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[Leo1997]

In our german forum (dominionblog.de) we have had the idea to play a tournament against a over nation. So my question is, are here any players who are interested in this? From France, UK, USA, or other countries?


Please write your ideas about a tournament like this in this topic.


your Leo

[Eevee]

I think we could get a team from Finland, maybe? Ratsia, Awaclus, myself?

[Leo1997]

Here is our idea for the modus.


Every nation look for a players wanting to play a match.
Aftherthan the players get numbers.
And then Player 1 from Nation A plays against Player 1 from Nation B, player 2 from Nation A plays against Player 2 from Nation B.


What are your thinkings about this?
Have you better ideas?

[SCSN]

Are you suggesting an online tournament or live?

If online count me in (I'm Dutch).

[Leo1997]

Oh, that is fine.

Are there some other Dutch players interested, too?

[Mr Anderson]

Are you suggesting an online tournament or live?

If online count me in (I'm Dutch).

It will be online.

[shark_bait]

This sounds like it has the potential to be pretty sweet. 

An idea for format would be to have 3-4 players per team.  For each match, each player could play a set number of games against each player on the opposing nations team.  Points could go 1 for win, 1/2 for draw, 0 for loss.  When every player has played his games against the other opponents, the higher scored team moves on.  It could be single elimination for the Nation against Nation match, but more swiss style in the individual player matches.

I could be interested, but don't know about time considerations to do this.

[Leo1997]

whats about you shark_bait

Could you organize a US Team?

[DG]

I think you could get some national captains to pick the teams but put some basic criteria in place to make sure the selections are not contentious. I'd play. Any competitive Dominion is good.

[jsh357]

I'd play but if it's all of the USA there are better reps than me.  Given that there are so many USA residents on the board, it might be best to go by regions. (NW/SW/SE/NE)

[zporiri]

im interested in playing for the US, but im sure there are plenty of better players than me in my country. i peaked on goko at ~6300 last week but have loss a lot of games recently

[Rabid]

/in for UK if we have enough players.

[Pex Golder]

Hello everyone!
I am a German dominion player and I came up with the idea to have some national competition. In all the tournaments I missed the possibility to play in a team. After some thoughts I’ve got a concept in mind which is quite similar to the concept of the Davis-/Fed-Cup in tennis.
Let me explain:
Each Nation creates it’s own team.
The match against the other Nation consists of five 1on1s, best of 5 (number of 1on1s is arguably, but ideally it should be an uneven number). In the first game the starting player will be determined randomly, in the other games the starting player will be the one who lost the previous game. A draw doesn’t count and the game will be repeated with the identical starting player. Which Nation wins more 1on1s wins the match. There is the possibility to play an even number of 1on1s and in case of a draw the Nation with the better win/lose ratio wins. If even the win/lose ratio is identical, each Nation nominates a player for a deciding best of 5 1on1. Maybe one player plays two 1on1s to get an uneven number.
How determine who plays who? Each Nation seeds it’s players based on the game number and sends the seeding list to a neutral person via PN who posts the lineups. Example:
Game 1: German player A
Game 2: German player B
Game 3: German player C

Game 1: Dutch player X
Game 2: Dutch player Y
Game 3: Dutch player Z
So German player A plays against Dutch player X…
For now I don’t have a whole tournament in mind. First it should be tested if this concept has potential and most important makes fun.
What do you think? Comments and improvement suggestions are welcome.

[qmech]

/in for UK if we have enough players.

If it happens any time soon then I'm probably away.  If it ends up taking off in September then I'd be available.

[WanderingWinder]

I'd play but if it's all of the USA there are better reps than me.  Given that there are so many USA residents on the board, it might be best to go by regions. (NW/SW/SE/NE)

Can we force the Dutch to be in regions, too? WITHOUT regions, I don't know that US has so much advantage (though more overall players, I grant), and I would seed something like:

1.Netherlands
2.US
3.UK
4.Sweden
5.Germany
...and everyone else. I could easily see any of the above winning.

[phoenix9797]

Mixing in some 4-player matches--2 players from each country in the matchup--would really be interesting.  It would give it a "Ryder Cup"-like feel, where the players participate in formats different from (but including) straight 2-player.  When the 4-player games happen, I imagine that some quite unique tactics might develop regarding attacking, defending, etc.  The turn order would alternate countries; teammates would not "sit" next to each other. 

