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Dr. Who
« on: June 20, 2013, 11:27:27 pm »
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My friend showed me this show last year, and well, she's got me a bit hooked. I've seen all the episodes on Netflix and have only heard talk about the newer season apparently they get rid of the Ponds somehow. I know I'm not the only one who's seen this since people talked about it in the Star Trek thread, and this show needs its own thread too.

So, favorite Alien? Episodes?  My favorite episode is Gridlocked for how mindblowing-ly interesting it is (at least to me) and The Silence are my favorite alien. They're one of the few things from Doctor Who that may actually exist.
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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2013, 11:40:16 pm »
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I am a pretty big fan.  I've watched all the new series and a fair amount of the classic series.  I like pretty much every Doctor except Hartnell (which isn't his fault, as the Doctor didn't really become the character he is until Troughton anyway).

Favorite aliens are the Daleks and the Ood (mainly the design for the Ood; they really need more episodes to flesh them out as a race).  Man, I love a lot of episodes of the show.  Tomb of the Cybermen, The War Games, The Ark in Space, Genesis of the Daleks, The Christmas Invasion, Midnight, Vincent and the Doctor, and The Doctor's Wife all come to mind.  There's still just so much I haven't watched, though. 

I have loathed what Steven Moffat's done to the show since Season 6, but I'm pretty hopeful for where he goes after Season 7 since things will be forced to change up a bit.  Don't get me wrong; I like Moffat fine, but I think he's better at writing one-off episodes that are tight and focused than he is at running the show. 
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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2013, 11:57:31 pm »
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I've got every episode that's not been destroyed, and even the audio for a handful of episodes that have (been destroyed). Massive, massive fan.

Don't really have a favorite monster, but Troughton is hands down my favorite incarnation. As far as series of episodes go, Trial of a Time Lord (Season 23, episodes: The mysterious planet, Mindwarp, Terror of the Vervoids, The Ultimate Foe) is definitely up there. I wasn't a massive Colin Baker fan, but those were good.
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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2013, 11:58:51 pm »
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Love the show, seen all the rebooted series and unfortunately only a smattering of the classics. Episode must be Blink. I've been reasonably disappointed with what they've done to the Weeping Angels every time they've brought them back - they are just more and more like standard monsters, and this is just very disappointing (actually I feel somewhat similarly about the Borg in Star Trek after Season 5 or so of TNG).

The classics I've found a bit hit and miss. The Three Doctors is awful, and I couldn't get through The Aztecs, but several other serials are perfectly fine, and some - I am mainly thinking of The Caves of Androzzani and City of Death - are quite good.

Actually, season 3 of the revival is just pretty clearly my favorite, and especially the second half. Human Nature - Family of Blood - Blink - Utopia - Sound of Drums - Last of the Time Lords... it's really hard to find another such stretch of great episodes all in a row in any series.

Aliens? Time Lords.

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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2013, 11:59:10 pm »
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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2013, 12:05:08 am »
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I prefer Inspector Space-Time.
I'm not a big fan of Community.
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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2013, 12:24:03 am »
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I've watched all of the rebooted series except for most of season 5, just haven't got around to it. I really like Blink as well, and I like the weeping angels there, but I agree with WW that after that they become a typical villain, quite disappointing. My favorite season has to be season 4; I really like Donna and there's a great string of episodes from Planet of the Ood all the way to Journey's end interrupted only by The Unicorn and the Wasp. Actually, I really like the whole season except for that one and Fires of Pompeii, although I didn't find Midnight that great. Maybe I should try it again.

I've only seen one serial from the old series; a Tom Baker episode entitled The Seeds of Doom. That was a fun episode to watch.

I have loathed what Steven Moffat's done to the show since Season 6, but I'm pretty hopeful for where he goes after Season 7 since things will be forced to change up a bit.  Don't get me wrong; I like Moffat fine, but I think he's better at writing one-off episodes that are tight and focused than he is at running the show. 

Agree with you completely there, I really don't like what he's done with the show.
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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2013, 12:39:41 am »
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I wasn't hooked on Doctor Who until Season 5 of the revival, so I have to say, Moffat taking over won me over as a fan. Only then did I go back and watch the previous 4 seasons in order. It just seems like they made things work better in the later seasons -- more interesting aliens; River Song is a better "love interest" than Rose; Amy running away on her wedding night with the Doctor is done better than Rose's running away from Mickey; Doctor's speeches are better; stories seem to be cleaner, less reliant on back story; cinematography and over all production values are better. It gets better every season!

Blink has to be the episode. This is the episode I show to someone who had not seen Doctor Who before.

While I tend to like the stand alone stories best (I don't like it as much when too much back story is required -- or when old finished story lines are dredged up for ratings: Rose, I am looking at you), the River Song story line has been really good. When she shows up, you know it's going to be a great episode. Silence in the Library is my favorite two parter. Season 5 finale is my favorite finale.

Weeping Angles are the best aliens (I have a lamp in my living room that flickers occasionally like the light bulbs in the basement -- it's creepy) and I am glad they are not overused. I think they have been really well utilized. I am sick of the Daleks and the Cybermen.

Ponds>Donna/Grandpa (only because I hate the way they wrote Donna out)>Clara>Rose>Martha.

Haven't seen much of the old Doctor Who. I tried to watch one of the old episodes on Netflix -- it just moved too slowly and wasn't worth my time.
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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2013, 12:49:44 am »
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I prefer Inspector Space-Time.
I'm not a big fan of Community.

More seriously though -- I haven't gotten into Dr. Who for a couple reasons -- the big one is that I'm kind of a completionist and very loyal to shows (I tend to stick with shows I once liked even after they fall into mediocrity or worse), so if I started on DW I would feel compelled to start at the beginning.  That leads to the second issue -- there is a LOT to get into, and it looks overwhelming.  I follow enough shows as it is.
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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2013, 01:02:53 am »
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I prefer Inspector Space-Time.
I'm not a big fan of Community.

More seriously though -- I haven't gotten into Dr. Who for a couple reasons -- the big one is that I'm kind of a completionist and very loyal to shows (I tend to stick with shows I once liked even after they fall into mediocrity or worse), so if I started on DW I would feel compelled to start at the beginning.  That leads to the second issue -- there is a LOT to get into, and it looks overwhelming.  I follow enough shows as it is.

Seconding this. I'm really curious about trying it out, but it's very daunting to get started on Doctor Who. Even ignoring all pre-reboot episodes, there's still a lot to get through.
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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2013, 01:08:04 am »
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My favorite quote is "Demons run when a good man goes to war." I like it when the Doctor shows his dark side.
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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2013, 01:11:47 am »
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My favorite quote is "Demons run when a good man goes to war." I like it when the Doctor shows his dark side.

Isn't that a light side?  Or is he the demon in the quote? :P

Ahh, one other reason I'm hesitant to jump on the bandwagon is that I have heard some terrible things about Moffat's writing.  Like, rampant sexism?  So there's that.  I should ask my friend what she thinks of more recent episodes/seasons.  She was a fan before.  Not sure if she still is.  I'm pretty sure some of the Moffat criticism I've seen was passed through her blog, but I'm not sure it got bad enough that she stopped following.
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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2013, 01:16:23 am »
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My favorite quote is "Demons run when a good man goes to war." I like it when the Doctor shows his dark side.

Isn't that a light side?  Or is he the demon in the quote? :P

IIRC, he's the good man. But generally he's the one running. From basically everything.
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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2013, 01:16:34 am »
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I love the show! I'd even call myself a fan, though not quite on the level of some of the others above. :P I really have to agree with a lot of what Polk said, seasons 5 and later of the revival really hooked me, and they interested me more than enough to go back and watch 1-4 (well, most of season 1). The only classic Who I've seen is The Three Doctors, which was horrible. I didn't finish it. I'm curious to go back and see some others, if only to laugh at them (and maybe find a few good ones too).

Matt Smith is my favorite doctor but David Tenant is terrific too. I'd love to have seen David Tenant in some episodes with higher production quality so I'm very excited about the 50th anniversary special. The Ponds are my favorite companions but honestly I really like all of them. I LOVE Riversong. Her episodes tend to be my favorites, she might just be my favorite character in the whole Who universe. I'm not emotionally prepared for when her arc will inevitably end.

I'm not sure if I have a favorite alien or episode, though a few do come to mind. The angels are of course terrific and Blink is a superb episode. Each angels episode brings consistency new issues to the table, but eh, consistency has never been Who's strong point. The Master's arc was exciting, loved those episodes. The Silence are delightfully creepy and that season's arc (can you tell I like well-developed story arcs??) was compelling. I loved Nightmare in Silver from season 7 a lot as well, just a really nice one-off episode.
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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2013, 01:17:51 am »
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My favorite quote is "Demons run when a good man goes to war." I like it when the Doctor shows his dark side.

Oh I LOVE this episode too. Again, Riversong...it was all very exciting.
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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2013, 01:20:21 am »
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Matt Smith is my favorite doctor but David Tenant is terrific too. I'd love to have seen David Tenant in some episodes with higher production quality so I'm very excited about the 50th anniversary special. The Ponds are my favorite companions but honestly I really like all of them. I LOVE Riversong. Her episodes tend to be my favorites, she might just be my favorite character in the whole Who universe. I'm not emotionally prepared for when her arc will inevitably end.

It "ended" when we first met her. Sort of. She did die!
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« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2013, 01:27:11 am »
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Matt Smith is my favorite doctor but David Tenant is terrific too. I'd love to have seen David Tenant in some episodes with higher production quality so I'm very excited about the 50th anniversary special. The Ponds are my favorite companions but honestly I really like all of them. I LOVE Riversong. Her episodes tend to be my favorites, she might just be my favorite character in the whole Who universe. I'm not emotionally prepared for when her arc will inevitably end.

It "ended" when we first met her. Sort of. She did die!

I know I know I know. But surely there will be some sort of hoopla whenshe actually leaves.
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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2013, 01:29:20 am »
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My favorite quote is "Demons run when a good man goes to war." I like it when the Doctor shows his dark side.

Isn't that a light side?  Or is he the demon in the quote? :P

Ahh, one other reason I'm hesitant to jump on the bandwagon is that I have heard some terrible things about Moffat's writing.  Like, rampant sexism?  So there's that.  I should ask my friend what she thinks of more recent episodes/seasons.  She was a fan before.  Not sure if she still is.  I'm pretty sure some of the Moffat criticism I've seen was passed through her blog, but I'm not sure it got bad enough that she stopped following.

Well.... To be fair, for much of the show's history it's been "The Doctor and his Female Companion(s)", with the occasional male companion thrown in (granted, some of the best characters where men traveling with him). Still, it's always fired on all cylinders best when it's been "Alien Male lead that the viewer doesn't associate with, accompanied by Human Female that could be Jane anygirl from down the street". And that's not to say that "sexism" is the driving motive, it's just how it's been.

Now, before the reboot, while there were at times SOME gender tension, it was never really the focus. RTD really brought about the fawning female in Rose, and followed that right up with Martha. Donna then, was a breath of fresh air as her attraction to the Doctor was VERY non-physical.

That's when Moffat took over, and yes, in Amy's character there was a lot of... "I'm a woman, and you will recognize this!", from her clothes, to her attitude. I think that's why a lot of people appreciated both the inclusion of River and Rory, because they softened the tension between Amy/Doctor that was, at times, a little uncomfortable (not just for the characters, but for the viewers).

Clara, the newest companion, also brings an aura of sexuality with her, but it's vastly different to Amy's. Whereas Amy was, in many ways, a "boy toy", Clara seems to flirt right along with whatever gender/species/whatever she happens to be talking to. However, it's a much more subdued flirting, and isn't as obtrusive on the storyline of the episodes.

In many ways for Moffat, I think he approaches Doctor Who a little bit TOO much like Coupling (Wonderful show, btw. Although you need to enjoy sexual tension for the sake of sexual tension. Still, well written and fun all the way around). He's trying too hard to make a Sci-Fi show into a drama/romp. That said, if a season is 13 episodes long, the head writer is usually responsible for MAYBE 5 of them (Opening/Ending, possible 2-parter, maybe 1 more). The rest are by other writers (Neil Gaiman, Neil Cross, Chris Chibnall, Mark Gatiss, etc are all current - and phenomenal - writers).

Anyway, long story short, "Sexism" isn't rampant, per se, but is a little bit of an underlying thread since the show began 50 years ago. Certainly I think Rose & Amy have been the "worst" cases of it since the show was created (well, if we're not judging JUST on outfits anyway. Some of the outfits back in the 70's... whew boy.), but overall it's not a huge detraction from what the show is really all about.
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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2013, 02:03:08 am »
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I prefer Inspector Space-Time.
I'm not a big fan of Community.

More seriously though -- I haven't gotten into Dr. Who for a couple reasons -- the big one is that I'm kind of a completionist and very loyal to shows (I tend to stick with shows I once liked even after they fall into mediocrity or worse), so if I started on DW I would feel compelled to start at the beginning.  That leads to the second issue -- there is a LOT to get into, and it looks overwhelming.  I follow enough shows as it is.

Seconding this. I'm really curious about trying it out, but it's very daunting to get started on Doctor Who. Even ignoring all pre-reboot episodes, there's still a lot to get through.
Well if you guys do start watching, I'd highly suggest starting with 'Blink'. It's a standalone episode with almost entirely new charachters that aren't in any other episodes. From there, I'd pick the first episode of a Season of your choice. I went with 'Eleventh Hour', but that's mainly because of the buzz the season after it was getting, and you don't want to start with the first episode of that season.

Or you can just jump around from what seems coolest. Granted, that's a lot easier to do with the seasons with the 9th/10th Doctor since there's  almost no season-long storyline during those episodes. If you were to do that, I'd suggest Gridlock.

 
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Re: Dr. Who
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2013, 02:11:31 am »
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Based on what I've seen on Tumblr, the episode I'd want to watch is the one about Van Gogh.  I know the basic premise of Blink as well, and that would be interesting.

On the topic of sexism, I think this article is a decent summary of the concerns I'm talking about.  It's a bit milder than other criticisms I've seen.
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« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2013, 02:15:48 am »
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Honestly, as others have said, Blink is a great first episode to get your feet wet. It has no major impact on any other episode or major story point, and is just really, really good (Moffat at his best, although The Empty Child // The Doctor Dances, as well as Silence in the Library // Forest of the Dead - all great episodes. Heck, so is Girl in the Fireplace for that matter...).

After that though, I really do think Russel T. Davis did a great job reintroducing the show. While you can certainly start at the beginning of any season (I don't recommend jumping into the middle), "Season 1" of the reboot really established a firm sense of "This is what the show is", and allowed what followed to build off of that.

If you absolutely don't want to start with "Rose", I would jump all the way to "The Eleventh Hour". While I hate to say skipping over anything Tennant is a good idea, the way the seasons were written and characters reintroduced up that point, if you miss out on "Season 1", you'll constantly feel like you've missed back story. With the introduction of Matt Smith, and more importantly, Steven Moffat, **almost** all ties to the past few seasons were severed, and you get a new, fresh start without feeling like you're missing out.
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« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2013, 02:21:16 am »
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I would echo all of this for anyone wanting to get into the show. The only thing I would add is not to let the cheesiness of the first couple episodes of season 1 dissuade you from watching. It gets better, and then later on it gets a LOT better.

For people starting with season 5, I actually think Blink and Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead are good and (eventually) important pre-requisites.
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« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2013, 02:21:59 am »
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If/when I start, I suppose I would start from the very beginning of the reboot(?) which is... Rose and the ninth doctor?  Is that right?

