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Re: roguelike games
« Reply #150 on: February 17, 2014, 05:51:39 pm »
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Try to see if maybe you can find Nagas near stairs and bring them up one floor with you.  If you can survive doing that, you can kite them all you want on the cleared floor and repeat that until all or almost all the Nagas are gone.  Then you can kill the other stuff with invis

I know how to stair dance, but thanks  :P
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« Reply #151 on: February 17, 2014, 05:52:36 pm »
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Also what heron said, esp as I have miniscule amount of health. But you can always use different stair for going down.


(Also, do note that I died in that Slime Pit and have do to it all over again :P).
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Re: roguelike games
« Reply #152 on: February 17, 2014, 06:09:06 pm »
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Teleporting is a valuable resource though.  Are you saying you usually play translocation mage heron?
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Re: roguelike games
« Reply #153 on: February 17, 2014, 09:41:15 pm »
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I usually either have blink, a ring of tele, or a wand of tele, so generally I am pretty tele'd up. I am pretty reluctant to use an actual scroll for teleporting.
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Re: roguelike games
« Reply #154 on: February 17, 2014, 09:56:46 pm »
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oh, ok, you usually train evocations.  I don't always train evocations so the tele-rings aren't always reliable for me, that's the main difference. 
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Re: roguelike games
« Reply #155 on: February 18, 2014, 04:50:33 am »
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I rolled a kobold that was not a beserker of trog, right next to starting point there was an amulet of rage just sitting there
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Re: roguelike games
« Reply #156 on: February 18, 2014, 10:22:28 am »
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note to self: DO NOT wield identify magic staves. Esp not if you got no remove curse scrolls.
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Re: roguelike games
« Reply #157 on: February 18, 2014, 01:57:08 pm »
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OK, cleared Orc and Lair again, and doing GREAT. Had some luck with equipment.

http://pastebin.com/nzDzuHFe

Now, the question is, which armor to go with?
I got +2 robe of Magic Resistance, +2 robe of Resistances and Mottled Dragon Armor (well, hide, but I also got spare Ench Armour).
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Re: roguelike games
« Reply #158 on: February 18, 2014, 02:10:05 pm »
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Risk of rain is fun :)
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Re: roguelike games
« Reply #159 on: February 18, 2014, 02:10:54 pm »
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If you're anywhere with a normal balance of casters and other mobs, I think the mottled dragon armor is going to win.  It will almost double your AC without adding much encumbrance
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Re: roguelike games
« Reply #160 on: February 18, 2014, 02:20:35 pm »
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I was leaning towards Resistances. AC difference of +2 robe and mottled is only 2 points, not that much. On mottled GDR 28% is very nice, though. Also, if I enchant it enough I can get it to additional +6 AC, and that is A LOT. But I don't have that much ench scrolls ATM.

Also, I barely take any melee damage. my AC is high, and buckler helps. A huge ranged burst of fire damage concerns me much more, as it can halve my hp, at least. OTOH, reflection does take care of many projectiles.. dunno.

I mean, mottled is better in the long run, but not sure about "right now".
(Got Shoals and Spider, if it makes a difference. Going shoals first, I think).


Edit: O yeah, also, those 12 honey combs are the life saver. I actually ate my last bread ration just before finding them and was pretty much convinced I was going to starve soon (I can't eat chunks). These babies are gonna last a while, though!
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Re: roguelike games
« Reply #161 on: February 18, 2014, 02:51:56 pm »
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Ok, yeah, the enchant level makes a difference.  But i mean if you start commiting enchant scrolls towards something it should be the mottled. 
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Re: roguelike games
« Reply #162 on: February 18, 2014, 07:20:59 pm »
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Note to self: Never play drunk.
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Re: roguelike games
« Reply #163 on: February 18, 2014, 08:11:33 pm »
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I got the launching damage formula from learndb.  It's interesting.  There's a min() function that looks at your Strength and the enchantment level of your bow, so it would seem you are incentivized to just leave your Strenght at 0 if you find a +12,+12 bow or somesuch, and discouraged from bothering with enchanting your weapon if you max out strength.  (crossbows still get an enchantment/2 damage bonus, but all other launchers get no enchantment benefit if your strength is arbitrarily large.)

Oh, wait, there is an L/8 term at the beginning, but that's a lot more negligible.

The number of opening and closing parentheses isn't equal so I guess I shouldn't trust it.
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Re: roguelike games
« Reply #164 on: February 19, 2014, 07:58:08 am »
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Don't read this, I'm leaving it here for later.