Scoring here could be either team total victory points or by individual, and then results for the overall matchup could be calibrated accordingly.  (So perhaps a full point is awarded to the team if the 4-player matchup is scored as team total victory points, or a half point is awarded to each of 1st place and 2nd place if the players are scored individually.)  Obviously I don't have the details worked out, but if the Team World Cup were truly to emphasize creativity and skill *as a team*, then it should include some 4-player matchups in my opinion.  So every team member would partake in 1-on-1 matchups with a player from the other country (as outlined in the earlier posts), and then there are, say, four 4-player matchups (or something like that).

The total team performance--in both 2- and 4-player games--determines which team wins the overall matchup.

[Simon (DK)]

I'm from Denmark, and I would love to participate, but I don't think I've seen any other danes on this forum.
If anyone from Denmark is reading this, please let me know.
Otherwise I know a few players irl that I probably could get to participate with me.

There should probably be some rules about how much it's allowed to talk with your team mates during the matches.

For the competition layout, I would suggest that each team has 3 players in every match, and it should be allowed to change players between matches. Each of the 3 players will in a match play against each of the opponents. That way you don't need to rank the players, and a team match is best of 9.

It would be fun with 4 player matches with 2 from each team too. If that happens I think the victory points of the team mates should be added to get a team total victory points, and then compared with the other team to find the winner of the doubles match.

[Warfreak2]

/in for UK if we have enough players.

If it happens any time soon then I'm probably away.  If it ends up taking off in September then I'd be available.

Ditto for me.

[Davio]

I'd play but if it's all of the USA there are better reps than me.  Given that there are so many USA residents on the board, it might be best to go by regions. (NW/SW/SE/NE)

Can we force the Dutch to be in regions, too? WITHOUT regions, I don't know that US has so much advantage (though more overall players, I grant), and I would seed something like:

1.Netherlands
2.US
3.UK
4.Sweden
5.Germany
...and everyone else. I could easily see any of the above winning.

Well, if I'm part of team Orange, your odds will probably increase immensely.

[GwinnR]

With the number of players at each team i propose this: Each team has a defined number of members (5 or 7). Nations with more players may make more teams, if they are enough for a complete new team. I would also say, that two small nations which can not make their own team can have a mix-team, if there are enough members of each nation (depending on the number of players at each team I would say at least 2 or 3).

[Robz888]

You could split U.S. by region if need be. Like West Coast, East Cost, and The Rest, if you like.

I would play, /in.

[Leo1997]

4 player matches arent a great idea, i think.

Why more teams in some countries. First let look for until 11 players per countrie, if there are more, what is about a national tournament to find the best of them?

[GwinnR]

I think the problem with many players in a team is, that other players of other teams have to play more often, which can be difficult for them to find the time. But they have also a big advantage. If Stef makes a team with him as only member I think he will win ;-)

[RTT]

i´d play too. I´m German but i dont know how many Germans allready are interested and how its decided who is in the team?

how about differenciate between east-germany and West-Germany  (just kidding)

[scott_pilgrim]

I suppose I should throw my hat into the ring for U.S. (southwest/west coast if we end up with multiple teams).

[Leo1997]

We must make a rule, how many players are the minimum for one team.
In the Netherlands or in Germany it is not a problem to find 11 players, so i think Netherland shouldn't be allowed to sent an team with only one Player: Stef.

[SCSN]

We must make a rule, how many players are the minimum for one team.
In the Netherlands or in Germany it is not a problem to find 11 players

I disagree. While there are certainly more than 11 dominion players in the Netherlands, I don't even know that many myself, and finding and coordinating so many players for a team in an online tournament sounds like quite a bit of trouble, not only getting them together in the first place, but also coordinating so many matches throughout the tournament.

I would strongly suggest something like a minimum of 3 and a maximum of 5 players per team, also because you want as many countries as possible to participate, and matching a team of 3 against a team of 11 is just silly. If a country has far more than 5 players willing to participate, you can decide to either allow multiple teams per country, or to have them do a preround among themselves to select the players.

[Leo1997]

I want that the players selected the best players per one countrie.

Whats your opinion?

[SCSN]

That would be my choice as well.

[GwinnR]

As I said before, I think we should allow multiple teams per nation. Why should we discriminate the "worse" players in one nation, while "bad" players of other nations may play? I think it wouldn't destroy the idea of a nations-cup if there are more teams per nation.

[TheMirrorMan]

I think I may be able to get an online Belgian team together. Enough Belgian players on Goko that I know of.

[Leo1997]

Thats pretty good!!!

Geronimoo is from Belgium, too. You could organize a team with him together!!!

