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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Night 1!)
« Reply #375 on: July 24, 2013, 11:04:24 am »

Vote Count 2.2


UmbrageofSnow (1, u1): Nkirbit
Nkirbit (1, u1): UmbrageofSnow

Not voting (3): Jimmmm, EFHW, Ashersky.

WIth 5 players alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Deadline is at 10 pm on Thursday, July 25.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 2!)
« Reply #376 on: July 24, 2013, 11:04:44 am »

Yes, but how could scum be sure that EFHW wasn't the cop?

She claimed it, she might be just crazy enough to do it.
Or that you, nkirbit, were the cop, since I kept thinking you were who Liopoil meant we he said he thought he knew who the cop was.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 2!)
« Reply #377 on: July 24, 2013, 11:07:07 am »

Actually, it was clear nkirbit wasn't the cop because he forgot that the cop can't be protected by the doctor.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 2!)
« Reply #378 on: July 24, 2013, 11:08:47 am »

Yes, but how could scum be sure that EFHW wasn't the cop?

She claimed it, she might be just crazy enough to do it.
Or that you, nkirbit, were the cop, since I kept thinking you were who Liopoil meant we he said he thought he knew who the cop was.

Well, EFHW is quite possibly your partner.  That would be a good way to know she wasn't to cop.

Yeah, you don't know that I wasn't the cop.  But you know at the very least that Ash was suspicious of me, so I think you were hoping that I was the cop, since Ash is the one making the decision, ultimately, and he had way more stated suspicion of me than you.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 2!)
« Reply #379 on: July 24, 2013, 11:11:09 am »

Actually, it was clear nkirbit wasn't the cop because he forgot that the cop can't be protected by the doctor.

Hm, where did I say that?
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 2!)
« Reply #380 on: July 24, 2013, 11:11:45 am »

Actually, it was clear nkirbit wasn't the cop because he forgot that the cop can't be protected by the doctor.

Hm, where did I say that?

I missed this too, actually.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 2!)
« Reply #381 on: July 24, 2013, 11:15:42 am »

There are 5 players in this game.

Ashersky is Doctor, of the remaining 4, there are 2 town, 2 scum.

I'm claiming I'm Macho Cop and EFHW is VT.

If I'm scum, then nkirbit is VT.
If nkirbit is VT, that makes the one remaining town member a cop.
If you (EFHW) are not a cop (I know you are not), then that means nkirbit is lying, since there can only be one VT left in the game!
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 2!)
« Reply #382 on: July 24, 2013, 11:21:16 am »

No.

Ashersky is Doctor.
I am VT.
UoS is scum.
EFHW/Jimm are Scum/Cop.  I don't know which is which, yet, but it doesn't seem like EFHW is the cop.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 2!)
« Reply #383 on: July 24, 2013, 11:31:07 am »

Well, this is it folks. The gloves are off. The chips are down. Two face off mono a mono, and to the victor go the spoils.

I am the Cop.

I investigated EFHW last night. She is Town.

The scum team is nkirbit and UmbrageOfSnow.


I half expected a scum counterclaim, but it's pretty bold for it to happen this early.

Here's what everyone knows for sure:

nkirbit is scum.
EFHW and ash are Town.
One of me and Umbrage is the Cop. The other is nkirbit's partner. The whole game now comes down to my word against his.

We could lynch nkirbit today and come back to this tomorrow, but I really don't see the point. There's nothing more we can learn today, and it really just comes down to ash and EFHW picking correctly out of me and Umbrage.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 2!)
« Reply #384 on: July 24, 2013, 11:33:50 am »

Wow.

Ummm, I feel like an idiot for not seeing the potential for Jimmmmm to throw nkirbit under the bus.

Fuck.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 2!)
« Reply #385 on: July 24, 2013, 11:35:11 am »

Get in here, Ash!
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 2!)
« Reply #386 on: July 24, 2013, 11:44:56 am »

Well, I guess I'm done here.

Vote: EFHW  She's scum!

Bad luck, EFHW and Ashersky!

Good luck, partner!
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 2!)
« Reply #387 on: July 24, 2013, 11:46:15 am »

I actually am still curious about the cop slip EFHW thinks I made.  I just re-read it and don't see it.  Can you enlighten me, EFHW?
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 2!)
« Reply #388 on: July 24, 2013, 11:53:33 am »

I was so excited I didn't see this possibility.  This always used to happen to me at chess: get excited about a chance to win and not see the potential for it to turn into a trap.

I guess it's all down to you guys (EFHW and Ash) now.  Not sure what I can do to help you make the correct decision, worried that everything I say will push you into the wrong one.  Gah! This is tough.

Maybe you should interrogate Jimmmm and I about something?  I don't know, but I'll be around all day.  Don't mess this up guys, I was so sure I had this.  And I did, from my POV.  :-[
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 2!)
« Reply #389 on: July 24, 2013, 11:54:02 am »

Also, wouldn't scum hold onto this for later in the day, given that if we mislynch we lose, this would make it 50-50 vs. the counterclaiming cop, compared to picking 1 of 5.

I don't necessarily think so.  Keep in mind, it's not picking 1 of 5, it's picking 2 of 4, since there are two scum and Ashersky was never going to be the same.

