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Custom Black Market deck
« on: June 04, 2013, 07:16:59 am »
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I've been thinking recently about making RL Black Market setup easier. The idea I came at was making a Black Market deck to use all the time. The rules I invented are:
- there are 30 cards in the deck, they are alternate art versions of various Dominion cards,
- none of those cards can introduce extra setup rules or additional game components,
- cards should be of various cost and function,
- cards used should not be extra strong, but still decent, preferably above average,
- cards used should not need multiple copies to work.

Black Market setup rule becomes: take Black Market deck, remove all the cards that are already in the kingdom from it, use the remaining ones whenever someone plays Black Market.

Then I looked through the cards lists to choose the set. Initial composition I got is the following:

$2 Haven
$2 Crossroads
$2 Pawn
$3 Steward
$3 Watchtower
$3 Market Square
$3 Oracle
$3 Village
$4 Ironmonger
$4 Throne Room
$4 Smithy
$4 Workers' Village
$4 Horse Traders
$4 Cutpurse
$4 Spice Merchant
$4 Baron
$4 Feodum
$5 Vault
$5 Laboratory
$5 Haggler
$5 Upgrade
$5 Bazaar
$5 Catacombs
$5 Count
$5 Rabble
$5 Jester
$5 Counterfeit
$6 Altar
$6 Hoard
$6 Nobles

What do you think about such deck - will it decrease Black Market's variance (which was one of the thing I was aiming for) while leaving it playable often enough? Are there any problem cards I overlooked and should be removed or interesting additions you see?
« Last Edit: June 04, 2013, 03:07:50 pm by hsiale »
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Re: Custom Black Market deck
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2013, 02:54:44 pm »
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One card that jumps out at me in your list is feodum. It strikes me that if you're going for an alternate victory approach, you will need to be able to buy more than one, while buying one to trash for a little extra silver seems far too slow.
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Re: Custom Black Market deck
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2013, 03:13:24 pm »
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That's true. I wanted two green cards in the set, Nobles was an easy choice, Island was out due to extra setup rules and Great Hall is too weak, leaving me with pure green cards to choose, with each of them (I considered also Gardens and Silk Road) giving exactly the same problem of multiples needed for it to work well. What do you think about removing Altar and Feodum, replacing them with Fairgrounds (which combos well with Black Market) and some $4 (Trader? Scavenger?)?
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Re: Custom Black Market deck
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2013, 03:17:29 pm »
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That's true. I wanted two green cards in the set, Nobles was an easy choice, Island was out due to extra setup rules and Great Hall is too weak, leaving me with pure green cards to choose, with each of them (I considered also Gardens and Silk Road) giving exactly the same problem of multiples needed for it to work well. What do you think about removing Altar and Feodum, replacing them with Fairgrounds (which combos well with Black Market) and some $4 (Trader? Scavenger?)?

It probably combos too well with Black Market.
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Re: Custom Black Market deck
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2013, 06:20:28 pm »
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It's a shame island requires extra set-up, because otherwise it would be perfect.

How about Harem?
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Re: Custom Black Market deck
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2013, 06:31:37 pm »
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Harem would be an easy choice, but I'd put Island in anyway, it's not like you really need mats when it's just one player playing one copy of Island. Even if they Kings Court it, you only have four cards to keep track of. Use a drink coaster or something?
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Re: Custom Black Market deck
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2013, 07:53:43 pm »
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Wouldn't Tunnel make a good choice?

It's got a useful reaction, you don't need more than one...
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Re: Custom Black Market deck
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2013, 09:31:06 pm »
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I think Guilds' coin tokens are evidence that these mats are not as essential as we may have been led to believe.  They're convenient, but I would just include Island anyhow and trust that your play group can handle it.
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Re: Custom Black Market deck
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2013, 08:59:29 am »
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I think Guilds' coin tokens are evidence that these mats are not as essential as we may have been led to believe.  They're convenient, but I would just include Island anyhow and trust that your play group can handle it.
The mats only exist so you don't confuse your discard pile with your tucked away Island cards or Native Village cards with your draw deck.

If you think you can keep them apart without using mats, go ahead. ;)
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Re: Custom Black Market deck
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2013, 09:48:15 am »
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does anyone actually play with mats?  I don't think i've ever done it...
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Re: Custom Black Market deck
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2013, 12:00:46 pm »
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does anyone actually play with mats?  I don't think i've ever done it...

I always do.
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Re: Custom Black Market deck
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2013, 01:37:25 pm »
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I used to, but I'm too lazy to get them out nowadays.
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Re: Custom Black Market deck
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2013, 11:49:06 pm »
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does anyone actually play with mats?  I don't think i've ever done it...
I like the Prosperity VP mats. I can play with the one with the ships and pretend to be a thalassocracy (especially if there are a bunch of Seaside cards out). I can play as the one that kinda looks like an Abbey and pretend to be a Prince-Archbishop. Those are my favorites, but the others can be kinda nice too. I like the concept of the Seaside mats forming a picture when combined, but I prefer the unique Prosperity ones. Especially since we frequently end up in VP chip heavy games with a small pile of 5 1VP chips next to our mats as we make change; that actually serves a reasonable purpose.

But I admit that I'm weird.
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Re: Custom Black Market deck
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2013, 10:59:15 am »
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I hate this far less than I hate Black Market as it is. Nice work.
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Re: Custom Black Market deck
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2013, 01:05:49 pm »
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I think I'm going to scour BGG for every fan card ever mocked up, and print them out, and make THAT my Black Market deck.
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