I have an epic story to tell, and the log is better with explanation since I can explain positionings.

_This raw flesh tastes terrible.
_You continue eating. x2
_You start resting.
_Your crimson imp disappears in a puff of smoke!
 "Let's go for a ride!"
 Your surroundings suddenly seem different.
_Your surroundings suddenly seem different.
 Found a ring mail and 19 gold pieces.
 A necromancer and 2 simulacra come into view.
_The sheep simulacrum moves out of view.
_You now have 992 gold pieces (gained 19).
 You see here a ring mail.
 You start memorising the spell. You continue memorising.
 The sheep simulacrum bites you. Your memorisation is interrupted.
_The sheep simulacrum freezes you.
 You hit the sheep simulacrum.
 Your headbutt misses the sheep simulacrum.
 The sheep simulacrum barely misses you. You furiously retaliate!
_You headbutt the sheep simulacrum, but do no damage.
 You hit the sheep simulacrum. You kick the sheep simulacrum!
_The sheep simulacrum vapourises!
 You start removing your armour.
_You continue taking off your +0 orcish cloak.
 You finish taking off your +0 orcish cloak.
 You start removing your armour.
_You continue taking off your +1 ring mail. x5
 You finish taking off your +1 ring mail.
 You start putting on your armour.
_You continue putting on your +2 orcish robe of resistance. x2
 You finish putting on your +2 orcish robe of resistance.
 You feel resistant to extremes of temperature.
 You start putting on your armour.
_You continue putting on your +0 orcish cloak.
 You finish putting on your +0 orcish cloak.
_You start memorising the spell. You continue memorising.
_You finish memorising.
_A yell rips itself from your throat!
_You hear a shout!
 You miscast Summon Butterflies.
 You are very lightly contaminated with residual magic.
_Shadowy shapes form in the air around you, then vanish.
 Something misses your butterfly.
 Something completely misses your butterfly.
_Something barely misses your butterfly.
_You miscast Summon Butterflies. Nothing appears to happen.
 You don't have enough magic to cast that spell.
 It begins to drip with poison!
_B - an uncursed trident of venom (weapon)
 You reach to attack! You hit the grizzly bear simulacrum.
 The grizzly bear simulacrum misses your butterfly.
 The grizzly bear simulacrum completely misses your butterfly.
 The grizzly bear simulacrum claws your butterfly.
 The grizzly bear simulacrum freezes your butterfly!
_Your butterfly dies!
_You reach to attack! You hit the grizzly bear simulacrum.
 Your uncursed trident of venom stops dripping with poison.
 m - a +4,+1 orcish hand axe (weapon)
 The grizzly bear simulacrum barely misses you.
 You furiously retaliate!
 You headbutt the grizzly bear simulacrum.
 The grizzly bear simulacrum claws you but does no damage.
_The grizzly bear simulacrum closely misses you.
_You hit the grizzly bear simulacrum. You kick the grizzly bear simulacrum.
 You hit the grizzly bear simulacrum.
 The grizzly bear simulacrum barely misses you.
 You furiously retaliate!
 You headbutt the grizzly bear simulacrum.
 The grizzly bear simulacrum closely misses you.
 The grizzly bear simulacrum claws you.
 The grizzly bear simulacrum freezes you.
_You resist.
 You slash the grizzly bear simulacrum!
_The grizzly bear simulacrum vapourises!
_You feel clever all of a sudden.
 The necromancer hits your butterfly with a runed dagger.
 Your butterfly writhes in agony.
_Your butterfly dies!
 The necromancer casts a spell at you.
_You resist.
_The necromancer hits you with a dagger of pain.
 You open the door.
 9 simulacra come into view.
_The necromancer hits you but does no damage.
_As you read the scroll of blinking, it crumbles to dust.
 You open the door.
 Psyche comes into view. She is wielding a runed dagger.
_Psyche shouts!
 Found a dagger.
 Psyche barely misses your butterfly.
 The necromancer casts a spell at you.
 The bolt of cold hits you! You resist.
 The sheep simulacrum bites your butterfly.
_Your butterfly dies!
 You don't have enough magic to cast that spell.
 You hit the necromancer but do no damage.
 Your kick misses the necromancer. You headbutt the necromancer.
 The necromancer is lightly wounded.
 Psyche's eyes start to glow.
 The grizzly bear simulacrum barely misses your butterfly.
 The grizzly bear simulacrum claws your butterfly.
 The grizzly bear simulacrum freezes your butterfly!
_Your butterfly dies!
 You closely miss the necromancer.
 The necromancer is lightly wounded.
 Psyche looks braver.
_The necromancer hits you with a dagger of pain.
 You slash the necromancer! Your kick misses the necromancer.
 The necromancer is moderately wounded.
 Psyche gestures at you while chanting.
 The puff of flame hits your butterfly.
 Your butterfly dies!
_You smell something rotten. (slot a)
_Psyche hits you with a runed dagger.
 There is an open door, spattered with blood here.
 The necromancer gestures at you while chanting.
 You resist.
 Psyche points at you and mumbles some strange words.
_The puff of frost hits you! You resist.
 Psyche casts a spell at you.
 The magic dart hits you!
_* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
 Psyche laughs secretively.
 Psyche gestures wildly while chanting.
_Psyche seems to speed up.
 You hit Psyche. Your kick misses Psyche.
 Psyche is lightly wounded.
_Psyche hits you but does no damage.
 You hit Psyche. Your kick misses Psyche.
 Psyche is lightly wounded.
 Psyche hits you with a runed dagger.
_* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
 Psyche cries, "You've killed my pet!"
 Psyche points at you and mumbles some strange words.
_The puff of flame misses you.
 Psyche casts a spell at you.
 The puff of flame hits you! You resist.
_* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
_Psyche barely misses you. You furiously retaliate! You headbutt Psyche!
 Psyche hits you with a runed dagger.
 * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
_You partially resist. You feel drained.
 Psyche hits you with a dagger of chaos!
 * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
 You partially resist. You feel drained.
_* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
 You hit Psyche. Your kick misses Psyche. Your headbutt misses Psyche.
 Psyche is heavily wounded.
_Psyche hits you but does no damage.
 You hit Psyche. You kick Psyche.
 Psyche is severely wounded.
_Psyche drinks a potion. Psyche is healed!
 Quivering D - a throwing net [frayed] for throwing.
 You hit Psyche. You kick Psyche.
 Psyche is severely wounded.
 Psyche barely misses you. You furiously retaliate! You headbutt Psyche.
 Psyche laughs secretively.
 Psyche casts a spell at you.
 The puff of flame hits you! You resist.
_* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
 You closely miss Psyche. Your kick misses Psyche. Your headbutt misses Psyche.
 Psyche is severely wounded.
 "Let's see if it's strong enough to survive yet."
 Psyche's dagger of chaos dances into the air!
 It bites your dagger of chaos but does no damage.
 Something completely misses your dagger of chaos.
 It claws your dagger of chaos but does no damage.
 The necromancer closely misses your dagger of chaos.
 Psyche hits you.
_* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
 You hit Psyche.
 Psyche is almost dead.
_Psyche closely misses you.
 You hit Psyche.
 You kill Psyche!
 Your life force feels restored.
 Your dagger of chaos hits the hound simulacrum.
 The necromancer closely misses your dagger of chaos.
 The hound simulacrum barely misses your dagger of chaos.
 Something bites your dagger of chaos. Something freezes your dagger of chaos.
 Your dagger of chaos resists.
 Something closely misses your dagger of chaos.
_It claws your dagger of chaos but does no damage.
 Your dagger of chaos hits the hound simulacrum!
 The hound simulacrum vapourises!
 Something hits your dagger of chaos.
_Your dagger of chaos closely misses something.
 Your dagger of chaos closely misses something.
_Something misses your dagger of chaos. Your dagger of chaos misses something.
 Your Axes skill increases to level 16!
_You feel a bit more experienced.
_You feel a bit more experienced.
_You feel a bit more experienced.
 A kobold and a centaur come into view.
_The kobold shouts!
_The centaur wields a bow. The centaur shoots an arrow. The arrow misses you.
 The centaur shoots an arrow. The arrow hits your butterfly.
 Your butterfly dies!
_Your dagger of chaos barely misses the sheep simulacrum.
 The centaur shoots an arrow. The arrow misses your butterfly.
 The arrow hits you!
 * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
 Your dagger of chaos hits the sheep simulacrum!
 The sheep simulacrum misses your butterfly.
 The centaur shoots an arrow. The arrow hits your butterfly.
 Your butterfly dies!
 Your dagger of chaos hits the sheep simulacrum!
_The sheep simulacrum vapourises!
 The kobold misses your butterfly. The centaur shoots an arrow.
_The arrow misses your butterfly. The arrow misses you.
 The centaur shoots an arrow. The arrow misses your butterfly.
 The arrow misses your butterfly. The arrow misses you.
 The kobold barely misses your butterfly.
 The centaur shoots an arrow. The arrow hits your butterfly.
_Your butterfly dies!
 The kobold completely misses your butterfly.
_The hound simulacrum barely misses your butterfly.
 Quivering t - 2 darts of flame for throwing.
 You throw a dart of flame.
 The dart of flame misses the hound simulacrum.
 The centaur shoots an arrow. The arrow hits your butterfly.
 The hound simulacrum misses your butterfly.
 The kobold barely misses your dagger of chaos.
_The centaur shoots an arrow. The arrow misses you.
 You swap places.
 Your butterfly disappears in a puff of smoke! x2
_The hound simulacrum barely misses your butterfly.
 Quivering D - a throwing net [frayed] for throwing.
 You throw a throwing net [frayed].
 The throwing net [frayed] hits the kobold.
 The kobold is caught in the net!
 Your butterfly disappears in a puff of smoke!
 The kobold struggles to escape the net. Your dagger of chaos hits the centaur!
_Your dagger of chaos freezes the centaur.
 You swap places. The kobold struggles to escape the net.
_The hound simulacrum misses your butterfly.
 You swap places. The kobold struggles to escape the net.
 The centaur unwields an uncursed bow. The centaur completely misses you.
 Your dagger of chaos hits the centaur. The centaur is healed somewhat.
 The centaur closely misses you. You furiously retaliate!
 You headbutt the centaur!
_You kill the centaur!
 The kobold struggles against the net.
_The rat simulacrum completely misses your butterfly.
 The kobold struggles against the net. Your dagger of chaos hits the kobold!
_The kobold dies!
_You feel a little less clever now.
 You swap places.
 Your dagger of chaos hits the hound simulacrum!
 The hound simulacrum bites your butterfly.
 The hound simulacrum freezes your butterfly.
 Your dagger of chaos hits the hound simulacrum!
_The hound simulacrum vapourises!
 Your dagger of chaos hits the rat simulacrum!
_The rat simulacrum vapourises!
_You start resting.
_Your dagger of chaos falls from the air.
 You see here a dagger of chaos.
_v - a dagger of chaos
_You start resting.
_Your butterfly disappears in a puff of smoke!
_Your magical contamination has completely faded away.
_Your butterfly disappears in a puff of smoke! x2
_Your butterfly disappears in a puff of smoke!
_Your butterfly disappears in a puff of smoke! x2
_A hobgoblin comes into view. It is wielding an orcish club.
_Your butterfly disappears in a puff of smoke! x2
_You remove your ring of poison resistance.
 You hit the hobgoblin.
_You kill the hobgoblin!
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« Reply #165 on: February 19, 2014, 05:26:22 pm »
+3