Tumblr has already spoiled some things for me, but not in a way I fully understand.  Like, I know that something tragic happens with Rose and the doctor, something about people being trapped in different dimensions or something but I'm not sure how it plays out in the slightest.  I even tried reading a DW wiki about it at some point and it didn't really make sense to me -- probably something you need to actually watch.



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« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2013, 02:41:39 am »
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Based on what I've seen on Tumblr, the episode I'd want to watch is the one about Van Gogh.  I know the basic premise of Blink as well, and that would be interesting.

On the topic of sexism, I think this article is a decent summary of the concerns I'm talking about.  It's a bit milder than other criticisms I've seen.

The article is somewhat right, and somewhat biased towards what it wants to see. Regarding the kiss with "Jenny", they're spot on. That was so forced and really OUT of character for the Doctor that it was incredibly awkward. In the past, under Moffat, the Doctor has been forcibly kissed by (off the top of my head) two women and both times was... very uncomfortable/fidgity/squeemish - it was obviously something he wasn't accustomed to and was uncomfortable with himself. In one case, like the kiss with Jenny, it felt forced, although at least it matched the character's personality. The second kiss actually fit the story, and I can't really knock its inclusion.

Where the article goes off, I think, is in its criticism of River - because it doesn't take into consideration her entire storyline. The article is actually objectifying her more by complaining that she isn't what the author feels a real woman should be - whereas in the context of Doctor Who she was exactly what she needed to be.

When it comes to Clara and her first season of Doctor Who, I think Moffat was trying to move away from characters like Amy or River, who were... Well, as I mentioned before, and the Article you link mentions, Doctor Who used to give a feeling like the companion could be "Jane anybody". She was interesting -because- she could be *you* (or rather, just some random girl that he meets on the street). Neither Amy nor River had this quality, and thus they became too far from being "real" in the sense that people couldn't connect with them (Rory on the other hand, was written wonderfully, as he really was your "unspectacular in every way yet completely wonderful person"). I think Moffat got caught in wanting to introduce a "normal" character again with Clara, but didn't want her to be bland. So he tried to make her both "The most normal, average girl possible", while also generating a huge mystery around her. Did it fall a little flat at times? Yes. Unfortunately, I think the writing floundered a little in this latest season. It was full of great stories to tell, but I could've put any companion I chose into each story and it wouldn't really have changed anything. There was nothing directly personable about Clara, and nothing that made her, as a character, truly unique.

And maybe that's what Moffat was aiming for. Certainly there is SOME sense that he did indeed set that goal. I just think the execution could've been done a little better. Still, the stories were very strong throughout, and Clara's sometimes generic participation aside (no knock on Jenna Luise Coleman, who was very, very good opposite Smith's Doctor), the season was very enjoyable and set up some very interesting plot points to move forward with.

It's important to note that when the Article says "Clara was born to save the Doctor", those are her words, and aren't entirely taken within context. If anything, it's a season of a story about Cause and Effect. I have high hopes for next year with Clara, as she's now been established, I do believe some of the "generic companion" feeling that she was written early on will start to subside, as the "mystery" is solved, and the writers don't have to "hide" anything anymore.
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I really felt like there was a fairly stark difference between the first half of season 7 part 2 (the Christmas special and beyond - everything with clara) and the second half. I liked the stories and episodes in the first half just fine but the stories and character really developed much better in the final episodes of the season. Of course, the first half of season 7 proper (with the Ponds) was a pretty fun romp that had some real high points.
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Based on what I've seen on Tumblr, the episode I'd want to watch is the one about Van Gogh.  I know the basic premise of Blink as well, and that would be interesting.

On the topic of sexism, I think this article is a decent summary of the concerns I'm talking about.  It's a bit milder than other criticisms I've seen.

I call PC police on this one. The premise is that the Doctor is practically a demi-god. River Song competes with him because she is, too. I don't see any complaining that the minor male characters surrounding the female companions are usually completely pathetic (Mickey I'm looking at you), at least at first, and would be terrible role models, too. This is perfectly fine because of the contrast that is the premise of the show. Not every character (or any character) in every show/movie/book ever has to be perfect example of their gender in order for the show to be entertaining or worthwhile.

The writer of the article will only be happy when the Doctor is female and the companion is male to "balance" the show out.

Also, no credit to Moffat for making more "rounded" aliens? The used to almost exclusively have bad intentions. Moffat gives more of them alternative motivation, or at least they're "misunderstood." That has to make the PC police at least a little happy.
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« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2013, 09:25:04 am »
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When Dr. Who first got rebooted, I refused to watch it because, like eHalcyon, I have completionist issues. I felt like I shouldn't watch the new season until I get around to watching to previous episodes. This went on quite a few years.

I started watching Who earlier this year. BBC America was going nuts with the new season, so I set up the DVR to record all episodes. This got a little nasty in terms of space, but I managed it mostly well.

My first episode was the Eleventh Hour, which was perfect for getting into it. I had known about the Doctor's regeneration, so I was able to grok exactly what was happening. Maybe if someone didn't know anything about the regeneration, he might have found the episode confusing and disjointed. I found the wordplay amusing. "Oh, they don't mean we'll incinerate just the house."

I caught a few more episodes in order, but BBC America was trying to showcase the best of Who, it seems, so it jumped around a bit. My wife and I joke that we feel like Time Lords because we watch the episodes all out of order. The only negative experience I had was watching Forest of the Dead. I didn't realize it was a two-parter, and somehow part 1 didn't get recorded. So I knew there were experiences leading up to it, but I had thought they were referring to earlier episodes. Still, I was able to follow along and realize what the foes were and how the suits worked. Still, when both parts were recorded later, I rewatched it and enjoyed the experience a lot more.

I still haven't caught up with the reboot. I have a lot of Donna and Rose episodes on my DVR. I don't feel like I've seen that much Martha, so I probably have even more catching up. I feel fairly confident that I've seen all of the Ponds, though.

I love River Song. I think she makes a great counterpoint to the godlike Doctor. In fact, when they're together, she's usually the one outdoing him. I like most of the villains, especially when they get pretty weird and surreal. Angels fall in this category (funnily enough, Blink was the third episode I saw with the Angels so by then, they were meh), as do the Silence. Even one-offs that are bizarre tickle me, such as the automatons in the episode with the giant space whale. The Daleks almost seem too mundane, though it's nice to see them pull a few tricks, such as the time they "help" Churchill. I don't loathe seeing Daleks, but when I see them, it's close to a "here we go again" moment. Still, I can enjoy the episodes regardless, so that's saying something. I have a hard time getting into the Cybermen. Maybe it's because they seem to be a rehash of the Borg (even though Cybermen actually predate the Borg).

I've not seen the classics but two. I watched most of the Aztec episode. I'm with WW; I could not finish that episode. The interesting part was whether history could be changed, and they resolved that before the end (I think). I saw the fifth Doctor vs. the Cybermen (who were not quite as mechanical as they are today).

I've been too busy to clean up my DVR lately. I don't know when we're making the switch to Google Fiber, but when it happens, we'll lose all our stored episodes. It's a worthy sacrifice.
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My favorite quote is "Demons run when a good man goes to war." I like it when the Doctor shows his dark side.

Isn't that a light side?  Or is he the demon in the quote? :P

IIRC, he's the good man. But generally he's the one running. From basically everything.
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« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2013, 09:56:17 am »
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I've been a Doctor Who fan (like just about every Sci-Fi fan I know...) since season 2 of the new series. I still want to watch Season 1, as well as the old seasons, but time and price are issues. I think Doctor Who is one of the best things on TV. It has reason and motive for every episode to be totally different, far more than a normal show, but keeps enough core and enough similarities for it to be easy to understand every time. And that huge variability keeps things fresh and interesting - there's the occasional dud episode (such as Rings of Akhatan this series), but mostly, you get high quality, reasonably unique, memorable episodes most weeks.

I think the second half of the last series was my favourite so far. Except the aforementioned Rings of Akhatan, and perhaps The Name of the Doctor, every episode was excellent. Clara was introduced very well and quickly felt entirely in place, and her mini story arc was well explored, with unexpected twists throughout.
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My wife and I joke that we feel like Time Lords because we watch the episodes all out of order.

When I was watching older episodes, esp. Silence in the Library, I felt like I was on River Song's timeline because I had already seen season 5, "the future". Hey -- he's not my Doctor, either! No, I don't know you, Donna. Why aren't you in future seasons? That was pretty cool.
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« Reply #31 on: June 21, 2013, 10:23:57 am »
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I still want to watch Season 1, as well as the old seasons, but time and price are issues.

They're available on Netflix streaming (free for a month if you just want to watch that, and I think $8/mo after that.)
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« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2013, 01:24:09 pm »
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I am confused by people referring to some of the old classic Who's as things like 'the episode The Aztecs'. These were all multi-episode serials. Are people missing that, or am I just being overly pedantic here?

Actually, this past season was the *least* favorite of the reboot for me. Well, the first half in particular, I don't know, didn't do much for me. And the second half started off pretty meh, though the last few episodes were reasonably nice.

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« Reply #33 on: June 21, 2013, 01:43:34 pm »
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I am confused by people referring to some of the old classic Who's as things like 'the episode The Aztecs'. These were all multi-episode serials. Are people missing that, or am I just being overly pedantic here?

Actually, this past season was the *least* favorite of the reboot for me. Well, the first half in particular, I don't know, didn't do much for me. And the second half started off pretty meh, though the last few episodes were reasonably nice.

The general sense in reference is that, while the story is comprised of serials, it's still a 'single story', thus the use of 'episode'. Also, it's possible that those referring to "The episode The Aztecs" may have seen it through the 50th anniversary specials, in which they are running classic stories (all serials within a story) as a single episode (cutting out opening/ending credits of each serial, as well as the overlap for "previously on").
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When I was young, probably about ten, I read a lot of Doctor Who books that were written from the TV shows. That was before video recorders so I was never able to watch as much Doctor Who as I read. By the time it got to the fifth/sixth doctor it was going downhill and I've never been interested in the reboot. It's probably because I expect the doctor to be played by someone over 50 who looks like a senior academic but then acts like an eccentric, rather than someone who looks like an upstart student. My favorite doctor was of course Tom Baker, the one I first started watching, although I'd give a nod to Jon Pertwee as well. I liked the films made with Peter Cushing as the doctor as well but they'll look incredibly dated now.
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« Reply #35 on: June 21, 2013, 02:08:25 pm »
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The general sense in reference is that, while the story is comprised of serials, it's still a 'single story', thus the use of 'episode'. Also, it's possible that those referring to "The episode The Aztecs" may have seen it through the 50th anniversary specials, in which they are running classic stories (all serials within a story) as a single episode (cutting out opening/ending credits of each serial, as well as the overlap for "previously on").

That is exactly what I was referring to, and I hazarded a guess that it was also what WW was referring to.

I did not know that they cut those episodes and strung them together. That makes more sense of what I saw. I thought it strange that the "episode" lasted so long. I knew that episodes in the '60s weren't generally long (I do have the Prisoner). So, out of curiosity, could someone in the know tell me how many episodes were strung together for the 50th-anniversary special of the 1st Doctor?

And did the 5th Doctor special get the same treatment? The one where a companion first dies?

I found the retrospectives fascinating. I saw the first five back-to-back (followed by the 5th Doctor special). It's neat how some of the elements in the reboot (such an inappropriate term….let's call it continuation) have been around for a long time. Davros, for example, and the Master. These characters seemed like they would have been introduced in the new seasons, but nope. They've been introduced decades before.
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« Reply #36 on: June 21, 2013, 02:18:43 pm »
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The general sense in reference is that, while the story is comprised of serials, it's still a 'single story', thus the use of 'episode'. Also, it's possible that those referring to "The episode The Aztecs" may have seen it through the 50th anniversary specials, in which they are running classic stories (all serials within a story) as a single episode (cutting out opening/ending credits of each serial, as well as the overlap for "previously on").

That is exactly what I was referring to, and I hazarded a guess that it was also what WW was referring to.

I did not know that they cut those episodes and strung them together. That makes more sense of what I saw. I thought it strange that the "episode" lasted so long. I knew that episodes in the '60s weren't generally long (I do have the Prisoner). So, out of curiosity, could someone in the know tell me how many episodes were strung together for the 50th-anniversary special of the 1st Doctor?

And did the 5th Doctor special get the same treatment? The one where a companion first dies?

I found the retrospectives fascinating. I saw the first five back-to-back (followed by the 5th Doctor special). It's neat how some of the elements in the reboot (such an inappropriate term….let's call it continuation) have been around for a long time. Davros, for example, and the Master. These characters seemed like they would have been introduced in the new seasons, but nope. They've been introduced decades before.

The Aztecs was 4 Serials long: Temple of Evil, The Warriors of Death, The Bride of Sacrifice, and The Day of Darkness.

Earthshock was also 4 Serials long, although they were simply Part One - Part Four.
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Holy cow. Okay, that explains a great deal. I thought that the pace seemed to be off a bit on those. I chalked it up to just general awkwardness due to budget and technology of the day.

Kind of makes me wonder what they're going to choose for the 9th, 10th, and 11th Doctors. Guess I'll start to find out in September.
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« Reply #38 on: June 21, 2013, 04:00:53 pm »
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Based on what I've seen on Tumblr, the episode I'd want to watch is the one about Van Gogh.  I know the basic premise of Blink as well, and that would be interesting.

On the topic of sexism, I think this article is a decent summary of the concerns I'm talking about.  It's a bit milder than other criticisms I've seen.

I call PC police on this one. The premise is that the Doctor is practically a demi-god. River Song competes with him because she is, too. I don't see any complaining that the minor male characters surrounding the female companions are usually completely pathetic (Mickey I'm looking at you), at least at first, and would be terrible role models, too. This is perfectly fine because of the contrast that is the premise of the show. Not every character (or any character) in every show/movie/book ever has to be perfect example of their gender in order for the show to be entertaining or worthwhile.

The writer of the article will only be happy when the Doctor is female and the companion is male to "balance" the show out.

Also, no credit to Moffat for making more "rounded" aliens? The used to almost exclusively have bad intentions. Moffat gives more of them alternative motivation, or at least they're "misunderstood." That has to make the PC police at least a little happy.

Would it be problematic to have a female Doctor? :P

But anyway, I highly doubt that's what the author is after.  She begins the article by lauding earlier seasons for properly portraying women as "complex, interesting human beings".

I'm more concerned about things like this:

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Amy was confused about River’s behaviour, and asks, “I don’t get it, one minute she wants to marry you, the next she wants to kill you!” The Doctor replies: “She’s been brainwashed, it probably makes sense to her. Plus, she’s a woman.”

I mean, OK, it's a joke I guess.  Haha, women are crazy and have crazy mood swings?  It's bothersome. 

The amount of criticism out there is pretty amazing, and to brush it off as "PC Police" does it a disservice.  This conversation is prompting me to go look into it a bit more.

And here's an interesting quotation from Moffat:

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There’s this issue you’re not allowed to discuss: that women are needy. Men can go for longer, more happily, without women. That’s the truth. We don’t, as little boys, play at being married—we try to avoid it for as long as possible. Meanwhile women are out there hunting for husbands.

Man, that's sexist.

But I fear we are veering into RSP.  I will say that I know DW is still a good show that I will probably get into it eventually. :P
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« Reply #39 on: June 21, 2013, 04:12:02 pm »
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I think that a female Doctor would be smashing. And you know, with that quote where he demeans River Song by attributing her psychotic mood swings to being female, the entire first episode could be dedicated to the Doctor coming to grips with this new body.

