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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #300 on: July 23, 2013, 09:43:20 pm »

Also, everyone needs to do one of these lists right now, before the day ends.

I prefer to have more time to carefully consider a list like this, but I understand the desire to have some known-town reads from whomever gets night-killed.  So here's my list at the moment.  Ugh, I hate doing these things by gut...

Definitely Scum
No one, how can we be sure on Day 1?

Probably Scum
Liopoil

Scum-ish Null
Jimmmm
Nkirbit

Town-ish Null
EFHW (I'm not even sure if I'm putting her here to annoy Liopoil or not.)
Sudgy (I'm still processing his L-1 derp.  I thought it was scummy, now I'm thinking it's more towny, but scum could screw up too.  You're a tough one to read Sudgy, but in this moment, I'm leaning town.)

Probably Town
No one, I can't trust any of you!

Definitely town
Ashersky
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #301 on: July 23, 2013, 09:45:10 pm »

I also don't agree with Ash about Lio's post saying "we're in horrible shape" is scummy.  I think we are in worse shape, because we have an outed PR!  Disgreeing with someone about theory, which I think is basically what happened there, isn't a good reason to find the other player scummy.  It's a null for me.

The scummiest thing I have seen between EFHW and Lio was EFHW's voting of Lio for his exaggeration, which I've said previously is a bad case, and I still think is a bad case.  Given this,

Vote: EFHW
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #302 on: July 23, 2013, 09:45:53 pm »

Another point to remember, folks:

For town, since you know I'm town, it narrows your list of possible scum by one.  It doesn't do that for me, so my reads are necessarily slightly disadvantaged. 

Just remove yourself and me from the list (which you are doing), focusing on that can help.

Also, when I was IC (via mason) in a previous blitz game, my reads sucked.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #303 on: July 23, 2013, 09:45:58 pm »

Okay. I think the argument against liopoil for exaggerating has merit. He has a relatively high post count, but as I've mentioned the majority of that is talking about theory and what's pro-Town. He had given some reads more recently, but I don't really buy into his case on EFHW. Lurking, maybe. But first to claim Cop doesn't mean anything, I think, and I didn't think her reasons for suspecting liopoil or sudgy were terribly terrible.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #304 on: July 23, 2013, 09:46:43 pm »

I also don't agree with Ash about Lio's post saying "we're in horrible shape" is scummy.  I think we are in worse shape, because we have an outed PR!  Disgreeing with someone about theory, which I think is basically what happened there, isn't a good reason to find the other player scummy.  It's a null for me.

The scummiest thing I have seen between EFHW and Lio was EFHW's voting of Lio for his exaggeration, which I've said previously is a bad case, and I still think is a bad case.  Given this,

Vote: EFHW

Disagreeing about theory wasn't my point.  Misleading town into thinking we were doomed is.  I think scum do that as a sort of psychological warfare.  It works, and can get town panicky.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #305 on: July 23, 2013, 09:48:14 pm »

Official vote count please?

And can we get them every few minutes until deadline?


We're 13 minutes away...
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #306 on: July 23, 2013, 09:48:19 pm »

Vote Count 1.7


EFHW (3, u3): Liopoil, Sudgy, Nkirbit
Liopoil (2, u2): UmbrageofSnow, Ashersky
Sudgy (1, u2): EFHW
ashersky (0, u3)
nkirbit (0, u1):
UmbrageofSnow (0, u1):

Not voting (1): Jimmmm

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 to lynch
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #307 on: July 23, 2013, 09:48:45 pm »

Vote counts will be provided every time a vote changes from here on out.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #308 on: July 23, 2013, 09:49:08 pm »

By the way, if EFHW is scum, she could be playing differently here than in RMM6 because she wasn't that suspected in that game.

I don't think lio is scum, but not a townread either.

I obviously think EFHW is the best lynch for today, see my and lio's reasons earlier for that.

Towny=ashersky>TownyNull=Liopoil>Null=Jimmmmm/Nkirbit/Umbrage>Scummy=EFHW
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   Quote from: sudgy on June 31, 2011, 11:47:46 pm

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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #309 on: July 23, 2013, 09:49:18 pm »

Nkirbit gets major scum points for putting someone at L-1 without a warning.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #310 on: July 23, 2013, 09:49:51 pm »

EFHW should vote liopoil anyway, if she is town.  Saving yourself is important.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #311 on: July 23, 2013, 09:50:05 pm »

Ugh, looks like it's up to me. Still leaning lio but will have another read of efhw. I'll be quick.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #312 on: July 23, 2013, 09:50:35 pm »

Comes down to Jimmmmm's reads.

