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Turn 3 prize gain
« on: August 24, 2013, 09:34:36 am »
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It's possible

hint: you don't need Guilds
hint: you need six players
« Last Edit: August 24, 2013, 09:37:23 am by Wrclass »
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Re: Turn 3 prize gain
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2013, 10:44:16 am »
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2P, Kingdom: Baker, Smithy, Coppersmith, Masquerade, Tournament, Shelters
P1 open Coppersmith/Smithy
P2 open Masquerade/ Tournament

T3:

P1 (Hand  Necropolis, Smithy, Coppersmith, CC)
Play Necropolis, Smithy (draw CCC), Coppersmith.
Hand CCCCC, Buy Province.
Draw(reshuffle) Shelters*2 Province, CC

P2:  (Hand  Necropolis, Masquerade, Tournment, CC)
Play Necropolis, Masqurade(pass shelter get Province), tournament gain prize.

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Re: Turn 3 prize gain
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2013, 11:05:32 am »
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2P, Kingdom: Baker, Smithy, Coppersmith, Masquerade, Tournament, Shelters
P1 open Coppersmith/Smithy
P2 open Masquerade/ Tournament

T3:

P1 (Hand  Necropolis, Smithy, Coppersmith, CC)
Play Necropolis, Smithy (draw CCC), Coppersmith.
Hand CCCCC, Buy Province.
Draw(reshuffle) Shelters*2 Province, CC

P2:  (Hand  Necropolis, Masquerade, Tournment, CC)
Play Necropolis, Masqurade(pass shelter get Province), tournament gain prize.



Replace Smithy with Watchtower and you don't even need Baker in the setup. (OP said: without Guilds)
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Re: Turn 3 prize gain
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2013, 11:14:16 am »
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Or open council room/copper.
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Re: Turn 3 prize gain
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2013, 01:31:08 pm »
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So, with 6 players and using guilds, it is possible in turn 2 :)

Kingdom: Baker, Noble Brigand (NB), Stonemason (SM), Masquerade (M), Coppersmith (CS), Tournament (T). Shelter game.
Turn 1:

Everybody draws 5C.
P1 buys NB, everybody discards Ho&OE and gains C.
P2 buys NB, P3-P6 discard C&N. Draws NB in clean-up
P3 buys SM, gains 2 NB using Baker coin (note: NB is on-buy, not on-gain). Draws N, NB, NB in clean-up
P4 buys M, draws M, C in clean-up
P5 buys SM, gains CS + T. Draws T,CS,C,C,C in clean-up (9 cards in draw pile)
P6 buys M, draws M, N in clean-up

Turn 2:
P1 does nothing
P2 plays NB
P3 plays N, NB, NB (P5 has now 3 cards in his draw pile)
P4 plays M. P4 passes C to P5 who passes T to P6.
P5 plays CS, buys Province. Reshuffles and draws Province in clean-up.
P6 plays N, M (P5 passes Province), T, shows province, gains prize.


There is some room for improvement: Players 4 and 6 could spend 3 more coins in their first turn. I think it is possible to gain 2 prizes in turn 2, or to gain a prize in turn 2 with fewer players.
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Re: Turn 3 prize gain
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2013, 02:36:37 pm »
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Awesome!

florrat was the apprentice of CC for sure  :)
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Re: Turn 3 prize gain
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2013, 03:12:34 pm »
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So, with 6 players and using guilds, it is possible in turn 2 :)

Kingdom: Baker, Noble Brigand (NB), Stonemason (SM), Masquerade (M), Coppersmith (CS), Tournament (T). Shelter game.
Turn 1:

Everybody draws 5C.
P1 buys NB, everybody discards Ho&OE and gains C.
P2 buys NB, P3-P6 discard C&N. Draws NB in clean-up
P3 buys SM, gains 2 NB using Baker coin (note: NB is on-buy, not on-gain). Draws N, NB, NB in clean-up
P4 buys M, draws M, C in clean-up
P5 buys SM, gains CS + T. Draws T,CS,C,C,C in clean-up (9 cards in draw pile)
P6 buys M, draws M, N in clean-up

Turn 2:
P1 does nothing
P2 plays NB
P3 plays N, NB, NB (P5 has now 3 cards in his draw pile)
P4 plays M. P4 passes C to P5 who passes T to P6.
P5 plays CS, buys Province. Reshuffles and draws Province in clean-up.
P6 plays N, M (P5 passes Province), T, shows province, gains prize.


