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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #375 on: August 30, 2013, 09:05:28 pm »

I am, as I'd said, B5 and D3 are both red.
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #376 on: August 30, 2013, 09:13:42 pm »

Oh, and hyram's already claimed also...
So...that leaves mail-mi.  Seen Room 25?  Or is somebody lying?  (noting that if the guard hasn't seen Room 25 no one needs to lie)
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #377 on: August 30, 2013, 09:24:49 pm »

So noted. Pending the rest of this turn until Theorel is ready to swap rooms somewhere. Post it here and then plan your moves.
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #378 on: August 31, 2013, 10:46:38 am »

Oh, and hyram's already claimed also...
So...that leaves mail-mi.  Seen Room 25?  Or is somebody lying?  (noting that if the guard hasn't seen Room 25 no one needs to lie)
No. I have not. C2 is yeellow and E2 (3?) is red.
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #379 on: August 31, 2013, 01:17:30 pm »

Okay, so I'm confirmed prisoner.

Room 25 could technically be anywhere from my perspective...but checking the rooms that have been claimed red makes the most sense, because one of those rooms is NOT red.
Either the guard claimed that Room 25 is Red, OR the guard claimed that a yellow room is red AND that Room 25 is yellow.

So, I still have my swap, then...can we figure out a good way for everyone to double check a red room without doing anything dangerous?
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #380 on: September 05, 2013, 08:20:00 am »

Okay, I'll swap to A5

The map looks like this then...

O I N T A
Y F Y E B
E E C R R
F D E V R
M R C E E


B5, D3=liopoil
A2, E5=hyram
C2, E3=mail-mi
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #381 on: September 05, 2013, 08:35:30 am »

So, let's see...
I think we should start by checking the red rooms...

I can check B5, and mail-mi can check D3 both trivially.  That will confirm liopoil as prisoner unless mail-mi lies (or liopoil is a guard) which would confirm hyram as prisoner.

liopoil should NOT move into D4 since hyram might be able to throw him into a variety of deadly places (though none mortal, in the situation where hyram would do that)

liopoil could control right which would let hyram look at E3.

That would confirm everyone except hyram's room...so if we don't have a contradiction by then, then we will know hyram is the guard.

Okay, that would work if everyone did it...but if liopoil didn't follow he could move to D4 instead and push hyram out.
So, hyram should move out of the vision chamber, and liopoil should move into it.

My proposed action then is that liopoil controls right and then moves into E4, while hyram moves to E5 and controls something depending on what is discovered by then.

(note I'm assuming liopoil shifts right for letters below)
If hyram doesn't leave the vision chamber, then he's the guard and we have a good idea of where Room 25 is, liopoil can move to D5.
If hyram moves into D4, liopoil can move out of it, hyram's the guard and liopoil can check A4 to see if it's Room 25.

If liopoil is the guard, then he might move into the vision chamber, but then hyram can move out of it...since he's already programmed a move.

Anybody have any further suggestions or problems with this suggestion?
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #382 on: September 06, 2013, 10:03:02 am »

It's a bit hard to follow your logic.  I'm in general agreement with the parts I understand though.  Can you post what our orders would be if we followed your plan.

What I'm most worked about is getting all three prisoners into room 25 before the end of the next round.  I'm not sure that your plan has enough time for that to happen before the game ends and the guards win.
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #383 on: September 06, 2013, 10:17:57 am »

we have 2 more rounds after this right?
We have this round, then mail-mi starting, then me starting...then boom.

So, I think we'll have enough time, but it's worth checking if we need to take a chance somewhere.

Orders for this round would be:
mail-mi: look and whatever
me: look and whatever
liopoil: control and move (right and E4 respectively)
hyramgraff: move and whatever (E5)

Probably all of the "whatever"s should be controls.

I think with 2 rounds of control/moves from the prisoners we should be able to get to room 25, but an extra round of controls from most of us this round is probably good.
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #384 on: September 06, 2013, 10:21:08 am »

we have 2 more rounds after this right?
We have this round, then mail-mi starting, then me starting...then boom.

This is correct.
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #385 on: September 06, 2013, 11:52:45 am »

Ok, I'll program a move and a whatever.
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #386 on: September 09, 2013, 10:17:56 am »

Just waiting for mail-mi to program his actions.
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #387 on: September 10, 2013, 01:41:17 pm »

And we're back!

Only three turns left before we pump neurotoxins into chambers. But don't worry; the lone surviving guard has built up an immunity to the poison. We think. Well, we'll find out soon enough.

It's liopoil's turn to begin. He is shifting the row. Left or right?
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #388 on: September 10, 2013, 02:24:23 pm »

hey Kuildeous...you never moved the moving chamber.
I should be in A5.
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #389 on: September 10, 2013, 02:26:24 pm »

Well, either mail-mi is the guard or he didn't like my plan and failed to comment on it.

So, if we assume mail-mi is the guard can we do anything more effective than our current plan?  I guess it depends on what he does...
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #390 on: September 10, 2013, 02:29:26 pm »

Oh never mind...liopoil's shifting.  That's expected...I read mail-mi earlier and superimposed his name over liopoil in my brain.

ignore me.
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #391 on: September 10, 2013, 08:13:32 pm »

Control row 4 to the right
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #392 on: September 11, 2013, 12:09:55 am »

Oops, the last action of the previous turn has been fully resolved. Theorel is now in A5.

And row 4 slides over. Mail-mi takes a gander at a nearby room.

Theorel is looking at a room. He has a couple of choices. Which room is it?
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #393 on: September 11, 2013, 07:43:10 am »

look: B5
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #394 on: September 11, 2013, 09:19:24 am »

That happens. Hyramgraff now gets to move.
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #395 on: September 11, 2013, 10:09:46 am »

So, what's over in B5?
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #396 on: September 11, 2013, 10:26:17 am »

B5 is NOT room 25.

mail-mi you looked at D3 right?  So...is it Room 25, or is liopoil confirmed prisoner?
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #397 on: September 11, 2013, 10:27:51 am »

Or rather, as far as I can tell liopoil was completely honest about B5.
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #398 on: September 11, 2013, 10:51:48 am »

Move E5
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Re: Room 25 II - Two contestants dead
« Reply #399 on: September 11, 2013, 11:17:46 am »

And hyramgraff makes his move.

It's now liopoil's turn. And just where is he moving to?
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