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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #575 on: April 30, 2014, 10:58:58 pm »
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #576 on: April 30, 2014, 11:56:32 pm »
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Well, I can't add any further data to the question what 7 wins gets you.  I just got 150g and a rare (Blizzard, so actually a useful one.)

My last couple of games included:

a Rogue who comboed Gurubashi Berserker + Defender of Argus + Faceless Manipulator (over two turns) to put two 5/6 taunts in play
a Druid who comboed Force of Nature + Power of the Wild to clear my board and leave himself with the two minions he already had out still in play and buffed +1/+1 each
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #577 on: May 01, 2014, 12:34:46 am »
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Because I apparently have little to do other than random math problems, I ran the math on an arena run.  Assuming that people are matched up, on average, with another player with the same record, then of 8192 runs that start:

Code: [Select]
Wins    Runs    %
0       1024    12.50
1       1536    18.75
2       1536    18.75
3       1280    15.63
4        960    11.72
5        672     8.20
6        448     5.47
7        288     3.52
8        180     2.20
9        110     1.34
10        66     0.81
11        39     0.48
12        53     0.65

Mean number of wins is 2.992, though interestingly the median is 2.5: half of all runs achieve 2 or fewer wins.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #578 on: May 01, 2014, 12:47:44 am »
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The hearthpwn page on Arena has a table similar, with different results.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #579 on: May 01, 2014, 02:12:37 am »
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The hearthpwn page on Arena has a table similar, with different results.

Actually, if you scroll down to their bottom tables, they look exactly the same as mine.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #580 on: May 01, 2014, 02:26:52 am »
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The hearthpwn page on Arena has a table similar, with different results.

Actually, if you scroll down to their bottom tables, they look exactly the same as mine.

Right you are.  I saw that first table and stopped.

Also, 7 games for sure to get 150 gold back.  I was incorrect there, although that exact page is where I thought I saw 9.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #581 on: May 01, 2014, 10:10:10 am »
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I've been using Arena Mastery: http://arenamastery.com/tjy1

Here are my first three arena runs (and for the second two you can comment on my drafting):
http://arenamastery.com/LYqa
http://arenamastery.com/PhlB
http://arenamastery.com/vCgr

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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #582 on: May 01, 2014, 10:19:31 am »
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Either I am doing something wrong or those links aren't working as they are supposted to, theory.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #583 on: May 01, 2014, 10:59:47 am »
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #584 on: May 01, 2014, 11:15:37 am »
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Coining out a 2 drop on turn 1 is the best use of it, coining out a 3 drop on turn 2 is the second best use, and so on...
Lots of good advice in your post, but I don't agree with this bit. Kripp (the streamer) is a strong arena player and tends to not use the coin on turn 1.

Here's why I think turn 1 use is not ideal, outside of specific plays like coin-scrub, wyrm-coin-mirror image, etc. If just used to accelerate minions, the coin is most effectively used to get out a minion that is unusually strong for its mana cost. So for example, coining out a Yeti on turn 3 is one of the best uses of the coin. But there aren't any 2-drops nearly as exciting on an empty board as Yeti, Golem, etc. The best that comes to mind is Knife Juggler, but if you coin that out, it'll tend to get removed before you can use its ability anyway.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #585 on: May 01, 2014, 11:31:07 am »
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Coining out a 2 drop on turn 1 is the best use of it, coining out a 3 drop on turn 2 is the second best use, and so on...
Lots of good advice in your post, but I don't agree with this bit. Kripp (the streamer) is a strong arena player and tends to not use the coin on turn 1.

Here's why I think turn 1 use is not ideal, outside of specific plays like coin-scrub, wyrm-coin-mirror image, etc. If just used to accelerate minions, the coin is most effectively used to get out a minion that is unusually strong for its mana cost. So for example, coining out a Yeti on turn 3 is one of the best uses of the coin. But there aren't any 2-drops nearly as exciting on an empty board as Yeti, Golem, etc. The best that comes to mind is Knife Juggler, but if you coin that out, it'll tend to get removed before you can use its ability anyway.

I agree with blueblimp. From experience saving the coin for later is strong. Even Venture co. on turn 4 can be good, and Rogue's can use it to combo with tons of cards that it's worth it to keep it.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #586 on: May 01, 2014, 11:42:55 am »
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It's not that good on T1 if you cannot follow with T2 drop, it's ok if you can follow.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #587 on: May 01, 2014, 12:52:28 pm »
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Because I apparently have little to do other than random math problems, I ran the math on an arena run.  Assuming that people are matched up, on average, with another player with the same record, then of 8192 runs that start:

Code: [Select]
Wins    Runs    %
0       1024    12.50
1       1536    18.75
2       1536    18.75
3       1280    15.63
4        960    11.72
5        672     8.20
6        448     5.47
7        288     3.52
8        180     2.20
9        110     1.34
10        66     0.81
11        39     0.48
12        53     0.65

Mean number of wins is 2.992, though interestingly the median is 2.5: half of all runs achieve 2 or fewer wins.

