town mislynch in case we went wrong.

So, that plan is foiled, my power is now useless and feel free to kill me it won't make a hill of beans except to secure a win for scum.

You make it sound like your plan all along was the have both cop claimers saveable and then figure it out with the twilight plan.

Except, well, you say here you chose chairs on N1. Why chairs on N1?  For what reason at all?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #926 on: December 05, 2013, 04:22:20 pm »

I have a plan!
1. We lynch Ashersky
2. During night
    Chairs investigates mail-mi (the only one worth investigating)
    faust sends a letter to mail-mi (for max use of Box' power)
    pps targets mail-mi (same reson)
    Box  uses the voyeur power on mail-mi
    mail-mi accepts chairs stealing (does not guess correct name)
   
vote: ashersky

That plan requires everyone involved to be Town at night which means we won the game when we lynched ashersky, doesn't it? I mean, otherwise great plan and i'm down for it if my logic is proven failed.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #927 on: December 05, 2013, 04:22:38 pm »

I have a plan!
1. We lynch Ashersky
2. During night
    Chairs investigates mail-mi (the only one worth investigating)
    faust sends a letter to mail-mi (for max use of Box' power)
    pps targets mail-mi (same reson)
    Box  uses the voyeur power on mail-mi
    mail-mi accepts chairs stealing (does not guess correct name)
   
vote: ashersky

Why mail-mi for everything?  He's CLEARLY town, given he was a desperado who shot scum.  If you are really going to kill off your flavor cop, why would you do everything you can to target a cleared townie AND ask rely on chairs for so much?

I mean, once I flip town, you'll know chairs is scum.  Or are you going with "they're probably both town" and hoping for the best?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #928 on: December 05, 2013, 04:23:04 pm »

I have a plan!
1. We lynch Ashersky
2. During night
    Chairs investigates mail-mi (the only one worth investigating)
    faust sends a letter to mail-mi (for max use of Box' power)
    pps targets mail-mi (same reson)
    Box  uses the voyeur power on mail-mi
    mail-mi accepts chairs stealing (does not guess correct name)
   
vote: ashersky

That plan requires everyone involved to be Town at night which means we won the game when we lynched ashersky, doesn't it? I mean, otherwise great plan and i'm down for it if my logic is proven failed.

Except, when you lynch me and you see I'm town, that fucks your plan.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #929 on: December 05, 2013, 04:26:16 pm »

Here's who's left:

1. pingpongsam
3. Voltgloss ashersky
5. mail-mi
6. faust
7. xeiron
9. BoxOfDog
12. chairs

7 people.  We have mail-mi the IC, based on his Desperado shot.  Everyone else is technically still possibly scum, right?

We have:

PPS -- claimed Governor, which is easily of either alignment
ashersky -- claimed Flavor Cop, proven true, alignment not proven
mail-mi -- Desperado, proven true, kill scum and lived - basically IC
faust -- mail-man, (was this proven to even happen?), easily of either alignment, more likely scum
xeiron -- did you have a role other than being protected by xerxes?
BoxofDOG -- Lightning Rod, proven true (I think),  easily of either alignment, usually scum on f.ds
chairs -- Thieving Invetor, fake claimed Flavor Cop, proved liar, scum
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #930 on: December 05, 2013, 04:27:08 pm »

I am the Sandman and my role is governor.

I get to target a person each night and that person is added to a roster of people I can save from lynch after the fact, that is during twilight.

I targeted EFHW N0 so that target was useless when mail-mi shot her (and rightly so).

I targeted chairs N1 and I targeted ashersky N2. So, if either chairs or ashersky were lynched today I have the option to save them.
My plan was to see one of them lynched and then try to get them pre-flip themselves and save a town mislynch in case we went wrong.

So, that plan is foiled, my power is now useless and feel free to kill me it won't make a hill of beans except to secure a win for scum.

You make it sound like your plan all along was the have both cop claimers saveable and then figure it out with the twilight plan.

Except, well, you say here you chose chairs on N1. Why chairs on N1?  For what reason at all?

Actually, believe it or not, I actually posted in my QT why I selected chairs specifically for posterity so it'll be a great laugh for you when this game is over. If it is okay to post stuff out of the QT besides the flavor passage I'll paste it in here.

And No, I specifically stated it was a sheer stroke of luck that I ended up in the control position with the 2 "cops" as my targets. It was never a plan. In fact, I never planned to use my power because it was never clear who the scum was. It was only in this predicament did I hatch the plan to hope for a soft-flip in twilight.

Town ashersky loves to vote himself, do it and I'll cut the rope and you can see. I'm awaiting mod-confirmation on whether or not my lynch failing causes us to go into night or restores day.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #931 on: December 05, 2013, 04:30:45 pm »

I posit we are looking for one scum (or two, I suppose).

We had two kills last night.  There was no kill flavor provided that would help us figure out anything.  Jimmmmm's claim, which we can now believe, pointed to three types of kills.

So, three types of scum.  If you are doing that in a game this small, my best guess is one scum for each type of kill.  We had the Big Bad Wolf (ashersky), we had the Witch (EFHW), and now we have something else.

If we believe poisons work slowly, the Witch makes sense, and EFHW must have killed one of the two who died today back on N1.

The other scum chose not to kill on N1 or was blocked.  The wolf couldn't kill because he was dead.

I think that's the most likely scenario we are in now.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #932 on: December 05, 2013, 04:31:44 pm »

I am the Sandman and my role is governor.

I get to target a person each night and that person is added to a roster of people I can save from lynch after the fact, that is during twilight.

I targeted EFHW N0 so that target was useless when mail-mi shot her (and rightly so).

I targeted chairs N1 and I targeted ashersky N2. So, if either chairs or ashersky were lynched today I have the option to save them.
My plan was to see one of them lynched and then try to get them pre-flip themselves and save a town mislynch in case we went wrong.

So, that plan is foiled, my power is now useless and feel free to kill me it won't make a hill of beans except to secure a win for scum.

You make it sound like your plan all along was the have both cop claimers saveable and then figure it out with the twilight plan.

Except, well, you say here you chose chairs on N1. Why chairs on N1?  For what reason at all?

Actually, believe it or not, I actually posted in my QT why I selected chairs specifically for posterity so it'll be a great laugh for you when this game is over. If it is okay to post stuff out of the QT besides the flavor passage I'll paste it in here.

And No, I specifically stated it was a sheer stroke of luck that I ended up in the control position with the 2 "cops" as my targets. It was never a plan. In fact, I never planned to use my power because it was never clear who the scum was. It was only in this predicament did I hatch the plan to hope for a soft-flip in twilight.

Town ashersky loves to vote himself, do it and I'll cut the rope and you can see. I'm awaiting mod-confirmation on whether or not my lynch failing causes us to go into night or restores day.

I'd have to trust you (and trust you on behalf of the entire town, given you could just let the mislynch go through) for me to do that.  I suppose you could save me and just lynch me again if that was your plan in the first place.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #933 on: December 05, 2013, 04:32:32 pm »

I don't possibly see how this affects the game, they are my words after all:


For posterity:
I picked chairs first because based on his play in RMM9 coupled with the fact that he is still on phone access only I believe he will be the easiest read. If I read him as Town but his easy to misrepresent play leads him to a lynch I can foil it. If I read him as Mafia I will feel confident of that read and not have my sprinkles on someone harder to gauge.
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« Reply #934 on: December 05, 2013, 04:34:10 pm »

PPS -- claimed Governor, which is easily of either alignment
ashersky -- claimed Flavor Cop, proven true, alignment not proven
mail-mi -- Desperado, proven true, kill scum and lived - basically IC
faust -- mail-man, (was this proven to even happen?), easily of either alignment, more likely scum
xeiron -- did you have a role other than being protected by xerxes?
BoxofDOG -- Lightning Rod, proven true (I think),  easily of either alignment, usually scum on f.ds
chairs -- Thieving Invetor, fake claimed Flavor Cop, proved liar, scum

Of these claims, the Thieving Inventor is clearly the fakest, and mail-man is the scummiest.  I think we can just lynch our way through the claims to win the game.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #935 on: December 05, 2013, 04:34:45 pm »

I am the Sandman and my role is governor.

I get to target a person each night and that person is added to a roster of people I can save from lynch after the fact, that is during twilight.

I targeted EFHW N0 so that target was useless when mail-mi shot her (and rightly so).

I targeted chairs N1 and I targeted ashersky N2. So, if either chairs or ashersky were lynched today I have the option to save them.
My plan was to see one of them lynched and then try to get them pre-flip themselves and save a town mislynch in case we went wrong.

So, that plan is foiled, my power is now useless and feel free to kill me it won't make a hill of beans except to secure a win for scum.

You make it sound like your plan all along was the have both cop claimers saveable and then figure it out with the twilight plan.

Except, well, you say here you chose chairs on N1. Why chairs on N1?  For what reason at all?