We have teams from 10 nations so far.

Germany
Netherlands
Belgium
Finnland
Sweden ?
Austria  ?
UK
USA
Canada ?
Denmark

the ? menas that i haven't a Yes from a player from this nation, but there are players from this nations in the forum

[Geronimoo]

I'm in (Belgium)

[shark_bait]

whats about you shark_bait

Could you organize a US Team?

Don't count on me for it.  Time-wise, I need to evaluate the possibility of me participating.    There are plenty of qualified American's to lead our team.  Once more info is out on the schedule, I might see if I can make it work, but I'd rather not be 100% counted on now.

On a lighter note, since I have Dutch heritage and my hometown is Holland, Michigan does that mean I can duel-team this?  I certainly like my chances of success then with my hat with two of the powerhouses. 

[loppo]

i'm not sure i can activate enough players for a Team Austria.
I have informed the organizer of all Autrian boardgame tournaments, to find players, and will let you know if a team is building. So for the moment i'd give a 50% chance for that to happen.

Since most of the players i know in Austria play only 3-4player Dominion, we would be easy prey on the 2player tables.

Timewise, i have a rather tight schedule with family/work. Therefore i would gladly let someone else have the honour to be captain of our team.

[Davio]

Maybe Ozle can tempt some coconut tree climbers to play and enter with Team Tuvalu.

[Kirian]

...my hometown is Holland, Michigan

Oh man.  I'm glad you escaped!

[dondon151]

I certainly like my chances of success then with my hat with two of the powerhouses. 

What, I'm not good enough?

[scott_pilgrim]

Is there an implication that people who participate should own sets on Goko?  Certainly there will need to be at least some number of people per team who do.  I posted last night without thinking about that, so if people who don't have sets on Goko are excluded, I guess I'm out. 

[Leo1997]

It is enought if one of the both player have all sets. Important is that the player who start the room where the match is have all sets.

[Leo1997]

Good news, there are some players from

Australia
Argentinia
Japan
France
Poland Czech Republic

so all in all 16 Nations, 16 teams! WOW, thats funny

[Pex Golder]

Based on the interest in playing a Nation Cup, I think the best next step is to precise the rules and regulations.

1. Each Nation plays with one team consisting of a minimum of 3 players and a maximum of 5 players.
2. The captain of each Nation posts the lineups in this thread.
3. The deadline of the signups will be on 17 August 2013.
4. The Nation Cup is played in single-elimination-modus.
5. Each round consists of five or three 1on1s respectively and must be played within one week, starting on 19 August 2013.
6. The number of rounds depends on how much Nations participate.
7. To determine which players play against each other the captain of each Nation sends me a seeding list (i.e. Game 1: Player A; Game 2: Player B) via PN and I post the pairing opponents.
8. During the round, paired opponents must determine a time to play their match.
9. Which Nation wins more 1on1s wins the match and enters the next round.
10. If not all 1on1s are played within one week, the Nation which won more 1on1s at the end of the week will enter the next round. In case of a tie the Nation with the better win/loss ratio of games for the individual match will enter the next round. If even the win/loss ratio is identical, coin flip decides.
11. The 1on1s are played in a best of five series, in which the starting player is determined randomly in the first game, whereas in the other games the starting player is the one who lost the previous game.
12. Ties do not count and the game gets repeated with identical starting players.
13. In case of disconnection the game gets repeated with identical starting players (unless otherwise agreed to).
14. Point tracker: On (unless otherwise agreed to)
15. The results of the games get posted in the result thread, which I will open, once the Nation Cup begins.

Feel free to post questions and comments. If anything misses, let me know. Have fun!

[Leo1997]

What is about the modus?
If we have 16 nations we could make groups, and then a quarter, semi and a final.

I think every nation should make a team until beginning of September, because there are some national tournaments at the moment, others are in holidays, and first we should organize the exact rules.

[gman314]

I'd love to play. But sadly, I don't believe there are many other Canadians on this site. Could other Canadians correct me or could I have a place on some Northern US team? Please? Pretty Please?

[Leo1997]

Hi gman , i found this players from Canada

KIngZog3
The Adventurer
mathguy
gman314
RisingJaguar

I wrote with KingZog3, he will organize a team.

[GwinnR]

10. If not all 1on1s are played within one week, the Nation which won more 1on1s at the end of the week will enter the next round. In case of a tie the Nation with the better win/loss ratio of games for the individual match will enter the next round. If even the win/loss ratio is identical, coin flip decides.
[...]
13. In case of disconnection the game gets repeated with identical starting players (unless otherwise agreed to).

