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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #2625 on: April 21, 2016, 11:44:54 am »
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BGH at 5 mana doesn't kill it, but instead makes it what it should be. A neutral removal card for classes that don't have good hard removal. At 3 it beat class removal, with all classes running it. At 5 you get classes like Druid considering it, but Shaman and mage running their class removal instead.

The problem is, there is no good class removal, so if being worse than class removal is a requirement for neutral cards, then there simply isn't going to be any good removal at all.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #2626 on: April 21, 2016, 11:51:19 am »
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BGH at 5 mana doesn't kill it, but instead makes it what it should be. A neutral removal card for classes that don't have good hard removal. At 3 it beat class removal, with all classes running it. At 5 you get classes like Druid considering it, but Shaman and mage running their class removal instead.

The problem is, there is no good class removal, so if being worse than class removal is a requirement for neutral cards, then there simply isn't going to be any good removal at all.
Which seems to me to fit pretty well with Blizzard's design philosophy for the game.  They don't want good removal to exist because if it did, "big, fun" minions wouldn't be playable (at least that seems to be what they think). 
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #2627 on: April 21, 2016, 11:55:43 am »
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BGH at 5 mana doesn't kill it, but instead makes it what it should be. A neutral removal card for classes that don't have good hard removal. At 3 it beat class removal, with all classes running it. At 5 you get classes like Druid considering it, but Shaman and mage running their class removal instead.

The problem is, there is no good class removal, so if being worse than class removal is a requirement for neutral cards, then there simply isn't going to be any good removal at all.

It's more like the class removal has shaped the way decks have evolved to not include non-instant impact minions higher than 6 Mana. The class removal is effective enough to deal with something like Deathwing.

I'd say Warrior, Priest, and to a lesser extent Shaman and Mage have a few decent to good class removal cards. However, the other classes...

Edit: on second thought, egh class removal only seems effective against 7+ mana Minions a lot of the time. Rarely do they actually give a tempo advantage.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #2628 on: April 21, 2016, 12:43:29 pm »
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I think we'll start seeing Polymorph from Mage more often.  I always run it anyway, but for some reason a lot of players don't.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #2629 on: April 21, 2016, 01:01:03 pm »
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I think we'll start seeing Polymorph from Mage more often.  I always run it anyway, but for some reason a lot of players don't.

I never was able to find room for it with 2x Fireball as an autoinclude. 
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #2630 on: April 21, 2016, 01:35:16 pm »
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Earth Shock seems really good now (Silence less so because it doesn't have the flexibility of the ping).
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #2631 on: April 21, 2016, 02:49:55 pm »
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Earth Shock seems really good now (Silence less so because it doesn't have the flexibility of the ping).

Earth shock just didn't fit into the aggro shaman list. It can't do face damage. But it was always an auto include, and so much fun to play vs. handlock during and before naxx.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #2632 on: April 24, 2016, 08:15:03 pm »
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Patch arrived early and screwed me out of a bunch of free dust (I wanted to get a golden Murkeye with the quest and then maybe disenchant it)
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #2633 on: April 24, 2016, 09:54:53 pm »
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I also noticed you can disenchant adventure cards now as well as craft them. Can you do this wen without the adventures?
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #2634 on: April 24, 2016, 10:07:56 pm »
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I also noticed you can disenchant adventure cards now as well as craft them. Can you do this wen without the adventures?

I know that we've been able to disenchant Adventures cards for awhile now, including the LoE cards. I'm not sure if they were also craftable.

The removal of the Murkeye/Parrot quest happened only a couple of hours ago I think, with no warning. Kinda scummy, I agree.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #2635 on: April 25, 2016, 01:35:12 am »
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I made like 5000 dust from these nerfs. 1 gold BGH and 2 gold Blade Flurries is insane. 3200 dust in just those.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #2636 on: April 25, 2016, 01:36:08 am »
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Patch arrived early and screwed me out of a bunch of free dust (I wanted to get a golden Murkeye/Parrot with the quest and then maybe disenchant it)

I checked around the official forums and it looks like they're backpedaling on the early removal of the Golden Murkeye quest.

http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/forum/topic/20743374537?page=1

It now seems that if you meet the requirements to get Golden Murkeye/Parrot before Standard hits, you can open a support ticket to customer service and I assume they will give you the Golden Murkeye/Parrot.