Actually, believe it or not, I actually posted in my QT why I selected chairs specifically for posterity so it'll be a great laugh for you when this game is over. If it is okay to post stuff out of the QT besides the flavor passage I'll paste it in here.

And No, I specifically stated it was a sheer stroke of luck that I ended up in the control position with the 2 "cops" as my targets. It was never a plan. In fact, I never planned to use my power because it was never clear who the scum was. It was only in this predicament did I hatch the plan to hope for a soft-flip in twilight.

Town ashersky loves to vote himself, do it and I'll cut the rope and you can see. I'm awaiting mod-confirmation on whether or not my lynch failing causes us to go into night or restores day.

I'd have to trust you (and trust you on behalf of the entire town, given you could just let the mislynch go through) for me to do that.  I suppose you could save me and just lynch me again if that was your plan in the first place.

Look, I don't have you pegged either way. The purpose of the exercise would be to gain IC status. We should definitely wait to see if we go into night afterwards, though.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #936 on: December 05, 2013, 04:35:12 pm »

I want to hear some words from faust. He reads high on my scum-o-meter.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #937 on: December 05, 2013, 04:35:59 pm »

Look, I don't have you pegged either way. The purpose of the exercise would be to gain IC status. We should definitely wait to see if we go into night afterwards, though.

I don't know if I'd go so far as to say IC.  It would confirm your role, though.  Do you do it publicly in thread, though?  Or do you PM the mod.

We won't know you did it, technically.  Or you and I are a scum team again and just fooling everyone.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #938 on: December 05, 2013, 04:43:24 pm »

Damn, I do have to do the magic in my QT. I think having your ass retrieved from the lynch is good enough proof, though. True it doesn't prove alignment but if you are town and I save you it should prove it to you at the least.

I have to leave work and take my dog to the vet to get some stitches removed. ashersky is L-1 so I am unvote.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #939 on: December 05, 2013, 04:48:30 pm »

I have a plan!
1. We lynch Ashersky
2. During night
    Chairs investigates mail-mi (the only one worth investigating)
    faust sends a letter to mail-mi (for max use of Box' power)
    pps targets mail-mi (same reson)
    Box  uses the voyeur power on mail-mi
    mail-mi accepts chairs stealing (does not guess correct name)
   
vote: ashersky

Why mail-mi for everything?  He's CLEARLY town, given he was a desperado who shot scum.  If you are really going to kill off your flavor cop, why would you do everything you can to target a cleared townie AND ask rely on chairs for so much?

I mean, once I flip town, you'll know chairs is scum.  Or are you going with "they're probably both town" and hoping for the best?

Read the flavor!
Pingpongsams claim is flavorsupprted by xerxes QT
Faust claim is supported by big bad ashersky QT
Chairs by EFHW
Box by chairs QT
I find no good mentions of me, mail-mi, Ashersky, and the two scumfakeclaims we have.

If we lynch Ashesky, And my town status is modconfirmed tomorrow. Mail-mi is the most sensible to flavor-invetigate. Chair gives pr's for free, so he would love to target town anyway.
Mail-mi can prove he is town by not guessing the name.

If chairs targets mail-mi, it is obviously best for box to do the same. He can find out if chairs action is as he claimed, or something else.

While we are at it. Pps and chairs have "useless" nightactions that may be of use in this case. Box will be able to confirm that they do use their actions. Maybe we will be lucky and catch scum if they have  a "either nk or pr"- restriction. I would not count on it, though. But there is nothing to lose on then targeting mail-mi.

Lastly scum has a nightkill, but they cannot stop both box and chairs from getting a result.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #940 on: December 05, 2013, 04:51:44 pm »

Lastly scum has a nightkill, but they cannot stop both box and chairs from getting a result.

And since you are telling scum where everyone will be targeting, chairs or faust can just aim elsewhere, get another dead townie, and then argue on D4 that Box is lying.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #941 on: December 05, 2013, 04:53:38 pm »

Pingpongsam should not stop an ashersky lynch.
Targeting mail-mi, and having box voyeur it is a better way to confirm pps claim.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #942 on: December 05, 2013, 04:56:43 pm »

Lastly scum has a nightkill, but they cannot stop both box and chairs from getting a result.

And since you are telling scum where everyone will be targeting, chairs or faust can just aim elsewhere, get another dead townie, and then argue on D4 that Box is lying.

Is so, we just caught chairs or faust because morgrim have made box an IC after he doctored/hid behind him.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #943 on: December 05, 2013, 04:57:58 pm »

Pingpongsam should not stop an ashersky lynch.
Targeting mail-mi, and having box voyeur it is a better way to confirm pps claim.

Why are we listening to you at all?  What makes you any more trustworthy than anyone else?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #944 on: December 05, 2013, 04:59:33 pm »

Lastly scum has a nightkill, but they cannot stop both box and chairs from getting a result.

And since you are telling scum where everyone will be targeting, chairs or faust can just aim elsewhere, get another dead townie, and then argue on D4 that Box is lying.

Is so, we just caught chairs or faust because morgrim have made box an IC after he doctored/hid behind him.

We have no clue what Morgrim did or didn't do.  He LIED to the town about his role.  Given we have no idea what his role even means (I mean, two compulsive roles at once, with an "or" between them?).  Maybe he hid behind Box, maybe he doctored someone else.  Or he Doctored Box, which doesn't mean anything.

If we could trust the information Morgrim gave us, we could try to sort things out.  But he said he "copped" Box.  But we know he didn't.

It's pretty believable that box is an LR like he claims, but as mentioned, that's a scum role on f.ds.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #945 on: December 05, 2013, 05:06:24 pm »

I posit we are looking for one scum (or two, I suppose).

We had two kills last night.  There was no kill flavor provided that would help us figure out anything.  Jimmmmm's claim, which we can now believe, pointed to three types of kills.

So, three types of scum.  If you are doing that in a game this small, my best guess is one scum for each type of kill.  We had the Big Bad Wolf (ashersky), we had the Witch (EFHW), and now we have something else.

If we believe poisons work slowly, the Witch makes sense, and EFHW must have killed one of the two who died today back on N1.

The other scum chose not to kill on N1 or was blocked.  The wolf couldn't kill because he was dead.

I think that's the most likely scenario we are in now.

Please look at my kill analysis on the previous page and note the conclution.
We have massclaimed, and the only NK-blockers claimed is jimm and morgrim. Jimm healed no-one. Morgrim possibly healed box.
Box seems like a strange choice of nightkill. The "masons" jimm and EFHW would be a much more natural choice.

The other possibility is that they did not kill anyone. The obvious explanation would be that Voltgloss is the guy with the NK, but he wasn't around that night.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #946 on: December 05, 2013, 05:18:32 pm »

Lastly scum has a nightkill, but they cannot stop both box and chairs from getting a result.

And since you are telling scum where everyone will be targeting, chairs or faust can just aim elsewhere, get another dead townie, and then argue on D4 that Box is lying.

Is so, we just caught chairs or faust because morgrim have made box an IC after he doctored/hid behind him.

We have no clue what Morgrim did or didn't do.  He LIED to the town about his role.  Given we have no idea what his role even means (I mean, two compulsive roles at once, with an "or" between them?).  Maybe he hid behind Box, maybe he doctored someone else.  Or he Doctored Box, which doesn't mean anything.

If we could trust the information Morgrim gave us, we could try to sort things out.  But he said he "copped" Box.  But we know he didn't.

It's pretty believable that box is an LR like he claims, but as mentioned, that's a scum role on f.ds.

I simply refuse to believe that morgrim would play so antitown, That he would die claiming he had cleared someone he had not.
Morgims fakeclaims makes sense in a way that he claimed the weak PR part but exluding the weaknesses of being a hider. I understand why morgrim claimed as he did.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #947 on: December 05, 2013, 05:27:53 pm »

Pingpongsam should not stop an ashersky lynch.
Targeting mail-mi, and having box voyeur it is a better way to confirm pps claim.

Why are we listening to you at all?  What makes you any more trustworthy than anyone else?

My goal is that people should listen to because I make sense.

Currently, much of the evidense is against you.
Robin hood not being mentioned in QT-flavour. Just like other scum fakeclaims.
The missing nightkill.
Voltgloss not being modkilled.
And how you are flailing lately, desperately trying to paint everybody scummy in an attempt to get more people into lynchrange.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #948 on: December 05, 2013, 05:33:27 pm »

posting from phone to say that I misspoke that I actually targeted chairs n0 and EF HW N1
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #949 on: December 05, 2013, 05:38:34 pm »

And how you are flailing lately, desperately trying to paint everybody scummy in an attempt to get more people into lynchrange.

Where does this come from?  I've literally voted for one player the entire day.  How that could possible be "desperately trying to paint everybody scummy in an attempt to get more people into lynchrange" I have no idea.