Ok.  Big story time.  This is without a doubt my most epic crawl experience thus far.  I badly want to share it.


I was playing a Minotaur Gladiator of Xom, with a large amount of skill invested in Axes.  I had a book of random basic spells Xom gifted me, and shouting, hooves, and cold resist mutations.  I also had an amulet that blocks some deflects some attacks from summoned monsters.


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_This raw flesh tastes terrible.
_You continue eating. x2
_You start resting.
So, I'm chilling out, eating meat and healing up from 60% with the imp xom summoned for me.  Mostly new floor

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_Your crimson imp disappears in a puff of smoke!
 "Let's go for a ride!"
 Your surroundings suddenly seem different.
_Your surroundings suddenly seem different.
 Found a ring mail and 19 gold pieces.
 A necromancer and 2 simulacra come into view.
When Xom decides to make my life exciting and teleport me into a room with an extremely dangerous necromancer and some simulacra.  It's a roughly square room with a lower left door, lower right door, necromancer in the upper left, and a vertical dead end in the upper right hidden from the necro's line of sight.

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_The sheep simulacrum moves out of view.
_You now have 992 gold pieces (gained 19).
 You see here a ring mail.
Since the necro hasn't seen me yet I bolt for the dead end, hoping to regen that 40% before escaping or fighting. The sheep saw me, I hope it will forget about me.

