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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #325 on: March 10, 2014, 05:53:22 pm »
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My last two arena runs were really bad, but at least I got 2 legendaries out of them. Too bad I don't have any gold left now.

I feel the same way as you -- I just got Ragnaros and Antonidas from a 1-3 and 2-3 runs. The gold hit hurts, but it's probably worth it!
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #326 on: March 10, 2014, 07:09:24 pm »
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I don't know if this happens often or not, but I just got a minion to 20/20.
Just made a ridiculous comeback by bringing a minion to 36/36.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #327 on: March 11, 2014, 08:12:13 am »
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So, the latest nerfs to Nat Pagle and Tinkmaster Overspark:

I don't disagree that they were two of the most "overused" (not used more than was correct, but powerful enough that they deserves all tha usage) cards, and that made their swinginess competitively relevant. Tinkmaster got hit hard enough that it's essentially a non-card as far as competitive play is concerned. I don't feel like they went the right way with Nat Pagle though. They weakened his power level, but they didn't change the actual mechanic at all, so it's still just as swingy as before, and they didn't lower the power level enough to make sure he was competitively unviable. There's a reason all the coin-flippy cards in MTG are underpowered -- it's not great to have a competitive match hinge on coin flips.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #328 on: March 11, 2014, 08:34:34 am »
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Tit's not great to have a competitive match hinge on coin flips.

Well, now..

Edit: linked a better quality video.

Spoiler (for non-MTGers too):
Left is Nassif, right is Chapin, both (now) Hall of Famers and playing the same combo deck in the semifinals of Worlds. Nassif muligans to 4. When the video joins in, he is about to combo off the next turn, and Chapin has to go all in. Chapin casts some spells, gets him to 9, and than casts Ignite Memories, which says "Target player reveals a card at random from hand. Ignite Memories deals X damage where X is the card's mana cost. Copy Y times, where Y is how many spells you cast before this." So he has 5 copies all-together. Nassif is at 9, has a 5 coster (Ignite Memories), 2 coster(Grapeshot) and a 1coster(Ritual) in hand. If he reveals Ignite at any point, he is dead. He reveals 3 grapeshots, so he needs to reveal 2 rituals or it's over. He does. He wins next turn by casting the same spell, but Chapin had all 9 and 8 cost spells in hand. xD
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #329 on: March 11, 2014, 03:31:24 pm »
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Man, that's not a million to one shot.  That's about 1 in 11.  (32 in 343 if you want to be picky.)

In fact, after the first three draws, the chances on the last two are 1 in 9.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #330 on: March 11, 2014, 03:52:34 pm »
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I've always thought


was a better story. The odds were probably better than 1 in 11, but at most it's around 1 in 6.


At the end of Oliver Ruel's turn, Craig is at 3 life. He only has a 3/3 out, opponent is at 7 life, and he has a blocker that can block the Watchwolf, meaning Craig loses unless he wins this turn. He plays the Char in his hand end of turn (4 damage to anything, 2 damage to self), then topdecks a Lightning Helix to get the last 3 damage to win.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #331 on: March 11, 2014, 03:54:52 pm »
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So, the latest nerfs to Nat Pagle and Tinkmaster Overspark:

I don't disagree that they were two of the most "overused" (not used more than was correct, but powerful enough that they deserves all tha usage) cards, and that made their swinginess competitively relevant. Tinkmaster got hit hard enough that it's essentially a non-card as far as competitive play is concerned. I don't feel like they went the right way with Nat Pagle though. They weakened his power level, but they didn't change the actual mechanic at all, so it's still just as swingy as before, and they didn't lower the power level enough to make sure he was competitively unviable. There's a reason all the coin-flippy cards in MTG are underpowered -- it's not great to have a competitive match hinge on coin flips.

I don't see the tangible difference between "coin flips" and "random shuffling and drawing". There's a lot of randomness in card games. The goal wasn't to make these cards less random, just less powerful, and they did that with both of them. And technically, yet Pagle is now less random. During his lifetime, you flip the coin exactly 1 less time, which reduces the variance in the number of cards he draws. I also think he's weakened enough to come out of a lot of decks. You still probably want him in Warrior control or Miracle Rogue where you're not concerned too much about the tempo loss and have a decent shot to stick him for more than 2 turns, but if you were previously drawing an average of 1 card with him, that's now down to 0.5, which is probably not enough to be worth it. I'm probably going to dust mine.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #332 on: March 11, 2014, 04:38:15 pm »
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Shuffling decks is random. Coin flipping is random. Two random elements equals less consistency and more random. I think that's the point. Not that the card itself is random.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #333 on: March 11, 2014, 04:40:54 pm »
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I've always thought

<Char you>

was a better story. The odds were probably better than 1 in 11, but at most it's around 1 in 6.