Please, explain that statement.  Just try.  It is impossible.  A fallacy.  A lie.

I have voted for chairs, and stated scum reads on faust and PPS.  Where are you getting "lynchrange" from?  Where are you getting "paint everybody scummy" from?

This is you being ridiculous, anti-town, and possibly even scummy.  You see an easy mislynch here and are trying to force it through with lies.

Go ahead, see if you can explain that statement.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #950 on: December 05, 2013, 05:41:55 pm »

Pingpongsam should not stop an ashersky lynch.
Targeting mail-mi, and having box voyeur it is a better way to confirm pps claim.

Why are we listening to you at all?  What makes you any more trustworthy than anyone else?

My goal is that people should listen to because I make sense.

1. Currently, much of the evidense is against you.
2. Robin hood not being mentioned in QT-flavour. Just like other scum fakeclaims.
3. The missing nightkill.
4. Voltgloss not being modkilled.
And how you are flailing lately, desperately trying to paint everybody scummy in an attempt to get more people into lynchrange.

As for the rest of this list.

1.  There is no evidence, at all.  We don't have guilty results on anyone.  In fact, neither chairs nor I, the claimed cops, have any results of value due to the LR being popped.
2.  No one is mentioned in QT flavor.  I've yet to see anyone's name in any flavor.  Also, the flavor is pretty easy to fake or adjust to include whatever you want.
3.  Missing, or delayed?  Or changed?  As someone mentioned, it looked like it was possible to change from one type to another.  Or maybe scum has the option to change how they kill when they want?  Or it is X-shots?  So many possibilities.
4.  Arch had a replacement in place.  I offered to sub in days before I actually joined.  He was holding out for a player who hadn't already been in the game.  Voltgloss hasn't been replaced in his other game, either.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #951 on: December 05, 2013, 05:59:28 pm »

And how you are flailing lately, desperately trying to paint everybody scummy in an attempt to get more people into lynchrange.

Where does this come from?  I've literally voted for one player the entire day.  How that could possible be "desperately trying to paint everybody scummy in an attempt to get more people into lynchrange" I have no idea.

Please, explain that statement.  Just try.  It is impossible.  A fallacy.  A lie.

I have voted for chairs, and stated scum reads on faust and PPS.  Where are you getting "lynchrange" from?  Where are you getting "paint everybody scummy" from?

This is you being ridiculous, anti-town, and possibly even scummy.  You see an easy mislynch here and are trying to force it through with lies.

Go ahead, see if you can explain that statement.

You have voted chairs all day, and that is fair considering your competing claims.

What I am talking about is:
- you continuing to mention mail-man is often a scum-role, so faust is probably scum.
- your scumread on pps.
-trying to question morgrims result on box, and more than once mentioning lightningrod is often scum on f.ds.
-the "do not trust Xeiron" attitude through the last page or two.

Mail-mi is the only one you apparently accept as town.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #952 on: December 05, 2013, 06:08:21 pm »

I have a plan!
1. We lynch Ashersky
2. During night
    Chairs investigates mail-mi (the only one worth investigating)
    faust sends a letter to mail-mi (for max use of Box' power)
    pps targets mail-mi (same reson)
    Box  uses the voyeur power on mail-mi
    mail-mi accepts chairs stealing (does not guess correct name)
   
vote: ashersky
I want the opinions of everyone on this plan,
and your consent to use you nightaction in this way.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #953 on: December 05, 2013, 06:31:30 pm »

I have a plan!
1. We lynch Ashersky
2. During night
    Chairs investigates mail-mi (the only one worth investigating)
    faust sends a letter to mail-mi (for max use of Box' power)
    pps targets mail-mi (same reson)
    Box  uses the voyeur power on mail-mi
    mail-mi accepts chairs stealing (does not guess correct name)
   
vote: ashersky
I want the opinions of everyone on this plan,
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Obviously Ashersky is against it. Do the rest agree?

Sounds pretty reasonable, actually.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #954 on: December 05, 2013, 06:34:27 pm »

The only thing that I don't like about the plan is that my power is wasted since mail-mi is the last person anyone is going to lynch. Also if mail-mi is scum we are toast. PPE at vet on phone.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #955 on: December 05, 2013, 06:37:26 pm »

I have a plan!
1. We lynch Ashersky
2. During night
    Chairs investigates mail-mi (the only one worth investigating)
    faust sends a letter to mail-mi (for max use of Box' power)
    pps targets mail-mi (same reson)
    Box  uses the voyeur power on mail-mi
    mail-mi accepts chairs stealing (does not guess correct name)
   
vote: ashersky
I want the opinions of everyone on this plan,
and your consent to use you nightaction in this way.

Obviously Ashersky is against it. Do the rest agree?
I also quite like it. Except, if scum is chairs/PPS/Faust, (most likely) they will either have to kill me (not bad) or give themselves away.

Well, then you're an IC. Not too bad.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #956 on: December 05, 2013, 06:44:17 pm »

The only thing that I don't like about the plan is that my power is wasted since mail-mi is the last person anyone is going to lynch. Also if mail-mi is scum we are toast. PPE at vet on phone.

If mail-mi is scum, we have a chance of finding out with chairs investigation.
Otherwise, yes your power is useless on mail-mi, but as you said earlier it is pretty useless anyway after your claim.
Letting box confirm your claim is the best you can do with it.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #957 on: December 05, 2013, 07:46:26 pm »

Mod confirmation that my power ends the day and as I read it the failed lynch would only be evident the next day.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 2 [Day])
« Reply #958 on: December 05, 2013, 07:54:40 pm »

Vote Count 1.2

chairs (1) ashersky
ashersky (2) chairs, xeiron
pingpongsam (2) faust, mail-mi

Not Voting (2): pingpongsam, BoxOfDog

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #959 on: December 05, 2013, 09:17:26 pm »

UUUGHH.

This entire thing just keeps drawing on.. For pitty sake.
I just got back home, and had to read through five pages of bickering between Ashersky and Pingpong. Two people I suspect.

Someone just vote for Ash and I'll finish the job, I'm safe enough.
(Also, Ash has already made his claim and defended himself PLENTY. Suddenly killing him off would have no effect, seeing as we have all the information we need to analyze.)
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #960 on: December 05, 2013, 10:04:00 pm »

UUUGHH.

This entire thing just keeps drawing on.. For pitty sake.
I just got back home, and had to read through five pages of bickering between Ashersky and Pingpong. Two people I suspect.

Someone just vote for Ash and I'll finish the job, I'm safe enough.
(Also, Ash has already made his claim and defended himself PLENTY. Suddenly killing him off would have no effect, seeing as we have all the information we need to analyze.)

If you want to vote ash then do so. Why would I throw the vote on him when he might flip town and then you are calling for my head tomorrow because you suspect me?

Why, exactly, do you suspect me?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #961 on: December 05, 2013, 10:30:13 pm »

UUUGHH.

This entire thing just keeps drawing on.. For pitty sake.
I just got back home, and had to read through five pages of bickering between Ashersky and Pingpong. Two people I suspect.

Someone just vote for Ash and I'll finish the job, I'm safe enough.
(Also, Ash has already made his claim and defended himself PLENTY. Suddenly killing him off would have no effect, seeing as we have all the information we need to analyze.)

Can I get on record here as saying you popping your LR was not a good idea?  You threw everything off and actually made it harder to catch scum.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #962 on: December 05, 2013, 10:30:49 pm »

Mod confirmation that my power ends the day and as I read it the failed lynch would only be evident the next day.

Would we get a flip?  I have to imagine not, or it makes your power crazy strong.
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« Reply #963 on: December 06, 2013, 12:52:52 am »

UUUGHH.

This entire thing just keeps drawing on.. For pitty sake.
I just got back home, and had to read through five pages of bickering between Ashersky and Pingpong. Two people I suspect.

Someone just vote for Ash and I'll finish the job, I'm safe enough.
(Also, Ash has already made his claim and defended himself PLENTY. Suddenly killing him off would have no effect, seeing as we have all the information we need to analyze.)

Can I get on record here as saying you popping your LR was not a good idea?  You threw everything off and actually made it harder to catch scum.
Popping my LR?

That saved me, chairs, AND you.
Why in the WORLD would I not reveal, seeing as it made me an IC?
Jeeze la' wheeze.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #964 on: December 06, 2013, 01:03:04 am »

UUUGHH.

This entire thing just keeps drawing on.. For pitty sake.
I just got back home, and had to read through five pages of bickering between Ashersky and Pingpong. Two people I suspect.

Someone just vote for Ash and I'll finish the job, I'm safe enough.
(Also, Ash has already made his claim and defended himself PLENTY. Suddenly killing him off would have no effect, seeing as we have all the information we need to analyze.)

Can I get on record here as saying you popping your LR was not a good idea?  You threw everything off and actually made it harder to catch scum.
Popping my LR?