I read that it's not going to happen. I forget who said it (BBC executive?), but someone said that it would be just too confusing for children to see a man change into a woman. Because everything else on that show makes so much sense. But I hope it does happen.

I thought the actress who played the TARDIS in the Doctor's Wife was brilliant. She just as easily could play the Doctor.
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« Reply #40 on: June 21, 2013, 05:45:33 pm »
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Would it be problematic to have a female Doctor? :P

No. But neither do you need one to enjoy what the show has to offer or to prove the show isn't promoting sexism.

I guess I just disagree that the lead women in the earlier seasons were somehow "stronger."

I am surprised criticism is prevalent. Maybe it has to do with its status as a popular family show? Where having perfectly "properly portrayed" characters or PC theme is most important? And given what's on TV, Doctor Who is very benign (if there's a theme or morality pushed, it's usually some variation of "it's good to help people even at personal cost"); it's partly why I watch it.

Maybe my threshold for boycotting certain media is just looser than yours, which is fine, too.
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« Reply #41 on: June 21, 2013, 06:01:41 pm »
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Would it be problematic to have a female Doctor? :P

No. But neither do you need one to enjoy what the show has to offer or to prove the show isn't promoting sexism.

I guess I just disagree that the lead women in the earlier seasons were somehow "stronger."

I am surprised criticism is prevalent. Maybe it has to do with its status as a popular family show? Where having perfectly "properly portrayed" characters or PC theme is most important? And given what's on TV, Doctor Who is very benign (if there's a theme or morality pushed, it's usually some variation of "it's good to help people even at personal cost"); it's partly why I watch it.

Maybe my threshold for boycotting certain media is just looser than yours, which is fine, too.

I haven't mentioned boycotting.  Just concern.

Criticism seems not to be that the women have to be perfect or "strong".  Far from it.  It just seems that the vast, vast majority of Moffat's female characters always seem to end up being defined by either husbands or children, as if all women are simply destined for marrying and/or breeding.  Real people are more complicated than that.

But it is a complicated issue and I am not familiar with the show, so it is difficult to discuss.
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« Reply #42 on: June 21, 2013, 06:08:10 pm »
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Woman Doctor? :



Although that might not address the 'sexism' complaint... ;D
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« Reply #43 on: June 21, 2013, 07:15:00 pm »
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Would it be problematic to have a female Doctor? :P

No. But neither do you need one to enjoy what the show has to offer or to prove the show isn't promoting sexism.

I guess I just disagree that the lead women in the earlier seasons were somehow "stronger."

I am surprised criticism is prevalent. Maybe it has to do with its status as a popular family show? Where having perfectly "properly portrayed" characters or PC theme is most important? And given what's on TV, Doctor Who is very benign (if there's a theme or morality pushed, it's usually some variation of "it's good to help people even at personal cost"); it's partly why I watch it.

Maybe my threshold for boycotting certain media is just looser than yours, which is fine, too.

I haven't mentioned boycotting.  Just concern.

Criticism seems not to be that the women have to be perfect or "strong".  Far from it.  It just seems that the vast, vast majority of Moffat's female characters always seem to end up being defined by either husbands or children, as if all women are simply destined for marrying and/or breeding.  Real people are more complicated than that.

But it is a complicated issue and I am not familiar with the show, so it is difficult to discuss.
You really don't have a leg to stand on here. You're judging the guy as a sexist for things other people have said about him. Go look at the stuff yourself, then come back with an opinion.

I mean, seriously, let's go through his female Dr. Who characters:

The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances: Nancy - takes care of children in the London Blitz. Eh, it's somehow traditional, of course, but she does it in a strong way, and I have a problem with having a problem with women doing traditional things. Being forced to do them, sure. But doing them at all, no.

The Girl in the Fireplace: Madame de Pompadour is based on a historical figure. There are pros and cons, yes, but at least she takes a keen interest. I grant you that she is largely the one getting rescued, but again, historical figure.

Blink: Hard to find a better strong female character than Sally Sparrow, no? She is trespassing, breaking into places, adventuring, detectiving, working things out, saving the day. By far the protagonist of the episode, much more than even the Doctor.

Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead: There are a few here. Ms. Evangelista is a bit of a ditz, but at least it's pointed out that she's not worthless, though other characters think that. Anita, she's like the pilot or something? She doesn't do that much, just a minor character, like either of the Daves. CAL is a child, and actually she's saved everyone. And ok, Professor River Song. She basically takes charge, well, along with the Doctor, and overrules him to make the self-sacrifice at the end. Later on, she is basically *always* taking charge of the situation.

Amy Pond: Also takes charge, to the point that the other character's are joked as being subservient to her, and her husband is Mr. Pond at the wedding, "Wait, that's not how it works... yeah, yeah it is."

I mean, it's not perfect, I grant, but it's not near the top half of problems I see towards women on TV.

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No, I acknowledge that I'm not in a place to really discuss it before looking at it myself.  I'm just saying, these are concerns I've been exposed to and they seem legitimate (especially regarding some of the things Moffat himself has said in interviews and such).  My stance on it is only mild concern as an observer, having not watched those episodes myself.  Don't get me wrong, I am still interested in checking out the series in the future.
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« Reply #45 on: June 21, 2013, 07:33:15 pm »
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« Reply #46 on: June 22, 2013, 10:25:14 am »
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I still want to watch Season 1, as well as the old seasons, but time and price are issues.

They're available on Netflix streaming (free for a month if you just want to watch that, and I think $8/mo after that.)

I've been told £6/month in the UK, but I might see if I can get them here on free Netflix. Maybe in the summer.

(Before someone becomes pedantic, I meant summer holiday, which starts week after next for me)
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« Reply #47 on: June 22, 2013, 11:47:06 am »
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Matt Smith is my favorite doctor but David Tenant is terrific too. I'd love to have seen David Tenant in some episodes with higher production quality so I'm very excited about the 50th anniversary special. The Ponds are my favorite companions but honestly I really like all of them. I LOVE Riversong. Her episodes tend to be my favorites, she might just be my favorite character in the whole Who universe. I'm not emotionally prepared for when her arc will inevitably end.

It "ended" when we first met her. Sort of. She did die!

I know I know I know. But surely there will be some sort of hoopla whenshe actually leaves.

Consider that we've also seen the other end of her timeline with the Doctor already (In "Let's Kill Hitler").
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« Reply #48 on: June 22, 2013, 01:49:15 pm »
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Matt Smith is my favorite doctor but David Tenant is terrific too. I'd love to have seen David Tenant in some episodes with higher production quality so I'm very excited about the 50th anniversary special. The Ponds are my favorite companions but honestly I really like all of them. I LOVE Riversong. Her episodes tend to be my favorites, she might just be my favorite character in the whole Who universe. I'm not emotionally prepared for when her arc will inevitably end.

It "ended" when we first met her. Sort of. She did die!

I know I know I know. But surely there will be some sort of hoopla whenshe actually leaves.

Consider that we've also seen the other end of her timeline with the Doctor already (In "Let's Kill Hitler").

Yes but...surely with a character as important as River they will find some way to indicate that she's leaving the show. If she just disappears without ceremony I won't be able to handle it...
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« Reply #49 on: June 22, 2013, 02:00:01 pm »
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Matt Smith is my favorite doctor but David Tenant is terrific too. I'd love to have seen David Tenant in some episodes with higher production quality so I'm very excited about the 50th anniversary special. The Ponds are my favorite companions but honestly I really like all of them. I LOVE Riversong. Her episodes tend to be my favorites, she might just be my favorite character in the whole Who universe. I'm not emotionally prepared for when her arc will inevitably end.

It "ended" when we first met her. Sort of. She did die!

I know I know I know. But surely there will be some sort of hoopla whenshe actually leaves.

Consider that we've also seen the other end of her timeline with the Doctor already (In "Let's Kill Hitler").

Yes but...surely with a character as important as River they will find some way to indicate that she's leaving the show. If she just disappears without ceremony I won't be able to handle it...

You know who's disappearance without a ceremony I really didn't like? Rory's.
Amy gets this whole drama as she leaves, but Rory just gets touched by an angel and is gone. I really liked Rory, was sad to see him go (but didn't mind Amy leaving) and was even more disappointed that he just disappeared without ceremony.
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« Reply #50 on: June 22, 2013, 02:38:48 pm »
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Matt Smith is my favorite doctor but David Tenant is terrific too. I'd love to have seen David Tenant in some episodes with higher production quality so I'm very excited about the 50th anniversary special. The Ponds are my favorite companions but honestly I really like all of them. I LOVE Riversong. Her episodes tend to be my favorites, she might just be my favorite character in the whole Who universe. I'm not emotionally prepared for when her arc will inevitably end.

It "ended" when we first met her. Sort of. She did die!

I know I know I know. But surely there will be some sort of hoopla whenshe actually leaves.

Consider that we've also seen the other end of her timeline with the Doctor already (In "Let's Kill Hitler").

Yes but...surely with a character as important as River they will find some way to indicate that she's leaving the show. If she just disappears without ceremony I won't be able to handle it...

You know who's disappearance without a ceremony I really didn't like? Rory's.
Amy gets this whole drama as she leaves, but Rory just gets touched by an angel and is gone. I really liked Rory, was sad to see him go (but didn't mind Amy leaving) and was even more disappointed that he just disappeared without ceremony.


That didn't bother me so much actually. I thought the Winter Quay stuff was a pretty good exit for him/them. I was expecting for them both to go at that point which would have been alright. When they came back, it was like they got a few bonus minutes, and Rory disappearing was a surprising way of letting you know that everything is NOT OK.
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« Reply #51 on: June 22, 2013, 06:37:31 pm »
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Holy smokes, I just realized that the ninth doctor is Christopher Eccleston.  I mean, I knew that Eccleston had played a Doctor.  I'd also seen images of the ninth Doc with Rose.  But I never realized that was Eccleston... didn't recognize him without the beard he had in Heroes!
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« Reply #52 on: June 23, 2013, 12:48:16 am »
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My first experience with Eccleston was his role in Shallow Grave. This Doctor's personality is vastly different from his role as David.

I did see him in Heroes too. Really, he has such wildly different looks in all three roles. I haven't seen anything he's been in (I don't think). Okay, IMDb makes a liar out of me. Time to rewatch 28 Days Later, the Others, and Elizabeth.

Oh, and looks like he's in the new Thor movie. That'll be exciting.
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« Reply #53 on: June 23, 2013, 05:36:25 am »
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I feel a bit sorry for Rory.

If I were turned into a plastic Roman, I wouldn't wait for a box to open for 2000 years I don't think. I'd go see the world and try not to end up in a microwave or stay out in the sun too long.
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« Reply #54 on: July 02, 2013, 04:07:37 pm »
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Matt Smith is my favorite doctor but David Tenant is terrific too. I'd love to have seen David Tenant in some episodes with higher production quality so I'm very excited about the 50th anniversary special. The Ponds are my favorite companions but honestly I really like all of them. I LOVE Riversong. Her episodes tend to be my favorites, she might just be my favorite character in the whole Who universe. I'm not emotionally prepared for when her arc will inevitably end.

It "ended" when we first met her. Sort of. She did die!

I know I know I know. But surely there will be some sort of hoopla whenshe actually leaves.

Consider that we've also seen the other end of her timeline with the Doctor already (In "Let's Kill Hitler").

Yes but...surely with a character as important as River they will find some way to indicate that she's leaving the show. If she just disappears without ceremony I won't be able to handle it...

I suspect they'll do an episode where the Doctor sees her right before she's about to head for the library. He'll know what's going to happen, but won't be able to stop her. Maybe he tries but she won't let him. That seems like something River would do.
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« Reply #55 on: July 02, 2013, 04:51:33 pm »
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Matt Smith is my favorite doctor but David Tenant is terrific too. I'd love to have seen David Tenant in some episodes with higher production quality so I'm very excited about the 50th anniversary special. The Ponds are my favorite companions but honestly I really like all of them. I LOVE Riversong. Her episodes tend to be my favorites, she might just be my favorite character in the whole Who universe. I'm not emotionally prepared for when her arc will inevitably end.

It "ended" when we first met her. Sort of. She did die!

I know I know I know. But surely there will be some sort of hoopla whenshe actually leaves.

Consider that we've also seen the other end of her timeline with the Doctor already (In "Let's Kill Hitler").

Yes but...surely with a character as important as River they will find some way to indicate that she's leaving the show. If she just disappears without ceremony I won't be able to handle it...

I suspect they'll do an episode where the Doctor sees her right before she's about to head for the library. He'll know what's going to happen, but won't be able to stop her. Maybe he tries but she won't let him. That seems like something River would do.
Have you all seen "The Name of the Doctor"? I thought that episode made it clear we were seeing River after the Library ie she survives it/comes back somehow. Doesn't she tell Clara how the Doctor knows he leaves her in the Library and never says anything about it to her? ie she knows he knows?

And if that didn't give you a clue, huge fan. Initially got into the show starting with "Rose" while Tennant's specials were airing. I caught up with the show just in time to have The End of Time be the first episodes I ever watched "live". I've since watched a smattering of classic Doctor Who. Several serials of Baker (love "The Pirate Planet"!) and lots of 1st Doctor because of completist tendancies. I quite like Hartnell, actually - if you can get over the fact that the Doctor kidnaps his first-ever human companions, it's easy to see him as a younger version of the current guys.

I loved the Doctor's kiss of River in the last episode, simply because it was (I think) the first-ever honest-to-Rassilon romantic kiss with no sci-fi weirdness going on moment in the Doctor's life, and it completely justified to me the romantic side of his relationship with River (which up until that point felt as fake and tacked-on as Rose). And this is coming from someone who hates hates hates it when companions fall for the Doctor.

Rory/Amy (in that order) > Donna > Martha > Rose. No idea where to put Clara yet.

I thought the most recent season started out massively awful - so bad I didn't bother watching each episode the week it aired - and ended with Moffat's best finale yet.

I also agree with those who say that Moffat is great at individual episodes and not so hot at arcs. Overall, though, I think he's done far more good than bad for the series and therefore don't mind him staying in charge for as long as he wants to.
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« Reply #56 on: July 02, 2013, 09:29:23 pm »
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Have you all seen "The Name of the Doctor"? I thought that episode made it clear we were seeing River after the Library ie she survives it/comes back somehow. Doesn't she tell Clara how the Doctor knows he leaves her in the Library and never says anything about it to her? ie she knows he knows?
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I thought it was pretty clear that the River we see in this episode is not the real River Song - she's just a psychic projection of the Doctor's memory of her, which he never acknowledges because guilt/some kind of belief that acknowledging her will be equivalent to saying goodbye - and as such, the whole "I've always been able to see you" and kiss really *is* a second goodbye to her, and quite a dramatic one at that. So much so, that I don't know whether Moffatt's going to bring her back for a while if at all.
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« Reply #57 on: July 03, 2013, 02:24:50 am »
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My favorite companion (of the new series) was Martha Jones.
Donna was probably my least favorite although I didn't mind her that much in the end. Glad that she was gone though.
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« Reply #58 on: July 03, 2013, 03:48:05 am »
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My favorite companion (of the new series) was Martha Jones.
Donna was probably my least favorite although I didn't mind her that much in the end. Glad that she was gone though.

