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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #425 on: September 28, 2013, 08:26:20 pm »

it'd be nice to know what A5 is, so that we know if it is safe to blindly walk into E3.
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #426 on: September 29, 2013, 09:17:18 pm »

It's guaranteed "safe"...it's either Room 25 OR a yellow room.  If yellow it's either dark (safe), or vortex (safe, takes you back to central).

If you can figure out a plan that gets us into D2 AFTER moving blindly into E3 when it's dark but NOT vortex (or the other way round), I'd be impressed.

mail-mi goes before any of this turn...I'm 70% sure we can't come up with a plan that doesn't make us lose depending on mail-mi's action, even if we know which one is Room 25, much less which yellow room the other one is.
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #427 on: September 29, 2013, 09:32:13 pm »

getting vortexed to C3 is probably bad...
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #428 on: September 29, 2013, 09:45:43 pm »

but, is it worse than the alternative?

If we can't win either way, it really doesn't matter.  I posit that if D2 is Room 25 we've already lost.  If E3 is Room 25, it's possible we've already lost depending on what mail-mi programmed.
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #429 on: September 30, 2013, 05:12:35 pm »

I'm trying to figure out all the ways we can do stuff, and all the ways mail-mi can respond, but it's too complicated. I'll just program my actions now.
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #430 on: September 30, 2013, 05:13:41 pm »

hopefully mail-mi forgot to reveal himself as a guard and he's stuck with whatever he programmed.
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #431 on: September 30, 2013, 06:31:08 pm »

So, program your next turn. Mail-mi claimed he's a guard, but it's not official until he reveals his role on his turn (assuming he is indeed a guard).

I'm assuming this means that Mail-mi had to program actions but I think that he's stuck with them for this round.  (Tables was stuck with his second action after all.)
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #432 on: October 01, 2013, 08:46:52 am »

Keep in mind that the second guard's identity is not officially revealed until that guard's action. So if the guard wishes to make his identity known and reap the benefits in the following turn, he'll have to do it as one of his two actions this turn.

Mail-mi sets the gears in motion and shifts column E down.

It is now Theorel's turn. He's also shifting gears. Column E is already on its way down, so he can't shift it up, but he does have flexibility with shifting Row 1. What to shift and in which direction?
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #433 on: October 01, 2013, 10:28:51 am »

yay! I hope you both did controls...
shift E down
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #434 on: October 01, 2013, 10:35:19 am »

okay, so assuming you both went along with my suggestion and did control/moves...here's what my plan was (if old E3 was Room 25 it should work)

We all control down.  At the end of this old-E3 will be E1.  I'll be in E3, liopoil in E2 and hyram in D1.

mail-mi will be down at E5...he can't control only move/look/push all of which are useless.

I'll move into the vision chamber (E2) for my action, this nicely confirms that E1 is Room 25.  If not, well...we can try to work it out for D3 (old D2)

Then you can both move in there on your action.  Next round I move in and liopoil takes us out of the board.

Also, the result of all of my analysis was that I had to match mail-mi's action.  If he controlled I had to control, if he moved I had to move.  That was true if E3 was Room 25.  I never really analyzed the possibility for D2 as Room 25, because I couldn't even guarantee an E3-win...but splitting off from mail-mi seemed best regardless.
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #435 on: October 01, 2013, 10:55:14 am »

And column E keeps grinding downward. It is now hyramgraff's turn. He gets to shift something too. Either column or row, both can be slid in either direction.
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #436 on: October 01, 2013, 01:32:45 pm »

Control down
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #437 on: October 01, 2013, 02:04:28 pm »

Hyramgraff does the shuffle.

It's now liopoil's turn to shift something. I'm sure I don't need to ask, but I'm contractually obligated by the networks to do so. Which are you shifting, liopoil?
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #438 on: October 01, 2013, 04:50:24 pm »

okay, so assuming you both went along with my suggestion and did control/moves...here's what my plan was (if old E3 was Room 25 it should work)

We all control down.  At the end of this old-E3 will be E1.  I'll be in E3, liopoil in E2 and hyram in D1.

mail-mi will be down at E5...he can't control only move/look/push all of which are useless.

I'll move into the vision chamber (E2) for my action, this nicely confirms that E1 is Room 25.  If not, well...we can try to work it out for D3 (old D2)

Then you can both move in there on your action.  Next round I move in and liopoil takes us out of the board.

Also, the result of all of my analysis was that I had to match mail-mi's action.  If he controlled I had to control, if he moved I had to move.  That was true if E3 was Room 25.  I never really analyzed the possibility for D2 as Room 25, because I couldn't even guarantee an E3-win...but splitting off from mail-mi seemed best regardless.
I looked at D2 being room 25 a lot, it looks bad if that is the case. I doubt it is.
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #439 on: October 01, 2013, 04:51:42 pm »

Control E down
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #440 on: October 01, 2013, 07:42:48 pm »

And the column just keeps on sliding.

Mail-mi then moves from E5 into D5. I'm making that call, because the alternative was to move into the Mortal Chamber, and I don't think he wants to throw his life away just yet.

Also, as he moves, mail-mi pulls off the mask and reveals his inner guardness. Next turn, he does not have to program his actions.

It's time for Theorel to move. Where to?
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #441 on: October 01, 2013, 09:07:15 pm »

Move E2 look at E1
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #442 on: October 01, 2013, 09:33:48 pm »

Theorel moved and is looking.

Hyramgraff is next to move.
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #443 on: October 01, 2013, 09:37:48 pm »

Annnd, the room is blue!
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #444 on: October 02, 2013, 01:36:37 pm »

Move to E1
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #445 on: October 02, 2013, 02:19:51 pm »

Hyramgraff leaps into the strange, mysterious room. And there is Room 25! There's cake and punch and possibly strippers. But he's not out of the woods yet.

It's liopoil's move now. Where does he move to, he asks knowingly?
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #446 on: October 02, 2013, 03:22:47 pm »

E1 sounds like a cool place.
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #447 on: October 02, 2013, 04:23:51 pm »

This is it, folks! The final round. Can our intrepid prisoners escape?

Mail-mi doesn't need to program anything this round. The others do. And then Theorel leads us off. Gentlemen, please program your final actions.
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Re: Room 25 II - Final Round!
« Reply #448 on: October 03, 2013, 02:37:13 pm »

So according to my calculations we need the following to happen:

Theorel moves up.
I control us to victory.

Am I missing anything?
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Re: Room 25 II - Final Round!
« Reply #449 on: October 03, 2013, 05:24:58 pm »

sweet!

Theorel should program a move, moving to E1
Hyramgraff should program a control
I'll program a control, because why not.
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