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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #250 on: July 23, 2013, 08:50:03 pm »

Ashersky has said he'd vote for sudgy, and I'm willing to switch to liopoil if needed, so I guess we need to hear from Jimmmmm, unless nkirbit or UoS decide to switch to someone else.

Jimmmmm seemed okay with the new deadline, so I expect he'll be here.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #251 on: July 23, 2013, 08:51:02 pm »

If we are wrong on lio/sudgy, it is in scum's best interest to lurk their way to the deadline.  So slight FoS on nkirbit/Jimmmmm, given activity and/or previous statements on availability/deadline movement.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #252 on: July 23, 2013, 08:51:07 pm »

Well I think I'd probably be willing to switch to Sudgy.  I thought he was a bit scummy earlier, then I got to questioning it.  I'm rereading the thread now, I'll give you a final opinion when I'm done, but I don't think you should rule me out as a potential Sudgy vote by any means.

I'm unlikely to vote for my bestest bestest buddy EFHW.  (I only just found out EFHW was a girl, but I'm still picturing her with a moustache.  A big curly moustache.)

(No, I'm not saying I have a townread on EFHW, I'd say it's a null read right now, but it certainly isn't a scum read, so I'm not comfortable putting a vote there.)
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #253 on: July 23, 2013, 08:51:48 pm »

We still have like an hour and 8 minutes, right?
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #254 on: July 23, 2013, 08:59:28 pm »

I'm here!
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #255 on: July 23, 2013, 08:59:56 pm »

I'm here!
wanna vote? preferably for EFHW?
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #256 on: July 23, 2013, 09:00:40 pm »

vote count??
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #257 on: July 23, 2013, 09:09:59 pm »

Vote Count 1.efhw

ashersky (0, u3):
nkirbit (0, u1):
UmbrageofSnow (0, u1):
Liopoil (2, u2): UmbrageofSnow, ashersky
sudgy (2, u2): nkirbit, EFHW
EFHW (2, u2): liopoil, sudgy

Not voting (1): Jimmmm

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 to lynch

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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #258 on: July 23, 2013, 09:10:52 pm »

TA and I are on the way home.. We're out later than we expected. Will be home in about 15 minutes. Catching up on my phone now.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #259 on: July 23, 2013, 09:13:32 pm »

TA and I are on the way home.. We're out later than we expected. Will be home in about 15 minutes. Catching up on my phone now.
okay. that explains my seeing your activity on your profile. all good!
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #260 on: July 23, 2013, 09:14:55 pm »

I don't buy your reasoning, Lio.  Scum should be more careful than sudgy was, but we have use this reasoning to make towny reads again and again. I think the chance of forcing a claim is well worth it, knowing that everyone will say, "oh, if he were sc he wouldn't be so careless."  We always say that!
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #261 on: July 23, 2013, 09:15:31 pm »

I don't buy your reasoning, Lio.  Scum should be more careful than sudgy was, but we have use this reasoning to make towny reads again and again. I think the chance of forcing a claim is well worth it, knowing that everyone will say, "oh, if he were sc he wouldn't be so careless."  We always say that!
but he unvoted BEFORE the claim!!!!
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #262 on: July 23, 2013, 09:16:22 pm »

Well, that's a good point.  If he wanted a claim, he would t have unvoted.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #263 on: July 23, 2013, 09:17:09 pm »

Well, that's true. If he was role fishing he wouldn't have unvoted
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #264 on: July 23, 2013, 09:17:26 pm »

exactly!! that's why I think it isn't scummy, and actually read it as towny because scum would realize that they were putting ash at L-1.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #265 on: July 23, 2013, 09:18:16 pm »

Thought my message poofed. Posting from a phone is weird

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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #266 on: July 23, 2013, 09:19:02 pm »

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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #267 on: July 23, 2013, 09:20:19 pm »

40 minutes, people. Jimmm, caught up yet?
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #268 on: July 23, 2013, 09:22:31 pm »

Back on a computer.  Sorry, was out playing board games longer than I expected.