That saved me, chairs, AND you.
Why in the WORLD would I not reveal, seeing as it made me an IC?
Jeeze la' wheeze.
vote: ash

It didn't save anyone.  Well, maybe it saved whomever was being NKed, since it would redirect it to you, but chairs and I weren't saved by you.

We were investigating each other, and we both ended up investigating you.  That's what I'm saying is the problem.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #965 on: December 06, 2013, 02:05:56 am »

UUUGHH.

This entire thing just keeps drawing on.. For pitty sake.
I just got back home, and had to read through five pages of bickering between Ashersky and Pingpong. Two people I suspect.

Someone just vote for Ash and I'll finish the job, I'm safe enough.
(Also, Ash has already made his claim and defended himself PLENTY. Suddenly killing him off would have no effect, seeing as we have all the information we need to analyze.)

Can I get on record here as saying you popping your LR was not a good idea?  You threw everything off and actually made it harder to catch scum.
Popping my LR?

That saved me, chairs, AND you.
Why in the WORLD would I not reveal, seeing as it made me an IC?
Jeeze la' wheeze.
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It didn't save anyone.  Well, maybe it saved whomever was being NKed, since it would redirect it to you, but chairs and I weren't saved by you.

We were investigating each other, and we both ended up investigating you.  That's what I'm saying is the problem.
Well, for one thing, HOW would I even know there were MORE cop-like roles?

Complaining about it now gets you no where, it just makes you annoying.
The INTENTION was to PREVENT deaths, which somehow didn't happen.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #966 on: December 06, 2013, 03:13:32 am »

The intention was to prevent deaths and it would have worked (if jimm used a doctor), except that jimm was poisoned N1, and was going to die N2 anyway, and Xerxes was a bodyguard and therefore took the kill for box without taking an eventual doctoring.

So it did not work, but Box couldn't know about the bodyguard so we can't blame him. It was worth a shot.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #967 on: December 06, 2013, 03:17:04 am »

BoxofDOG,
before we finish the day , I want you to agree on targeting mail-mi with your voyeur power during the night.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #968 on: December 06, 2013, 04:50:13 am »

I don't like xeiron's plan. It will only end up in Box dying (that means losing our IC) and us knowing nothing more than that mail-mi is town, something most of us already think.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 1 [Day])
« Reply #969 on: December 06, 2013, 04:54:48 am »

Rereading pps, this struck me:

AFAICT my PM has nothing mysterious about it. It is straight up role description.

Are you saying it contains no flavour?

No, my role is a Grimm character and as such the role description itself is flavorful. However, there is nothing extraneous to the role description. That is, I would be hard pressed to post any portion of it and not reveal the function if not entirety of the role. That said, I have very good reason to believe Archetype selected this very specific flavor name just for me personally. Maybe my mystery lies in that fact, then.

Sandman is NOT a Grimm character. I am very fine with my vote.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #970 on: December 06, 2013, 04:55:38 am »

Also, pps, what is the reason you believe Archetype chose Sandman for you specifically?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #971 on: December 06, 2013, 05:06:14 am »

If we have a day-vig pick one of ashersky and chairs and shoot them. If the vig flips Town we'll lynch the other one.

This plan also doesn't make sense considering pps' claim.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #972 on: December 06, 2013, 05:11:27 am »

Further pps rereading:

- he never pushed EFHW D1. If it was truly his plan to get her to lynching range, why didn't he try?

- D2, he also hardly pushes EFHW or chairs (votes for chairs one time, but only for a short time)

- he generally feels scummy to me. Always tries to keep our lynch pool broad (accusing mail-mi, Jimmmmm, Box). Now his role claim seems to be constructed off this QT snippet: Sand spells instant slumber; it’s spelling may save your life. This of course fits with pps' claim, but scum would of course also try to make claims that fit with QT flavors, so this is pretty null to me.

I say let's just lynch pps, and we can execute some modified version of xeiron's plan afterwards.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #973 on: December 06, 2013, 05:15:37 am »

In fact, why don't we use this modified plan:

1. lynch pps.
2. everyone with targetting ability targets xeiron
3. If xeiron is telling the truth, he is an IC tomorrow and can confirm receiving something from chairs and me, even if Box dies.
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« Reply #974 on: December 06, 2013, 05:47:13 am »

In fact, why don't we use this modified plan:

1. lynch pps.
2. everyone with targetting ability targets xeiron
3. If xeiron is telling the truth, he is an IC tomorrow and can confirm receiving something from chairs and me, even if Box dies.

1. Ashersky and chairs have too similar claims. Thats why we should lynch one of the two.
Besides, Ashersky is way more scummy than pps.

2. Everyone targeting me, is the same as everyone targeting mail-mi, with one exception.
Chairs might get new info about mail-mi. You will all know my alignment tomorrow anyway.
therefore targeting mail-mi is strictly better. Yes, Box may be killed, but he may be killed no matter what we do. That is not an argument to have him to use his action suboptimally.

3. I have already received a letter from you, And box have something from chairs. Me confirming this again won't help
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #975 on: December 06, 2013, 05:58:21 am »

But you do have some good questions about pingpongsam. I would like to hear him answer.
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« Reply #976 on: December 06, 2013, 06:19:41 am »

In fact, why don't we use this modified plan:

1. lynch pps.
2. everyone with targetting ability targets xeiron
3. If xeiron is telling the truth, he is an IC tomorrow and can confirm receiving something from chairs and me, even if Box dies.

1. Ashersky and chairs have too similar claims. Thats why we should lynch one of the two.
Besides, Ashersky is way more scummy than pps.

2. Everyone targeting me, is the same as everyone targeting mail-mi, with one exception.
Chairs might get new info about mail-mi. You will all know my alignment tomorrow anyway.
therefore targeting mail-mi is strictly better. Yes, Box may be killed, but he may be killed no matter what we do. That is not an argument to have him to use his action suboptimally.

3. I have already received a letter from you, And box have something from chairs. Me confirming this again won't help

Okay. But wouldn't it make more sense if people targeted me? Like, do you have a bigger town read on me than on mail-mi?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #977 on: December 06, 2013, 06:20:50 am »

Also I'm not sure whether pps' targeting will actually appear to the voyeur. I mean, it doesn't really do anything.
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« Reply #978 on: December 06, 2013, 06:26:44 am »

Complete claiming summary:

pingpongsam - 'Sandman' Governor

A king sits in his throne staring out the window. He reflects on all the terrible things he’s done to reach such an important title. His methods are just like his window - painless. But that doesn’t mean they aren’t harmful. And now, after all this time, he wishes for his wife to return to him again. His daughters have all married off or were lost in the fold. His only son has suffered much deceit and deception and no grandchildren can be called his own. No advisers around to captain his decisions. All certainly could’ve be stopped a single golden touch. His curse is what started all this terror and turmoil, and it is that which will soon end it all.


ashersky - Wolf-aligned 'Big Bad' Godfather/Ninja. Lynched Day 1.

The post office gets busy around the holidays. Especially with the throngs of people clamoring at the doors. “Can’t you see we’re closed every other day?” The grizzled owner always says in reply to the constant banging. But some packages must be delivered. Some deliveries must be received. However, others can wait until morning. And what a morning the following day was! Someone was killed! And not just anyone- the shopkeeper! A bullet-sized hole piercing his skin and going clean through. Such a close-up attack will not go unnoticed. On the bright side, the post office is finally open on Tuesdays.

(Voltgloss)Ashersky - 'Robin hood' flavor cop

Shadows cover the land
Let me take you by the hand

Here is the one you want
The one who is sure to haunt

Another will come unto you and chide
A tune to turn the tide

At least you reach the town
Where friends and foes abound

A deadly assassin
Will at last then

Eliminate the final gasp of hope
At the hands of the one who evades the rope


EFHW - Witch-aligned 'Maleficent' 2-shot Watcher. Killed Day 2.

A skilled thief that comes without warning. The power of association is the only way to stop this criminal’s methods.

mail-mi - 'Puss 'n Boots' Desperado

The view from the edge of the forest is one to behold. Looking deep into it, you can see the thicket of massive trees and the few berry bushes decorating the land. An axe resides in the forest and threatens to destroy the colossal foliage. Two others are present, as well. Though their story isn’t discussed until later.

faust - 'Rapunzel' Even-Night Ascetic 4-shot Same Night Mailman

A world of wood unseen by it’s makers. Between the uncut pages, evil lurks. Terrible termites and incredible handiwork make up the carved oak. Legend has it that the world will die as quickly as it was born. By the hands of a silent and solo killer, his body stained an ugly red from the blood of it’s dead victims. He will murder again if one doesn’t stand up for what is write. Like a protector; shrouded in wooden mystery.

xeiron - 'Sleeping Beauty' Day4 innocent child

From high in the air, all can be seen. Sight is limited by the bullets fired, but that shouldn’t be a problem for hunters as skilled as them. Twin pillars reach towards the sky; stationed a fair distance from one another. One is oddly reachable while the other ascends to no end. They’re both covered in thick foliage, though one is the younger brother. At the base of the towers, a long trail leads from one to another. A fragile connection that was never meant to exist.

