Well, without alt-vp and my opponent getting five. We were playing the second suggested set from Dark Ages and Alchemy (I think it was called Lamentations). I saw some engine potential with the University, Catacombs, and Ironmonger (with Pillages for some money and attacking and forager and counterfeit for trashing and buys), and my opponent was seemingly doing random things. But, he made a forager deck where each one was worth +$5, and with a few golems was unstoppable. And it kicked in really fast too. My engine was kicking in when he got four provinces, and my pillages stopped him short. He managed to get one more province, but I got six duchies (he got two), a couple estates, and the other three provinces. My opponent was getting mad at me for prolonging the game, but it was the only way I could win...