So act quickly if you're going to shoot for those cards.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #2637 on: April 25, 2016, 08:12:53 am »
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I made like 5000 dust from these nerfs. 1 gold BGH and 2 gold Blade Flurries is insane. 3200 dust in just those.

I think I made 5800, without any goldens.

Also thx to markusin, even though I already saw that. Apparently they'll just give you dust to craft the card in question, which means I'll get even more dust (I'd probably have actually kept Murk-Eye for a while at least, but I don't think I'll craft him with that dust)
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #2638 on: April 25, 2016, 08:56:02 am »
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Indeed I got granted 3200 dust.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #2639 on: April 25, 2016, 09:07:05 am »
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I only got like 4500 total.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #2640 on: April 25, 2016, 09:12:41 am »
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Ugh, waiting.  I hate waiting.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #2641 on: April 25, 2016, 09:40:24 am »
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Patch arrived early and screwed me out of a bunch of free dust (I wanted to get a golden Murkeye with the quest and then maybe disenchant it)

Is that EU only?  My Hearthstone still gas the old versions of cards, no Standard, no WotG.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #2642 on: April 25, 2016, 09:43:54 am »
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Patch arrived early and screwed me out of a bunch of free dust (I wanted to get a golden Murkeye with the quest and then maybe disenchant it)

Is that EU only?  My Hearthstone still gas the old versions of cards, no Standard, no WotG.

It was a preparation patch. It doesn't add WotOG or Standard, but was simply a preparation patch which happened to disable the Murkeye/Parrot quest. My client has updated on my phone this morning. Maybe EU got it earlier.

I haven't checked how much dust I'll get for disenchanting Golden cards. I know I'll get something like 1100 dust just for disenchanting duplicates from the classic set. Not too impressive I guess unless I happen to have a Golden version of a nerfed card somewhere.

Edit: So I got 2700 Dust from disenchanting nerfed cards, keeping one BGH. I can imagine myself recrafting Knife Juggler if I don't get it soon in packs or something, so the effective dust is a bit less than that. I think I disenchanted at least one Arcane Golem awhile back for some reason and didn't have any left to get full value disenchant dust. I got an extra 500 dust from disenchanting the remaining duplicates.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #2643 on: April 25, 2016, 11:32:52 am »
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Yeah, that patch is in. The release doesn't occur until tomorrow, at which point the contents of the patch will become available. The patch was more than just the new content, with Murkeye/Parrot being one of those things.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #2644 on: April 25, 2016, 12:18:46 pm »
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The "wow" emote is great. So much more BM than "sorry"
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #2645 on: April 25, 2016, 12:51:30 pm »
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The "wow" emote is great. So much more BM than "sorry"
WHAT?  I WANNA PLAY!
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #2646 on: April 25, 2016, 01:33:53 pm »
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The "wow" emote is great. So much more BM than "sorry"
WHAT?  I WANNA PLAY!

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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #2647 on: April 25, 2016, 01:34:36 pm »
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The "wow" emote is great. So much more BM than "sorry"

Today I found myself in a position where I had to go AFK for like 30 seconds during the mulligan. I was sad to not be able to say "sorry" after that.

The "wow" emotes are so over the top BM that it almost goes full circle to where you feel okay with losing. I think they're great.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #2648 on: April 25, 2016, 08:09:46 pm »
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The "wow" emote is great. So much more BM than "sorry"

Today I found myself in a position where I had to go AFK for like 30 seconds during the mulligan. I was sad to not be able to say "sorry" after that.

You could have emoted "Wow," I'm sure they'd understand.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #2649 on: April 26, 2016, 12:45:36 am »
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The thing with owl vs spell breaker is, now there's an interesting decision between the two. One is still relatively efficient overall, but the other is the cheapest option if all you value is the silence. It's like Windfury vs Windspeaker -- one is more efficient, but the other is the cheapest for just the effect.
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