I've deliberately chose one where the win wasn't a Topdeck but rather a card effect, to illustrate the point.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #334 on: March 11, 2014, 06:41:01 pm »
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A shuffled deck is dependent randomness, though, not independent like a coin flip. That's my major issue with it I think.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #335 on: March 11, 2014, 06:48:38 pm »
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Think I only seen Tinkmaster a couple of times in all my arena runs. The Nat nerf is hard. Maybe time to disenchant my golden one!
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #336 on: March 11, 2014, 07:02:55 pm »
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Think I only seen Tinkmaster a couple of times in all my arena runs. The Nat nerf is hard. Maybe time to disenchant my golden one!
OH GOD DON'T DO THIS BEFORE THE PATCH OR YOU LOSE 3 LEGENDARIES OF DUST
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #337 on: March 11, 2014, 07:08:56 pm »
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Oh, it patched already.  hidden buff for water elemental, lookie there
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #338 on: March 11, 2014, 07:12:32 pm »
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And a nerf to the paladin deck I was playing :(
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #339 on: March 11, 2014, 07:13:49 pm »
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Oh, it patched already.  hidden buff for water elemental, lookie there
What's the buff?
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #340 on: March 11, 2014, 07:19:22 pm »
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Oh, it patched already.  hidden buff for water elemental, lookie there
What's the buff?

Water Elemental (Mage) will now properly freeze armored heroes as intended.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #341 on: March 11, 2014, 07:33:11 pm »
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Think I only seen Tinkmaster a couple of times in all my arena runs. The Nat nerf is hard. Maybe time to disenchant my golden one!
OH GOD DON'T DO THIS BEFORE THE PATCH OR YOU LOSE 3 LEGENDARIES OF DUST

Heh thanks, no EU hasn't patched yet, but I was only considering d/e because I know the value will go back up.
Probably won't as I am a hoarder, just keep all my cards and all my dust not made anything really.....
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #342 on: March 11, 2014, 07:34:23 pm »
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Don't be a hoarder.  The worst thing that happens is you recraft golden pagle for the exact same dust cost and lose nothing.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #343 on: March 11, 2014, 07:38:21 pm »
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I hoard my cards, but that's because I don't play constructed and thus have no reason to bother disenchanting any of them.

It's also more that I don't have extra copies of the card to disenchant. No point disenchanting things like Flame Imp or Dark Iron Dwarf, when I know I'm still going to run them anyways.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #344 on: March 11, 2014, 07:50:43 pm »
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Oh, it patched already.  hidden buff for water elemental, lookie there
What's the buff?

Water Elemental (Mage) will now properly freeze armored heroes as intended.

This is kind of weird. The previous behavior seemed right based on the wording of the card, whether or not it was "intended".

I hoard my cards, but that's because I don't play constructed and thus have no reason to bother disenchanting any of them.

It's also more that I don't have extra copies of the card to disenchant. No point disenchanting things like Flame Imp or Dark Iron Dwarf, when I know I'm still going to run them anyways.

This seems somewhat inconsistent.

From a practical standpoint, there isn't a huge difference between keeping a card that is dustable for full value and crafting the card. So if you wouldn't craft the card, there's no reason to keep it.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #345 on: March 11, 2014, 08:06:39 pm »
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You can't tousle the leaves on the city board anymore.  I'm quitting Hearthstone.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #346 on: March 11, 2014, 08:44:14 pm »
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Oh, it patched already.  hidden buff for water elemental, lookie there
What's the buff?

Water Elemental (Mage) will now properly freeze armored heroes as intended.

I didn't even realize that was a bug.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #347 on: March 11, 2014, 09:12:03 pm »
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You can't tousle the leaves on the city board anymore.  I'm quitting Hearthstone.

Nooooooo :(

This seems somewhat inconsistent.

From a practical standpoint, there isn't a huge difference between keeping a card that is dustable for full value and crafting the card. So if you wouldn't craft the card, there's no reason to keep it.

I have a couple of casual decks I use to get daily quests that I can't get in arena. They used neutrals like Dark Iron Dwarf, and I was planning to use Dark Iron Dwarf even with the nerf, so I didn't have a reason to dust them, given that I was going to recraft them anyways if I did. I did disenchant my copies of Cone of Cold when they got nerfed, because I wasn't running them anyways.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #348 on: March 11, 2014, 09:43:40 pm »
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You can't tousle the leaves on the city board anymore.  I'm quitting Hearthstone.

Leaves were overpowered.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #349 on: March 12, 2014, 12:06:41 am »
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You can't tousle the leaves on the city board anymore.  I'm quitting Hearthstone.

The leaves were causing the minion swapping bug.
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