XerxesPraelor - 'Prince Charming' bodyguard dead N2

Sand spells instant slumber; it’s spelling may save your life.

BoxOfDog - Pied piper. 1-shot lightningrod. (+1-shot voyeur)

At the far corner of the kingdom, powerful entities reside. Some powers reflected by valuable talismans while others are tucked away; forced into hiding. Not all power is held by the just. Ancient evils guard sacred artifacts and daring heroes seek to obtain them. Unselfishly, they risk their lives for the good of others and will fight to the bitter end. But will such heroes endure to the end? Or will this crusade be their last?


Jimmmmm - 'The Woodcutter' doctor of all trades dead N2 (probably poisoned N1)

The fair city is under attack! Houses will be ransacked and plains will be burned, but not until later much later. Only one can sense the danger all around and can guide others to safety. But they will hide; not protect. The city is not near, but far. So far away that none can reach it save for the one in blue. Yes, lin (though roasted swine should be placed first) will soon be destroyed if he doesn’t save it.


Morgrim7 - 'Tom Thumb', the Doctor/Hider Lynched D2

chairs - 'Rumpelstiltskin' Thieving Inventor
gives someone a crystal balls and golden the golden touch. Takes something back.

At the break of dawn
Promises are broken
Bright light from above
Illuminates the kingdom

Shows what’s hidden

Others are naked
And exposed
Others are dressed for success
Full investigations
Investigations unlike any other
That follow close behind


Enchanted forest flavor:

Purple poisons the well
Activates the dead at the sound of a yell

Shattered glass ignites the flame
A burning desire that only love can tame
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #979 on: December 06, 2013, 06:34:24 am »

The thing I'm most afraid of is a pps/xeiron scum team, trying to survive this Day and then having then win tomorrow.
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« Reply #980 on: December 06, 2013, 06:35:39 am »

We could of course just no-lynch to prevent something like that from happening. What do people think of that?
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« Reply #981 on: December 06, 2013, 06:58:08 am »

In fact, why don't we use this modified plan:

1. lynch pps.
2. everyone with targetting ability targets xeiron
3. If xeiron is telling the truth, he is an IC tomorrow and can confirm receiving something from chairs and me, even if Box dies.

1. Ashersky and chairs have too similar claims. Thats why we should lynch one of the two.
Besides, Ashersky is way more scummy than pps.

2. Everyone targeting me, is the same as everyone targeting mail-mi, with one exception.
Chairs might get new info about mail-mi. You will all know my alignment tomorrow anyway.
therefore targeting mail-mi is strictly better. Yes, Box may be killed, but he may be killed no matter what we do. That is not an argument to have him to use his action suboptimally.

3. I have already received a letter from you, And box have something from chairs. Me confirming this again won't help

Okay. But wouldn't it make more sense if people targeted me? Like, do you have a bigger town read on me than on mail-mi?

You would be my biggest scumread outside of Ashersky/chairs. I still want mail-mi as the target because you have a night action that box can confirm. Mail-mi do not.
Besides your flavor claim is backed up by QT-flavor, so I find it very unlikely that mail-mi will learn anything new from you.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #982 on: December 06, 2013, 07:09:57 am »

Further pps rereading:

- he never pushed EFHW D1. If it was truly his plan to get her to lynching range, why didn't he try?

- D2, he also hardly pushes EFHW or chairs (votes for chairs one time, but only for a short time)

- he generally feels scummy to me. Always tries to keep our lynch pool broad (accusing mail-mi, Jimmmmm, Box). Now his role claim seems to be constructed off this QT snippet: Sand spells instant slumber; it’s spelling may save your life. This of course fits with pps' claim, but scum would of course also try to make claims that fit with QT flavors, so this is pretty null to me.

I say let's just lynch pps, and we can execute some modified version of xeiron's plan afterwards.

Sandman is a "Grimm" character if you watch the TV series Grimm. In fact, I made a bit of a splash in this forum's most popular thread (Homage to the Best Card) by posting a picture from the Sandman episode of Grimm and I have mod-confirmation that this is the reason that the flavor name was specifically picked for me. see here: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=1204.2750

I never pushed an EFHW lynch because I thought she was town. My undersstanding of how to use my power was to secretly protect those I considered Town so that in the event the were about to be lynched I could save them. Why in the hell would I protect those I suspected of being scum?

Yes, I have avoided tunneling and have tried to look at a bigger picture for scum operations. Tunneling and driving a lynch is scum behavior.

Vote: faust I've been suspicious of you from the start, which incidentally is why you never got protected. You are playing a great game as either alignment so I can't paint a cohesive scum picture of you but neither can I paint a cohesive Town picture. As the lynch pool has narrowed (and not artificially like you would prefer) you have become more and more obvious to me to be scum. In your silence earlier today I thought you were going to devise an angle against me so when this came out it confirmed my suspicions. Call it OMGUS if you will, it's not, it's simply confirmation that you are doing what I would do were I scum.

I was open to being lynched earlier in the game because I recognized my role as being a liability and expressed that publicly. I mean, damn, what if I had saved EFHW? Now that my role is exposed I am more intent to stay in the game.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #983 on: December 06, 2013, 07:10:42 am »

The thing I'm most afraid of is a pps/xeiron scum team, trying to survive this Day and then having then win tomorrow.

We could of course just no-lynch to prevent something like that from happening. What do people think of that?

If there is only one nightkill left in the game, both a mislynch and a no-kill brings us to MYLO/LYLO. We are way better of with a lynch. not only could we hit scum, but a mislynch would also give us way more information (killing a scummy person, where NK hits the towny ones).

What I am most afraid of is that there is two scum-allignments left. Each with they own night-kill. But we know Ashersky was alone. If there is a poisoner left, they probably poisoned Xerxes N2, so that kill will disappear. Anyway we are better off with lynching someone today. That someone should be Ashersky or Chairs. I prefer Ashersky.
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« Reply #984 on: December 06, 2013, 07:15:07 am »

Also, from the moment xeiron? posted his flavor about sand I carefully publicized that there were clues in his flavor that led me to believe he was Town. In fact, I specifically stated that I viewed his actions as being scummy but reserved a vote because of the clues.

faust, you are trying to skew previous events to suit your angle. All of your points are easily refuted. Earlier ashersky pressed me hard but I felt all of his questioning was direct and on-point. I sensed it could be easily scum or Town grilling. Your angles however are specifically designed to either twist or to ignore my own public words which directly support the untwisted versions of your claims. You have scum written all over you in your approach to me.
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« Reply #985 on: December 06, 2013, 07:16:21 am »

I could ask if you guys want but I am almost positive if I save someone from lynch we do not get a flip.
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« Reply #986 on: December 06, 2013, 07:17:37 am »

and faust proposes no-lynch, wow.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #987 on: December 06, 2013, 07:22:15 am »

If we have a day-vig pick one of ashersky and chairs and shoot them. If the vig flips Town we'll lynch the other one.

This plan also doesn't make sense considering pps' claim.

This makes perfect sense. We get a day-vig on one of the 2 people I can save. I derive  twilight soft-flip and if they confess to being scum they die and if it seems like a miss-lynch I save them. What the fuck about that is not perfect sense?

Damn, faust, you really are coming out as desperate all of a sudden.

If there is a scum team it's faust/Box.

Box, why have you ignored my request for you to tell us all what exactly it is you suspect of me? What good is it to express suspicion without saying what is suspicious. Oh, right, to direct Town without getting your hands dirty.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #988 on: December 06, 2013, 08:26:13 am »

If we have a day-vig pick one of ashersky and chairs and shoot them. If the vig flips Town we'll lynch the other one.

This plan also doesn't make sense considering pps' claim.

This makes perfect sense. We get a day-vig on one of the 2 people I can save. I derive  twilight soft-flip and if they confess to being scum they die and if it seems like a miss-lynch I save them. What the fuck about that is not perfect sense?

Damn, faust, you really are coming out as desperate all of a sudden.

If there is a scum team it's faust/Box.

Box, why have you ignored my request for you to tell us all what exactly it is you suspect of me? What good is it to express suspicion without saying what is suspicious. Oh, right, to direct Town without getting your hands dirty.

Sam, your plan would not work because you never targeted Ashersky. You targeted box because of his loghtningrod. The thinking otherwhise makes sense.
I follow you on faust.
Box is still morgrim-confirm town.
If there is a  scumteam it is Ashersky and faust. If there is only a single scum left it is ashersky or chairs.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #989 on: December 06, 2013, 09:00:11 am »

xeiron, the names on my target lists are chairs, EFHW and ashersky.

at the point i requested a day-vig, it was a heated contest towards lynch between chairs and ashersky. I could save either one of them. The idea was to get one of them vigged and then press a soft-flip to determine if I should save them.

