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[Drab Emordnilap]

Zombie Chow is the counterpart to Flame Imp. They're both above the curve for one mana, with a drawback that doesn't affect the board at all. So they're really good for early board position. Ideally you're trading him for their two drop, so that your two drop lives. In that case the downside did literally nothing. It's even better at early board presence than Flame Imp because it kills their 2/1 and lives.

Sure, it's bad late, but so is basically every one drop. It's not significantly worse late than, say, Leper Gnome.

[Awaclus]

I'm running Paladin aggro and I hate Zombie Chow. I can't run it because it would often put my opponent out of reach in the late game, but my opponents can and it always trades 2-1.

[Titandrake]

The ideal Zombie Chow situation is that you play it turn 1, they have nothing, you play something turn 2, then your Chow can trade for their 2 drop. Zoo likes it a lot because Zoo isn't a pure aggro deck, it's a very aggressive board control deck and doesn't fizzile out as quickly as Paladin aggro/Face Hunter

A 1 drop for Undertaker buffing also helps.

[HiveMindEmulator]

It's 1 mana and it trades with 2-drops or kills multiple 2/1s. It's a spectacular tempo card. It's less good for go for the face right away kind of aggro. Those decks prefer Leper Gnome or Worgen Infiltrator.

[theory]

If your deck isn't trying to rush, Zombie Chow forces your opponent to trade their most important resource (board) for their least important resource (life).

[ashersky]

I guess if I was facing decks that dropped =<2 life minions in the first four turns more often, it might make more sense.  But it's all handlocks, control warriors/priests/shamans, and ramp druids.

I drop it turn 1 and face is the only target until T3 at the earliest.  And that's usually a T3 DotC 4/6 taunt.

[Titandrake]

Interesting tidbit from Trump's stream: when you go 12 wins in arena, it's possible to have a legendary be one of the rewards. He got a pack + ~300 gold + Al'Akir.

[nkirbit]

According to http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Arena#Reward_structure , you can start getting legendaries at 8 wins.  I've never seen one at any number.. it feels like they are much more rare as a card than as a pack.

[blueblimp]

If your deck isn't trying to rush, Zombie Chow forces your opponent to trade their most important resource (board) for their least important resource (life).

Bingo. Zombie Chow is, by design, terrible for any aggro deck. Even zoo in my experience suffers from having zombie chow, because although zoo aims for board control over pure face damage, you fairly often end up in scenarios vs slow decks where they will be favoured if they stabilize, and the heal from zombie chow makes it so much easier for them to stabilize.

Zombie Chow is a great card design because it solves the problem of making a strong early-game card that doesn't buff aggro decks.

[ashersky]

2 questions:

1) is there a name for that lucky win where your opponent has you completely locked down and has lethal next turn and yet you draw the one card in your deck that actually lets you win anyway?

2) does anyone have a link to a good guide on auto-resigning?  I have the basics, but if there's a nice guide, maybe by class or deck type, that'd be great.

[Awaclus]

2 questions:

1) is there a name for that lucky win where your opponent has you completely locked down and has lethal next turn and yet you draw the one card in your deck that actually lets you win anyway?

2) does anyone have a link to a good guide on auto-resigning?  I have the basics, but if there's a nice guide, maybe by class or deck type, that'd be great.

In MTG, 1) was known as "mising". Not sure if HS players use the term too.

[theory]

I guess if I was facing decks that dropped =<2 life minions in the first four turns more often, it might make more sense.  But it's all handlocks, control warriors/priests/shamans, and ramp druids.

I drop it turn 1 and face is the only target until T3 at the earliest.  And that's usually a T3 DotC 4/6 taunt.

I mean, do you never play against Zoolocks or face hunters?  Obviously Zombie Chow is not great if you're the beatdown (to borrow an MTG term), but any time you want to be the late game hero, Zombie Chow is amazing.  What's the alternative in the 1-drop slot?  Nothing else does 2 damage and is immune to ping.

[HiveMindEmulator]

What's the alternative in the 1-drop slot?  Nothing else does 2 damage and is immune to ping.

Worgen Infiltrator does 2 damage and is immune to ping. It's not really about ping. Hunter and Warlock don't have a ping hero power. It's more about killing a 2/1 (Leper), 1/2 (Undertaker), or 2/2 (Mad Sci) and living.

