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Preview #5: Herald
« on: June 07, 2013, 10:21:08 am »
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How about that medieval Poland? At last we come to the final day of previews. Herald is another overpay card. I could only fit so many themes into 13 cards.

Herald varies from "+1 card +1 action" to essentially "+2 cards +2 actions," depending on your action density. Aim high, that's my advice. When you buy Herald, you get to stack the deck for your next hand. No peeking into your discard pile first to see if you want to buy Herald or not; sorry, them's the rules. But if you overpay by $3, you'll get to look through your discard pile three times; that's value for money. And you can use the overpay to put Heralds on top of your deck, and then when you play those Heralds sometimes they will announce more Heralds. It's Heralds all the way down.

Guilds has 8 more cards, and before long you will have seen them all. It will probably be available at Origins and will come out later this month in any case. It will probably show up on Goko about when it shows up in stores; I have been playtesting it. And then once people can buy it I will post a Secret History.
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Re: Preview #5: Herald
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2013, 10:22:23 am »
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IFguild ($4) --> HE = Herald


Thanar nailed it, and LastFootnote seems to have been on the right track.
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Re: Preview #5: Herald
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2013, 10:24:51 am »
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I think the real theme of subsequent expansions has been: "let's buff Watchtower".
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Re: Preview #5: Herald
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2013, 10:25:01 am »
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Wow, that's a crazy engine card i think.
Also nice to set up megaturns.
And it combos with scout.
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Re: Preview #5: Herald
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2013, 10:25:17 am »
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I love it like I love Menagerie.

It just always feels good to have these cards activate.
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Re: Preview #5: Herald
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2013, 10:25:57 am »
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Finally, something that ACTUALLY combos with Scout.

EDIT, well, Wandering Minstrel is probably better.  Maybe.
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Re: Preview #5: Herald
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2013, 10:26:05 am »
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first thought is that overpaying for it on a KC board can be really crazy good.
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Re: Preview #5: Herald
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2013, 10:26:38 am »
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This seems to really want to combo with itself, but it doesn't. Unless you pay at least $10 for it I guess. Still, gotta love engine cards.
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Re: Preview #5: Herald
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2013, 10:26:54 am »
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So since overpay happens on buy, not on gain, you can't overpay to topdeck itself.  On the other hand, you could overpay to topdeck a Talisman'd copy, or to topdeck anything gained off of Haggler.

Also, Throne Room and Golem just gained some company in forcing us to play Actions.  This time with less choice than ever.  Herald could be a dangerous card in some decks.
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Re: Preview #5: Herald
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2013, 10:27:28 am »
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It seems amazingly good. Maybe in the facts it's a trap but on paper...  :o
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Re: Preview #5: Herald
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2013, 10:28:04 am »
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it lets you pay terminals as cantrips.  holy cow.

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Re: Preview #5: Herald
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2013, 10:28:14 am »
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You know, I love these previews. But it would have been nice to see an Attack card OR a Reaction card OR a Treasure card OR a Victory card. Anything but straight Actions, really.

So since overpay happens on buy, not on gain, you can't overpay to topdeck itself.  On the other hand, you could overpay to topdeck a Talisman'd copy, or to topdeck anything gained off of Haggler.

Also, Throne Room and Golem just gained some company in forcing us to play Actions.  This time with less choice than ever.  Herald could be a dangerous card in some decks.

Good insights! The Golem angle is especially important.
« Last Edit: June 07, 2013, 10:30:19 am by LastFootnote »
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Re: Preview #5: Herald
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2013, 10:30:00 am »
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Also you can't topdeck actions to reveal with it unless you pay at least $11.

This expansion seems to have a lot of Ghost ship counters.

If this hits, it is a Lab and a village at the same time.

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Re: Preview #5: Herald
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2013, 10:30:29 am »
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You know, I love these previews. But it would have been nice to see an Attack card OR a Reaction card OR a Treasure card OR a Victory card. Anything but straight Actions, really.

