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Re: Resistance: Avalon II
« Reply #125 on: September 17, 2013, 02:38:02 pm »

Mission 1 Proposal 5
Leader: Tables
Proposed Team: Tables, Liopoil
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Accept: Everyone
Reject: No one
Proposal is Accepted

Tables and Liopoil have 24 hours to send in their pass/fails.
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Re: Resistance: Avalon II
« Reply #126 on: September 17, 2013, 07:41:14 pm »

Mission 1 Results
Team: Tables, Liopoil
Results: Pass, Pass

Mission 1 has passed!

Jimmmm has 24 hours to propose a team of 3 players.
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Re: Resistance: Avalon II
« Reply #127 on: September 17, 2013, 07:44:46 pm »

yay, good choice tables   ;D
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Re: Resistance: Avalon II
« Reply #128 on: September 17, 2013, 07:49:37 pm »

I'll have a look at this some time this afternoon. I'm likely to include Tables, not sure about liopoil yet.
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Re: Resistance: Avalon II
« Reply #129 on: September 17, 2013, 08:08:47 pm »

Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Score one for the good guys. My blue and purple picks no less; don't make me look foolish by going turncoat later :D
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Re: Resistance: Avalon II
« Reply #130 on: September 17, 2013, 09:13:18 pm »

Excellent, you got my co-ordination passed, just like I hoped.

Anyway, those reactions seem a little... TOO positive. It's M1, a pass isn't like a massive deal. Eh.

Either way this gives a little more reason to be confident of Lio. Not a huge amount, since he was likely to pass anyway, but it's nice.
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...spin-offs are still better for all of the previously cited reasons.
But not strictly better, because the spinoff can have a different cost than the expansion.

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Re: Resistance: Avalon II
« Reply #131 on: September 17, 2013, 09:14:21 pm »

I told twistedarcher that I have felt like this guy lately



I am still trying to figure out what sort of a mission I would accept--I am certainly more inclined to accept a mission with me on it, but even that isn't a guarantee--and like I said, if I am unsure about something I am more inclined to reject it than accept it.
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Re: Resistance: Avalon II
« Reply #132 on: September 17, 2013, 09:37:40 pm »

Lol @ yuma

Tables, maybe your reactions aren't positive enough! Where's your sense of childlike wonder??

WOOOOOO!!! FORUM AVALON!!!! GET PUMPED!!!!!!!
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Re: Resistance: Avalon II
« Reply #133 on: September 17, 2013, 10:13:15 pm »

Lol @ yuma

Tables, maybe your reactions aren't positive enough! Where's your sense of childlike wonder??

WOOOOOO!!! FORUM AVALON!!!! GET PUMPED!!!!!!!

It got beaten out of me after soundly losing the last game :P. But fair enough.
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...spin-offs are still better for all of the previously cited reasons.
But not strictly better, because the spinoff can have a different cost than the expansion.

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Re: Resistance: Avalon II
« Reply #134 on: September 18, 2013, 12:06:48 am »

Propose: liopoil, Tables, yuma
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Re: Resistance: Avalon II
« Reply #135 on: September 18, 2013, 06:57:04 am »

Not going to jump to the same conclusions I did last game about such a mission... but very interesting.
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...spin-offs are still better for all of the previously cited reasons.
But not strictly better, because the spinoff can have a different cost than the expansion.

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Re: Resistance: Avalon II
« Reply #136 on: September 18, 2013, 12:58:40 pm »

Not going to jump to the same conclusions I did last game about such a mission... but very interesting.

I don't remember what conclusions you jumped to last game. Could you elaborate?
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Re: Resistance: Avalon II
« Reply #137 on: September 18, 2013, 01:12:05 pm »

So the questionable variable here is presumably yuma,then?

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Re: Resistance: Avalon II
« Reply #138 on: September 18, 2013, 06:11:45 pm »

Mission 2 Proposal 1 has been proposed. Please send me your votes by 12 am. 11 pm if you want me to update before bed :)
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Re: Resistance: Avalon II
« Reply #139 on: September 18, 2013, 06:22:57 pm »

Mission 2, Proposal 1
Leader: Jimmmmm
Proposed Team: Tables, Liopoil, Yuma
Votes
Accept: Liopoil, WalrusmcfishSr, Yuma
Reject: Tables, Chairs, mail-mi, Jimmmm
Proposal is rejected.

