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Destierro

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Coin tokens and Possession.
« on: June 27, 2013, 01:31:22 am »
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So, can the player who is possessing use their opponents coin tokens? Do they go away?
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Re: Coin tokens and Possession.
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2013, 01:39:21 am »
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Yep. You can waste them all! It's pretty nasty.
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Re: Coin tokens and Possession.
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2013, 02:15:58 am »
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You can spend them even if you don't use the money for anything! Very wasteful. When Possession is around, you better use up your coin tokens as soon as you get them!
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Re: Coin tokens and Possession.
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2013, 03:31:50 am »
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You can spend them even if you don't use the money for anything! Very wasteful. When Possession is around, you better use up your coin tokens as soon as you get them!
I think you'd better off not getting them, or, at least, not spending them. But if you only spend them immeditaly, there are usually better cards available. Sort of like ignoring Ambassador or Masquerade (insert edgecase here).
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Re: Coin tokens and Possession.
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2013, 04:27:22 am »
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That is only true if, for example, Market exists on every board that has Baker.
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Re: Coin tokens and Possession.
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2013, 04:32:06 am »
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Candlestick Maker especially - it's a nonterminal +Buy, there could be plenty of reasons to get that even if you're not using it to save up tokens.
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Re: Coin tokens and Possession.
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2013, 05:55:23 am »
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By the same reckoning, though, if I'm being possessed and made to play Baker and not spend the coin on my possessed turn, it's mine to do with as I please on my non-possessed turn.
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Re: Coin tokens and Possession.
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2013, 06:15:22 am »
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that shouldn't happen with a competent opponent though.
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Re: Coin tokens and Possession.
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2013, 06:39:13 am »
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Like Apprentice/Salvager/etc., coin token producers are actually better for your opponent to use while possessing you, than for you to use on your normal turns, because your opponent can save coin tokens for the next turn, when they have multiple Possession turns lined up. That's another reason to avoid them when Possession is on the board.
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Re: Coin tokens and Possession.
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2013, 06:48:31 am »
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I don't think it's that bad. Your opponent likely won't play a possession every turn, and sometimes you can be pretty sure he won't in the next turn. then you can save your tokens.
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Re: Coin tokens and Possession.
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2013, 07:32:30 am »
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This reminds me of my first Alchemy game, where i stocked up on Alchemists, just to see them all discarded by Possession. Needless to say i was furious and lost the game...

I think with the tokens it's a bit like with Durations. Most Durations are rather weak the turn you play them, and cards that give Coin Token are best used if you can stock up the tokens.
So both times Possession hits you harder when your Tokens/Durations are ready than when the cards are in your hand. It hits much worse with the tokens, but then again it's easier to avoid it by simply spending them. I'd probably use them up every time unless my right opponent just played his only Possession, but if i know he likes to draw his deck or get many Possessions, i'd rather not rely on the tokens at all.
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Re: Coin tokens and Possession.
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2013, 11:55:38 pm »
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You can spend them even if you don't use the money for anything! Very wasteful. When Possession is around, you better use up your coin tokens as soon as you get them!
I think you'd better off not getting them, or, at least, not spending them. But if you only spend them immeditaly, there are usually better cards available. Sort of like ignoring Ambassador or Masquerade (insert edgecase here).

The thing is though that coin tokens are one of the easiest/most straightforward ways to guarantee a $6P turn. Ignoring coin token producers might well mean waiting an additional shuffle or two for your Possession, I would think.
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Re: Coin tokens and Possession.
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2013, 01:36:54 pm »
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I don't think it's that bad. Your opponent likely won't play a possession every turn, and sometimes you can be pretty sure he won't in the next turn. then you can save your tokens.

If you're not playing at least one Possession every turn, you probably shouldn't have bought Possession.
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Re: Coin tokens and Possession.
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2013, 02:20:56 pm »
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There are many times when an opponent buys possession when they really shouldn't have bought possession. Just because it's suboptimal doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
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Re: Coin tokens and Possession.
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2013, 02:33:08 pm »
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Also I disagree. For example stopping your opponent from stockpiling coin tokens is probably worth it, even if you can't possess your opponet every turn.
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Re: Coin tokens and Possession.
« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2013, 04:07:11 pm »
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Also I disagree. For example stopping your opponent from stockpiling coin tokens is probably worth it, even if you can't possess your opponet every turn.

Decks that stockpile coin tokens are naturally going to appear far more often on the exact same boards that allow multi-Possession.
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