See, I have to admit I was the opposite. I was so thankful with Donna to finally -not- have a companion that was constantly lusting after the Doctor. Martha drove me up the wall with her constant 'woe is me' attitude, and the way she screamed at every shadow that jumped out at her (Human Nature // The Family of Blood, while good episodes, really drove home my dislike of Martha. She -never- put herself on equal footing with the Doctor. Playing his servant was, for all intents, her role in the stories). Even in the finale, when she was supposed to play this great, big part in saving the world, ultimately she was just a servant to the Doctor's plans.

I dunno. To me more than anybody else, Martha was the shining example of what Davros accused the Doctor of turning his companions into. Nothing but weapons to be used.
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« Reply #59 on: July 03, 2013, 03:57:32 am »
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Well, David Tennant was also my favourite Doctor, he just made the show about him and not so much about the companions and I didn't mind that at all.

Heck, I could watch the show if it didn't even have any companions, but maybe that's just me. Most of the time they just get in the way. They're like poor little sheep who have to get rescued over and over and over, because they touched some buttons they weren't allowed to touch or something. Often it's their stupidity that gets them into trouble.

This is why I've always loved River Song, she was strong and the only one equal to the Doctor, the only one able to really amaze him.

To me, the companions have a little bit of that old horror stupidity, you know where you're shouting at the screen "Don't answer the door!" And they answer the door and get killed. I suppose this is needed to offset the Doctor's brilliance, but I could do without.
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« Reply #60 on: July 03, 2013, 10:11:49 am »
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To me, the companions have a little bit of that old horror stupidity, you know where you're shouting at the screen "Don't answer the door!" And they answer the door and get killed. I suppose this is needed to offset the Doctor's brilliance, but I could do without.

As I understand it, originally the companions were there to create a connection to the viewer.  They have to have a bit of naivete to create that connection.

It's another reminder that Doctor Who, despite its setting, is not truly science fiction in the technical sense; like Star Wars, and to a certain extent Star Trek, it is grand fantasy that happens to include space travel, time travel, and aliens.  The Doctor takes Clarke's Third Law to extremes.  He is a demigod by any reasonable standard; the Doctor (and other Time Lords) are not merely brilliant but exceedingly powerful.  The Doctor and the Master compare quite well to Gandalf and Sauron in terms of raw power (and the ways in which each uses their power).

(Digreesion: One could reasonably say that Davros's statement about the Doctor turning innocents into weapons applies pretty well to Gandalf.  Frodo and the other hobbits are manipulated by him into taking on the quest of the Ring, and the other members of the Fellowship were on some level pawns moved into place by Gandalf--Aragorn and Gimli to a greater extent, Boromir and Legolas to a lesser extent.)

Anyway... against the backdrop of such (literally) fantastic power, the viewer needs a person who is no less heroic but much less powerful and, well, naive, human, hopeful.

I do think the romantic subplots with Rose and Martha got a bit out of hand; I was worried about that with Amy, but the inclusion of Rory made that unlikely.  (I have yet to see the Clara episodes, as I'm catching up with all of this on Netflix.

TLDR: The Doctor is a demigod, and the companions necessarily seem weak in power, though not weak in spirit, by comparison.
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« Reply #61 on: July 03, 2013, 11:08:32 am »
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It's another reminder that Doctor Who, despite its setting, is not truly science fiction in the technical sense; like Star Wars, and to a certain extent Star Trek, it is grand fantasy that happens to include space travel, time travel, and aliens.
The best way for me to cause a fight with my friends is to call Dr. Who a fantasy show (which I think it is).  8)
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« Reply #62 on: July 03, 2013, 11:15:24 am »
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I like Clara quite a bit.  Despite the feeling that she's trying to be a slightly-less-gorgeous Amy, I like that they play around with the companion tropes a bit.  Like when the Doctor tells her to stay put and she actually stays put much to his amazement.

P.S. Yes, Doctor Who is totally time-travel fantasy.  Nothing wrong with that.
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« Reply #63 on: July 03, 2013, 11:21:05 am »
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I like Clara quite a bit.  Despite the feeling that she's trying to be a slightly-less-gorgeous Amy, I like that they play around with the companion tropes a bit.  Like when the Doctor tells her to stay put and she actually stays put much to his amazement.
That was the first moment Clara moved from "generic attractive spunky companion" to "character" for me.
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« Reply #64 on: July 03, 2013, 11:41:03 am »
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The best way for me to cause a fight with my friends is to call Dr. Who a fantasy show (which I think it is).  8)

I can't imagine not accepting it as a fantasy show. It has so many instances of hand-waving that I don't even ponder the logic. It has a lot of fluff but sometimes some deep moments. Want to masquerade aliens as humans or a spaceship as the top floor of a house? Some weird gizmo that just makes it happen. No science needed. How does the perception filter work? Who cares? It lets people see a spaceship as a flat. How do those enormous grotesque things fit into a human suit? Who cares? They simply do, and the explanation of the displaced gas is less of a suitable explanation and more of an excuse to have flatulence humor.

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« Reply #65 on: July 03, 2013, 11:43:11 am »
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P.S. Yes, Doctor Who is totally time-travel fantasy.  Nothing wrong with that.

Indeed!  There's nothing at all wrong with fantasy; I don't intend any imprecations by saying that.  Certainly not as a reader of both fantasy and science fiction literature, and as a fan of Star Wars, Star Trek, and Doctor Who.
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« Reply #66 on: July 03, 2013, 11:51:07 am »
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This is why I've always loved River Song, she was strong and the only one equal to the Doctor, the only one able to really amaze him.

To me, the companions have a little bit of that old horror stupidity, you know where you're shouting at the screen "Don't answer the door!" And they answer the door and get killed. I suppose this is needed to offset the Doctor's brilliance, but I could do without.

I like the companions when they're not being snotty. I can see trepidation and accidental pressing of buttons. Sometimes the Doctor tells a companion to do something with a control, and it doesn't make sense for the companion, so he/she screws it up. I can respect that.

I didn't like Amy at first, because she was just so annoying. That's changed. And sometimes even Donna got on my tits when she gets all bull-headed about something in which she's unfamiliar.
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« Reply #67 on: July 03, 2013, 11:59:49 am »
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As long as we're talking our potentially controversial companion choices, why don't we rank them?

River > Amy > Clara > Martha > (Rory's Dad > Donna's Dad >) Rory > Jack > Donna > Rose > Mickey
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« Reply #68 on: July 03, 2013, 01:04:42 pm »
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As long as we're talking our potentially controversial companion choices, why don't we rank them?

River > Amy > Clara > Martha > (Rory's Dad > Donna's Dad >) Rory > Jack > Donna > Rose > Mickey
Donna's Dad is never seen - he died before her first appearance in the series. Presumably you're talking about Wilf, her grandfather. /pedantic
On a less technical note, what about all the other pre-revival companions, or... Adam, Sarah Jane, Astrid (okay, yeah I wouldn't include her either), Craig, or for Pete's sake, at least Jackie?

Anyway, yeah Dr. Who is fantasy (perhaps Science Fantasy or Space Fantasy or I have no problem with Time Travel Fantasy). But Star Trek, no, that's genuinely Sci-Fi. Or at least it was until the last couple movies...

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« Reply #69 on: July 03, 2013, 01:07:20 pm »
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Dr Who is Sci-Fi Opera, it's so surreal and over-the-top sometimes, it at least feels that way. :)
Hey, they even did Dr Who at the Proms, and moreover, I even watched it!
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« Reply #70 on: July 03, 2013, 01:08:26 pm »
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On a less technical note, what about all the other pre-revival companions, or... Adam, Sarah Jane, Astrid (okay, yeah I wouldn't include her either), Craig, or for Pete's sake, at least Jackie?
Haven't seen nearly enough of anyone but the original three...so Ian > Barbara > Susan.
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« Reply #71 on: July 03, 2013, 01:38:33 pm »
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Ian seemed like a pretty solid character from what little I've seen.

Hey, did they ever resolve the fact that the Doctor has a granddaughter? I think I recall (possibly incorrectly) in the Dr. Who specials that they talk about his granddaughter but then just never made mention of it after the first series.

I mean, he had a daughter (kind of), so they could have tied that into Jenny.
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« Reply #72 on: July 03, 2013, 01:47:42 pm »
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Hey, did they ever resolve the fact that the Doctor has a granddaughter? I think I recall (possibly incorrectly) in the Dr. Who specials that they talk about his granddaughter but then just never made mention of it after the first series.

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« Reply #73 on: July 03, 2013, 01:57:21 pm »
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Ian seemed like a pretty solid character from what little I've seen.

Hey, did they ever resolve the fact that the Doctor has a granddaughter? I think I recall (possibly incorrectly) in the Dr. Who specials that they talk about his granddaughter but then just never made mention of it after the first series.

I mean, he had a daughter (kind of), so they could have tied that into Jenny.

Susan was his first companion in the classic series.  She is living on Earth at some point in the future now.
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« Reply #74 on: July 03, 2013, 01:58:46 pm »
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Donna's Dad is never seen - he died before her first appearance in the series. Presumably you're talking about Wilf, her grandfather. /pedantic
On a less technical note, what about all the other pre-revival companions, or... Adam, Sarah Jane, Astrid (okay, yeah I wouldn't include her either), Craig, or for Pete's sake, at least Jackie?

Anyway, yeah Dr. Who is fantasy (perhaps Science Fantasy or Space Fantasy or I have no problem with Time Travel Fantasy). But Star Trek, no, that's genuinely Sci-Fi. Or at least it was until the last couple movies...

Gah!  Yes, I was talking about her Grandfather.  And that isn't the first time I've been corrected on that, I just can't get it into my head that he isn't her father for some reason, maybe because I don't like the Donna episodes enough to watch them much (aside from a few instant classics like Silence in the Library).

Original series companions:

Ace >> everyone else >> Adric

Hmmm more seriously

Ace > The Brigadier > Sarah Jane > Jamie > Romana > Turlugh > Ian > Barbara > Susan > Nyssa > Tegan > Adric

Those are the ones that immediately come to mind in attempting to rank, not sure how I'd fit others in.  I've been watching Davison episodes recently.
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« Reply #75 on: July 03, 2013, 02:31:58 pm »
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Gah!  Yes, I was talking about her Grandfather.  And that isn't the first time I've been corrected on that, I just can't get it into my head that he isn't her father for some reason, maybe because I don't like the Donna episodes enough to watch them much (aside from a few instant classics like Silence in the Library).

Well, and Wilf is a better parent than Donna's mother. Her mother is just downright rotten and miserable, and I just kind of wished that maybe she was replaced with some alien. It does explain why Donna was so neurotic.

But I hate the character of Donna's mother.
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« Reply #76 on: July 03, 2013, 03:15:39 pm »
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Gah!  Yes, I was talking about her Grandfather.  And that isn't the first time I've been corrected on that, I just can't get it into my head that he isn't her father for some reason, maybe because I don't like the Donna episodes enough to watch them much (aside from a few instant classics like Silence in the Library).

Well, and Wilf is a better parent than Donna's mother. Her mother is just downright rotten and miserable, and I just kind of wished that maybe she was replaced with some alien. It does explain why Donna was so neurotic.

But I hate the character of Donna's mother.

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« Reply #77 on: July 03, 2013, 03:21:44 pm »
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I mean, at least I can see where Martha's mother and Rose's mother were coming from. They were overly protective of their daughters who were just whisked away by this madman in a box. So, while their actions initially started off as adversarial, their motivations were pure. Donna's mother was just a jerk through and through. They tried to bring her some redemption at the end when she recognized that her daughter was not just some prat, but it was too late for me.
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« Reply #78 on: July 03, 2013, 03:24:13 pm »
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Hey, did they ever resolve the fact that the Doctor has a granddaughter?
The Doctor mentioning in the most recent season that he traveled somewhere with his granddaughter is the first time in the modern series they've explicitly mentioned Susan and his granddaughter (he's mentioned having a family once, and some other vague stuff)...and then she's seen (played by a body-double) in the most recent episode. Which is interesting as I think it's the first time we've ever got a canon clarification that Susan was with him when he stole the TARDIS and ran away.

But no, overall, big picture, no explanation/clarification. Though he does now have a wife (River) and "daughter" (Jenny), so his having a granddaughter is now less weird, if still unexplained.
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« Reply #79 on: July 03, 2013, 09:52:11 pm »
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Susan was his first companion in the classic series.  She is living on Earth at some point in the future now.
Eh, it gets complicated. Susan left the TARDIS to join a guy in the 21st/22nd Century fighting against the Dalek invasion, but the timeline has changed so much since then that that particular future probably doesn't exist any more. I think it was implied that all Time Lords were effectively conscripted into the Time War, of which the Doctor is the only* survivor, and that that includes Susan. Of course the universe has been rebooted once or twice since that event, but again it's pretty clear that it's still a universe free of excess Time Lords.

But no, overall, big picture, no explanation/clarification. Though he does now have a wife (River) and "daughter" (Jenny), so his having a granddaughter is now less weird, if still unexplained.
Although neither River nor Jenny has any particular bearing on Susan's existence at this point - the Doctor never met either of them prior to his Tennant regeneration, but he did have ~900 years in his first regeneration** in which he apparently became a father and then a grandfather.

* Barring certain edgecases, of which Susan is not explicitly included.
** Which suggests that he's become careless in his old age, having managed to use up 9 regenerations in the span of a few decades, and the current one has lasted 200 years only by virtue of not appearing on screen for most of that time, and apparently that's about as much as he's getting unless there's another time skip in the Christmas special.
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« Reply #80 on: July 04, 2013, 12:51:56 pm »
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But no, overall, big picture, no explanation/clarification. Though he does now have a wife (River) and "daughter" (Jenny), so his having a granddaughter is now less weird, if still unexplained.
Although neither River nor Jenny has any particular bearing on Susan's existence at this point - the Doctor never met either of them prior to his Tennant regeneration, but he did have ~900 years in his first regeneration** in which he apparently became a father and then a grandfather.

* Barring certain edgecases, of which Susan is not explicitly included.
** Which suggests that he's become careless in his old age, having managed to use up 9 regenerations in the span of a few decades, and the current one has lasted 200 years only by virtue of not appearing on screen for most of that time, and apparently that's about as much as he's getting unless there's another time skip in the Christmas special.
But it would be wonderfully timey-wimey, and totally possible, if he becomes a father as 12, for example, and then that person has a daughter (Susan), who ends up traveling with him in his first incarnation. If they ever explain her, I actually assume it'll be something like that.

He didn't have 900 years in his first regeneration at all, unless I'm very much misunderstanding you. I always though (no idea where I got it) that it was about 400 years for 1st Doctor. I mean, yes, 9 is very short and 10 isn't very long. So yeah, he's been blowing through reincarnations lately, but this timeline has always been strange. I think it's odd they're being consistent with it in the new show. He was "thousands" of years old at one point in the old show.
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« Reply #81 on: August 05, 2013, 11:44:39 am »
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Nobody? Well, put me down in the camp that is very excited and happy with yesterday overall.
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« Reply #82 on: August 05, 2013, 12:52:00 pm »
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Nobody? Well, put me down in the camp that is very excited and happy with yesterday overall.

It'll be quite a change.  The only actor older than this to play the Doctor was William Hartnell... and only by a few months.  They may have to tone down the adventurousness of the Doctor, just because what he does might otherwise look incongruous.

Also I think this is the only actor to have appeared previously in an episode (Fires of Pompeii).
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« Reply #83 on: August 05, 2013, 12:55:04 pm »
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Also I think this is the only actor to have appeared previously in an episode (Fires of Pompeii).