This makes it an argument with the cop versus the counterclaiming cop.  1 in 2 is the same odds as 2 in 4.  If the scum feels he has more credibility than the cop, claiming is good.

Here, all you need to do is convince town and you win.  You claimed the two scum as the two players who EFHW had just said she was most suspicious of.  Ash had said he was suspicious of me yesterday.

For town, it's 2 out of 3 with Ash being IC.  If someone counterclaims, then the third person is definitely scum.

PPE: I see Jimmmmm is counterclaiming.  This means (from my perspective as town) that nkirbit is scum.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 2!)
« Reply #390 on: July 24, 2013, 11:56:01 am »

vote: nkirbit
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Night 1!)
« Reply #391 on: July 24, 2013, 11:57:32 am »

Vote Count 2.3



Nkirbit (2, u2): UmbrageofSnow, EFHW
EFHW (1, u1): Nkirbit
UmbrageofSnow (0, u1):


Not voting (2): Jimmmm, Ashersky

WIth 5 players alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Deadline is at 10 pm on Thursday, July 25.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #392 on: July 24, 2013, 11:59:39 am »

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3 claimed cops basically forces mafia to kill among them.  Why?  Did the real cop claim in that 3?  We don't know.
If scum don't know if the real cop is in there, how does it make them kill among the three?
I don't see how this plan works at all.  Scum know about the plan, so they can just choose to ignore the claims entirely.
In fact, scum shouldn't kill within those three, because the doctor is going to protect within those three?  Does that mean the doctor should protect outside those three?  So many layers of decisions!

@nkirbit: The bolded part looks like you are saying that the doctor would try to protect the cop.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #393 on: July 24, 2013, 12:02:18 pm »

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3 claimed cops basically forces mafia to kill among them.  Why?  Did the real cop claim in that 3?  We don't know.
If scum don't know if the real cop is in there, how does it make them kill among the three?
I don't see how this plan works at all.  Scum know about the plan, so they can just choose to ignore the claims entirely.
In fact, scum shouldn't kill within those three, because the doctor is going to protect within those three?  Does that mean the doctor should protect outside those three?  So many layers of decisions!

@nkirbit: The bolded part looks like you are saying that the doctor would try to protect the cop.

It's possible that the doctor and mafia target the same VT within that group, though.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #394 on: July 24, 2013, 12:04:41 pm »

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3 claimed cops basically forces mafia to kill among them.  Why?  Did the real cop claim in that 3?  We don't know.
If scum don't know if the real cop is in there, how does it make them kill among the three?
I don't see how this plan works at all.  Scum know about the plan, so they can just choose to ignore the claims entirely.
In fact, scum shouldn't kill within those three, because the doctor is going to protect within those three?  Does that mean the doctor should protect outside those three?  So many layers of decisions!
@nkirbit: The bolded part looks like you are saying that the doctor would try to protect the cop.
It's possible that the doctor and mafia target the same VT within that group, though.

right, but you are saying the doctor would choose to protect someone within that group, and I'm inferring you mean that the doctor would do that because they think the cop is in the group and they are hoping to protect the cop.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #395 on: July 24, 2013, 12:07:22 pm »

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3 claimed cops basically forces mafia to kill among them.  Why?  Did the real cop claim in that 3?  We don't know.
If scum don't know if the real cop is in there, how does it make them kill among the three?
I don't see how this plan works at all.  Scum know about the plan, so they can just choose to ignore the claims entirely.
In fact, scum shouldn't kill within those three, because the doctor is going to protect within those three?  Does that mean the doctor should protect outside those three?  So many layers of decisions!
@nkirbit: The bolded part looks like you are saying that the doctor would try to protect the cop.
It's possible that the doctor and mafia target the same VT within that group, though.

right, but you are saying the doctor would choose to protect someone within that group, and I'm inferring you mean that the doctor would do that because they think the cop is in the group and they are hoping to protect the cop.

Nah.  I'm saying that the cop might be in the group, so the mafia might kill there.  The doctor might protect in that group because it's possible to catch a VT who the mafia NKed cause they think they might have been a cop.  The doctor is hoping to protect a VT who the mafia misfired at.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 2!)
« Reply #396 on: July 24, 2013, 12:10:28 pm »

Unvote

If scum Jimmmm hammers nkirbit, it gives him the chance to NK one or the other of you to reduce dialogue and therefore reasoning.

I'll put my vote on either nkirbit or Jimmm as Ash and EFHW dictate, but not until we talk this through.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 2!)
« Reply #397 on: July 24, 2013, 12:10:47 pm »

Get in here, Ash!

I think it's like 4 am in Australia right now.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 2!)
« Reply #398 on: July 24, 2013, 12:11:44 pm »

Unvote

If scum Jimmmm hammers nkirbit, it gives him the chance to NK one or the other of you to reduce dialogue and therefore reasoning.

I'll put my vote on either nkirbit or Jimmm as Ash and EFHW dictate, but not until we talk this through.

I was coming around to the same idea, just more slowly.  Unvote
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 2!)
« Reply #399 on: July 24, 2013, 12:12:43 pm »

Jimmmmm and UoS, what were your thoughts leading you to not claim/claim cop at the beginning of the game?
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