It seems that Donald X. prioritized showing off the new mechanics.  But man, I would have hope that the new mechanics intermingled with types other than Action.
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Re: Preview #5: Herald
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2013, 10:30:55 am »
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So since overpay happens on buy, not on gain, you can't overpay to topdeck itself.  On the other hand, you could overpay to topdeck a Talisman'd copy, or to topdeck anything gained off of Haggler.

Also, Throne Room and Golem just gained some company in forcing us to play Actions.  This time with less choice than ever.  Herald could be a dangerous card in some decks.

So just to be clear, the sequence of events is:
1) buy
2) resolve all on-buy effects, including choosing how much to overpay and the overpay effect; you choose order if there are multiple events
3) resolve al would-gain effects
3) gain the card (to your discard pile unless the would-gain effect changed it).
4) resolve all on-gain effects

Correct? 
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Re: Preview #5: Herald
« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2013, 10:31:21 am »
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I see a combo with Cartographer (and Wandering Minstrel, but that has already been mentioned). Play Cartographer with Herald in hand (or draw a Herald). Then make sure card number 2 is an action card you want to play.
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Re: Preview #5: Herald
« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2013, 10:32:58 am »
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combo or nombo with scrying pool?

this card is like, hardly ever a good opener I think. Maybe open chapel-herald on a 2-5, putting chapel on top of your deck?
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Re: Preview #5: Herald
« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2013, 10:33:50 am »
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So since overpay happens on buy, not on gain, you can't overpay to topdeck itself.  On the other hand, you could overpay to topdeck a Talisman'd copy, or to topdeck anything gained off of Haggler.

Also, Throne Room and Golem just gained some company in forcing us to play Actions.  This time with less choice than ever.  Herald could be a dangerous card in some decks.

So just to be clear, the sequence of events is:
1) buy
2) resolve all on-buy effects, including choosing how much to overpay and the overpay effect; you choose order if there are multiple events
3) resolve al would-gain effects
3) gain the card (to your discard pile unless the would-gain effect changed it).
4) resolve all on-gain effects

Correct?

You are correct, sir!
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Re: Preview #5: Herald
« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2013, 10:35:13 am »
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That's a real sweet counter to ghost ship.

other than that it seems like a better version of wishing well with an added inn on buy effect.
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Re: Preview #5: Herald
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2013, 10:35:56 am »
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I won't complain about art this time. It's not bad.
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Re: Preview #5: Herald
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2013, 10:36:17 am »
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That's a real sweet counter to ghost ship.

other than that it seems like a better version of wishing well with an added inn on buy effect.

Well, it's not really that similar. You don't have to correctly name the Action in order to play it; it just has to be an Action card.
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Re: Preview #5: Herald
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2013, 10:36:32 am »
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This let's you play Scout as a Village, so that you can use that fistful of Nobles he draws to draw ever more Scouts with the actions to play them!  Not to mention Islands to get those worthless non-Scout cards out of your deck.
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Re: Preview #5: Herald
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2013, 10:37:16 am »
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Wow, that Wandering Minstrel Combo is awesome. Or maybe not, since they're both villages.

It suffers a bit from the Wishing Well problem: You have to manipulate the second-to-top card in your deck.
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Re: Preview #5: Herald
« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2013, 10:38:37 am »
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wow this is a top tier 4$ in my opinion. not on BM boards but in engines.

it reminds me of the draw+meld+execute cards in innovation.
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Re: Preview #5: Herald
« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2013, 10:39:01 am »
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Seems like a really powerful card.  Of course, in an tight engine, the on-play benefit of this card will be amazing. At $4, they can be fairly easy to gain lots of them.  And they chain in a pretty amazing way, too.

The on-buy effect is also pretty powerful.  Play a Chancellor and then use the on-buy effect to put KC-KC-BR-BR-BR (or whatever dominant combo is in the board) on the top of your deck.  Now, you might have have $9 to spend that often (to put 5 cards back), but there are lots of two card combos or self-combos (Treasure Map, for example).
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