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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #175 on: November 25, 2013, 05:00:50 pm »
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After a manic effort to finish Season 7 Part 2 before Saturday, I very much enjoyed the anniversary special. What I'd like to know is how much time is meant to have passed between the newly revealed Doctor 9 Hurt and us seeing him as Doctor 10 Ecclestone. Though interesting they are saying it's all Bad Wolf doing a super sort out...

He's shown to be very young after 8 regenerates into him in the special "Night of the Doctor," so it's been many years (based on how long real-world Hurt aged, at least 30 years, but Time Lords don't age nearly as fast as humans, so it could be hundreds).
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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #176 on: November 25, 2013, 11:47:31 pm »
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So.... Are we changing the numbering of New Who Doctors now? Or is John Hurt 8.5? Everything is confusing.

But also, everything is wonderful. I thought the 50th was four zillion kinds of amazing.
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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #177 on: November 26, 2013, 12:38:58 am »
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So.... Are we changing the numbering of New Who Doctors now? Or is John Hurt 8.5? Everything is confusing.

But also, everything is wonderful. I thought the 50th was four zillion kinds of amazing.
Everyone seems to be sticking to the existing numbering, with John Hurt being 8.5, or "The War Doctor", or otherwise "the one that doesn't count".

And yes, it was amazing. It had issues, but there was so much awesome to compensate.
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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #178 on: November 26, 2013, 12:50:09 am »
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Also, a thought... is John Hurt's Doctor the thing that was in Eleven's room in The God Complex?
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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #179 on: November 26, 2013, 02:26:00 am »
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Also, a thought... is John Hurt's Doctor the thing that was in Eleven's room in The God Complex?

Presumably. But that was clearly written so that anything could be the answer, or retconned to be the answer.
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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #180 on: November 26, 2013, 06:09:48 am »
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John Hurt's doctor doesn't call himself so, that's why he's not included in the Doctor numerals. Also, it's more practical than retroactively naming Eccleston Ten, Tennant Eleven and Smith Twelve.
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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #181 on: November 26, 2013, 07:39:28 am »
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He doesn't at the start but he does by the end...

Has anyone see Galz since Saturday? I wonder if he has exploded out of joy...
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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #182 on: November 26, 2013, 07:51:37 am »
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He doesn't at the start but he does by the end...

Has anyone see Galz since Saturday? I wonder if he has exploded out of joy...

But he doesn't remember when he goes back to his own time stream. That was the key to making it all work out reasonably in the end. The Doctor will think that he destroyed the planet (so nothing about the future changes) until he becomes the 11th when in fact he realizes there is a chance the planet is saved.
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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #183 on: November 26, 2013, 05:11:08 pm »
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John Hurt's doctor doesn't call himself so, that's why he's not included in the Doctor numerals. Also, it's more practical than retroactively naming Eccleston Ten, Tennant Eleven and Smith Twelve.

John Hurt isn't a "Doctor" in the numerical sense because he wasn't a regeneration. Paul Mcgann died in the spaceship crash during Night of the Doctor. Had he regenerated right then, it (presumably) would've been into Ecclestone (Or rather, the Eighth would've regenerated into the Ninth). However, his body was suspended in death, prior to regenerating, so that he could become the Warrior. At the conclusion of Day of the Doctor, John Hurt proceeded to regenerate because the need of a Warrior was no more, and thus his Eighth incarnation was finally "allowed" to regenerate.
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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #184 on: November 26, 2013, 05:17:02 pm »
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John Hurt's doctor doesn't call himself so, that's why he's not included in the Doctor numerals. Also, it's more practical than retroactively naming Eccleston Ten, Tennant Eleven and Smith Twelve.

John Hurt isn't a "Doctor" in the numerical sense because he wasn't a regeneration. Paul Mcgann died in the spaceship crash during Night of the Doctor. Had he regenerated right then, it (presumably) would've been into Ecclestone (Or rather, the Eighth would've regenerated into the Ninth). However, his body was suspended in death, prior to regenerating, so that he could become the Warrior. At the conclusion of Day of the Doctor, John Hurt proceeded to regenerate because the need of a Warrior was no more, and thus his Eighth incarnation was finally "allowed" to regenerate.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I have seen this stated elsewhere and I have no idea why people think it! That is not implied at all by "Night of the Doctor". The Sisterhood simply offered control over the regeneration beyond what he normally has - it was still clearly a regeneration, and referred to as such. Moffat has made it extremely clear in interviews that Hurt is a full regeneration and while I guess your interpretation is not contradicted by the events on screen it seems 100% against the obvious meaning of things. I'm also 99% certain we'll get a clarification on this at Christmas.
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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #185 on: November 26, 2013, 06:53:56 pm »
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John Hurt's doctor doesn't call himself so, that's why he's not included in the Doctor numerals. Also, it's more practical than retroactively naming Eccleston Ten, Tennant Eleven and Smith Twelve.