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You start memorising the spell. You continue memorising.
I decide to try to memorize summon butterfly from the low level book even though my character is nonmagical up to this point.  Almost no other tricks are up my sleeve
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The sheep simulacrum bites you. Your memorisation is interrupted.
_The sheep simulacrum freezes you.
 You hit the sheep simulacrum.
 Your headbutt misses the sheep simulacrum.
 The sheep simulacrum barely misses you. You furiously retaliate!
_You headbutt the sheep simulacrum, but do no damage.
 You hit the sheep simulacrum. You kick the sheep simulacrum!
_The sheep simulacrum vapourises!
Woops, now I'm at 50%.  At least I am pretty sure now that only the sheep saw me.  I definitely have time to do a switch that leaves my AC temporarily low.
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You start removing your armour.
_You continue taking off your +0 orcish cloak.
 You finish taking off your +0 orcish cloak.
 You start removing your armour.
_You continue taking off your +1 ring mail. x5
 You finish taking off your +1 ring mail.
 You start putting on your armour.
_You continue putting on your +2 orcish robe of resistance. x2
 You finish putting on your +2 orcish robe of resistance.
 You feel resistant to extremes of temperature.
 You start putting on your armour.
_You continue putting on your +0 orcish cloak.
 You finish putting on your +0 orcish cloak.
That's better.
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_You start memorising the spell. You continue memorising.
_You finish memorising.
ok, cool.  Now I'll just hit 5 until I'm at full health, then summon 8 butterflies and make a break for it.
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_A yell rips itself from your throat!
_You hear a shout!
shiiiiiiiit
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You miscast Summon Butterflies.
 You are very lightly contaminated with residual magic.
[successful butterfly cast]
 Something misses your butterfly.
 Something completely misses your butterfly.
_Something barely misses your butterfly.
_You miscast Summon Butterflies. Nothing appears to happen.
 You don't have enough magic to cast that spell.
 It begins to drip with poison!
_B - an uncursed trident of venom (weapon)
 You reach to attack! You hit the grizzly bear simulacrum.
 The grizzly bear simulacrum misses your butterfly.
 The grizzly bear simulacrum completely misses your butterfly.
 The grizzly bear simulacrum claws your butterfly.
 The grizzly bear simulacrum freezes your butterfly!
_Your butterfly dies!
_You reach to attack! You hit the grizzly bear simulacrum.
 Your uncursed trident of venom stops dripping with poison.
 m - a +4,+1 orcish hand axe (weapon)
 The grizzly bear simulacrum barely misses you.
 You furiously retaliate!
 You headbutt the grizzly bear simulacrum.
 The grizzly bear simulacrum claws you but does no damage.
_The grizzly bear simulacrum closely misses you.
_You hit the grizzly bear simulacrum. You kick the grizzly bear simulacrum.
 You hit the grizzly bear simulacrum.
 The grizzly bear simulacrum barely misses you.
 You furiously retaliate!
 You headbutt the grizzly bear simulacrum.
 The grizzly bear simulacrum closely misses you.
 The grizzly bear simulacrum claws you.
 The grizzly bear simulacrum freezes you.
_You resist.
 You slash the grizzly bear simulacrum!
_The grizzly bear simulacrum vapourises!
_You feel clever all of a sudden.
Generic fighting against the frosties while my butterflies flutter.
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The necromancer hits your butterfly with a runed dagger.
 Your butterfly writhes in agony.
_Your butterfly dies!
 The necromancer casts a spell at you.
_You resist.
_The necromancer hits you with a dagger of pain.
Oh god, a dagger of pain.  I'm bolting past him to the lower right door.
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You open the door.
 9 simulacra come into view.
You gotta be kidding me.  A dead end with nothing but 9 simulacra I just released.
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_The necromancer hits you but does no damage.
_As you read the scroll of blinking, it crumbles to dust.
 You open the door.
I blink to the other door.  Please have up-stairs and a bat.
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Psyche comes into view. She is wielding a runed dagger.
_Psyche shouts!
Seriously? Definitely close enough to get some hits on me when I run past her to flee down the only hall this room has.  At least it is a 1 tile thick hall if I get there alive.  I don't expect to at this point.  I have no potions, no cards, no wild card scrolls, nothing but EV and cold resist rolls, butterflies, and Xom's funny ideas about honor at this point.
