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Edgecasing
« on: June 30, 2013, 05:32:30 pm »
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The Kingdom is Band Of Misfits and 9 other cards of your choosing. You end your turn with exactly $5. Name a situation when you'd buy a card costing $4 or less over the BoM.


The one that immediately comes to mind is Treasure Map. There's probably tons more, but I want to see how elaborate people can get.
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Re: Edgecasing
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2013, 05:34:50 pm »
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The obvious answer, since you didn't specify, is that the $4 card isn't an action.

Also, if the $4 card will likely run out and therefore could no longer be immitated by BoM.

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Re: Edgecasing
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2013, 05:42:28 pm »
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You played a Cartograph this turn and know that your top cards are 3 Provinces and 2 Gold. You would probably buy Nomad Camp here over BoF.
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Re: Edgecasing
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2013, 05:44:28 pm »
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  • Not an action
  • Reaction
  • On buy/gain effect
  • The desired action may run out
  • To run out a pile
  • Talisman is in play
  • You have a spare buy and don't want to spend all $5 on one card

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  • You are playing a Highway deck, and BoM will often be a dead card
  • Standard variety reasons:  Fairgrounds, Horn of Plenty, etc.
  • Island or Great Hall
  • On trash effect

« Last Edit: June 30, 2013, 05:49:18 pm by SirPeebles »
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Re: Edgecasing
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2013, 07:15:40 pm »
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All the other cards cost $6+.  You buy silver.
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Re: Edgecasing
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2013, 07:51:37 pm »
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You want to overpay for a card.

Edit: I see SirPeebles kind of covered this, allready. Then: Your opponents play Swindler like mad and there's only one 4$. You want to set up a cheap two-card combo. The game is near end and Duchies are out. You just hate Band of Misfits.
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Re: Edgecasing
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2013, 08:10:14 pm »
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To not run out the Band of Misfits pile.
You prefer a low cost treasure or victory card over any action.
You are buying a cheap peddler.
You may want a sage to skip over this card and find something better.
To increase the value of a trade route.
To activate cities.
Your right hand opponent has possession and you'd rather not give any card play options.
Your opponents can play many jesters/smugglers/rogues/etc to gain copies of your cards and you'd rather not offer BoM.
Four cost cards may be safer against swindlers than 5 cost cards.
You will play procession/develop on the bought card later and need cards at specific costs.
Your opponent has governors and you want to option to trash a 4 cost card for a duchy.
Your opponent is a Goko bot and you want to pass it some rats with a masquerade or ambassador.
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Re: Edgecasing
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2013, 09:12:26 pm »
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You will play procession/develop on the bought card later and need cards at specific costs.
Your opponent has governors and you want to option to trash a 4 cost card for a duchy.
Your opponent is a Goko bot and you want to pass it some rats with a masquerade or ambassador.

Along the lines of the first two in the quote, other trashers based on cost may be better with a $4 than a $5.  For example, a specific Upgrade or Remake strategy, or Forge.

That last one -- why would you want to do that?  Then the game takes forever...
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Re: Edgecasing
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2013, 09:21:31 pm »
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That last one -- why would you want to do that?  Then the game takes forever...

Not if there are already 2 empty piles.
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Re: Edgecasing
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2013, 10:56:33 pm »
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Band of Misfits has been embargoed, and you don't want to gain a curse.

Or the $4 card has been embargoed and you do want to gain a curse.
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Re: Edgecasing
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2013, 11:05:44 pm »
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Ooh, Embargo is a nice one.  Similarly, you might have played Contraband and BoM was proscribed.
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Re: Edgecasing
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2013, 11:11:17 pm »
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You buy a Feast instead of a BoM with $5.
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Re: Edgecasing
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2013, 11:11:50 pm »
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You misclicked.
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Re: Edgecasing
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2013, 05:37:19 am »
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You played a Cartograph this turn and know that your top cards are 3 Provinces and 2 Gold. You would probably buy Nomad Camp here over BoF.
Why wouldn't you discard the Provinces?
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Re: Edgecasing
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2013, 05:52:22 am »
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You played a Cartograph this turn and know that your top cards are 3 Provinces and 2 Gold. You would probably buy Nomad Camp here over BoF.
Why wouldn't you discard the Provinces?
You don't want to trigger a reshuffle next turn, because those Golds are the only source of money in your deck.
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Re: Edgecasing
« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2013, 06:32:09 am »
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You played a Cartograph this turn and know that your top cards are 3 Provinces and 2 Gold. You would probably buy Nomad Camp here over BoF.
Why wouldn't you discard the Provinces?
You don't want to trigger a reshuffle next turn, because those Golds are the only source of money in your deck.
Just use Navigator instead, Cartographer only reveals 4.
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Re: Edgecasing
« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2013, 06:49:25 am »
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If they're the last 5 cards in your deck then you don't need to play anything to know what they are...