There should be rules to avoid misuses. I my team won the first match, we don't play the others, so that we win 1:0. And I can disconnect, if I'm far enough behind. But I hope (and think) that we can count on the fairness and common sense of all players.

[Simon (DK)]

Based on the interest in playing a Nation Cup, I think the best next step is to precise the rules and regulations.

1. Each Nation plays with one team consisting of a minimum of 3 players and a maximum of 5 players.

Why have a maximum on number of players? As this is national teams, the teams should be allowed to switch players between the matches. I see no reason to have a maximum.

4. The Nation Cup is played in single-elimination-modus.

This will be a fun and different kind of playing, so I think every team should be able to get more than 1 match.
I think it should start with 4 groups of 4 teams, who play against eachother, and then 3 teams goes through (2 to quarter final and 1 directly to semi final).
2 through from each group would also be a possibility, but I'd prefer 3.

This way each team is guaranteed at least 3 matches.

5. Each round consists of five or three 1on1s respectively and must be played within one week, starting on 19 August 2013.

Every team match should have the same number of individual matches.
For a team, who is playing against a team with better opponents, it would be better to only play 3 matches than 5 (shorter distance means more luck).

7. To determine which players play against each other the captain of each Nation sends me a seeding list (i.e. Game 1: Player A; Game 2: Player B) via PN and I post the pairing opponents.
8. During the round, paired opponents must determine a time to play their match.

I would personally prefer a team match, where you play 1 set matches against more (or all) of the opponent, and have the whole team match at 1 time, but it would probably be too difficult to agree on a time, where all players can play.

12. Ties do not count and the game gets repeated with identical starting players.

I think the starting player should be switched after a tie (but maybe that's just me?).


There's 2 rules I think is missing:

1. A rule regarding setups.
I'd suggest having a rule that says, that the player, who owns the most cards, sets up a random game with all of his/her cards.

2. A rule regarding how much it's allowed to talk with your team members during a match.

[Leo1997]

I think we should make it like the EM Mode.

The best two teams from each group comes into the quarter final!!


But we have 20 teams maybe
 
I find 3 players from Hong Kong and 2 From Neazeeland, a few from Norway and one from Isreal. I wrode them a PN.

[GwinnR]

Based on the interest in playing a Nation Cup, I think the best next step is to precise the rules and regulations.

1. Each Nation plays with one team consisting of a minimum of 3 players and a maximum of 5 players.

Why have a maximum on number of players? As this is national teams, the teams should be allowed to switch players between the matches. I see no reason to have a maximum.

4. The Nation Cup is played in single-elimination-modus.

This will be a fun and different kind of playing, so I think every team should be able to get more than 1 match.
I think it should start with 4 groups of 4 teams, who play against eachother, and then 3 teams goes through (2 to quarter final and 1 directly to semi final).
2 through from each group would also be a possibility, but I'd prefer 3.

This way each team is guaranteed at least 3 matches.

5. Each round consists of five or three 1on1s respectively and must be played within one week, starting on 19 August 2013.

Every team match should have the same number of individual matches.
For a team, who is playing against a team with better opponents, it would be better to only play 3 matches than 5 (shorter distance means more luck).

7. To determine which players play against each other the captain of each Nation sends me a seeding list (i.e. Game 1: Player A; Game 2: Player B) via PN and I post the pairing opponents.
8. During the round, paired opponents must determine a time to play their match.

I would personally prefer a team match, where you play 1 set matches against more (or all) of the opponent, and have the whole team match at 1 time, but it would probably be too difficult to agree on a time, where all players can play.

12. Ties do not count and the game gets repeated with identical starting players.

I think the starting player should be switched after a tie (but maybe that's just me?).


There's 2 rules I think is missing:

1. A rule regarding setups.
I'd suggest having a rule that says, that the player, who owns the most cards, sets up a random game with all of his/her cards.

2. A rule regarding how much it's allowed to talk with your team members during a match.

4) Yes, I think something like that would be better.
5) I don't think that we want a tournament, where the luck decides the winner, do we? If yes, we can make a tournament in flipping coins, but don't have to play dominion ;-)
7)/8) Yes, it would be to difficult to find a time, where 6 or 10 players have time.
12) I'd rather play with the same starting player. If not it can be, that the (let's say 3) decisive matches will be started by the same team.

[Indur]

First off: cool idea. I would definately like to play (I'm from the Netherlands).