[theory]

Yes, you're right -- I don't know why I said immune to ping.  The real point is that it can do at least 2, often 4 damage to other minions, which is way more mileage than most other 1-drops.

[ashersky]

I guess if I was facing decks that dropped =<2 life minions in the first four turns more often, it might make more sense.  But it's all handlocks, control warriors/priests/shamans, and ramp druids.

I drop it turn 1 and face is the only target until T3 at the earliest.  And that's usually a T3 DotC 4/6 taunt.

I mean, do you never play against Zoolocks or face hunters?  Obviously Zombie Chow is not great if you're the beatdown (to borrow an MTG term), but any time you want to be the late game hero, Zombie Chow is amazing.  What's the alternative in the 1-drop slot?  Nothing else does 2 damage and is immune to ping.

I'd say I'm the beatdown for the first 4 turns of the game >75% of the time as Aggro Hunter.  I was running a shaman deck with Chow for some quests and found that I continued to run into the same control-style opponents and that Chow kept missing.

I guess it was nice against Zoo in that it could trade with Flame Imp, but that's not a net gain, either, since it negates the -3 health the Flame Imp does.

As for alternatives, Undertaker is often a 2+/3+ on T2 after dropping it on T1.

If it's all about trading favorably with a 1-health minion, seems like Elven Archer/Mortal Coil/etc. do it just as well.

What's the alternative in the 1-drop slot?  Nothing else does 2 damage and is immune to ping.

Worgen Infiltrator does 2 damage and is immune to ping. It's not really about ping. Hunter and Warlock don't have a ping hero power. It's more about killing a 2/1 (Leper), 1/2 (Undertaker), or 2/2 (Mad Sci) and living.

PPE -- This makes more sense.

[ashersky]

In MTG, 1) was known as "mising". Not sure if HS players use the term too.

How do you pronounce that?  It is "MY-sing?" or just like missing?

[Awaclus]

In MTG, 1) was known as "mising". Not sure if HS players use the term too.

How do you pronounce that?  It is "MY-sing?" or just like missing?

I've been headpronouncing it as "MY-sing".

[HiveMindEmulator]

If you're Hunter, you don't want Zombie Chow. Your 1-drops are Webspinner, Undertaker, and Leper.

[ashersky]

If you're Hunter, you don't want Zombie Chow. Your 1-drops are Webspinner, Undertaker, and Leper.

I'm not running Leper, but I get your point.

I was using Chow in Shaman.

[KingZog3]

I haven't had a problem with chow in my zoo deck. I got to legend two seasons ago and it's still doing fine. I find the health rarely matter early since you're often trading it for minions. And it's great as an undertaker buff.

[markusin]

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PPE -- This makes more sense.

Unrelated to the topic, but what does PPE stand for in the context of a forum post like this. I tried googling it but there are too many things using that acronym.

[Jorbles]

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PPE -- This makes more sense.

Unrelated to the topic, but what does PPE stand for in the context of a forum post like this. I tried googling it but there are too many things using that acronym.

Pre-post edit I believe.

[markusin]

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PPE -- This makes more sense.

Unrelated to the topic, but what does PPE stand for in the context of a forum post like this. I tried googling it but there are too many things using that acronym.

Pre-post edit I believe.

That's what I thought. It's just, the concept of a pre-post edit is weird to me.

[Awaclus]

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PPE -- This makes more sense.

Unrelated to the topic, but what does PPE stand for in the context of a forum post like this. I tried googling it but there are too many things using that acronym.

Pre-post edit I believe.

That's what I thought. It's just, the concept of a pre-post edit is weird to me.

It's that thing when you write your post, someone else posted something while you were typing, and then you read that new post, and edit your post after reading it.

[markusin]

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PPE -- This makes more sense.

Unrelated to the topic, but what does PPE stand for in the context of a forum post like this. I tried googling it but there are too many things using that acronym.

Pre-post edit I believe.

That's what I thought. It's just, the concept of a pre-post edit is weird to me.

It's that thing when you write your post, someone else posted something while you were typing, and then you read that new post, and edit your post after reading it.

Ah, I didn't know we had a thing to describe that.