This actually makes me feel way better about my arena runs.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #588 on: May 01, 2014, 01:24:29 pm »
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It's not that good on T1 if you cannot follow with T2 drop, it's ok if you can follow.

If you have 2 2-drops and no 1-drop, you should absolutely coin one out almost all the time.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #589 on: May 01, 2014, 04:38:05 pm »
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It's not that good on T1 if you cannot follow with T2 drop, it's ok if you can follow.

If you have 2 2-drops and no 1-drop, you should absolutely coin one out almost all the time.
If my hand is 2x raptor, 1x yeti, and some crappier/costlier stuff, I think T1 nothing T2 raptor T3 yeti is often better than T1 raptor T2 raptor T3 hero power T4 yeti. I suppose it depends partly on your mana curve. If you have a lot of sub-4 stuff, then it may be better to coin the raptor and hope you draw something to play on T3. I find that arena decks are often heavy on 4+ drops, so I wouldn't want to depend on drawing something cheap.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #590 on: May 01, 2014, 04:58:07 pm »
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It's not that good on T1 if you cannot follow with T2 drop, it's ok if you can follow.

If you have 2 2-drops and no 1-drop, you should absolutely coin one out almost all the time.
If my hand is 2x raptor, 1x yeti, and some crappier/costlier stuff, I think T1 nothing T2 raptor T3 yeti is often better than T1 raptor T2 raptor T3 hero power T4 yeti. I suppose it depends partly on your mana curve. If you have a lot of sub-4 stuff, then it may be better to coin the raptor and hope you draw something to play on T3. I find that arena decks are often heavy on 4+ drops, so I wouldn't want to depend on drawing something cheap.

If you have to hero power turn 3, then of course you lose any tempo you gained from the coin. So yeah, if you have little hope of drawing something to play turn 3 (even another 2-drop) in the next couple draws, then I guess you want to save the coin, but you run the risk of getting into a lot of trouble that way. If he plays turn 2 raptor, turn 3 removal (and another minion if the removal is Backstab/Soulfire), your turn 3 Yeti isn't going to save you.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #591 on: May 01, 2014, 05:20:57 pm »
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Anyone else finding themselves saying tazdingo all the time now?
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #592 on: May 01, 2014, 05:42:28 pm »
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Anyone else finding themselves saying tazdingo all the time now?

I thought I'd been saying tazdingo since playing warcraft II, but my unreliable memory has apparently made me misremember the origin of tazdingo. Tazdingo is great. It's so great it has retconned itself into my history.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #593 on: May 01, 2014, 06:22:25 pm »
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Anyone else finding themselves saying tazdingo all the time now?

Tazdingo has become synonymous with "beefy taunt". Fen Creeper is backup Tazdingo. Void walker is baby Tazdingo. Sunwalker is magical Tazdingo. Ironbark Protector or whatever is Giga Tazdingo. Mark of the Wild is a make your own Tazdingo kit.

TAAAZDINGOOOO
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #594 on: May 01, 2014, 06:24:11 pm »
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Anyone else finding themselves saying tazdingo all the time now?

Um... no?  What card is that?
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #595 on: May 01, 2014, 07:05:26 pm »
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I'm Titandrake #1456 if people want to add me.

Tazdingo = Senjin Shieldmaster = the savior against having a bad turn 2 and 3.

Also, either I'm only getting into games where Shadowform is good, or Shadowform is the best card in arena. Yes, you need to be in a safe position to play it in the first place, but 5 mana for 2 damage is often enough to let you live that turn, and then you have this ridiculous amount of inevitability and reach in the late game. I've won a lot of games this arena run by rushing for the face, then using Shadowform to get them to an unavioidable lethal in the next couple of turns unless they draw a heal.
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« Reply #596 on: May 01, 2014, 07:06:00 pm »
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Anyone else finding themselves saying tazdingo all the time now?

Um... no?  What card is that?

It's what senjin shieldmasta says when he gets played
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #597 on: May 01, 2014, 07:13:43 pm »
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Ah.  I play without sound, so that explains things a bit.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #598 on: May 01, 2014, 07:15:17 pm »
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Ah.  I play without sound, so that explains things a bit.

Whaaaaaa?! You miss all the catch phrases! Tazdingo! Mmmyyyeeeeessss!
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #599 on: May 01, 2014, 07:20:02 pm »
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Omg got my first 12 win arena with that priest deck. My last opponent DCed when the game could have gone either way, but I'm still really happy about this.


Edit: 2 packs, 245 gold, and a golden Unleash the Hounds for the rewards. One of those packs had a Harrison Jones in it. I think I'm done for the day, since I bet I've used up all the good fortune that the RNG gods are giving me today.
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