That faust tries to describe this as not making any sense is plainly preposterous.

ashersky looks scummy but I have to say I got directly grilled by both ashersky and faust and faust's shots at me were scummy as hell while ashersky's were cogent and made no direct attempt to twist the facts or paint me one way or the other. faust's angles are direct attempts to paint me as scum and since there is no good evidence he had to twist and ignore things to make it happen.

I think that if there is a single scum left it is faust.

Can you describe to me why you feel that a lone scum would have to be ashersky?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #990 on: December 06, 2013, 09:04:55 am »

oh, I just understood your point about Box being my redirected target. I am not sure if that information had been revealed at the time I was asking for a vig. If it had, the reality of it had not sunk in. In fact, it just now sunk in.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #991 on: December 06, 2013, 09:06:39 am »

wow, asherskl missed it too, because we were at least actively discussing me verifying my claim by saving him, which if my power were redirected it would have failed.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #992 on: December 06, 2013, 09:30:32 am »

I just requested mod enumeration of who I can protect. I don't necessarily expect to receive it. For all any of us know any of our night actions have been redirected every single night. Additionally, the xeiron plan may be a complete fail with any combination of redirections tonight.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #993 on: December 06, 2013, 09:50:38 am »

I just requested mod enumeration of who I can protect. I don't necessarily expect to receive it. For all any of us know any of our night actions have been redirected every single night. Additionally, the xeiron plan may be a complete fail with any combination of redirections tonight.

My plan is deviced to catch as much as possible of roles that is not as claimed. This means my plan will succseed, not fail if we notice a redirection.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #994 on: December 06, 2013, 10:39:56 am »

Wait.. THIS: A king sits in his throne staring out the window. He reflects on all the terrible things he’s done to reach such an important title. His methods are just like his window - painless. But that doesn’t mean they aren’t harmful. And now, after all this time, he wishes for his wife to return to him again. His daughters have all married off or were lost in the fold. His only son has suffered much deceit and deception and no grandchildren can be called his own. No advisers around to captain his decisions. All certainly could’ve be stopped a single golden touch. His curse is what started all this terror and turmoil, and it is that which will soon end it all.

Is Pingpong's flavor claim?
If so.. What? No. Simply no. That's King Midas.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #995 on: December 06, 2013, 10:53:13 am »

BoxofDOG,
before we finish the day , I want you to agree on targeting mail-mi with your voyeur power during the night.
Slightly reluctant to do so because it's 1-shot, but sure, I'll use it.
You just better not be scum, Xeiron -_-

Box, why have you ignored my request for you to tell us all what exactly it is you suspect of me? What good is it to express suspicion without saying what is suspicious. Oh, right, to direct Town without getting your hands dirty.
A large portion of the way you defend yourself, the way you're acting, and especially what Xeiron says that you claimed as your flavor.
I've been in one game with you, but this DEFINITELY is not how I would expect Town!pps to act.

The way you defend yourself is dodging, and making it look like you're actually answering the suspicion.
You proceed to then accuse Faust, who very well could be scum, but so could you.

And the flavor.
If that's really what you claimed.. Oh my dear goodness. The most blatant and obvious lie I've ever seen.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #996 on: December 06, 2013, 10:55:38 am »

Dude, our QTs have nothing to do with ourselves.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #997 on: December 06, 2013, 10:56:33 am »

Also Rumpelstilskin offered the golden touch. So, no, it is not King Midas.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #998 on: December 06, 2013, 10:57:45 am »

BoxofDOG,
before we finish the day , I want you to agree on targeting mail-mi with your voyeur power during the night.
Slightly reluctant to do so because it's 1-shot, but sure, I'll use it.
You just better not be scum, Xeiron -_-

Box, why have you ignored my request for you to tell us all what exactly it is you suspect of me? What good is it to express suspicion without saying what is suspicious. Oh, right, to direct Town without getting your hands dirty.
A large portion of the way you defend yourself, the way you're acting, and especially what Xeiron says that you claimed as your flavor.
I've been in one game with you, but this DEFINITELY is not how I would expect Town!pps to act.

The way you defend yourself is dodging, and making it look like you're actually answering the suspicion.
You proceed to then accuse Faust, who very well could be scum, but so could you.

And the flavor.
If that's really what you claimed.. Oh my dear goodness. The most blatant and obvious lie I've ever seen.

That was his QT flavor, not his role's flavor.

I actually believe the sandman claim based on this QT flavor: Sand spells instant slumber; it’s spelling may save your life.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #999 on: December 06, 2013, 10:58:16 am »

Also Rumpelstilskin offered the golden touch. So, no, it is not King Midas.

I don't believe this precludes King Midas from also being present.

I still think lynch ashersky is the best step here.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #1000 on: December 06, 2013, 10:58:52 am »

I offered contents of my QT well ahead of the Rumpelstiltskin claim.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #1001 on: December 06, 2013, 05:00:13 pm »

Also Rumpelstilskin offered the golden touch. So, no, it is not King Midas.

I don't believe this precludes King Midas from also being present.

I still think lynch ashersky is the best step here.

Yes, I would not be suprised if Ashersky flips king midas. Or if EFHW was provided it as a fakeclaim.

I agree that lynching Ashersky is what we should do.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #1002 on: December 06, 2013, 05:07:04 pm »

BoxofDOG,
before we finish the day , I want you to agree on targeting mail-mi with your voyeur power during the night.
Slightly reluctant to do so because it's 1-shot, but sure, I'll use it.
You just better not be scum, Xeiron

Thank you. I can assure you am not scum.

There is no need to be reluctant.
Whith this plan you will watch every single nightaction still in the game (except maybee nightkills).
It is not possible to use your role better, even if you save it to later.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #1003 on: December 06, 2013, 05:11:39 pm »

So I should hammer ashersky now or are we waiting for something?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #1004 on: December 06, 2013, 05:19:12 pm »

So I should hammer ashersky now or are we waiting for something?
Depends on whether you want to let him say something first.
But there should be no claims or anything (except if he is lying), so I say go ahead.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #1005 on: December 06, 2013, 05:24:54 pm »

Vote: ashersky
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #1006 on: December 06, 2013, 05:28:19 pm »

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #1007 on: December 06, 2013, 05:36:21 pm »

ashersky, otherwise known as the Witch-aligned 'Evil Queen' Following Flavor Cop has been lynched.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #1008 on: December 06, 2013, 05:50:55 pm »

The Game is over! The Town has won!

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #1009 on: December 06, 2013, 05:51:33 pm »

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Flavor Name: Puss 'n Boots
Alignment: Town. You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.
Role Name: Loved Desperado

You twirl your small saber, parrying briefly, then thrusting it forward into the straw dummy. You then pull your weapon out and slice it rapidly across your cloth target; carving a ‘P’ into it.

“Temblar a mis pies! You are no more, my friend.”

You throw your blade into the air and catch it with your right paw, sliding it into your left shoe.

“It is I, Puss ‘n Boots!”

During the day, you may post in thread Desperado: [Player Name]. You will whip out your saber and charge at your target. If that player is not Town-aligned, you will sink your weapon into their stomach and instantly kill them. However, if they are considered Town-aligned, you will take your sword and plunge it into your own heart in embarrassment.

Additionally, during the day, if you ever reach the required number of votes to be lynched you will instantly do the ‘cute face’. This will make you take an additional vote to be get lynched.

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Jimmmmm:
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Alignment: Town. You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.
Role Name: Lumberjack-of-all-trades

Axe in-hand and boots clad with mud, you tromp through the woods. The Enchanted Forest is your home and you know it’s landscape well. You consider the plants and animals you live amongst your family and have learned their secrets. And you’ve promised to use these gifts for good and protect the life you’ve grown to love.

You come equipped with a number of 1-shot powers. Each night you may choose one of them to use:

1-shot Firefighter: Only YOU can prevent forest fires. Target one player. That player will be immune from one Arsonist Kill that night.

1-shot Poison Doctor: A special mixture of nectar and tree sap is the perfect remedy for any poison; even if it does taste bitter. Target one player. That player will have all poisons in their bloodstream relieved and be protected from one Poisoner Kill that night.

1-shot Doctor: Ground up leaves from the magic grotto within the forest can help prevent even the most severe of abrasions.Target one player. That player will be protected from one Standard Kill that night.

1-shot Vigilante: A carefully sharpened axe makes a formidable weapon. Target one player. That player will be killed.

Additionally, you are a member of the Enchanted Forest quicktopic. You may post there as much as you want during the night, but not after you’ve been killed. The alignment of your fellow quicktopic members is unknown to you.

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Alignment: Town. You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.
Role Name: Day 4 Innocent Child

Cursed at a young age to an everlasting sleep, you rest peacefully at the edge of the kingdom. Will your prince come someday?