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Found a dagger.
 Psyche barely misses your butterfly.
Psyche you are usually unintimidating compared to other uniques but that's kind of a new low for you hun.
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The necromancer casts a spell at you.
 The bolt of cold hits you! You resist.
 The sheep simulacrum bites your butterfly.
_Your butterfly dies!
 You don't have enough magic to cast that spell.
 You hit the necromancer but do no damage.
 Your kick misses the necromancer. You headbutt the necromancer.
 The necromancer is lightly wounded.
 Psyche's eyes start to glow.
 The grizzly bear simulacrum barely misses your butterfly.
 The grizzly bear simulacrum claws your butterfly.
 The grizzly bear simulacrum freezes your butterfly!
_Your butterfly dies!
 You closely miss the necromancer.
 The necromancer is lightly wounded.
 Psyche looks braver.
_The necromancer hits you with a dagger of pain.
 You slash the necromancer! Your kick misses the necromancer.
 The necromancer is moderately wounded.
 Psyche gestures at you while chanting.
 The puff of flame hits your butterfly.
 Your butterfly dies!
The butterflies block Psyche's LoS for a moment so I try to see if the necro is surprisingly squishy for an "extremely dangerous".  He's not, so once Psyche destroys my butterfly cover I head back to the hall
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_Psyche hits you with a runed dagger.
 There is an open door, spattered with blood here.
 The necromancer gestures at you while chanting.
 You resist.
 Psyche points at you and mumbles some strange words.
_The puff of frost hits you! You resist.
 Psyche casts a spell at you.
 The magic dart hits you!
_* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
 Psyche laughs secretively.
 Psyche gestures wildly while chanting.
_Psyche seems to speed up.
Psyche is faster than me and demonstrating that she has the INT to kill me using spell that doesn't miss.  I don't have a choice besides fighting back now, and it looks really bleak.
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You hit Psyche. Your kick misses Psyche.
 Psyche is lightly wounded.
_Psyche hits you but does no damage.
 You hit Psyche. Your kick misses Psyche.
 Psyche is lightly wounded.
 Psyche hits you with a runed dagger.
_* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
 Psyche cries, "You've killed my pet!"
 Psyche points at you and mumbles some strange words.
_The puff of flame misses you.
 Psyche casts a spell at you.
 The puff of flame hits you! You resist.
_* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
_Psyche barely misses you. You furiously retaliate! You headbutt Psyche!
 Psyche hits you with a runed dagger.
 * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
_You partially resist. You feel drained.
 Psyche hits you with a dagger of chaos!
 * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
 You partially resist. You feel drained.
_* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
I am literally at 1/86 HP at this point guys.  1/86 HP.  There's still a blob of simulacrams in the hall waiting for their turn, and the necro.  But at least Psyche is wounded right?
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You hit Psyche. Your kick misses Psyche. Your headbutt misses Psyche.
 Psyche is heavily wounded.
_Psyche hits you but does no damage.
 You hit Psyche. You kick Psyche.
 Psyche is severely wounded.
_Psyche drinks a potion. Psyche is healed!
Not even..
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You hit Psyche. You kick Psyche.
 Psyche is severely wounded.
 Psyche barely misses you. You furiously retaliate! You headbutt Psyche.
 Psyche laughs secretively.
 Psyche casts a spell at you.
 The puff of flame hits you! You resist.
_* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
 You closely miss Psyche. Your kick misses Psyche. Your headbutt misses Psyche.
 Psyche is severely wounded.
I'm literally overdue for death at this point, not even gambler's fallacy, the chick is gonna get down to 1MP and cast magic dart because it's cheapest.
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"Let's see if it's strong enough to survive yet."
 Psyche's dagger of chaos dances into the air!
 It bites your dagger of chaos but does no damage.
 Something completely misses your dagger of chaos.
 It claws your dagger of chaos but does no damage.
 The necromancer closely misses your dagger of chaos.
0.0 I didn't even know Xom could do that!! Now Psyche is unarmed and my AC makes it very likely she does 0 damage.  She actually does just enough damage to counteract my regen and put me back to 1, of course.
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Psyche hits you.
_* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
 You hit Psyche.
 Psyche is almost dead.
_Psyche closely misses you.
 You hit Psyche.
 You kill Psyche!
 Your life force feels restored.
 Your dagger of chaos hits the hound simulacrum.
 The necromancer closely misses your dagger of chaos.
 The hound simulacrum barely misses your dagger of chaos.
 Something bites your dagger of chaos. Something freezes your dagger of chaos.
 Your dagger of chaos resists.
 Something closely misses your dagger of chaos.
_It claws your dagger of chaos but does no damage.
 Your dagger of chaos hits the hound simulacrum!
 The hound simulacrum vapourises!
 Something hits your dagger of chaos.
_Your dagger of chaos closely misses something.
 Your dagger of chaos closely misses something.
_Something misses your dagger of chaos. Your dagger of chaos misses something.
 Your Axes skill increases to level 16!
_You feel a bit more experienced.
_You feel a bit more experienced.
_You feel a bit more experienced.
I run away while the dagger distracts them.  It quickly falls to 1 HP as an act of loyalty and unity and then it starts owning stuff.
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A kobold and a centaur come into view.
_The kobold shouts!
_The centaur wields a bow. The centaur shoots an arrow. The arrow misses you.
 The centaur shoots an arrow. The arrow hits your butterfly.
It never ends.  I'm at 2-3 HP, and the hall lets out into an open area with these two ranged enemies with good accuracy.  I spam the hell out of butterflies and constantly try to juke and hide in the butterflies, hoping my dagger will finish all the dudes, then come over here and kill or distract the centaur.
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Your butterfly dies!
_Your dagger of chaos barely misses the sheep simulacrum.
 The centaur shoots an arrow. The arrow misses your butterfly.
 The arrow hits you!
 * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
 Your dagger of chaos hits the sheep simulacrum!
 The sheep simulacrum misses your butterfly.
 The centaur shoots an arrow. The arrow hits your butterfly.
 Your butterfly dies!
 Your dagger of chaos hits the sheep simulacrum!
_The sheep simulacrum vapourises!
 The kobold misses your butterfly. The centaur shoots an arrow.
_The arrow misses your butterfly. The arrow misses you.
 The centaur shoots an arrow. The arrow misses your butterfly.
 The arrow misses your butterfly. The arrow misses you.
 The kobold barely misses your butterfly.
 The centaur shoots an arrow. The arrow hits your butterfly.
_Your butterfly dies!
 The kobold completely misses your butterfly.
_The hound simulacrum barely misses your butterfly.
 Quivering t - 2 darts of flame for throwing.
 You throw a dart of flame.
 The dart of flame misses the hound simulacrum.
 The centaur shoots an arrow. The arrow hits your butterfly.
 The hound simulacrum misses your butterfly.
 The kobold barely misses your dagger of chaos.
_The centaur shoots an arrow. The arrow misses you.
 You swap places.
 Your butterfly disappears in a puff of smoke! x2
_The hound simulacrum barely misses your butterfly.
 Quivering D - a throwing net [frayed] for throwing.
 You throw a throwing net [frayed].
 The throwing net [frayed] hits the kobold.
 The kobold is caught in the net!
 Your butterfly disappears in a puff of smoke!
 The kobold struggles to escape the net. Your dagger of chaos hits the centaur!
_Your dagger of chaos freezes the centaur.
 You swap places. The kobold struggles to escape the net.
_The hound simulacrum misses your butterfly.
 You swap places. The kobold struggles to escape the net.
 The centaur unwields an uncursed bow. The centaur completely misses you.
 Your dagger of chaos hits the centaur. The centaur is healed somewhat.
 The centaur closely misses you. You furiously retaliate!
 You headbutt the centaur!
_You kill the centaur!
 The kobold struggles against the net.
_The rat simulacrum completely misses your butterfly.
 The kobold struggles against the net. Your dagger of chaos hits the kobold!
_The kobold dies!
_You feel a little less clever now.
 You swap places.
 Your dagger of chaos hits the hound simulacrum!
 The hound simulacrum bites your butterfly.
 The hound simulacrum freezes your butterfly.
 Your dagger of chaos hits the hound simulacrum!
_The hound simulacrum vapourises!
 Your dagger of chaos hits the rat simulacrum!
_The rat simulacrum vapourises!
_You start resting.
I finally five, the dagger kills everything.  Then it falls to the ground for me to keep.  I thank the Xoms, a lot.  Nothing wanders by before I 5 up to full HP, the end.
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« Reply #166 on: February 19, 2014, 10:03:57 pm »
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That was awesome.