 So the wagons right now are EFHW and Lio, since I agree with Lio that Sudgy is a bad lynch.  I will review both of those cases quickly.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #269 on: July 23, 2013, 09:24:34 pm »

Vote Count 1.6


Liopoil (2, u2): UmbrageofSnow, Ashersky
EFHW (2, u2): Liopoil, Sudgy
Sudgy (1, u2): EFHW
ashersky (0, u3)
nkirbit (0, u1):
UmbrageofSnow (0, u1):

Not voting (2): Jimmmm, Nkirbit

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 to lynch
Deadline is 10 pm forum time on Tuesday, July 23rd
« Last Edit: July 23, 2013, 09:25:53 pm by Twistedarcher »
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #270 on: July 23, 2013, 09:24:56 pm »

I expect now that a sudgy lynch does not look like it is going to happen, EFHW will move her vote to me.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #271 on: July 23, 2013, 09:25:01 pm »

Also, his vote put me at L-2, which is awful dangerous in a 7-player blitz game.  But he didn't note it or take in into consideration.

I don't think it's dangerous.  If scum want to quickhammer you, I'd be ecstatic.  L-1 is the dangerous point, since we have only two scum.
Rereading, I don't get this.  Why does having 2 scum make L-1 more dangerous?  And isn't it always the most dangerous?  Are you saying L-2 isn't dangerous?  With 2 scum, it is.

I'm saying that the only way L-2 turns out poorly is if both of the scum quickhammer town.  And doing so would reveal their scumminess.. if we can sacrifice a town member today to nail both the scum, that's a fantastic trade.

L-1 is dangerous because one scum can hammer without outing their partner.

I guess L-2 is dangerous in that it allowed Sudgy to vote Ash to L-1, but I think the responsibility to make sure you're not putting a player to L-1 has to rest with Sudgy there.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #272 on: July 23, 2013, 09:25:56 pm »

I'm definitely not excited about the Sudgy case.  I think I have enough uncertainty that if it were that or a no lynch, I'd be willing to switch to Sudgy to avoid a no-lynch, but the fact that he switched of Ash before he claimed does buy him a fair bit of slack for that vote.

Liopoil is still my prefered lynch.  I don't like the case on EFHW such as it is.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #273 on: July 23, 2013, 09:28:03 pm »

Oh, a vote moved off Sudgy while I was rereading.  Well in that case, I vote we move away from lynching Sudgy altogether.
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Re: ZM15: Time for Something Completely Different (Day 1!)
« Reply #274 on: July 23, 2013, 09:30:10 pm »

why I think we should lynch EFHW today:

-lurking. I'm pretty sure she's still the lowest on the post count
-first to claim cop, encouraging others to do so too and so rolefishing.
-terrible reason for suspecting me:
Right now my tentative scumread is Liopoil, because he hasn't unvoted or voted everyone else, like he said he would, and for the bit of hyperbole in his first post.  Having a cop is great, but having one that can't be protected isn't super-awesome.

our cop is super-awesome. they should investigate scum and report back so we can win and stuff.

Also, scum got to talk during the confirmation stage.  It would be good strategy to put a couple votes on some players when it was easy and then say "whoops!".
uuhhh what? no hyperbole from me. Our cop is super-awesome. being macho is not much of a nerf. it nerfs the doctor more really. Consider him just like a cop in a game with no protective roles. still awesome. If he could be protected than the cop would be super-OP.
-terrible reasons for suspecting sudgy:
I'm finding sudgy scummier, actually, for declining the balance unique votes plan, putting Ash at L-1, and getting on the "UoS is tunneling" wagon. 
declining the balance unique votes plan was the correct move, as it was a bad plan, as shown by sudgy. I showed in my other post why I think he's town for putting ash at L-1, and why in the world is finding UoS suspicious scummy?

Vote: EFHW

How does being the first to claim cop amount to rolefishing?  None of those claims at that point in the game should be taken seriously... Can you explain how explaining others to be the second or third cop amounts to rolefishing?  It just looks like it amounts to following the plan, to me.
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