He's definitely the only one to have a speaking role, but the 6th doctor (C. Baker) appeared in an episode with the 5th Doctor. He was head of the Time Lord guards tasked with taking the Doctor away to be executed!
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« Reply #84 on: August 05, 2013, 01:49:31 pm »
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I think he'll be great.  Looking forward to it.
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« Reply #85 on: August 06, 2013, 02:55:59 am »
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Nobody? Well, put me down in the camp that is very excited and happy with yesterday overall.

It'll be quite a change.  The only actor older than this to play the Doctor was William Hartnell... and only by a few months.  They may have to tone down the adventurousness of the Doctor, just because what he does might otherwise look incongruous.

Also I think this is the only actor to have appeared previously in an episode (Fires of Pompeii).
Hey, I just noticed that Karen Gillan (who would of course later star as Amy Pond) also appeared in Fires of Pompeii, as a ... wait for it ... Soothsayer!
I guess she gave the Doctor some Gold?
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« Reply #86 on: November 14, 2013, 09:20:28 am »
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« Reply #87 on: November 14, 2013, 10:23:12 am »
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I CAN'T WATCH THIS UNTIL I GET BACK FROM WORK. HOLY ***********************.

Also, I super-lucked out and got 6 tickets for my friends for the theater screening in Chicago for the 50th, and I'm going to a big Doctor Who trivia this weekend...my life has been nothing but Who for the past two weeks and will be for the next two, and it's amazing!
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« Reply #88 on: November 14, 2013, 10:59:46 am »
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I CAN'T WATCH THIS UNTIL I GET BACK FROM WORK. HOLY ***********************.

Also, I super-lucked out and got 6 tickets for my friends for the theater screening in Chicago for the 50th, and I'm going to a big Doctor Who trivia this weekend...my life has been nothing but Who for the past two weeks and will be for the next two, and it's amazing!

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« Reply #89 on: November 14, 2013, 11:36:04 am »
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Nobody? Well, put me down in the camp that is very excited and happy with yesterday overall.

It'll be quite a change.  The only actor older than this to play the Doctor was William Hartnell... and only by a few months.  They may have to tone down the adventurousness of the Doctor, just because what he does might otherwise look incongruous.

Also I think this is the only actor to have appeared previously in an episode (Fires of Pompeii).
Hey, I just noticed that Karen Gillan (who would of course later star as Amy Pond) also appeared in Fires of Pompeii, as a ... wait for it ... Soothsayer!
I guess she gave the Doctor some Gold?

Freema Agyeman (Martha Jones) also appeared in an episode as someone else, one of the cybermen episodes before she was a full time role.

I also have quite a crush on Jenna Coleman...
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« Reply #90 on: November 14, 2013, 11:39:10 am »
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Freema Agyeman (Martha Jones) also appeared in an episode as someone else, one of the cybermen episodes before she was a full time role.

I think they later say that was her cousin (as their ret-con). I actually re-watched that two-parter last night. It's Rose's goodbye episode (at least, it should have been!).
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« Reply #91 on: November 14, 2013, 11:41:23 am »
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How many final appearances has she had now?
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« Reply #92 on: November 14, 2013, 11:45:50 am »
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How many final appearances has she had now?

Well, does in-universe stuff like the fact the Doctor intended to leave her behind in "The Parting of the Ways" count?
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« Reply #93 on: November 14, 2013, 12:11:57 pm »
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How many final appearances has she had now?

She left at the end of S2.
She was back at the end of S4.
She got her goodbye at the end of Tennant's specials.
She's back again* in some form in the 50th

Freema played "her own cousin" back in the series finale of S2, before she was cast as the companion for S3.
Karen played a Soothsayer in episode 2 of S4, "Fires of Pompeii" before being cast as the companion in S5.
Peter Capaldi played a Father in "Fires of Pompeii" before being cast as the next Doctor, following Smith.

Also, crossover to Torchwood, but Eve Myles played a character in Episode 3 of S1 (can't recall character name) before being cast in Torchwood.

And honestly, even prior to the reboot it was a fairly common occurrence for people to play different parts prior to being full-cast. The BBC tends to use a relatively small (seemingly) selection of actors when it comes to their shows. Once you've made it, you're in everything (not that I'm complaining. The talent is certainly worth it!).


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« Reply #94 on: November 14, 2013, 12:13:51 pm »
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And yes, I refer to the sessions from the reboot perspective if I'm talking current Who, because it's just easier. :P
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« Reply #95 on: November 14, 2013, 03:43:46 pm »
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Also, crossover to Torchwood, but Eve Myles played a character in Episode 3 of S1 (can't recall character name) before being cast in Torchwood.

That character's name was Gwyneth.  And her character in Torchwood is Gwen.  Rose does a double take about this when they meet Gwen at Torchwood in S4, and the Doctor explains it away with some timey-wimey mumbo-jumbo.
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« Reply #96 on: November 14, 2013, 04:17:04 pm »
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I recently asked a Dr. Who fan where to start watching if I wanted to try to get into it.  She said "Tennant" then work backwards.  Is that right?

I think I'll just stick to the TRUE longest running sci-fi show ever, Stargate.  It was never canceled a million times, you know.

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« Reply #97 on: November 14, 2013, 04:21:56 pm »
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I recently asked a Dr. Who fan where to start watching if I wanted to try to get into it.  She said "Tennant" then work backwards.  Is that right?

Eh, I wouldn't actually say that. I'd say start from the beginning if you like old-time TV or radio and are a completist uber-nerd (like me!). Otherwise start with "Rose" (Ninth Doctor) or "The Eleventh Hour" (Eleventh Doctor). If you don't like Ninth Doctor, there's only one season and then you have Tennant (Tenth Doctor), who is usually everyone's favorite in the new series. Plus, the show is designed to be started with 9 (and 11, in a small way) in that they make sure to explain the world etc. etc. whereas it's a bit more "deep end" if you go with the start of 10.

But it's not like it's a cerebral murder mystery or anything, you can truly start anywhere you want and you'll be fine.
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« Reply #98 on: November 14, 2013, 04:35:11 pm »
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I recently asked a Dr. Who fan where to start watching if I wanted to try to get into it.  She said "Tennant" then work backwards.  Is that right?

Eh, I wouldn't actually say that. I'd say start from the beginning if you like old-time TV or radio and are a completist uber-nerd (like me!). Otherwise start with "Rose" (Ninth Doctor) or "The Eleventh Hour" (Eleventh Doctor). If you don't like Ninth Doctor, there's only one season and then you have Tennant (Tenth Doctor), who is usually everyone's favorite in the new series. Plus, the show is designed to be started with 9 (and 11, in a small way) in that they make sure to explain the world etc. etc. whereas it's a bit more "deep end" if you go with the start of 10.

But it's not like it's a cerebral murder mystery or anything, you can truly start anywhere you want and you'll be fine.

Indeed, much like TNG, or for that matter the original Star Trek, the series is very episodic.  There are certainly arcs--you should probably avoid the various series finales, because they all but require watching the rest of the season (or more, the S6 finale essentially requires you to have seen back to S4, won't say any more, spoilers you know).

Lots of people recommend starting with "Blink," which is actually the first of the new series that I saw.  But I think just starting with the Ninth Doctor is usually the best.
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Some of the retro ones were a bit like SG1 when it ran out of funding (flashback shows, and ones entirely set indoors or on base)
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Yeah, I'm not a massive fan but I've watched most of the new series, definitely skip all the old retro ones unless you turn into a massive fan.

Some of the retro ones were a bit like SG1 when it ran out of funding (flashback shows, and ones entirely set indoors or on base)
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« Reply #101 on: November 14, 2013, 04:54:01 pm »
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Yeah, I'm not a massive fan but I've watched most of the new series, definitely skip all the old retro ones unless you turn into a massive fan.

Some of the retro ones were a bit like SG1 when it ran out of funding (flashback shows, and ones entirely set indoors or on base)
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You should definitely start with "Rose."  There is nothing as blatantly unwatchable as typical Season 1 TNG in NuWho.  And hey, a lot of people like the 9th Doctor the most too. 
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Also, just watching a Dr Who themed Never Mind the Buzzcocks, Bernard Cribbins is awesome and pretty sure Catherine Tate is wasted...
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I just really don't like the Eccleston dude.  I've never seen his Dr. Who, but I don't like him in anything else.
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« Reply #106 on: November 14, 2013, 05:26:58 pm »
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I just really don't like the Eccleston dude.  I've never seen his Dr. Who, but I don't like him in anything else.

I freakin' loved him in Heroes.

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My sister just recently god super obsessed with this. I watched the first couple episodes of the first season, wasn't all that impressed. Then again, they say that the first season is the worst...
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« Reply #108 on: November 14, 2013, 06:00:20 pm »
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I just really don't like the Eccleston dude.  I've never seen his Dr. Who, but I don't like him in anything else.

I freakin' loved him in Heroes.

Oh god I just admitted I watched that show

Heroes was excellent until the Writer's Strike.  I still saw it through to the end though, because I am loyal to a fault when it comes to TV shows.
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« Reply #109 on: November 14, 2013, 06:03:09 pm »
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My sister just recently god super obsessed with this. I watched the first couple episodes of the first season, wasn't all that impressed. Then again, they say that the first season is the worst...

It just slowly gets better and better. I'm re-watching it right now (the early stuff from 2005ish, that is) and it's barely recognizable as the same show with the 11th Doctor in it from a production point of view (by which I mean better writing, acting, directing, cinematography, the whole nine yards).
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I'm finding it funny how everybody talks about the early episodes meaning from several years ago when my dad is watching the ACTUAL early episodes (60s).
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I'm finding it funny how everybody talks about the early episodes meaning from several years ago when my dad is watching the ACTUAL early episodes (60s).

I mean, I'm doing that too! I'm currently up to "The Space Museum" (watching in order, I've seen many random episodes from then on).

I'm dressing up as the First Doctor for the 50th and everything.
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« Reply #112 on: November 14, 2013, 09:41:00 pm »
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Also, just watching a Dr Who themed Never Mind the Buzzcocks, Bernard Cribbins is awesome and pretty sure Catherine Tate is wasted...


.... Is Bernard Cribbins ever NOT just the most adorable and completely awesome person ever?

.... and is Catherine Tate ever actually sober?
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« Reply #113 on: November 15, 2013, 05:35:39 am »
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I just really don't like the Eccleston dude.  I've never seen his Dr. Who, but I don't like him in anything else.

I freakin' loved him in Heroes.

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I, too, watched all of heroes.  Season 3b was good, but everything else was a train wreck.  I kept hoping and hoping it would improve.
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« Reply #115 on: November 15, 2013, 08:32:15 am »
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I watched up to the end of series 1, which then had the massive cop out.

And then was ruined from 2 onwards pretty much by the writers efforts to make it never ending.

It started off with a few special people with powers and a big bad guy.

Sylar should have died at the end of series 1, thats what it was building up too and it not happening was a massive cop out which implied lack of original ideas and the need to carry over the same ideas.

By the end of it, everyone had special powers, even the guy who was investigating them.
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I watched up to the end of series 1, which then had the massive cop out.

And then was ruined from 2 onwards pretty much by the writers efforts to make it never ending.

So, you should like Season 5 onwards better. It's much more episodic and much less dependent on previous stuff. Much more like Season 1 -- only with a bigger budget, better companions, and fewer cop-outs!
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« Reply #117 on: November 15, 2013, 10:13:22 am »
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I watched up to the end of series 1, which then had the massive cop out.

And then was ruined from 2 onwards pretty much by the writers efforts to make it never ending.

So, you should like Season 5 onwards better. It's much more episodic and much less dependent on previous stuff. Much more like Season 1 -- only with a bigger budget, better companions, and fewer cop-outs!

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« Reply #118 on: November 15, 2013, 10:35:56 am »
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I watched up to the end of series 1, which then had the massive cop out.

And then was ruined from 2 onwards pretty much by the writers efforts to make it never ending.

So, you should like Season 5 onwards better. It's much more episodic and much less dependent on previous stuff. Much more like Season 1 -- only with a bigger budget, better companions, and fewer cop-outs!

He is talking about Heroes

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« Reply #119 on: November 15, 2013, 12:12:11 pm »
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Blink has to be the episode. This is the episode I show to someone who had not seen Doctor Who before.
This is the episode my friend used to introduce me to Doctor Who.

The show is very intriguing a lot of the time. I haven't seen any of the classics. I've watched most of the first two seasons, but not much else.

It's hard to say what my favourite episode or alien/monster is, as I haven't seen those episodes in a while. "The Empty Child"/"The Doctor Dances" stuck out for me though, as did "The Girl in the Fireplace". I could have liked the Daleks if they weren't so overused, even in the reboot.
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« Reply #120 on: November 15, 2013, 02:12:49 pm »
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Blink has to be the episode. This is the episode I show to someone who had not seen Doctor Who before.
This is the episode my friend used to introduce me to Doctor Who.

The show is very intriguing a lot of the time. I haven't seen any of the classics. I've watched most of the first two seasons, but not much else.

It's hard to say what my favourite episode or alien/monster is, as I haven't seen those episodes in a while. "The Empty Child"/"The Doctor Dances" stuck out for me though, as did "The Girl in the Fireplace". I could have liked the Daleks if they weren't so overused, even in the reboot.

All 4 episodes mentioned in this post were written by Steven Moffat. While I still enjoy the series immensely, I feel that very little written by Moffat since he took over as head showrunner from RTD has reached the height of the above four episodes. He was at his best when all he had to do was tell a story, instead of write a series.
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Its Children in Need tonight.......there is usually a Doctor Who part
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« Reply #122 on: November 15, 2013, 03:55:06 pm »
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Its Children in Need tonight.......there is usually a Doctor Who part

It was a 2-minute clip from the 50th...you can watch it here, unless you're me, in which case you're stuck at work.
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« Reply #123 on: November 17, 2013, 09:51:35 am »
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I just got into the show some time ago... Watched the first season which had the eleventh doctor (Smith) and really liked it. I have no access to his next season, so right now i'm watching the first season of #9 (Ecclestone) and while i don't like them as much, it's probably because i'm not used to the doctors old face. Or is it new? Damn that time travelling...

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« Reply #124 on: November 18, 2013, 01:54:22 pm »
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I just really don't like the Eccleston dude.  I've never seen his Dr. Who, but I don't like him in anything else.

I thought he was brilliant in Shallow Grave. His character wasn't all that likable, but then again, all of the characters were pretty much jerks. You felt sorry and repulsed by all of them at different stages.

I recently saw him in eXistenZ, though his character was a bit of a bore (which was admitted in the story as well, which was interesting).

He's an interesting Doctor, though he is not as whimsical as Tenant and Smith. He's cavalier about what's happening, but he also has a bit of a callous side to him.

I would say that Tenant and Smith are more fun.

I'm not familiar with the previous Doctors, though I have Netflix now and could remedy that.
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« Reply #125 on: November 18, 2013, 03:24:53 pm »
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I just really don't like the Eccleston dude.  I've never seen his Dr. Who, but I don't like him in anything else.

I thought he was brilliant in Shallow Grave. His character wasn't all that likable, but then again, all of the characters were pretty much jerks. You felt sorry and repulsed by all of them at different stages.

I recently saw him in eXistenZ, though his character was a bit of a bore (which was admitted in the story as well, which was interesting).

He's an interesting Doctor, though he is not as whimsical as Tenant and Smith. He's cavalier about what's happening, but he also has a bit of a callous side to him.

I would say that Tenant and Smith are more fun.

I'm not familiar with the previous Doctors, though I have Netflix now and could remedy that.