I just died cuz of starvation. :( And I had randomly found dagger of pain on D6 which was so awesome as I switched to kiku.
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« Reply #167 on: February 20, 2014, 12:41:09 am »
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That was awesome.

I just died cuz of starvation. :( And I had randomly found dagger of pain on D6 which was so awesome as I switched to kiku.
Wow.  Outside a labyrinth, without hungry ghost impact? I've always had a big enough permafood cushion to not starve.
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« Reply #168 on: February 20, 2014, 12:45:10 am »
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So tell me what kikku is all about, because I notice when I read the bio from the god I often don't get the same "feel" the god will actually have when I worship it.  Like when I read about TSO I thought I was going to mainly have no benefit except some holy blasts of bonus damage to undead, but then when I actually played it, it has this very significant rent-a-shield mechanic going on and the anti-undead stuff turned out to be more Samson style clear or panic button uses.

For this reason I have yet to give some of them a shot yet.
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« Reply #169 on: February 20, 2014, 10:12:45 am »
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That was awesome.

I just died cuz of starvation. :( And I had randomly found dagger of pain on D6 which was so awesome as I switched to kiku.
Wow.  Outside a labyrinth, without hungry ghost impact? I've always had a big enough permafood cushion to not starve.

Yeah, in Lair. Well, I live only on permafood, did cast a lot of Invisibility and didn't find much food, so .. yeah.

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I get what you mean about Gods. While benefits of some are very clear (Oka), some are not.

So, Kiku. First, it is easy to please him. No condemned actions (other than renouncing him), and he is easy to please (just kill stuff).

Main benefits, I would say, are gifts. Particularly the second Necrobook and the final gift. But, lets go over him (I went Kiku with Necros and Enchants, so speaking from there).

* - you get the ability so summon corpses at will for small piety/good cost and the first necrobook.
Now, I didn't find summon corpses THAT useful. Mainly because, maybe as I didn't have Necromancy high enough, it was not consistent in what it gives. Sometimes I get like awesome troll corpses sometimes jackals. For that reason it worked somewhat better with Twisted Resurrection than Animate Dead and the like. It can also serve as quick food grab, esp if you are a Vampire. As I said, I don't think this is all that useful, but is ok.
The value of first Necrobook really depends on whether you started as Necromancer or not. If you did, many spells are redundant with your original spell book so it ain't all that flashy (Corpse Rot Sublimation of Blood are good, though).
If you started with another background it offers a good way to start learning necro, esp if you get Pain and Vampiric Draining.

** - Necro misscast and death curses protection. I didn't get a necro far enough to experience stronger death curses nor did I cast many high level risky spells to know how to rate this. Sigh.

*** - the most awesome of levels. You get the second necrobook. It has many great spells in it. Agony lets you torment ANYONE in LoS, Dispel Undead makes up for the fact that many other necro spells don't work on undead as it deals obsene amount of irresistable damage. You get a choice of summoning spells and possibly also Bolt of Draining. All of this is VERY strong. Note that zombies cannot follow you up/down stairs but abominations and spectral things can.

**** - Sickness protection from Hount never like came into play for me, and while Torment Protection might not be the flashiest of benefits it does help as torment can be quite painful at times. Okish, I guess.

***** - pray on corpse, Torment everything in sight. I was mostly afraid to use this. While you do get Torment protection, and the effect of halving everybody's hp in half is strong, still the price is high. Probably works the best if you have army of undead to protect you from further harm (also they are torment immune). Seems powerful, didn't test it.

****** - your choice - a pain brand on any non-artifact or the Necronomicon. This is why you always play Necromancer with a fast, weaker weapon rather than a slow, stronger ones (whips over morningstars etc). It can do huge amount of damage, and if you are a stabber, jeez.  Necronomicon seems quite strong, high-risk high-rewards spell that I didn't use yet.


tl;dr - brand and books awesome. Rest situational/up to you to decide.
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« Reply #170 on: February 20, 2014, 02:17:36 pm »
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query - what stuff do you guys stash? where?

Edit: also, you you triple-down? (find all stairs down, and go down and back up on each one, to gain more info about level).
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« Reply #171 on: February 21, 2014, 04:20:55 pm »
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So, I started experimenting with Warrior-Mages today. Tried some combos, latest one was DsWr. I pregame decided that I'll go with Makhleb. And so I find Makhleb shrine on D:2. Great.

Than I find +27 Lear's hauberk, which pretty much disables my spellcasting if worn. I also find an anti-magic trident and an Amulet of Rage. I also get 2x horn mutation and you gain a 1x you gain power with damage. This is all early-game, too. (like, XL6-7, am 9 ATM).

This kinda changed my build, I must say. :D Might revert back to a caster later.
Edit: Just bought unindentified artifact shield from shop, it is a large shield +Blink, +Fly, rElec, MR++. +Blink kinda makes up for spellcasting, and rest is just gravy.
Edit2: Dead to a set of unfair, large open levels. Meh.

(I also found sabre of pain, rPois, +4Str, +2Dex, sigh).
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« Reply #172 on: February 21, 2014, 09:52:40 pm »
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I stash on Lair2 because all the guides say to.  Sometimes I just dump stuff wherever if I'm only half sure I'll go back to it.

I tend to stash elementally resistive stuff that I will need for different branches.  Like you can do shoals without corrosion or mutation resistance but you want to keep that in your stock for slime pits.
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« Reply #173 on: February 21, 2014, 09:53:00 pm »
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I only triple down when I am playing well and not lazy, so basically never
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« Reply #174 on: February 21, 2014, 09:56:51 pm »
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I just died to poison while fiving, while I had a bunch of curing potions... ugh.
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