Yuma has 24 hours to propose a new mission.
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Re: Resistance: Avalon II
« Reply #140 on: September 18, 2013, 06:27:06 pm »

Jimmmm, why not yourself? That would mean you have to guess all other resistances.
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Re: Resistance: Avalon II
« Reply #141 on: September 18, 2013, 06:28:16 pm »

Jimmmm+tables, why reject? walrus, why accept? I accepted because that was the mission I would have proposed if I had to right then. resistance reads on mail-mi, yuma, and tables.
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Re: Resistance: Avalon II
« Reply #142 on: September 18, 2013, 06:57:10 pm »

I accepted because you know Tables and lio were my top picks anyway, so this is something like what I would have probably proposed, except with me.

yuma I am more dubious on as stated, but it seems like people want to give him a chance :). I figured that this mission had a pretty good chance of passing, and if it were to fail, well then I guess we might learn something pretty interesting. Certainly it would at least initially crystallize my suspicions of yuma, but then it would be a good jumping-off point for scumhunting, no? It's possible Tables and lio are just exceptionally crafty.
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Re: Resistance: Avalon II
« Reply #143 on: September 18, 2013, 07:14:27 pm »

At this point I'm pretty suspicious of any mission that doesn't include the person proposing it.

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Re: Resistance: Avalon II
« Reply #144 on: September 18, 2013, 07:28:07 pm »

Not going to jump to the same conclusions I did last game about such a mission... but very interesting.

I don't remember what conclusions you jumped to last game. Could you elaborate?

Still want an answer to this at some point, but I don't think I need to wait for it before I propose my mission:

Propose: liopoil, mail-mi, yuma
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Re: Resistance: Avalon II
« Reply #145 on: September 18, 2013, 07:32:32 pm »

Not going to jump to the same conclusions I did last game about such a mission... but very interesting.

I don't remember what conclusions you jumped to last game. Could you elaborate?

I saw someone propose a very similar mission to this. I was immediately very skeptical, thinking it was a bad play. But then the person proposing the mission voted it down and I figured it was a trap of sorts, to see if anyone off mission would vote yes.

Here's the issue:

Suppose one is a rebel off mission in a proposal like this. Then look at the following scenarios:

  • Jim is a spy and the mission contains a spy. In this scenario you should obviously vote no. It's the simplest one. You don't know you're in it of course, but that's not the point.
  • Jim is a rebel and the mission contains a spy. Still simple. You should vote no. The only real reason to vote yes is if you think there are at least two spies on mission, who might goof up and both fail, but that's kind of a risk. You should probably vote no though, usually.
  • Jim is a rebel and the mission is clean. This is first interesting case. This is what you're probably thinking if you vote yes. But look carefully. Jim is a rebel, so that's one rebel. The mission is clean so that's three more rebles. And of course you're an off mission rebel, so you're clean. That's five rebels accounted for. Out of four. Er... As you can see, this scenario can't happen.
  • Jim is a spy and the mission is clean. This is the other interesting case. Here, you should actually vote yes, but the scenario is really weird. It's not impossible, but it's a very WIFOM spy play.

So if you are an off mission rebel, it's generally a really bad idea to vote yes - either it was proposed by a spy, or there's a spy on it, or both, and you know that for certain. Even if you're on mission, voting yes is a little weird - you need to trust an extra person more than you should otherwise need to, or believe he's a bluffing spy.

This thus makes me very suspicious of Walrus. One of the people involved in that mission is a spy, but you voted it up. Why?
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Re: Resistance: Avalon II
« Reply #146 on: September 18, 2013, 07:36:28 pm »

This thus makes me very suspicious of Walrus. One of the people involved in that mission is a spy, but you voted it up. Why?

Thanks for elaborating in more detail. This correlates to how I have been feeling about Walrus before the mission, but these points are certainly worth considering. I do have one concern but I'll voice it after Walrus addresses these points himself.
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Re: Resistance: Avalon II
« Reply #147 on: September 18, 2013, 08:05:41 pm »

Oh, I see, suspicious of Walrus day is it? :)

I guess I wasn't thinking about it quite in those terms. As I said, you're right, I have my concerns about yuma in particular. So maybe the mission flies and it fails. If so, oh dear, but we've got a big clue that I would imagine might outweigh a single loss in the long term, just as intentionally passing the first day might benefit the spies. If it passes, well then great, that's good too.

Does this reasoning not make sense?
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Re: Resistance: Avalon II
« Reply #148 on: September 18, 2013, 08:28:41 pm »

The reasoning of, I didn't quite think it through is what I expected. I'll be frank: I'm only slightly suspicious of you as a result. Voting yes to missions like that is generally more of a newbie tell (or a risktaker tell) than it is a spy tell. But it might be something to look back at later in the game. I still don't really have any good spy reads, everyone's seemed very pro-resistance so far, so this sticks out a fair bit, I think.
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Re: Resistance: Avalon II
« Reply #149 on: September 18, 2013, 08:50:52 pm »

Well that was certainly more approvals than I was expecting!
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