At the beginning of Day 4, you will awake and be mod-confirmed as Town. However, if a Prince kisses (targets) you before Day 4, you will awake the following day instead of Day 4.

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Alignment: Town. You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.
Role Name: Bodyguard

With dashing good looks and a loyal and trusty steed, you race across the kingdom vanquishing evil and saving damsels in distress. Your charm gets you the ladies and your might gets you the gold. That’s the life of a hero!

Each night you may target one player. You will protect them from all Killing actions that night and the following day by redirecting them to you.

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Alignment: Town. You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.
Role Name: Compulsive Rewarded Doctor OR Compulsive Hider

You’re a full grown man, but only as big as an adult thumb! You also from a bit of a memory loss. You know you play in important role in the Town, but the exact influence is unknown. Half of you wants to be a hero and protect the people in this town, but the other half is afraid of the world and the terrors that lurk in it. Who is Tom Thumb?

Each night you MUST target one player. You will either Doctor that player or Hide behind them. The exact effect of your role is known to the mods and doesn't change from night to night. When you die, the power that you really are will not be revealed.

If you are a Doctor the player you target will be immune to one Standard night kill that targets them that night. Additionally, any non-Killing actions that affect your target will also affect you.

If you are a Hider any actions that would normally affect you will fail and any actions that affect the player you hide behind will also affect you. If the player you hide behind is not considered Town-aligned, you will immediately die.

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Alignment: Town. You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.
Role Name: Thieving Inventor

Using cunning tactics and tricky trickery, you've climbed to the top of the magical food chain. Others are amazed at your prowess (and powers) and think you're one cool guy. At Alchemy University, you were even voted "Most likely to become a villian"! But that's exactly the opposite of what happened. You enjoy long walks on the beach, romantic candlelit dinners, and even puppies. You've learned to use your powers for good; not evil.

Each night you may target one player and ‘Make a deal’ with them. You will first choose one of the following magical items to give them:

Golden Touch: Gives the player the golden touch! Anything they touch turns to solid gold!
Crystal Ball: Gives the player a powerful crystal ball! They can gaze into to see what's affecting their friends!

You have unlimited amounts of either item. They are all 1-shot Powers that the target player will be able to use in addition to their normal power during the night. They will be told the actual function of the item and not the flavorful overlay.

You will then take something related to that player’s flavor. But before you steal anything, the player you targeted will be prompted to guess who gave them the item. If they guess correctly, you will steal nothing.

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Alignment: Town. You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.
Role Name: 1-shot Lightning Rod

Mice are no big deal for you. I mean, they’re just disgusting white rodents with short whiskers and pike feet. And all they do is scurry, and gnaw, and scamper, and.... GAHH! Nevermind! These things are GROSS! And Hamlin wants YOU to get rid of these disgusting creatures? Ew. Luckily you have your flute. And good thing you know just the tune to remove them...

Once during the night you may play your flute. The instrument will emit a tune so enticing that it'll redirect all other players night actions from their original targets to you.

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Alignment: Town. You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.
Role Name: Governor
 
Equipped with a nightgown and a bag of gritty dirt, you zoom around the world wishing the children of the world sweet dreams. Sand collected from the bank of dreams mixed with a bit of fairy dust is the perfect recipe for a good night’s rest. But what if one of those sweet kids are in danger? Have no fear; the sandman is here!

Each night (including N0) you may target one player and sprinkle sand over their eyes. They will not be notified that you've done this. If, at the end of any future days one the recipients of your sand is lynched, you may privately message me during twilight that you'd like to save them. As long as that player does have sand covering their eyes, you will make everyone immediately fall asleep. This will cause the lynch to fail. However, the slumber will initiate so quickly that all sand will be immediately flushed out of everyone’s eyes.

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Alignment: Town. You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.
Role Name: Even-Night Ascetic 4-shot Same Night Mailman

To keep you safe, your mother locked you away in a tall stone tower far away from civilization. It’s a lonely life made even lonelier by your inability to leave. You write the occasional letter, fold it into a paper airplane, and said it sailing through the air- hoping it’ll reach someone. You have a long, golden mane of hair that you tend to regularly and grow it out to ensure your escape. On odd nights your mother leaves for Town, leaving you alone in your tower. And it’s those nights where you have a chance of rescue!

Each night, as long as you have enough shots, you may target as many players as you want. For every named player, tell me a message up to 250 characters (I'll be flexible). I will send that message to it's respected recipient. I'll redact anything I see fit, but I'll let you know what I redact before sending the letter.

Additionally, on Even nights, you won’t be able to ‘let your hair down’. This will make you and your tower unreachable and cause all actions that target you that night to fail. Well, besides Killing actions. Those will work as normal.

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Alignment: Witch. You win when the majority of the players alive are Witch-aligned or nothing can prevent that from occurring.
Role Name: Following Flavor Cop

FakeFlavor Name: Sheriff of Nottingham
FakeRole Name: Flavor Cop


You’re not vain, just beautiful. And everyone deserves to know it. You’re not prideful, just the best there is. You're the fairest of them all! At least, that’s what you’re magic mirror tells you.

As a Witch, you share a QT with your diabolical sister here: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/D8qpgvWdSmx. you can talk there as much as you want during the Night, but not after you've been killed. Each night, when you complete the factional kill, you will act as a Poisoner. Target one player and give them a Poison Apple. They will unknowingly ingest it and die the following night.

Additionally, each night you may ask your “Mirror on the wall who’s the most ____ of them all”. But you’ll fill in the blank with one of {Investigative, Protective, or Manipulative}. You will then be told the Flavor Name of one of the players that performed the specified type of action that night. You will be considered targeting that player for all intents and purposes.

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For your fakeclaim you can probably stick to being a Flavor Cop, but you can add the Follower stuff in there too if you want. I’ll leave any other role modifiers or thematic twists up to you.

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Flavor Name: Maleficent
Alignment: Witch. You win when the majority of the players alive are Witch-aligned or nothing can prevent that from occurring.
Role Name: 2-shot Watcher

FakeFlavor Name:
Red Riding Hood
FakeRole Name: 2-shot Watcher OR Sensor


Crystal balls ain’t cheap. And with the economy how it is, pillaging towns and selling souls just isn’t enough anymore. Magicians have put a high price tag on mystical items and aren’t budging no matter how many family members you torture. But now that you’ve perfected your sleeping spell, you should be able to rob the Town with ease. Swipe their money, wake up the vendor, and BAM! You’ve got yourself a brand new crystal ball.

As a Witch, you share a QT with your diabolical sister here: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/D8qpgvWdSmx. You can talk there as much as you want during the night, but not after you've been killed. Each night, when you complete the factional kill, you will act as a Poisoner. Target one player and prick their finger on a spinning wheel. They will not be told this happened to them and will die the following night.

Additionally, each night (as long as you have enough shots left) you may target one player and gaze into your crystal ball. You will be told the name(s) of the player(s) that targeted your target that night.

Additionally, you are a member of the Enchanted Forest quicktopic. You may post there as much as you want during the night, but not after you’ve been killed. The alignment of your fellow quicktopic members is unknown to you.

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For your fake claim, you can stick to a a 2-shot Watcher or claim Sensor. If you do end up claiming Sensor, you should probably modify it to make it weaker. For either fake claim, you should tie it in with having to deliver something to your grandma.

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ashersky:
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Alignment: Wolf. You win when the majority of the players alive are Wolf-aligned or nothing can prevent that from occurring.
Role Name: Godfather/Ninja

FakeFlavor Name:
Jack the Giant Slayer
FakeRole Name: Commuter

“What a delicious meal”[/i] You say as you lick your lips and search around the house for some water to wash down your meal - old ladies tend to be a little dry.

You find a glass, fill it up at the tap, and and drink it down while standing upright. Even though you’re a wolf; you’re no animal. You act like a civilized creature and don’t like to get your paws dirty unless you have to. You poke and prod around the house a little more to see if there's any desert hiding around. You happen upon the, now dead, occupant’s wardrobe. With a dramatic swing of the doors you reveal a matching pink polka dot women’s nightgown and cap set. Civilized creatures DO need to wear clothes...

While dressed in the pajamas, you will be considered Town if your alignment is investigated. When you complete the factional kill you may choose to tear through your clothes and kill undetected (murder is a slicker without all that baggage). This will make you untraceable by any Trackers, Watchers, etc. But your Godfather power will fail to work as you are no longer wearing your disguise.

Additionally, you are a member of the Enchanted Forest quicktopic. You may post there as much as you want during the night, but not after you’ve been killed. The alignment of your fellow quicktopic members is unknown to you.

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For your fakeclaim, you can safely claim some variation of a Commuter. However, you should certainly modify to make it weaker than a pure Commuter and make it fit even more with your flavor name.

Quicktopic Link:http://quicktopic.com/50/H/JNBwusfGFp2


Other things:

- When one of the Witches is killed, the other's kill power will change from Poisoner to Arsonist. They will be notified of this.