And yet really, you have to view him for who the character is at that point in the story. He's just come (or recently enough, anyway) from the Time War. He's very scarred, and very rough still. He's lost a lot of the life and whimsical nature that is often associated with The Doctor. He just went through a transformation of sorts (different than Regeneration), and he's not yet healed from the things that he did in the name of... Justice? Righteousness? Self-Reward? Anger?... Who knows. (Hopefully all of us quite soon!)

It's what makes the story of Rose so poignant. The Doctor so often saves humanity, but here she is, saving him. This is very well written in the story of "Dalek", when Rose puts herself between the Dalek and the Doctor, begging the Doctor not to harm the Dalek. The Doctor's war crazed anger and fury releases as he demands Rose move so that he can destroy this thing that has caused so much damage throughout the universe - this thing that is a danger to the very existence of reality, and Rose responds "He's not the one pointing a gun at me".

Yes, Eccleston lacks the whimsy and compassion and overall likability that Smith or Tenant bring. But for who he is emotionally, I think he's quite perfect for the role.
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Regeneration), and he's not yet healed from the things that he did in the name of... Justice? Righteousness? Self-Reward? Anger?... Who knows. (Hopefully all of us quite soon!)

I don't think it's too much of a spoiler (at this point) to say that he did it in the name of Peace and Sanity.  Very specifically.
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« Reply #127 on: November 18, 2013, 04:23:31 pm »
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I was flipping through the channels and stopped on a random Dr. Who.  The doctor was extremely young looking.  I was immediately uninterested by whatever was happening (something with Daleks in the title) and the doctor was unimpressive to say the least.

I clearly need to start with a different Doctor than that one.
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« Reply #128 on: November 18, 2013, 04:30:04 pm »
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I was flipping through the channels and stopped on a random Dr. Who.  The doctor was extremely young looking.  I was immediately uninterested by whatever was happening (something with Daleks in the title) and the doctor was unimpressive to say the least.

I clearly need to start with a different Doctor than that one.

That's presumably the current Doctor, Matt Smith.  He's actually quite good.  Maybe you just need to start with a different episode?  (Or alternately just from the beginning of the episode.)
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« Reply #129 on: November 18, 2013, 04:36:11 pm »
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I was flipping through the channels and stopped on a random Dr. Who.  The doctor was extremely young looking.  I was immediately uninterested by whatever was happening (something with Daleks in the title) and the doctor was unimpressive to say the least.

I clearly need to start with a different Doctor than that one.

That's presumably the current Doctor, Matt Smith.  He's actually quite good.  Maybe you just need to start with a different episode?  (Or alternately just from the beginning of the episode.)

I just re-watched The Eleventh Hour recently (Matt Smith's first episode), and it's better than I remember (I remember it being very good). It should be a great introduction to the show.

And honestly, it's not for everyone. If you keep not liking it, it might just not be your thing.
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« Reply #130 on: November 18, 2013, 04:52:34 pm »
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I was flipping through the channels and stopped on a random Dr. Who.  The doctor was extremely young looking.  I was immediately uninterested by whatever was happening (something with Daleks in the title) and the doctor was unimpressive to say the least.

I clearly need to start with a different Doctor than that one.

That's presumably the current Doctor, Matt Smith.  He's actually quite good.  Maybe you just need to start with a different episode?  (Or alternately just from the beginning of the episode.)

I just re-watched The Eleventh Hour recently (Matt Smith's first episode), and it's better than I remember (I remember it being very good). It should be a great introduction to the show.

And honestly, it's not for everyone. If you keep not liking it, it might just not be your thing.

It seems like it should be my thing, though.  As mentioned, I adore SG:1/Atlantis/Universe.  I did the TNG thing.  Lost.  Fringe (randomly met John Noble recently, btw).  Etc.

Then again, I found Firefly to be horribly overrated by Whedonites around the world.  Nice show and all, but it was basically Farscape with better CGI.  Nowhere near as good as Angel.
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« Reply #131 on: November 18, 2013, 05:31:59 pm »
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« Reply #132 on: November 18, 2013, 05:34:08 pm »
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Then again, I found Firefly to be horribly overrated ...  Nowhere near as good as Angel.

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« Reply #133 on: November 19, 2013, 01:00:19 pm »
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Then again, I found Firefly to be horribly overrated ...  Nowhere near as good as Angel.

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Too late already did.

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« Reply #134 on: November 19, 2013, 03:21:12 pm »
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Then again, I found Firefly to be horribly overrated ...  Nowhere near as good as Angel.

You're dead to me.

You should just curse at me in fake Chinese.

Too late already did.

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Atlantis, obviously.  Or back in time in Soviet Russia.
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« Reply #135 on: November 20, 2013, 12:20:45 am »
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« Reply #136 on: November 20, 2013, 09:47:19 am »
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/aaron-sagers/exclusive-tom-baker-to-ap_b_4295773.html

Can... can it be true? Is Four really coming back?

If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is.

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« Reply #137 on: November 20, 2013, 09:49:06 am »
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Well, they got Davison and McGann already so anything's possible I guess.  It'd be cool to see Tom Baker (or Colin or McCoy), but I can't imagine him playing a big role.
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« Reply #141 on: November 20, 2013, 03:03:22 pm »
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Anyone know where it's possible to see the Mini-sode "The Last Day" that was released today?

http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/50th-minisode-the-last-day-55748.htm
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« Reply #142 on: November 20, 2013, 03:24:01 pm »
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Anyone know where it's possible to see the Mini-sode "The Last Day" that was released today?

http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/50th-minisode-the-last-day-55748.htm

Well that was... less exciting than one could have hoped.
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« Reply #143 on: November 21, 2013, 08:43:39 am »
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« Reply #144 on: November 21, 2013, 03:34:01 pm »
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Why is he Dr. Who and not Dr. When?
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« Reply #145 on: November 22, 2013, 04:00:38 am »
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Happy 50th guys, enjoy Google's Doodle! http://www.google.com

Funny Trivia: The next actor portraying doctor Who, Peter Capaldi, played a WHO doctor in the movie World War Z.

WHO stands for World Health Organization in this contest, still I found it pretty funny.
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« Reply #146 on: November 22, 2013, 01:14:08 pm »
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I watched An Adventure in Space and Time last night (historical drama about the start of Doctor Who, written by current DW and Sherlock writer Mark Gatiss). It's amazing. You should watch it too.
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« Reply #147 on: November 22, 2013, 01:28:01 pm »
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I watched An Adventure in Space and Time last night (historical drama about the start of Doctor Who, written by current DW and Sherlock writer Mark Gatiss). It's amazing. You should watch it too.

It doesn't air until tonight. I'll be at work. :(
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« Reply #148 on: November 22, 2013, 01:50:29 pm »
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I watched An Adventure in Space and Time last night (historical drama about the start of Doctor Who, written by current DW and Sherlock writer Mark Gatiss). It's amazing. You should watch it too.

Really? I am surprised! I wasn't planning on watching it, but maybe I will.
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« Reply #149 on: November 22, 2013, 01:54:35 pm »
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I watched An Adventure in Space and Time last night (historical drama about the start of Doctor Who, written by current DW and Sherlock writer Mark Gatiss). It's amazing. You should watch it too.

Really? I am surprised! I wasn't planning on watching it, but maybe I will.

You don't even have to know/care much about the early days of the show to enjoy it - my roommate, who has only seen the modern series (and isn't mega-obsessed with it or anything, but does like it) also thought it was fantastic.
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« Reply #150 on: November 22, 2013, 02:12:43 pm »
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I watched An Adventure in Space and Time last night (historical drama about the start of Doctor Who, written by current DW and Sherlock writer Mark Gatiss). It's amazing. You should watch it too.

Really? I am surprised! I wasn't planning on watching it, but maybe I will.

David Bradley, while perhaps not carrying the voice of Hartnell, is a still a striking image of likeness in mannerisms and attitude. And from what I understand, Jessica Raine really shines.

Mark Gatiss did something similar to this years ago, and it really wasn't up to standard - but having that experience under his belt, An Adventure in Space and Time is a wonderful trip back to the early days of Who.

Plus, c'mon, how awesome is the idea of bringing TV of 50 years ago back to life in color and modern times? All of a sudden, an era so distant (not in time, mind you, but in technological evolution) becomes connected to the world we know and see today. All of a sudden, the show of our childhood, or the show of our parents, relates to what we know to be Doctor Who today - and that's important, because the show we watch today simply isn't the show of 50 years ago. TV has changed, and with it so have the shows we love. For Doctor Who, especially in this, it's 50th year, the feeling of connection to the roots of the show is very nice indeed.

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Tried to watch a random episode last night.  The tv said it was season 17...looked like Black Adder in space without the comedy.  Felt old.  Was that an old one?  The doc had crazy big hair, a hippie girlfriend, and was talking to the bad guy officers from The original Star Wars.
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« Reply #152 on: November 22, 2013, 05:35:35 pm »
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Tried to watch a random episode last night.  The tv said it was season 17...looked like Black Adder in space without the comedy.  Felt old.  Was that an old one?  The doc had crazy big hair, a hippie girlfriend, and was talking to the bad guy officers from The original Star Wars.

Season 17? That would have been Fourth Doctor, the old show (your episode is from either 1979 or 1980). That's the critical consensus best Doctor of the old series (you'll invoke the DW version of Kirk/Picard debating Fourth Doctor/Tenth Doctor). I don't know what serial you were watching, maybe someone else can ID it from your Star Wars clue.
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« Reply #153 on: November 22, 2013, 05:39:10 pm »
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Its bloody every otherprogram about Dr Who here at the moment.

Its getting a bit annoying, next up is 'the science of Dr Who' as if they have ever followed scientific principles or anything

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« Reply #154 on: November 22, 2013, 05:43:37 pm »
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Its bloody every otherprogram about Dr Who here at the moment.

Its getting a bit annoying, next up is 'the science of Dr Who' as if they have ever followed scientific principles or anything

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« Reply #156 on: November 22, 2013, 05:45:38 pm »
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Its bloody every otherprogram about Dr Who here at the moment.

Its getting a bit annoying, next up is 'the science of Dr Who' as if they have ever followed scientific principles or anything

While we don't have it on BBC1, 2, 3, 4 etc...

BBCA has been running every current episode from Ecclestone to Smith, in order, broken only long enough to show the specials (Science of, Companions of, Stories from, etc). This started Tuesday at 6:00 am and is running through Saturday. I think between 4:00-5:00 am each morning they do an hour of BBC World News, but that's it for anything not Doctor Who.
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« Reply #157 on: November 22, 2013, 05:57:49 pm »
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Its bloody every otherprogram about Dr Who here at the moment.

Its getting a bit annoying, next up is 'the science of Dr Who' as if they have ever followed scientific principles or anything

While we don't have it on BBC1, 2, 3, 4 etc...

BBCA has been running every current episode from Ecclestone to Smith, in order, broken only long enough to show the specials (Science of, Companions of, Stories from, etc). This started Tuesday at 6:00 am and is running through Saturday. I think between 4:00-5:00 am each morning they do an hour of BBC World News, but that's it for anything not Doctor Who.

BBCA also got those "The Doctor Revisited" specials while the real BBC didn't.

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« Reply #158 on: November 22, 2013, 06:22:23 pm »
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Tried to watch a random episode last night.  The tv said it was season 17...looked like Black Adder in space without the comedy.  Felt old.  Was that an old one?  The doc had crazy big hair, a hippie girlfriend, and was talking to the bad guy officers from The original Star Wars.

Season 17? That would have been Fourth Doctor, the old show (your episode is from either 1979 or 1980). That's the critical consensus best Doctor of the old series (you'll invoke the DW version of Kirk/Picard debating Fourth Doctor/Tenth Doctor). I don't know what serial you were watching, maybe someone else can ID it from your Star Wars clue.

It was Part 3 of something, if that helps.
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« Reply #159 on: November 22, 2013, 06:33:07 pm »
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Tried to watch a random episode last night.  The tv said it was season 17...looked like Black Adder in space without the comedy.  Felt old.  Was that an old one?  The doc had crazy big hair, a hippie girlfriend, and was talking to the bad guy officers from The original Star Wars.

Season 17? That would have been Fourth Doctor, the old show (your episode is from either 1979 or 1980). That's the critical consensus best Doctor of the old series (you'll invoke the DW version of Kirk/Picard debating Fourth Doctor/Tenth Doctor). I don't know what serial you were watching, maybe someone else can ID it from your Star Wars clue.

It was Part 3 of something, if that helps.

Unfortunately it doesn't. Everything that season was a 4-parter.

You're definitely not consuming it in a good way by watching a random episode of a serial - they're broadcast in parts and will likely seem pretty random/nonsensical on their own. A random serial (multi-part episode from the old series) or random episode (from the new series) is the only way to go.

It gets a little tricky with the different formats between the old/new!
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« Reply #160 on: November 22, 2013, 06:40:07 pm »
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Thats the thing though, they are showing everything EXCEPT Dr Who episodes!
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« Reply #161 on: November 22, 2013, 07:14:01 pm »
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Tried to watch a random episode last night.  The tv said it was season 17...looked like Black Adder in space without the comedy.  Felt old.  Was that an old one?  The doc had crazy big hair, a hippie girlfriend, and was talking to the bad guy officers from The original Star Wars.

Season 17? That would have been Fourth Doctor, the old show (your episode is from either 1979 or 1980). That's the critical consensus best Doctor of the old series (you'll invoke the DW version of Kirk/Picard debating Fourth Doctor/Tenth Doctor). I don't know what serial you were watching, maybe someone else can ID it from your Star Wars clue.

It was Part 3 of something, if that helps.

Unfortunately it doesn't. Everything that season was a 4-parter.

You're definitely not consuming it in a good way by watching a random episode of a serial - they're broadcast in parts and will likely seem pretty random/nonsensical on their own. A random serial (multi-part episode from the old series) or random episode (from the new series) is the only way to go.

It gets a little tricky with the different formats between the old/new!

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« Reply #162 on: November 22, 2013, 08:16:03 pm »
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So tomorrow the university society I'm kind of still part of (it's where I play board games for 8 hours a week :P) is doing a Doctor Who special, watching some favourite old series and new ones over the course of the afternoon, followed by - obviously - the 50th anniversary episode in the evening. Should be pretty exciting.
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« Reply #163 on: November 23, 2013, 10:15:25 am »
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« Reply #164 on: November 23, 2013, 10:39:31 am »
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It's today!!!

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« Reply #165 on: November 23, 2013, 10:43:29 am »
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#SaveTheDay

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« Reply #166 on: November 23, 2013, 10:53:44 am »
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#SaveTheDay

Up in San Francisco now, getting an early breakfast before finding the theatre!

You lucky dog, you, living in a city where the simulcast is in the theater!

I, alas, do not have that luxury, nor do I have cable, so I'll be buying it on Amazon tomorrow.

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« Reply #167 on: November 23, 2013, 11:23:46 am »
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This is going to be a massive anti climax you realise?

The cinema here is doing it in 3D, but cant be arsed.
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« Reply #168 on: November 23, 2013, 03:03:16 pm »
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hang on, have i missed something

last bit i remember was Clara entered the doctors timestream and was fighting his battles in there. Now she is back teaching at a school? Did I miss something?
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« Reply #169 on: November 23, 2013, 04:22:31 pm »
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Whooooooo! The special was so good!
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« Reply #170 on: November 23, 2013, 04:25:36 pm »
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Apart from the really stupid bit...
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« Reply #171 on: November 23, 2013, 06:12:20 pm »
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Yeah, the plot had problems, but it always does. I generally dislike the "big" episodes (finales especially, Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways is the only one I kinda like, and even that has that giant Deus Ex Machina), but this was really much more fun than I anticipated it to be. I thought we would get the regen into Capaldi though, so I guess they're keeping that for Christmas ?
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« Reply #172 on: November 23, 2013, 06:42:11 pm »
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Yeah, regen is Christmas

So is no one else find it terrible the way that the Daleks killed themselves by the planet suddenly dissapearing? That somehow A) all the of the Daleks were at that one point in time and space, and that the flow of weapons (which we could see, and wasn't complete coverage by any stretch) went across the gap and managed to hit every other dalek in existence? These are some of the most fiendish warriors in existence...