Anyone want to lynch someone other than those two right now?  We have ten minutes and we're all here.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #313 on: July 23, 2013, 09:50:43 pm »

Ugh, looks like it's up to me. Still leaning lio but will have another read of efhw. I'll be quick.

We have ten minutes!  Hurry up!
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #314 on: July 23, 2013, 09:51:04 pm »

I won't vote EFHW, but would vote sudgy.  Anyone prefer that?
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #315 on: July 23, 2013, 09:51:24 pm »

Comes down to Jimmmmm's reads.

Anyone want to lynch someone other than those two right now?  We have ten minutes and we're all here.

I might not be here for it all, depends on how fast the rest of my family eats dinner (remember that it's 6:50 here).
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #316 on: July 23, 2013, 09:51:35 pm »

I won't vote EFHW, but would vote sudgy.  Anyone prefer that?

No.  ;)
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« Reply #317 on: July 23, 2013, 09:52:20 pm »

Scum to Town:

EFHW > Sudgy > Jimm > Lio > UoS > Ashersky > Nkirbit.

EFHW for what I just voted for.  Not a great case, but I think it's the best we have now.

Sudgy, because I still think his actions were anti-town.  True, he acted in a way that's consistent with town, but I think scum can do that as well, to look towny!  He got his claim and looked towny, perfect scum manuveur, or sloppy town?  I don't know.  Plus, I still don't like him calling out me for not unvoting Ash when I was simply sleeping overnight.  I think it's an easy way to get a wagon going on a player without needing a good reason.  Consistent lurking is hurtful and anti-town, but what he accused me was wasn't consistent lurking.. it was lurking for a specific period of time.


Jimm:  Pretty null, slight scum for lurking.  He's been pretty consistently lurking his way through the game

Lio:  While the same anti-town argument applies to him in that he should've been more careful to unvote Ash, I don't think the case against him is good, especially EFHW's case.

UoS:  Generally pro town work.  I disagree with his case on Lio, but don't find him scummy the way I did find EFHW, because the change of tone he picked up on was there.. I just disagree with his conclusion.

Ash:  Claimed doctor with no counter claim.. almost certainly the real doctor.

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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #318 on: July 23, 2013, 09:52:35 pm »

EFHW is scum guys... Jimmmm, anything you want me to addresss?
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #319 on: July 23, 2013, 09:52:42 pm »

Comes down to Jimmmmm's reads.

Anyone want to lynch someone other than those two right now?  We have ten minutes and we're all here.

I hate to make a decision on the fly like that.  If someone that wouldn't vote Liopoil and was uncomfortable with EFHW wanted to vote nkirbit, I'd hammer that, but I don't think we really have the time at this point do we?
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #320 on: July 23, 2013, 09:53:38 pm »

Okay, EFHW has a low post count, and I don't have a particular Town read on her, but I think there more pointing to liopoil being scum.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #321 on: July 23, 2013, 09:53:49 pm »

Comes down to Jimmmmm's reads.

Anyone want to lynch someone other than those two right now?  We have ten minutes and we're all here.

I hate to make a decision on the fly like that.  If someone that wouldn't vote Liopoil and was uncomfortable with EFHW wanted to vote nkirbit, I'd hammer that, but I don't think we really have the time at this point do we?

It's been done in the past.  nkirbit could get done, depends on what others think.

Where's EFHW all of a sudden?  She's not even here to save herself.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #322 on: July 23, 2013, 09:54:23 pm »

Okay, EFHW has a low post count, and I don't have a particular Town read on her, but I think there more pointing to liopoil being scum.

If you vote liopoil now, it forces a No Lynch tie.  That's probably bad.
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« Reply #323 on: July 23, 2013, 09:54:33 pm »

Okay, EFHW has a low post count, and I don't have a particular Town read on her, but I think there more pointing to liopoil being scum.
like what? I mean, can I defend myself??
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #324 on: July 23, 2013, 09:54:40 pm »

Nkirbit, remember that my scum philosophy is to psyche myself into thinking I'm town.  I try to play exactly the same as each.
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