Some thoughts:

• If the time schedule goes forward as proposed, won't it interfere with the new GokoDom tournament, which will start on August 9th?
• I haven't really heard any good arguments against having multiple teams per country. I think small teams (3-5) is better, since rounds won't take as long and it will be easier for countries with a small number of Goko players to get a team together.
• One of the things I dislike about international tournaments is the time difference. Maybe we can have initial pairings based (somewhat) on time zones.

And a hopeful note: if national championships ever become somewhat big, we can seed the national teams based on NC results. I realize that Goko rating probably gives a better estimate of players' skills, but this will really give the teams a more patriottic background

[Simon (DK)]

5) I don't think that we want a tournament, where the luck decides the winner, do we? If yes, we can make a tournament in flipping coins, but don't have to play dominion ;-)

My point was that I think every team match should have the same number of individual matches.
I don't think it would be good if some team matches has 3 individual matches, and some team matches has 5 individual matches.

• I haven't really heard any good arguments against having multiple teams per country.
  

I think a good argument against that is that it can lead to teams in the top 3 being from the same country.

I don't think a final placement like:
1. USA
2. USA
3. USA

or

1. Netherlands
2. USA
3. USA

would be a good thing.

I really think that top 3 should be 3 different countries.[/list]

[Warfreak2]

You could allow multiple teams per country in the qualifying stage, and then stipulate that a team doesn't qualify if a higher-placed team from the same country does qualify.

[Simon (DK)]

You could allow multiple teams per country in the qualifying stage, and then stipulate that a team doesn't qualify if a higher-placed team from the same country does qualify.

Would this be much different from a country having an intern competition to decide who gets to play on the team in the team competition?
I think that would be a much better solution.

[hsiale]

I think single elimination right from the first game is not good. Especially for a team competition - organizing a team to have it play just one game won't be fun. My two ideas on how it could be organized:

1. Teams of 3 people sign up. Whole team must be from the same country. Tournament starts with some rounds of swiss format. Teams that advace to single elimiation stage:
- team ranked 1st,
- highest ranked team from another country than the team ranked first,
- ad so on, till 4 or 8 teams qualify

2. Ask Gokodom participants to declare if they are interested in additional team tournament. After Gokodom ends, top 3 interested participats from each coutry are chosen and their scores added up. 8 highest ranked countries advance, the team is players whose score was added to get their coutry's score.

[Simon (DK)]

I think single elimination right from the first game is not good. Especially for a team competition - organizing a team to have it play just one game won't be fun. My two ideas on how it could be organized:

1. Teams of 3 people sign up. Whole team must be from the same country. Tournament starts with some rounds of swiss format. Teams that advace to single elimiation stage:
- team ranked 1st,
- highest ranked team from another country than the team ranked first,
- ad so on, till 4 or 8 teams qualify

2. Ask Gokodom participants to declare if they are interested in additional team tournament. After Gokodom ends, top 3 interested participats from each coutry are chosen and their scores added up. 8 highest ranked countries advance, the team is players whose score was added to get their coutry's score.

1:
I like the this idea. I think 8 teams should go through

2:
I don't like this idea. This tournament may be a chancee for the smaller countries to get in players, who doesn't normally play competitions. There can easily be players, who participates in the team competition, but not in GokoDom.

[Leo1997]

I want one team per country.  (Ich möchte ein Team pro Land)
Then we have got 20 teams, at the moment. (Dann haben wir 20 Teams, zumindest jetzt)

We split them up in 4 groups with 5 nations at one group. (Wir machen 4 Gruppen mit je 5 Ländern)

In every group every nations plays against every over nation. That means for every team 4 matches (In jeder Gruppe spielt jede Nation gegen jede andere. Das bedeutet 4 Matches für jede Nation)

The two best teams of each groups are qualifed for the quarter final (Die besten 2 Teams von jeder Gruppe qualifizieren sich für das Viertelfinale)


And than (Und dann)

Quarterfinal I : First of Group A vs. Second of Group B
Quarterfinal II : First of Group C vs. Second of Group D
Quarterfinal III : First of Group B vs. Second of Group A
Quarterfinal IV : First of Group D vs. Second of Group C

Semifinal alpha : Winner Quarterfinal  I vs. Winner Quarterfinal II
Semifinal beta : Winner Quarterfinal III vs. Winner Quarterfinal IV

Final: Winner semifinal alpha vs. Winner semifinal beta


If there are more than 20 nations at the beginning, we could talk about a qualifing to find the best 20 or 16 teams out.