If you have two Golds as your only source of money, how did you buy three Provinces? More importantly, why would you build that deck?
« Last Edit: July 01, 2013, 06:50:54 am by Warfreak2 »
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Re: Edgecasing
« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2013, 07:30:54 am »
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If you have two Golds as your only source of money, how did you buy three Provinces? More importantly, why would you build that deck?
1) Possession. You would build that deck because there is support for it, but now your opponent has greened heavily in response to your Possession and it's not likely that you can buy another Province with his deck anymore.
2) Maybe you remodeled your other Golds to get those Provinces. You would build that deck because having five Golds and a Remodel isn't really a bad deck.
3) Your other sources of money got trashed by a trashing attack. You wouldn't want to build that deck, but in this case, you don't have a choice.
4) Your opponent Swindled your Peddlers into Provinces. You would build that deck because there is nonterminal +buy and because you know that Peddler is good against Swindler.
5) You used Spoils to buy those Provinces, but now your opponent has the entire Spoils pile in his deck. You would build that deck because Marauder and Bandit Camp are pretty good cards.
6) You were forced to Masquerade away your other sources of money. Again, you wouldn't want to build that deck, but you can't choose otherwise.
7) Your opponent was forced to Masquerade away his Provinces. You would build this deck, because Masquerade is so good!!!
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Re: Edgecasing
« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2013, 12:22:13 pm »
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If they're the last 5 cards in your deck then you don't need to play anything to know what they are...

If you have two Golds as your only source of money, how did you buy three Provinces? More importantly, why would you build that deck?

You may know what cards are in your deck, but not their order.
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Re: Edgecasing
« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2013, 01:27:28 pm »
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How would you trigger a reshuffle with a hand of two Golds and three Provinces, in a way that the Nomad Camp would prevent?
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Re: Edgecasing
« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2013, 01:55:45 pm »
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How would you trigger a reshuffle with a hand of two Golds and three Provinces, in a way that the Nomad Camp would prevent?

Not quite the same, but say the last four cards were 2 Gold and 2 Provinces (you know from Cartographer).  Nomad Camp would keep the reshuffle from happening, whereas without it you would reshuffle (and draw that third Province maybe), losing the 2 Gold for a shuffle.
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Re: Edgecasing
« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2013, 02:54:29 pm »
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To go back to the original question:

You want Sir Martin as a source of buys and a defense against other knights; Band of Misfits will just get trashed if a knight reveals it, but Sir Martin will take the other guy out with him. For extra credit, play Talisman first, and reveal Trader for Silver the first time.

You're currently winning the split for some key engine card (say villages) but your opponent has more Band of Misfits; if you can empty that pile, their engine will collapse.

You're afraid that your opponent will empty the pile, so you want to get your share of that card before your BoM-fueled engine collapses.

You need dual-type cards for your Ironmonger (or Scout!) to trigger on; Band of Misfits won't help for these.

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Re: Edgecasing
« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2013, 03:35:41 pm »
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Two other edge cases:
1. Your opponent is using Princess & and a Knight (say from the Bm deck) to kill Provinces, you've swapped from a Province/Tournament deck (after buying 5 provinces) to a Vineyard deck. Bom is at risk, a 4 is not.
2. You will most likely gain the last Bom for free anyways. E.g. You have an Opost turn coming with a stack of Alchemists, you plan to Procession a 4 during that turn (e.g. Bishop) and gain the Bom anyways. Without leaving the Bom you'd just get a dead Opost.
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