John Hurt isn't a "Doctor" in the numerical sense because he wasn't a regeneration. Paul Mcgann died in the spaceship crash during Night of the Doctor. Had he regenerated right then, it (presumably) would've been into Ecclestone (Or rather, the Eighth would've regenerated into the Ninth). However, his body was suspended in death, prior to regenerating, so that he could become the Warrior. At the conclusion of Day of the Doctor, John Hurt proceeded to regenerate because the need of a Warrior was no more, and thus his Eighth incarnation was finally "allowed" to regenerate.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I have seen this stated elsewhere and I have no idea why people think it! That is not implied at all by "Night of the Doctor". The Sisterhood simply offered control over the regeneration beyond what he normally has - it was still clearly a regeneration, and referred to as such. Moffat has made it extremely clear in interviews that Hurt is a full regeneration and while I guess your interpretation is not contradicted by the events on screen it seems 100% against the obvious meaning of things. I'm also 99% certain we'll get a clarification on this at Christmas.

I assume that they'll have a big thing with Capaldi, possibly finding Gallifrey, and getting extra regens, probably at the end of *his* run, but I doubt they'll waste that before. I assume Christmas is going to have The Silence, the big "Dr. WHO" question, Transillor, and some battle where he dies but then of course gets out of it somehow.
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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #186 on: November 26, 2013, 07:42:58 pm »
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I assume that they'll have a big thing with Capaldi, possibly finding Gallifrey, and getting extra regens, probably at the end of *his* run, but I doubt they'll waste that before. I assume Christmas is going to have The Silence, the big "Dr. WHO" question, Transillor, and some battle where he dies but then of course gets out of it somehow.

So basically it's going to be horrible ? Great.
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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #187 on: November 26, 2013, 07:55:06 pm »
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You would think Moffat would be a little more creative with these titles...:

The Name of the Doctor
The Night of the Doctor
The Day of the Doctor
The Time of the Doctor
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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #188 on: November 26, 2013, 09:07:47 pm »
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You would think Moffat would be a little more creative with these titles...:

The Name of the Doctor
The Night of the Doctor
The Day of the Doctor
The Time of the Doctor


The Twilight of the Doctor
The Lazy Saturday Afternoon of the Doctor
The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Doctor
The Space of the Doctor
The Thing the Doctor Only Talks About to His Doctor
The Relative Incomprehensibility of the Doctor
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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #189 on: November 26, 2013, 09:38:54 pm »
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You would think Moffat would be a little more creative with these titles...:

The Name of the Doctor
The Night of the Doctor
The Day of the Doctor
The Time of the Doctor


The Twilight of the Doctor
The Lazy Saturday Afternoon of the Doctor
The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Doctor
The Space of the Doctor
The Thing the Doctor Only Talks About to His Doctor
The Relative Incomprehensibility of the Doctor


You forgot The Dimension of the Doctor.
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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #190 on: November 27, 2013, 07:32:24 am »
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The Doctor of the Doctor?
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« Reply #191 on: November 27, 2013, 05:11:15 pm »
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The Doctor of the Doctor?
The Doctor of the Doctor of the Give Me the News of the I've Got a Bad Case of Loving You.
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« Reply #192 on: November 27, 2013, 05:47:06 pm »
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Doctor doctor doctor beat...
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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #193 on: December 09, 2013, 07:50:48 am »
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I assume that they'll have a big thing with Capaldi, possibly finding Gallifrey, and getting extra regens, probably at the end of *his* run, but I doubt they'll waste that before. I assume Christmas is going to have The Silence, the big "Dr. WHO" question, Transillor, and some battle where he dies but then of course gets out of it somehow.

So basically it's going to be horrible ? Great.


According to the image it will feature both The Silence and Cybermen.
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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #194 on: December 09, 2013, 07:56:25 am »
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Guarantee it will involve the Daleks as well...
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« Reply #195 on: December 09, 2013, 10:48:38 am »
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Guarantee it will involve the Daleks as well...

And the Weeping Angels. You can see all four in the short clips of DW found in the BBC's holiday trailer.
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« Reply #196 on: December 09, 2013, 11:19:03 am »
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As a matter of fact, the current backdrop to my mobile's screen lock is...:



In which they can all clearly be seen. What's not clear, is who exactly the real enemy of the story will be...
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« Reply #197 on: December 10, 2013, 02:17:21 am »
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No, I read some sort of synopsis where all these guys, including the Doctor, were to fight yet another enemy.
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« Reply #198 on: December 10, 2013, 11:08:18 am »
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No, I read some sort of synopsis where all these guys, including the Doctor, were to fight yet another enemy.

Last time these guys all teamed up, they threw the Doctor in a box.

Though, I have to admit that was an awesome culmination after decades of enemies being invented.
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« Reply #199 on: December 10, 2013, 11:45:11 am »
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No, I read some sort of synopsis where all these guys, including the Doctor, were to fight yet another enemy.

That's in fact what I was hinting at. :P

If you've been seeing the set release pictures as they've been released (as well as the picture I posted above), it's not at all clear that the "destruction" of classic "enemies" is at the hands of The Doctor. He may very well be the "General", with his "Army" behind him in the above picture...


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