[Leo1997]

If there are too much countries i have got an idea for the qualifing

For example, we have 4 teams from America, 4 from Asia, 2 from Australia and 15 from Europe.
Than me make a group with All American teams, and only the best of them will play on the tournament
We make a group with the Asia teams, only the best will qualifing for the tournament.
We make 3 Europaen groups, only the best of each group and the best on the second place will play on the tournament.
So we have got 6 teams so far.

Now, the second of the American group plays against the second of the Asian group, the winner will qualifing.
And now, the loser of this match, plays against the winner of the Australian group,
so we have got 8 teams.

This is only an example. Depending on how much teams from each continent will take a part, we must vary this system

[HiveMindEmulator]

Sounds like fun. I'd like to see the results, and potentially play (U.S., not sure how deep the team already is).

[hsiale]

Any players from Poland here to join me and make a team?

[Leo1997]

If there arent enought players in the forum of you country,

ask you friends

Its not a problem if your team havnt a high Goko Rang,

[Slyfox]

I'd be interested in playing for Team USA.  It sounds like several of the top players aren't from the US, so I guess it depends on how deep in the rankings one needs to go to find the requisite number of players from the US. (I just broke the top 10 on Goko's rankings for the first time and I'm 15th on the Unofficial Goko Trueskill ranking, so it might be plausible.)

[Jack Rudd]

/in for a Trinidad and Tobago team, if there can be one.

[Leo1997]

Trinidad and Tobago, that would be cool and exotic.

[Leo1997]

Here you have got the rules
Official Rules of  Dominion Team Tournament:
1. Generally
1.1 Language
The official language of the tournament is English. If there are translations in other languages, in cases of doubt, the English wording would be correct.
1.2 Inofficial tournament
This tournament is an inofficial, no commercial tournament.

2. Contestants

2.1 The contestants of the International Dominion Team Tournaments are Teams.
2.2 Every nation of the world can only sent 1 Team to the Tournament.
2.3 Which players represent a nationality, is a topic of the nation. But every citizien of a nation must have a chance to play on the premilinaries of this nations. 
2.4  A person can only play for a country where he is citizien or where he lifes. It is not allowed that some persons play in two teams or play in the preliminaries of two nations.
2.5 In each teams there can be maximum 7 members. If a nation finds not more than 3 members, the members of this nation are allowed to taking part in the premilnaries of other nations.

3. The matches
3.1 The matches In one match, there are 8 duells. So Remis are possible.  8 players from Nation A play versus 8 players from Nation B in 2 player matches. This matches called Single Matches. Each player of a nation could only take a part in one of this matches, so far this is possible. If a team has not 8 players in the team, some players are allowed to play twice. All 8 single matches will be played, also when one nation wins 5 of it before all duells will be played.
3.2 The single matches   Single matches are Best of 5 matches. The player who starts the first match is the player from the nation that is called first in the encounter. After the first match the start player will changed.

4. Modus of the Tournament
4.1 The tournament is playing in two main rounds. The first round is the group round. The nations are splitting in groups. In each group every nation plays against every other nation in this group. The best teams of each group comes into the KO-Round. The number of groups, the number of teams in each group and the number of the teams coming into the KO-Round is depending on the number of teams taking part on the tournament.
 4.2 The ranking of the teams in one group is deciding with this arguments.
The nations in one group sorted by the number of points they get in ALL GAMES. For a victory they get 3 points, for a Remis 1, and for a defeat 0 points.
When after this two or more nations have the same number of points, this nations sorted by the number of points they get in the games they get in the direct comparison.
When after this two or more nations have the same number of points in the direct comparison, this nations sorted by relationship of won and lost single matches in the direct comparison.
When after this two or more nations have the same relationship of won and lost matches in the direct comparison, this nations sorted by the number of won single matches in the direct comparison.
When after this two or more nations have the same number of won single matches in the direct comparison, this nations sorted by relationship of won and lost single matches in all Games, than they sorted by the won single matches in All Games.
After that all the Lot will decide about the position.

[Simon (DK)]

In each teams there can be maximum 7 members.
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8 players from Nation A play versus 8 players from Nation B in 2 player matches. If a team has not 8 players in the team, some players are allowed to play twice.

So basically in every match there will be at least 1 player playing twice? With a maximum of 7 players, it's impossible to have 8 players.