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« Reply #173 on: November 24, 2013, 11:22:38 am »
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It was amazing.
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« Reply #174 on: November 25, 2013, 04:54:57 pm »
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After a manic effort to finish Season 7 Part 2 before Saturday, I very much enjoyed the anniversary special. What I'd like to know is how much time is meant to have passed between the newly revealed Doctor 9 Hurt and us seeing him as Doctor 10 Ecclestone. Though interesting they are saying it's all Bad Wolf doing a super sort out...
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« Reply #175 on: November 25, 2013, 05:00:50 pm »
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After a manic effort to finish Season 7 Part 2 before Saturday, I very much enjoyed the anniversary special. What I'd like to know is how much time is meant to have passed between the newly revealed Doctor 9 Hurt and us seeing him as Doctor 10 Ecclestone. Though interesting they are saying it's all Bad Wolf doing a super sort out...

He's shown to be very young after 8 regenerates into him in the special "Night of the Doctor," so it's been many years (based on how long real-world Hurt aged, at least 30 years, but Time Lords don't age nearly as fast as humans, so it could be hundreds).
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« Reply #176 on: November 25, 2013, 11:47:31 pm »
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So.... Are we changing the numbering of New Who Doctors now? Or is John Hurt 8.5? Everything is confusing.

But also, everything is wonderful. I thought the 50th was four zillion kinds of amazing.
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« Reply #177 on: November 26, 2013, 12:38:58 am »
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So.... Are we changing the numbering of New Who Doctors now? Or is John Hurt 8.5? Everything is confusing.

But also, everything is wonderful. I thought the 50th was four zillion kinds of amazing.
Everyone seems to be sticking to the existing numbering, with John Hurt being 8.5, or "The War Doctor", or otherwise "the one that doesn't count".

And yes, it was amazing. It had issues, but there was so much awesome to compensate.
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« Reply #178 on: November 26, 2013, 12:50:09 am »
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Also, a thought... is John Hurt's Doctor the thing that was in Eleven's room in The God Complex?
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« Reply #179 on: November 26, 2013, 02:26:00 am »
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Also, a thought... is John Hurt's Doctor the thing that was in Eleven's room in The God Complex?

Presumably. But that was clearly written so that anything could be the answer, or retconned to be the answer.
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« Reply #180 on: November 26, 2013, 06:09:48 am »
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John Hurt's doctor doesn't call himself so, that's why he's not included in the Doctor numerals. Also, it's more practical than retroactively naming Eccleston Ten, Tennant Eleven and Smith Twelve.
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« Reply #181 on: November 26, 2013, 07:39:28 am »
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He doesn't at the start but he does by the end...

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« Reply #182 on: November 26, 2013, 07:51:37 am »
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He doesn't at the start but he does by the end...

Has anyone see Galz since Saturday? I wonder if he has exploded out of joy...

But he doesn't remember when he goes back to his own time stream. That was the key to making it all work out reasonably in the end. The Doctor will think that he destroyed the planet (so nothing about the future changes) until he becomes the 11th when in fact he realizes there is a chance the planet is saved.
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« Reply #183 on: November 26, 2013, 05:11:08 pm »
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John Hurt's doctor doesn't call himself so, that's why he's not included in the Doctor numerals. Also, it's more practical than retroactively naming Eccleston Ten, Tennant Eleven and Smith Twelve.

John Hurt isn't a "Doctor" in the numerical sense because he wasn't a regeneration. Paul Mcgann died in the spaceship crash during Night of the Doctor. Had he regenerated right then, it (presumably) would've been into Ecclestone (Or rather, the Eighth would've regenerated into the Ninth). However, his body was suspended in death, prior to regenerating, so that he could become the Warrior. At the conclusion of Day of the Doctor, John Hurt proceeded to regenerate because the need of a Warrior was no more, and thus his Eighth incarnation was finally "allowed" to regenerate.
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« Reply #184 on: November 26, 2013, 05:17:02 pm »
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John Hurt's doctor doesn't call himself so, that's why he's not included in the Doctor numerals. Also, it's more practical than retroactively naming Eccleston Ten, Tennant Eleven and Smith Twelve.

John Hurt isn't a "Doctor" in the numerical sense because he wasn't a regeneration. Paul Mcgann died in the spaceship crash during Night of the Doctor. Had he regenerated right then, it (presumably) would've been into Ecclestone (Or rather, the Eighth would've regenerated into the Ninth). However, his body was suspended in death, prior to regenerating, so that he could become the Warrior. At the conclusion of Day of the Doctor, John Hurt proceeded to regenerate because the need of a Warrior was no more, and thus his Eighth incarnation was finally "allowed" to regenerate.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I have seen this stated elsewhere and I have no idea why people think it! That is not implied at all by "Night of the Doctor". The Sisterhood simply offered control over the regeneration beyond what he normally has - it was still clearly a regeneration, and referred to as such. Moffat has made it extremely clear in interviews that Hurt is a full regeneration and while I guess your interpretation is not contradicted by the events on screen it seems 100% against the obvious meaning of things. I'm also 99% certain we'll get a clarification on this at Christmas.
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« Reply #185 on: November 26, 2013, 06:53:56 pm »
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John Hurt's doctor doesn't call himself so, that's why he's not included in the Doctor numerals. Also, it's more practical than retroactively naming Eccleston Ten, Tennant Eleven and Smith Twelve.

John Hurt isn't a "Doctor" in the numerical sense because he wasn't a regeneration. Paul Mcgann died in the spaceship crash during Night of the Doctor. Had he regenerated right then, it (presumably) would've been into Ecclestone (Or rather, the Eighth would've regenerated into the Ninth). However, his body was suspended in death, prior to regenerating, so that he could become the Warrior. At the conclusion of Day of the Doctor, John Hurt proceeded to regenerate because the need of a Warrior was no more, and thus his Eighth incarnation was finally "allowed" to regenerate.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I have seen this stated elsewhere and I have no idea why people think it! That is not implied at all by "Night of the Doctor". The Sisterhood simply offered control over the regeneration beyond what he normally has - it was still clearly a regeneration, and referred to as such. Moffat has made it extremely clear in interviews that Hurt is a full regeneration and while I guess your interpretation is not contradicted by the events on screen it seems 100% against the obvious meaning of things. I'm also 99% certain we'll get a clarification on this at Christmas.

I assume that they'll have a big thing with Capaldi, possibly finding Gallifrey, and getting extra regens, probably at the end of *his* run, but I doubt they'll waste that before. I assume Christmas is going to have The Silence, the big "Dr. WHO" question, Transillor, and some battle where he dies but then of course gets out of it somehow.
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« Reply #186 on: November 26, 2013, 07:42:58 pm »
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I assume that they'll have a big thing with Capaldi, possibly finding Gallifrey, and getting extra regens, probably at the end of *his* run, but I doubt they'll waste that before. I assume Christmas is going to have The Silence, the big "Dr. WHO" question, Transillor, and some battle where he dies but then of course gets out of it somehow.

So basically it's going to be horrible ? Great.
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« Reply #187 on: November 26, 2013, 07:55:06 pm »
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You would think Moffat would be a little more creative with these titles...:

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« Reply #188 on: November 26, 2013, 09:07:47 pm »
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You would think Moffat would be a little more creative with these titles...:

The Name of the Doctor
The Night of the Doctor
The Day of the Doctor
The Time of the Doctor


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« Reply #189 on: November 26, 2013, 09:38:54 pm »
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You would think Moffat would be a little more creative with these titles...:

The Name of the Doctor
The Night of the Doctor
The Day of the Doctor
The Time of the Doctor


The Twilight of the Doctor
The Lazy Saturday Afternoon of the Doctor
The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Doctor
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You forgot The Dimension of the Doctor.
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« Reply #190 on: November 27, 2013, 07:32:24 am »
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The Doctor of the Doctor?
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« Reply #193 on: December 09, 2013, 07:50:48 am »
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I assume that they'll have a big thing with Capaldi, possibly finding Gallifrey, and getting extra regens, probably at the end of *his* run, but I doubt they'll waste that before. I assume Christmas is going to have The Silence, the big "Dr. WHO" question, Transillor, and some battle where he dies but then of course gets out of it somehow.

So basically it's going to be horrible ? Great.


According to the image it will feature both The Silence and Cybermen.
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« Reply #194 on: December 09, 2013, 07:56:25 am »
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Guarantee it will involve the Daleks as well...
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« Reply #195 on: December 09, 2013, 10:48:38 am »
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Guarantee it will involve the Daleks as well...

And the Weeping Angels. You can see all four in the short clips of DW found in the BBC's holiday trailer.
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« Reply #196 on: December 09, 2013, 11:19:03 am »
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As a matter of fact, the current backdrop to my mobile's screen lock is...:



In which they can all clearly be seen. What's not clear, is who exactly the real enemy of the story will be...
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« Reply #197 on: December 10, 2013, 02:17:21 am »
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No, I read some sort of synopsis where all these guys, including the Doctor, were to fight yet another enemy.
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« Reply #198 on: December 10, 2013, 11:08:18 am »
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No, I read some sort of synopsis where all these guys, including the Doctor, were to fight yet another enemy.

Last time these guys all teamed up, they threw the Doctor in a box.

Though, I have to admit that was an awesome culmination after decades of enemies being invented.
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« Reply #199 on: December 10, 2013, 11:45:11 am »
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No, I read some sort of synopsis where all these guys, including the Doctor, were to fight yet another enemy.

That's in fact what I was hinting at. :P

If you've been seeing the set release pictures as they've been released (as well as the picture I posted above), it's not at all clear that the "destruction" of classic "enemies" is at the hands of The Doctor. He may very well be the "General", with his "Army" behind him in the above picture...


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« Reply #200 on: December 10, 2013, 12:41:51 pm »
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No, I read some sort of synopsis where all these guys, including the Doctor, were to fight yet another enemy.

That's in fact what I was hinting at. :P

If you've been seeing the set release pictures as they've been released (as well as the picture I posted above), it's not at all clear that the "destruction" of classic "enemies" is at the hands of The Doctor. He may very well be the "General", with his "Army" behind him in the above picture...



Nice of him to rip of the head of one of his army members then...
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« Reply #201 on: December 10, 2013, 12:47:09 pm »
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No, I read some sort of synopsis where all these guys, including the Doctor, were to fight yet another enemy.

That's in fact what I was hinting at. :P

If you've been seeing the set release pictures as they've been released (as well as the picture I posted above), it's not at all clear that the "destruction" of classic "enemies" is at the hands of The Doctor. He may very well be the "General", with his "Army" behind him in the above picture...



Nice of him to rip of the head of one of his army members then...

Who said he did it?
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« Reply #202 on: December 10, 2013, 04:22:18 pm »
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No, I read some sort of synopsis where all these guys, including the Doctor, were to fight yet another enemy.

That's in fact what I was hinting at. :P

If you've been seeing the set release pictures as they've been released (as well as the picture I posted above), it's not at all clear that the "destruction" of classic "enemies" is at the hands of The Doctor. He may very well be the "General", with his "Army" behind him in the above picture...



Nice of him to rip of the head of one of his army members then...

Who said he did it?

I did, just then.
Didn't you see it?
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« Reply #203 on: December 10, 2013, 04:44:36 pm »
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No, I read some sort of synopsis where all these guys, including the Doctor, were to fight yet another enemy.

That's in fact what I was hinting at. :P

If you've been seeing the set release pictures as they've been released (as well as the picture I posted above), it's not at all clear that the "destruction" of classic "enemies" is at the hands of The Doctor. He may very well be the "General", with his "Army" behind him in the above picture...



Nice of him to rip of the head of one of his army members then...

Who said he did it?

I did, just then.
Didn't you see it?

No, I've very selective reading.
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« Reply #204 on: December 17, 2013, 03:55:50 pm »
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If you're allowed to count both in-universe and real-life interactions, David Tennant is his own father-in-law.

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« Reply #205 on: December 18, 2013, 05:26:57 am »
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So... once because he's married to the actress from "The Doctor's Daughter", but what's the second one ?
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« Reply #206 on: December 18, 2013, 08:46:39 am »
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So... once because he's married to the actress from "The Doctor's Daughter", but what's the second one ?

Georgia Moffett is Peter Davison's daughter.  Meanwhile, in universe, Peter Davison and David Tennant are the same character...
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« Reply #207 on: December 18, 2013, 04:42:02 pm »
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So... once because he's married to the actress from "The Doctor's Daughter", but what's the second one ?

Georgia Moffett is Peter Davison's daughter.  Meanwhile, in universe, Peter Davison and David Tennant are the same character...
Right. I don't see how that's twice though - you need both those parts to get you just the first own-father-in-law.

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« Reply #208 on: December 18, 2013, 05:20:36 pm »
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The Doctor (Davison) is the father-in-law of The Doctor (Tennant) by being the real-life father of Georgia Moffett.

The Doctor (Tennant) is the father (in-universe) of his own wife (real-life).

(Allowing both kinds of interactions means that, in this context, Georgia Moffett/Jenny has two fathers, both of whom are the Doctor.)
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« Reply #209 on: December 18, 2013, 06:06:54 pm »
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Yeah, that's pretty funny.

Also, here name is really close to Moffat...

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« Reply #211 on: December 20, 2013, 06:50:48 am »
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Failed on the rhino thing (I had pretty close guesses but far enough to no count) and the blonde. I knew who she was but couldn't find her name.
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« Reply #212 on: February 12, 2014, 04:27:48 pm »
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I didn't remember Donna :(
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19/19.  That was a horrible drawing of Sarah Jane.
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19/19.  That was a horrible drawing of Sarah Jane.

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« Reply #216 on: March 05, 2014, 12:46:44 pm »
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I have a question maybe you Dr Who experts could answer for me.  It's about the end of season 6 and gives away the ending, so I'll put it in spoiler mode.

When River Song refuses to kill the Doctor, it ruptures time and is really dreadful, so they undo the damage by having her kill him after all.  But then it turns out it wasn't really him (except that he was in the robot, I guess).  So shouldn't time have still been topsy-turvy, since the Doctor didn't really die?
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« Reply #217 on: March 05, 2014, 01:13:59 pm »
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I have a question maybe you Dr Who experts could answer for me.  It's about the end of season 6 and gives away the ending, so I'll put it in spoiler mode.

When River Song refuses to kill the Doctor, it ruptures time and is really dreadful, so they undo the damage by having her kill him after all.  But then it turns out it wasn't really him (except that he was in the robot, I guess).  So shouldn't time have still been topsy-turvy, since the Doctor didn't really die?

The Doctor didn't actually have to die for time to work out correctly, because he was in the Tesselecta when River shoots "him," as well as in the aborted timeline in which she didn't.  However, as so much attention was focused on that moment (by Kovarian and the Silence), the shooting had to occur at the fixed point.