-Tom Thumb is a Compulsive Hider

-Golden Touch=1-shot Roleblocker; Crystal Ball=1-shot Voyeur. The receiver of the Item will be told the Power, not the Flavor.

-Sandman can target Rapunzel even if she is Ascetic that night.

-Big Bad's Godfather affects both Desperado and Hider

-Items taken from Thieving:

Puss 'n Boots (Saber)
The Woodcutter (Axe)
Sleeping Beauty (Crown)
Prince Charming (Shield)
Tom Thumb (Tiny Hat)
Pied Piper (Sheet Music)
Sandman (Pile of Sand)
Rapunzel (Comb)
Evil Queen (Shard of Glass)
Maleficent (Crystal Ball)
Big Bad (Tuft of brown hair)[/color]
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #1010 on: December 06, 2013, 05:52:32 pm »

I really though you guys were gonna get me there in the end.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #1011 on: December 06, 2013, 05:52:53 pm »

Night Actions

N0 Actions

pingpongsam sprinkles sand on chairs' eyes


Night 1 Actions:

Faust sends a message to xeiron, EFHW, Jimmmmm
Morgrim Hides behind BoxOfDog
Pingpongsam Governors EFHW
BoxOfDog takes No Action
chairs gives EFHW a 1-shot Voyeur
Jimmmmm takes No Action
Xerxes Bodyguards pingpongsam
EFHW Watches Jimmmmm
Voltgloss No Action
Poisoner Kill Poisons Jimmmmm

To die:
No one

Night 2 actions!

PPS governs ashersky BoxOfDog
ashersky kills Xerxes
ashersky investigates....chairs BoxOfDog
chairs thieves ashersky BoxOfDog (Crystal Ball)
Xerxes bodyguards Xeiron BoxOfDog
Jimmmmm takes no action
BoxOfDog uses his lightning Rod
faust takes no action

To die:
XerxesPralor
Jimmmmm

Xeiron is conf. Town tomorrow.
Nevermind!
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #1012 on: December 06, 2013, 05:53:22 pm »

QTs:
Mod: http://quicktopic.com/50/H/KTu9Av9RTg59C
Speccy1: http://quicktopic.com/50/H/mi96hccjuKU
Speccy2: http://quicktopic.com/50/H/bUbPtKBjKZBS
Enchanted Forest: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/z7qZTvAHWVrQv

The personal QTs can be found in the Role PMs (at the bottom). The frequent posters in-thread are the ones with more post-filled QTs.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #1013 on: December 06, 2013, 05:55:54 pm »

Great setup, Arch. the flavor was great and I was always guessing if Mafia were there and how many scum were there. I really thought we had one more after ashersky and I wasn't totally sure ashersky was scum.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #1014 on: December 06, 2013, 05:59:13 pm »

Really enjoyed reading this
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #1015 on: December 06, 2013, 05:59:37 pm »

I had no idea people used their QTs so much.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #1016 on: December 06, 2013, 06:12:28 pm »

Secret History of the game:

So this setup is a compilation of a couple of ideas I had. Most prominently, the 'everyone knows a piece of the setup', but a couple other things. The first was 2 scumteams of different sizes. To balance it out, the smaller scumteam would have a normal kill while the larger a delayed or poisoner kill. There was also the idea of including not one, but 2 scum members in a Neighborhood QT. The original idea would be a 2-man QT with 2 scum, but that would end up making the other player look worse off if the other scum was killed, which I didn't want. So I added a third Town player. I also threw some info in there to help spark discussion.

I eventually settled on the Grimm Tale's theme since it encompassed the majority of those themes fairly easily. The original idea was a 3 v 2 scum team with different kills, but then there would be a problem of too much information being passed around the people in the scum teams. So to counteract that, and the apparent need for smaller games, I made it 2 v 1. Which ended up working better flavor-wise too (remember when Maleficent turned into a dragon and breathed fire at the end of Sleeping Beauty...?).

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Yeah. I'm a bit disappointed that ashersky gave up so early like he did, or I feel this would have been a very different game. The only real change I would have made would be to work harder on the scum fakeclaims and possibly make the Evil Queen's power stronger.

The funnest part was watching everyone try to decode their flavor texts. Some caught on to what I was hinting at, but I loved the different ways people interpreted things. I won't go through and pull them apart for every bit of info, and they should be pretty easy to figure out with everything out in the open, but if something particular was confusing, let me know and I'll answer.

I hope everyone enjoyed the game! MVP: mail-mi for his excellent Desperado kill.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Game Over- Town Wins!)
« Reply #1017 on: December 06, 2013, 06:22:43 pm »

Agree with MVP: mail-mi.

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Chapter 3 [Day])
« Reply #1018 on: December 06, 2013, 06:25:30 pm »

I hope everyone enjoyed the game! MVP: mail-mi for his excellent Desperado kill.

Especially since it turns out I was potentially lynch-proof, thanks to pps.

ashersky you did great.  Our first time as scum "together"!

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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Game Over- Town Wins!)
« Reply #1019 on: December 06, 2013, 07:45:55 pm »

I concur, great game, great job everyone!
MVP: mail-mi
The skill there was too intense. I think my suit got incinerated in the process..
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Game Over- Town Wins!)
« Reply #1020 on: December 07, 2013, 04:27:29 am »

Wow. That was pretty comprehensive. Go Town!
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Game Over- Town Wins!)
« Reply #1021 on: December 07, 2013, 04:31:58 am »

Arch, what was with the whole, "An axe is in the forest threatening to destroy the foliage" thing?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Game Over- Town Wins!)
« Reply #1022 on: December 07, 2013, 04:41:41 am »

Well, that went well. Sorry pps for suspecting you towards the end. Now, we even won falwlessly, right? Never mislynched anyone.

I absolutely agree that mail-mi should be MVP. That shot pretty much sealed the game for us.

Morgrim's QT is hilarious :D
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« Reply #1023 on: December 07, 2013, 04:43:25 am »

Ah, nevermind, we mislynched Morgrim. I almost forgot...
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Game Over- Town Wins!)
« Reply #1024 on: December 07, 2013, 08:23:17 am »

I choose to believe we would have played a flawless game if Voltgloss had remained present. Remember, we were hunting scum where there were none because he was absent.
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« Reply #1025 on: December 07, 2013, 09:08:04 am »

I really liked the flavor part of the game. I had much fun in trying to understand all the hints.
Maybe scum was a little underwhelming.  A scumteam of two in twelwe players is a little low. And a SK does not really help them much. They possibly should have had better roles or another teammate.

But then this game went exeptionally well for town. We caught Ashersky D1, and when mail-mi hit D2 we pretty much won.
Thank you to Ashersky for subbing in to a hopless situation.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Game Over- Town Wins!)
« Reply #1026 on: December 07, 2013, 01:52:02 pm »

Arch, what was with the whole, "An axe is in the forest threatening to destroy the foliage" thing?
The foliage referenced the Big Bad Wolf fakeclaim of 'Jack the Giant Slayer'. Your Axe could kill him.

I really liked the flavor part of the game. I had much fun in trying to understand all the hints.
Maybe scum was a little underwhelming.  A scumteam of two in twelwe players is a little low. And a SK does not really help them much. They possibly should have had better roles or another teammate.

But then this game went exeptionally well for town. We caught Ashersky D1, and when mail-mi hit D2 we pretty much won.
Thank you to Ashersky for subbing in to a hopless situation.
Yeah underpowerd scum was the main problem. I hoped that since they'd have a lot of information that'd be their strength, but with EFHW dying D2 and Voltgloss gone that didn't really happen. I suppose I could have made them unkillable by the SK. Thank you a lot ashersky for subbing in! It would have been really deflating to have to end the game by modkilling the last scum.

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« Reply #1027 on: December 07, 2013, 03:14:51 pm »

Awesome awesome awesome. Thanks so much for modding and for the MVP. So much loved the flavor aspect, was just so awesome.
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Game Over- Town Wins!)
« Reply #1028 on: December 07, 2013, 04:58:07 pm »

Arch, what was with the whole, "An axe is in the forest threatening to destroy the foliage" thing?
The foliage referenced the Big Bad Wolf fakeclaim of 'Jack the Giant Slayer'. Your Axe could kill him.

Was it intended to cause suspicion of me?
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Re: RMM11: A Grimm Tale (Game Over- Town Wins!)
« Reply #1029 on: December 07, 2013, 05:05:59 pm »

Arch, what was with the whole, "An axe is in the forest threatening to destroy the foliage" thing?
The foliage referenced the Big Bad Wolf fakeclaim of 'Jack the Giant Slayer'. Your Axe could kill him.

Was it intended to cause suspicion of me?
Sort of. I could've been interpreted either way. Same with the "Decieving Prince" meanin to cast suspicion on xeiron.
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