The english was at times not that good, but I think everything was understandable

With it being allowed to play twice, it would be better to only find the 4 best players of a nation, and then let them play twice, instead of finding a full team. I don't like that.

It should be allowed to make teams with players from countries that are too small instead of having to attempt to play for a team that is big enough to have a preliminary round.


There's still 2 rules I think is missing:

1. A rule regarding setups.
I'd suggest having a rule that says, that the player, who owns the most cards, sets up a random game with all of his/her cards.

2. A rule regarding how much it's allowed to talk with your team members during a match.

[GwinnR]

2. A rule regarding how much it's allowed to talk with your team members during a match.

I think noone should be allowed to talk to his team members. If it would be allowed, we could say, that just one player plays all games: One of his own, the other games by telling the other team members what to do.

[PitzerMike]

I'm in for Austria.
I havn't played on Goko yet, so I don't know if that's a problem. I might buy some sets in the near future though.

[Mr Anderson]

I would recommend to buy all sets at once, it is cheaper if you want to buy all cards anyway. It's ~35€ to buy all expansions including Guilds.

[Leo1997]

Cause we have so much teams, i have got an idea. A qualifing.
Here is my idea for this.

We have places for 16 teams in the 1st round.

Place 1 goes to the representative of Asia.
We have two teams in Asia Japan and Hong Kong, so Japan plays a match against Hong Kong, the winner is qualifed for the tournament.

Place 2 goes to the represantative of Australia and Oceania
We have two teams there, Australia and New Zealand, so New Zealand plays against Australia, the winner is qualifed for the tournament.

Place 3 goes to a other representative of Asia or Australia and Oceania
The loser of the Asian qualifing match plays against the loser of New Zealand qualifing match, the winner is qualifed for the tournament.

Place 4 and 5 go to the representative of Northern America
We have Trinidad and Tobago, Canada and the United States their, cause this nations play in a group of 3 teams, the best two teams are qualifed.

Place 6 goes to an other representative of Northern America or to Argentinia, the only team from Southern America
So the last team of the Northern America group plays against Argentinia, the winner is qualifed.


Places 7 - 16 goes to the representatives of Europe. We have 14 teams their, so we make 2 groups of 4 members and too groups if 3 members. The best two teams of each group and the best two teams on the third plays are qualifed for the tournament.

[Simon (DK)]

2. A rule regarding how much it's allowed to talk with your team members during a match.

I think noone should be allowed to talk to his team members. If it would be allowed, we could say, that just one player plays all games: One of his own, the other games by telling the other team members what to do.

I would be fine with this (assuming you only mean during the matches), but it should be a written rule.

[ashersky]

If we can play for the country in which we are currently residing (without being a citizen), I'd volunteer for Australia.  I'm not good enough for the USA team, but I think sheer lack of numbers would mean I have a shot at the Aussie team.

[Leo1997]

Very good,


ps:

i will be in vacation for two weeks now

[EgorK]

I'm interested in either be part of Team Russia or, if no one else is intersted, try to organize one

[bama]

Would be interested in helping the US team...not sure if I make the cut though, plus haven't played in about a month, so out of practice.

Hopefully Gokodom gets me back in...

In terms of structure, since you're calling this the "World Cup", couldn't you model it after FIFA World Cup?  Qualifying regions with pool play, seeded groups in the finals with pool play leading up to a bracket?  And use the 3/1/0 point system?

[EgorK]

In terms of structure, since you're calling this the "World Cup", couldn't you model it after FIFA World Cup?  Qualifying regions with pool play, seeded groups in the finals with pool play leading up to a bracket?  And use the 3/1/0 point system?

World Cup is quite a common term for worldwide competitions, not only in football. Besides, there is no reason to punish draws here

[Warrior]

/in for U.S.

Been taking a little bit of a break but now would be a great time to start back up. I've been in the top 10 on Goko and top 20 or so on iso.

[troninho]

Nice idea!

This thread is looking a bit quiet, but if the tournament happens, I'd be happy to play for Team Finland.

[Freerk]

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I guess we won't get enough players together for a team  "Friesland" , but if there is a chance i 'd like to join the dutch or even german team too. I am flexible.

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[Qvist]

So, this idea somehow came to nothing!? Why?

I haven't read everything, but my 2 cents on this subject.
I think we need a fixed number of players in a team. Everything else makes it only confusing. I suggest 4 players per team.
But how are the teams determined?

1.) Everyone is allowed to sign in. If more than 4 players sign in for a team they have to play a single-player qualifying tournament to determine the team.