In other words, we first saw the Tesselecta in "The Impossible Astronaut," even though we didn't learn about its nature until "Let's Kill Hitler."  And of course we're all so used to monster-of-the-week from Doctor Who that nobody even thought of the Tesselecta as being Chekov's gun.  Or, I suppose, Chekov's gun's target.
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« Reply #218 on: March 05, 2014, 01:51:10 pm »
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In other words, it doesn't really make sense and Steven Moffat wants you to just forget about it. Which is the whole problem with Moffat : he cares A LOT about plot until it doesn't make sense anymore. At least Russel T Davies was consistent in that he never cared too much about plot consistency.
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« Reply #219 on: March 05, 2014, 06:32:12 pm »
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In other words, it doesn't really make sense and Steven Moffat wants you to just forget about it. Which is the whole problem with Moffat : he cares A LOT about plot until it doesn't make sense anymore. At least Russel T Davies was consistent in that he never cared too much about plot consistency.

The fixed point was that the Doctor (as the Tesselecta) dies. That's what has to happen. By not killing the TessaDoctor, River broke time. It makes complete sense and is a consistent plot (characters say and believe other things because they're learning the mystery and have incomplete information during the season).

That said, the show never makes this irreverent situation/explanation clear, leaving what I think is a great twist as something most people consider a plot hole. Which is a damn shame, but I don't blame them.

That's my big problem with Moffat - brilliant plotlines horribly presented.
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« Reply #220 on: March 05, 2014, 06:59:59 pm »
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I didn't remember Donna :(
Don't feel bad that i didn't remember Clara Oswald (i honestly forgot she existed...) or that Rhino thing, but how could i forget Donna? I even mistook her for Harriet Jones (prime minister).
That's ok. Donna doesn't remember either.
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« Reply #221 on: March 05, 2014, 07:36:59 pm »
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Oh I'm aware of the way it "makes sense". It's clever. Everything Moffat does is clever. Not interesting, but clever. Like, seriously, how is this a "great twist". It's just "hey, you know how we hyped up the Doctor's death for a bunch of episodes and you always knew we would find a reason to wiggle our way out of it because we obviously can't kill the Doctor ? Here's how we did it !". A great twist is something that surprises you, that shocks you, that makes you see everything differently, this was just... weirdly predictable. Not in the way that I could have predicted the details of it, but the place we end up in is exactly what I expected (basically status quo).

Which is fine, really. But the fact that Moffat is so enamored with his own cleverness makes the show feel unbelievably smug.

Well I'm exaggerating a bit, but I've obviously grown quite tired of the Moffat era. It's more consistent (and much better looking) than the Davies era, but it kinda lost its heart along the way. Even season 5 which is the best of his tenure lacks a great episode of the calibre of Midnight, Blink or Dalek. Hopefully a new doctor will help shake things up a bit, but really I'm hoping for a change of showrunner more than anything.
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« Reply #222 on: March 05, 2014, 07:56:20 pm »
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I have a question maybe you Dr Who experts could answer for me.  It's about the end of season 6 and gives away the ending, so I'll put it in spoiler mode.

When River Song refuses to kill the Doctor, it ruptures time and is really dreadful, so they undo the damage by having her kill him after all.  But then it turns out it wasn't really him (except that he was in the robot, I guess).  So shouldn't time have still been topsy-turvy, since the Doctor didn't really die?

The Doctor didn't actually have to die for time to work out correctly, because he was in the Tesselecta when River shoots "him," as well as in the aborted timeline in which she didn't.  However, as so much attention was focused on that moment (by Kovarian and the Silence), the shooting had to occur at the fixed point.

In other words, we first saw the Tesselecta in "The Impossible Astronaut," even though we didn't learn about its nature until "Let's Kill Hitler."  And of course we're all so used to monster-of-the-week from Doctor Who that nobody even thought of the Tesselecta as being Chekov's gun.  Or, I suppose, Chekov's gun's target.


This makes sense since he gets in the Tesselecta thingy before he goes to the lake, so he was in it both times.  I suppose the belief by most of the universe that the Doctor was dead could constitute grounds for a fixed point.  He just tells everyone he has to die because he ALWAYS LIES!  But then in season 7, no one seems that surprised he is actually alive, so there's another inconsistency.  He just says his friends think he is dead at the end of that forest episode.
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« Reply #223 on: March 05, 2014, 07:58:27 pm »
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So who do you guys like better, David Tennant or Matt Smith?
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« Reply #224 on: March 06, 2014, 08:35:30 am »
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I may have to go with Tenant. They're both whimsical in very similar ways, but they have a little bit that differentiates them. And that differentiation pushes me toward Tenant. He actually acts like a man who is centuries old (or at least what I imagine such a man would act like). He seems to be more calculating. But they're both good.

I'm actually watching some older Who on Netflix. I got bored of the second Doctor, but that was really the way the show was laid out and not because of the character. I'm sure I'd appreciate the second Doctor more if the serial I was watching wasn't such a bore. The third doctor is interesting and gives me hope for the twelfth doctor since both of them are older gentlemen.

I'm looking forward to the Tom Baker episodes since I believe he's a Doctor favored by many prior to the 2005- episodes.
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« Reply #225 on: March 06, 2014, 10:50:35 am »
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Oh I'm aware of the way it "makes sense". It's clever. Everything Moffat does is clever. Not interesting, but clever. Like, seriously, how is this a "great twist". It's just "hey, you know how we hyped up the Doctor's death for a bunch of episodes and you always knew we would find a reason to wiggle our way out of it because we obviously can't kill the Doctor ? Here's how we did it !". A great twist is something that surprises you, that shocks you, that makes you see everything differently, this was just... weirdly predictable. Not in the way that I could have predicted the details of it, but the place we end up in is exactly what I expected (basically status quo).

Which is fine, really. But the fact that Moffat is so enamored with his own cleverness makes the show feel unbelievably smug.

Well I'm exaggerating a bit, but I've obviously grown quite tired of the Moffat era. It's more consistent (and much better looking) than the Davies era, but it kinda lost its heart along the way. Even season 5 which is the best of his tenure lacks a great episode of the calibre of Midnight, Blink or Dalek. Hopefully a new doctor will help shake things up a bit, but really I'm hoping for a change of showrunner more than anything.


And I can't say I disagree with anything you've said here.
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« Reply #226 on: March 09, 2014, 07:07:01 pm »
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Oh I'm aware of the way it "makes sense". It's clever. Everything Moffat does is clever. Not interesting, but clever. Like, seriously, how is this a "great twist". It's just "hey, you know how we hyped up the Doctor's death for a bunch of episodes and you always knew we would find a reason to wiggle our way out of it because we obviously can't kill the Doctor ? Here's how we did it !". A great twist is something that surprises you, that shocks you, that makes you see everything differently, this was just... weirdly predictable. Not in the way that I could have predicted the details of it, but the place we end up in is exactly what I expected (basically status quo).

Which is fine, really. But the fact that Moffat is so enamored with his own cleverness makes the show feel unbelievably smug.

Well I'm exaggerating a bit, but I've obviously grown quite tired of the Moffat era. It's more consistent (and much better looking) than the Davies era, but it kinda lost its heart along the way. Even season 5 which is the best of his tenure lacks a great episode of the calibre of Midnight, Blink or Dalek. Hopefully a new doctor will help shake things up a bit, but really I'm hoping for a change of showrunner more than anything.


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It was obvious the Doctor would not die, so the only thing in question was who (pun intended) would get shot in his place: The Flesh or that Robot. I would have expected them to do something clever about it, maybe show how it couldn't be any of those and have another solution suddenly. That they didn't at all, even tried to make it look like something clever, gave me what i'll call my worst Dr Who impression up to now. Let's hope it stays that...

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« Reply #227 on: May 28, 2014, 10:16:24 pm »
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« Reply #228 on: August 04, 2014, 05:47:47 pm »
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So, I was bored and looking for stuff to do, and realized that I hadn't seen the Dr. Who Christmas specials (just the Matt Smith ones) that are free on Amazon Prime, so I thought to myself, "myself, let's watch them."  Which I did. 

And then I did some looking and learned that the new season starts up this month.  Unfortunately, I have yet to watch the 50th Anniversary special "The Day of the Doctor" and the Christmas special "The Time of the Doctor" so I feel as though I should catch up there a bit before diving into the next season.

So really I just wanted to necro this thread a bit so Voltaire could post how excited he is for the upcoming season and also ask, if I were to go back and watch some old Doctor, which season(s) or episodes are the best.  I am just afraid that I will be let down a bit because I hear that some of the older Doctor seasons aren't quite on par with the Matt Smith seasons.
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« Reply #229 on: August 05, 2014, 08:42:14 am »
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I'm not much into the old Doctors yet. I saw bits of the first and second. I wasn't too thrilled with the second, but I think it may have been the episodes themselves and not the Doctor. He seemed pleasant enough.

I did enjoy the third Doctor, though I really disliked his relationship with Jo. As I understand it, early companions mostly served to show how brilliant the Doctor was and allowed him the opportunity to explain what's going on in terms the audience can understand (by making the companion not understand a single thing). But the way that Jo was portrayed just really got on my nerves. They made her too useless, I feel—not quite as bad as Willy from Indiana Jones at least.

I barely started the fourth Doctor, so I can't pass judgment just yet. I know that Tom Baker is a favorite among many geeks. From what I saw, he was capable of getting irksome at his companions' hijinks. So another notch for clueless companion. I haven't gotten to the Sarah Jane Smith episodes yet, so I trust that will change.

I watched one series of the fifth Doctor (the one where a companion dies). He seemed okay but nothing to excite me. I haven't seen six through eight yet.

The ninth Doctor is the first in the resurgence of Who. No real complaints about him. He's not as whimsical as the ten and eleventh. He's a little bit jaded and conceited, which is what you'd expect from someone centuries old.

I think the tenth is my favorite. He has a pretty good balance of whimsy and emotional baggage.

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« Reply #230 on: August 05, 2014, 09:19:39 am »
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So really I just wanted to necro this thread a bit so Voltaire could post how excited he is for the upcoming season and also ask, if I were to go back and watch some old Doctor, which season(s) or episodes are the best.  I am just afraid that I will be let down a bit because I hear that some of the older Doctor seasons aren't quite on par with the Matt Smith seasons.

1. Excited, but not as much as you think - partly because I can't use the internet to get excited, because the scripts for episodes 1-6 leaked, and unfinished (missing some CGI) versions of the first 5 episodes leaked, so the internet is a saddening den of spoilers right now (most of which I have avoided).

2. So what has that driven me to? I'm leafing through EW's Doctor Who cover story from this week (WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME)

3. So yes, the "classic" (Doctors 1-8) Doctors are very, very different, because the show is different. I grew up listening to old-time radio (and people at the meetup wondered why they thought I was older), so classic Doctor Who fits me like a glove - slow, methodical, unnecessarily long, and occasionally featuring entire episodes that are pointless (there is a First Doctor episode where they start in jail, break out of jail, and are recaptured. Nothing of consequence happens during this time). If you've only seen 11 (Matt Smith), watch some 9 or 10. If you're trying to get in to classic Doctor Who, start with the very first episode ("An Unearthly Child"). Part 1 is all about the first companions discovering the Doctor and his granddaughter. Parts 2-4 are a pretty bad historical story with cavemen. If you sit through the entire thing, and enjoy it, you'll like any and all classic Doctor Who. Otherwise, you're best finding some random well-regarded episodes and just watching those ("Genesis of the Daleks", "Caves of Andronazi (sp)", etc.).
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« Reply #231 on: August 05, 2014, 09:49:42 am »
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So, I was bored and looking for stuff to do, and realized that I hadn't seen the Dr. Who Christmas specials (just the Matt Smith ones) that are free on Amazon Prime, so I thought to myself, "myself, let's watch them."  Which I did. 

And then I did some looking and learned that the new season starts up this month.  Unfortunately, I have yet to watch the 50th Anniversary special "The Day of the Doctor" and the Christmas special "The Time of the Doctor" so I feel as though I should catch up there a bit before diving into the next season.

So really I just wanted to necro this thread a bit so Voltaire could post how excited he is for the upcoming season and also ask, if I were to go back and watch some old Doctor, which season(s) or episodes are the best.  I am just afraid that I will be let down a bit because I hear that some of the older Doctor seasons aren't quite on par with the Matt Smith seasons.

If you are mostly interested in the reboot, I'd say just watch it from the start through release order.  Nothing in the reboot is completely unwatchable. (which can't be said for the classic series)  There are some bad episodes, but they're short enough that they are tolerable.  In the classic series, if you hit a bad episode you either have to sit through hours of it or skip on to the next one.
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« Reply #232 on: August 11, 2014, 05:40:37 am »
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So, I was bored and looking for stuff to do, and realized that I hadn't seen the Dr. Who Christmas specials (just the Matt Smith ones) that are free on Amazon Prime, so I thought to myself, "myself, let's watch them."  Which I did. 

And then I did some looking and learned that the new season starts up this month.  Unfortunately, I have yet to watch the 50th Anniversary special "The Day of the Doctor" and the Christmas special "The Time of the Doctor" so I feel as though I should catch up there a bit before diving into the next season.

So really I just wanted to necro this thread a bit so Voltaire could post how excited he is for the upcoming season and also ask, if I were to go back and watch some old Doctor, which season(s) or episodes are the best.  I am just afraid that I will be let down a bit because I hear that some of the older Doctor seasons aren't quite on par with the Matt Smith seasons.

If you are mostly interested in the reboot, I'd say just watch it from the start through release order.  Nothing in the reboot is completely unwatchable. (which can't be said for the classic series)  There are some bad episodes, but they're short enough that they are tolerable.  In the classic series, if you hit a bad episode you either have to sit through hours of it or skip on to the next one.

The first episode with No 10 is really funny, but ends serious - Series 2 episode 1.  "Runaway Bride" - the first episode with Donna - is also good. And the first one with Martha, "Smith and Jones".  They put extra effort into introductory episodes in general, it seems.
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« Reply #233 on: August 11, 2014, 05:45:48 am »
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My pet peeve with Dr. Who is how they treat large numbers.  A million or 10,000 years (the amount of time humans have been around so far) is quite long enough -- when they say "this is humans 5 billion years from now" that's too absurd.  The only episode where it makes sense is when the universe is dying, but New Earth didn't need to be billions of years later.  And when did the Earth explode - that episode with Cassandra?  Wasn't she the last human, before 5 billion years in the future?
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« Reply #234 on: August 11, 2014, 09:44:04 am »
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And when did the Earth explode - that episode with Cassandra?  Wasn't she the last human, before 5 billion years in the future?

She claims to be the last unmodified human.

One should also take her claims with an incredibly large grain of salt.  Well, and moisturizer.
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« Reply #235 on: August 11, 2014, 11:14:02 am »
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My pet peeve with Dr. Who is how they treat large numbers.  A million or 10,000 years (the amount of time humans have been around so far) is quite long enough -- when they say "this is humans 5 billion years from now" that's too absurd.  The only episode where it makes sense is when the universe is dying, but New Earth didn't need to be billions of years later.  And when did the Earth explode - that episode with Cassandra?  Wasn't she the last human, before 5 billion years in the future?

The Doctor specifically says in Utopia that humans have returned to their "original" form at that point, so it's not actually a contradiction. It's just even stupider than you thought!
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« Reply #236 on: August 11, 2014, 03:11:57 pm »
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« Reply #237 on: August 11, 2014, 03:32:13 pm »
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Reminds me of Gravity Falls.
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« Reply #238 on: August 11, 2014, 03:45:20 pm »
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Reminds me of Gravity Falls.
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« Reply #240 on: August 24, 2014, 02:38:47 pm »
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