There is some room for improvement: Players 4 and 6 could spend 3 more coins in their first turn. I think it is possible to gain 2 prizes in turn 2, or to gain a prize in turn 2 with fewer players.

WOW!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Turn 3 prize gain
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2013, 06:25:29 pm »
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With Guilds cards and 2 players starting with Estates, it's possible in 3 turns without stupid moves:
http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=7339.msg261905#msg261905
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Re: Turn 3 prize gain
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2013, 07:31:04 pm »
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2 players, starting with Estates. Noble Brigand, Baker, Stonemason, Tournament and Envoy in the kingdom:

Turn 1:
Player 1: Buy Noble Brigand. Flip 2x Estate. Player 2 gains Copper.
Player 2: 5 Coppers + Coin token - Buy Stonemason, gain Tournament and Envoy.

Turn 2:
Player 1: Do something.
Player 2: Hand: Estate, 2x Copper, Tournament, Envoy. Play Tournament, draw Copper. Play Envoy and reveal 5x Copper (draw 4, discard 1). Buy Province.
             Deck: 2x Estate, Stonemason. Draw those, Tournament and Province.

Turn 3:
Player 1: Do something.
Player 2: Play Tournament, discard Province, gain Prize.
on turn 2, after playing tournament:

1 action, 1 buy, 1$
hand: estate, 3 copper, envoy
discard:
deck: 4 copper, 2 estate, stonemason.

So when you play envoy, you can't reveal 5 coppers. you reveal estate and 4 copper, and since opponent isn't stupid, he makes you discard copper. you have 7$, no province for you.
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Re: Turn 3 prize gain
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2013, 07:35:17 pm »
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2 players, starting with Estates. Noble Brigand, Baker, Stonemason, Tournament and Envoy in the kingdom:

Turn 1:
Player 1: Buy Noble Brigand. Flip 2x Estate. Player 2 gains Copper.
Player 2: 5 Coppers + Coin token - Buy Stonemason, gain Tournament and Envoy.

Turn 2:
Player 1: Do something.
Player 2: Hand: Estate, 2x Copper, Tournament, Envoy. Play Tournament, draw Copper. Play Envoy and reveal 5x Copper (draw 4, discard 1). Buy Province.
             Deck: 2x Estate, Stonemason. Draw those, Tournament and Province.

Turn 3:
Player 1: Do something.
Player 2: Play Tournament, discard Province, gain Prize.
on turn 2, after playing tournament:

1 action, 1 buy, 1$
hand: estate, 3 copper, envoy
discard:
deck: 4 copper, 2 estate, stonemason.

So when you play envoy, you can't reveal 5 coppers. you reveal estate and 4 copper, and since opponent isn't stupid, he makes you discard copper. you have 7$, no province for you.

He gained an extra Copper from his opponent's Noble Brigand.
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Re: Turn 3 prize gain
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2013, 07:36:07 pm »
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And non-solitaire puzzle solutions are usually predicated on the other player(s) helping you.
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Re: Turn 3 prize gain
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2013, 07:45:14 pm »
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And non-solitaire puzzle solutions are usually predicated on the other player(s) helping you.
but the point of this solution was that it was without stupid moves.

but SCSN is right, I forgot he gained a copper from noble brigand. the solution works, barely.
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Re: Turn 3 prize gain
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2013, 07:48:34 pm »
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And non-solitaire puzzle solutions are usually predicated on the other player(s) helping you.
but the point of this solution was that it was without stupid moves.

but SCSN is right, I forgot he gained a copper from noble brigand. the solution works, barely.

Ah, OK.
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