2.) Everyone is allowed to sign in. If more than 4 players sign in for a team, the 4 best players regarding to the isotropish ranking get chosen.

3.) Everyone is allowed to sign in. If more than 4 players sign in for a team, players of this country have to democratically vote for a team captain. This player then picks his 3 team mates.

[Jimmmmm]

I've only just seen this thread, but this:

I'd volunteer for Australia.  I'm not good enough for the USA team, but I think sheer lack of numbers would mean I have a shot at the Aussie team.

[Davio]

I would let the countries themselves decide how to pick the teams.
I'm picking Stef as team captain for Team Holland.

You can go with this basically, I think:
http://gokologs.drunkensailor.org/leaderboard/

A leaderboard such as this not only takes into account skill levels, but also availability as all players have played 20+ games in the last month. This is important if it comes down to arranging actual matches. If the so called best player in the world has been hiding in a shed for over a year and never has time to play anymore, well, he's of no use and will only keep things from going smoothly.

I'm also not against USA A, USA B, etc. as long as it doesn't go to Z.

[Qvist]

Hey, so now that GokoDom II is over and there's time left until DSC 2013 starts, is there still some interest to do this in between?

Here some more thoughts I had about this.

1.) Signups
Everybody can signup. When signing up, the person has to name his country and his goko username. To prevent discussion upfront, I suggest that the birth country counts not where someone lives. I think the goal should be to imitate a real World Cup. I mean there's nothing to prove, so if anyone lies and signups for - let's say - Ivory Coast, he can do so, but I think no-one here would do this and still he wouldn't be able to assemble a team so easily.

2.) Team Building
If 4 or more players have signed up for one country, this country will take part in the World Cup. They just have to elect a team. I think the general consensus is that the best ranked (on the isotropish leaderboard at a certain deadline) player of that country is the team leader and will elect the team. They get seeded based on their rank. Not elected players will be substitutes for players that drop out for some reason.

3.) Format
This is what I'm not sure about. I'm against single-elimination (*cough* DSC *cough*), but I guess some sort of elimination makes this sort of tournament more tense. So maybe double-elimination. We could also adapt the GokoDom-like approach - so Swiss and then elimination. Or - we could adapt world cups from other sports like soccer where we have a group (everyone vs. everyone) and then an elimination phase. Not sure what would be best. I guess it also depends on the number of teams we get.

4.) Matches
Each match-up should have 4 matches where the #1 player from team A plays against #2 player from team B and so on and so forth. I think the GokoDom best-of-5 variation rule for each match is the best we have so far. The team with more wins will proceed. Not sure what to do on a tie-break. Maybe the #1 match counts double!? Another possibility is (I think it's done in table tennis) that everyone plays two matches #1 vs #1, 2x #1 vs #2, #2 vs #2, #3 vs #3, 2x #3 vs #4 and #4 vs #4. That minimizes the probability of having ties and maybe provides more/longer fun.

I'm also not entirely sure about multiple teams per country. Like most people have said, it be kind of silly to have matchups like USA Team F vs. USA Team H and so on. But maybe we could add some more teams to get an "even" number of teams (I mean powers of 2, like 8, 16 or 32).

[HiveMindEmulator]

This thread is over 3 months old and many people have suggested different ideas for formats and whatnot. If someone actually wants to commit to organizing it, (s)he should make a thread with rules and sign-ups and I'm sure people will join. This discussion isn't really going anywhere, and I'm sure at least some people will be fine with whatever rules you'd like if you're willing to do the organizing.

[ashersky]

This thread is over 3 months old and many people have suggested different ideas for formats and whatnot. If someone actually wants to commit to organizing it, (s)he should make a thread with rules and sign-ups and I'm sure people will join. This discussion isn't really going anywhere, and I'm sure at least some people will be fine with whatever rules you'd like if you're willing to do the organizing.

*paging kirian*

[Awaclus]

Off topic: Apparently I should check the Tournaments and Events forum more frequently.

On topic: Yeah, I'm interested in participating.

Meta: I agree that this thread has gotten quite messy.

[Qvist]

Yeah, I agree with that HME. I just wanted to get some more feedback about the format and if someone would organize it. I may want to do it, but it wasn't my idea, not sure if the OP is still around. But before I do it, maybe someone more reliable than me and more experienced may want to do it.

[Qvist]

Ok, I asked a little bit around and a lot of people are interested. So, I will start this.
I feel a bit nervous about this as Goko behaved a little bit strange lately, but I hope we don't have any troubles.