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[Robz888]

Vote: Mail-mi

He's the most suspicious character to me so far.

but why

I posted why I find him suspicious like 8 or so posts before yours.

Ya that checks out

[nkirbit]

..Okay?

Are you still on the chairs lynch plan, btw?

[yuma]

nkirbit:

he voted for mcmc pretty opportunistically for the VT claim.

Unvoted when mcmc got to L-1 and never really looked back at it.

He has slowly eased into the mail-mi vote starting off with a "I am not sure about this yuma..." to questioning mail-mi and then a "mail-mi has been kinda scummy" to an actual vote.

He has also been suspicious of chairs. Right now if this were a bastard game and everyone were town, I would say that chairs and mail-mi would be considered the easy mislynches. However, like I said before I don't know their alignments and if they actually are "easy mislynches" but it does make me more wary of them.

He has been open with his reads. yuma and sb town, voltaire, mcmc (now he is a null read!) and lio null.

Liopoil:

His LVS self referencing is a tactic that I could see as scum, but alone isn't enough to be suspicious of.

He was also on the mcmc wagon, but had started it up, but not for the VT stuff.

he has defended... well maybe not defended, but not found suspicious, chairs.

and also joined the mail-mi wagon after I did.

Of the two I find nkirbit the scummier. He is in a position where I would expect scum to be, kinda in the middle, not lurking not being extremely vocal. He has been on the three main "easy" wagons in mcmc, chairs and mail-mi but has stayed away from the more controversial votes (yuma, robz). I still think mail-mi is suspicious, but I am going to try out a vote: nkirbit

[spiritbears]

nkirbit:

he voted for mcmc pretty opportunistically for the VT claim.

Unvoted when mcmc got to L-1 and never really looked back at it.

He has slowly eased into the mail-mi vote starting off with a "I am not sure about this yuma..." to questioning mail-mi and then a "mail-mi has been kinda scummy" to an actual vote.

He has also been suspicious of chairs. Right now if this were a bastard game and everyone were town, I would say that chairs and mail-mi would be considered the easy mislynches. However, like I said before I don't know their alignments and if they actually are "easy mislynches" but it does make me more wary of them.

He has been open with his reads. yuma and sb town, voltaire, mcmc (now he is a null read!) and lio null.

Liopoil:

His LVS self referencing is a tactic that I could see as scum, but alone isn't enough to be suspicious of.

He was also on the mcmc wagon, but had started it up, but not for the VT stuff.

he has defended... well maybe not defended, but not found suspicious, chairs.

and also joined the mail-mi wagon after I did.

Of the two I find nkirbit the scummier. He is in a position where I would expect scum to be, kinda in the middle, not lurking not being extremely vocal. He has been on the three main "easy" wagons in mcmc, chairs and mail-mi but has stayed away from the more controversial votes (yuma, robz). I still think mail-mi is suspicious, but I am going to try out a vote: nkirbit

This is a pretty good read of nk....up the point you vote him....at which point you totally lose me.
No is town...for every reason you state here....

[spiritbears]

(NK) that is....
Sorry for the lulz...

[yuma]

nkirbit:

he voted for mcmc pretty opportunistically for the VT claim.

Unvoted when mcmc got to L-1 and never really looked back at it.

He has slowly eased into the mail-mi vote starting off with a "I am not sure about this yuma..." to questioning mail-mi and then a "mail-mi has been kinda scummy" to an actual vote.

He has also been suspicious of chairs. Right now if this were a bastard game and everyone were town, I would say that chairs and mail-mi would be considered the easy mislynches. However, like I said before I don't know their alignments and if they actually are "easy mislynches" but it does make me more wary of them.

He has been open with his reads. yuma and sb town, voltaire, mcmc (now he is a null read!) and lio null.

Liopoil:

His LVS self referencing is a tactic that I could see as scum, but alone isn't enough to be suspicious of.

He was also on the mcmc wagon, but had started it up, but not for the VT stuff.

he has defended... well maybe not defended, but not found suspicious, chairs.

and also joined the mail-mi wagon after I did.

Of the two I find nkirbit the scummier. He is in a position where I would expect scum to be, kinda in the middle, not lurking not being extremely vocal. He has been on the three main "easy" wagons in mcmc, chairs and mail-mi but has stayed away from the more controversial votes (yuma, robz). I still think mail-mi is suspicious, but I am going to try out a vote: nkirbit

This is a pretty good read of nk....up the point you vote him....at which point you totally lose me.
No is town...for every reason you state here....

town because he has voted for the opportunistic wagons? Ok...

[nkirbit]

What's your reasoning for having a townread on me SB?  What Yuma has said about me is true, and could either be applied to town!nkirbit, who thinks that people have made decent cases, or scum!nkirbit, who is trying to get opportunistic wagons going.  Why do you think it's the first and not the second?

[nkirbit]

tempted to liopoil, only because he is almost always right on my alignment and he isn't here.

This is odd.  The last game Lio and Mcmc were in, they spent all of day 1 screaming at each other as town vs town.

[Robz888]

Definitely, definitely agree on the nkirbit case. I like it better than your case on mail-mi, mail-mi just feels like a mislynch, right? For most of IRL today, I felt like we were headed toward a mail-mi lynch, and that I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him flip town.

The nkirbit case is much better. And he's a smart guy, he plays like a smart guy, and I think he would play scum sort of fairly competently (from his perspective) but might still get caught by someone like you or me, who knows what to look for in a newbie scum.

Do I like it better than my chairs case? I guess so.

Vote: nkirbit

[Robz888]

Is mcmc in this game? Has he spoken? I have no memory of it.

I mean, the only people who are making comments that even register with me (in that I can recall them at all) are yuma and SB, and liopoil a little bit.

[chairs]

I thought I was pretty active, though I guess my scumhunt-fu is weak

[Voltaire]

Is mcmc in this game? Has he spoken? I have no memory of it.

You don't remember the whole did-he-claim VT thing? He hasn't posted much, but what he has posted has been memorable.

Yuma's case on nkirbit looks pretty good. It's the first case from someone else I've agreed with, but I'm not quite ready to vote nkirbit:

I would say that chairs and mail-mi would be considered the easy mislynches.

Yet mail-mi was your vote - was it who joined that wagon that had you realize your case on mail-mi was bad? What does that say about your initial reasons?

mcmc, please do post soon (I know it's Tuesday, yadayadayada). You're the only one I'm treating as obvtown for now, so I'd like to know where you stand.

[yuma]

I would say that chairs and mail-mi would be considered the easy mislynches.

Yet mail-mi was your vote - was it who joined that wagon that had you realize your case on mail-mi was bad? What does that say about your initial reasons?

mcmc, please do post soon (I know it's Tuesday, yadayadayada). You're the only one I'm treating as obvtown for now, so I'd like to know where you stand.

I don't think my case on mail-mi was necessarily bad. It is just that I don't know if mail-mi is actually scum or just scummy. And I won't "know" until he flips, obviously, but even then I am not confident in my case in the way I am sometimes more confident. This lack of confidence makes me look around and wonder if he is actually scum...

if I were to quote a part of my post that says what I am really thinking it wouldn't be what you quoted it would be

Right now if this were a bastard game and everyone were town, I would say that chairs and mail-mi would be considered the easy mislynches. However, like I said before I don't know their alignments and if they actually are "easy mislynches" but it does make me more wary of them.

Obviously this isn't a bastard game and everyone isn't town. But right now the little bit of scumminess I see in mail-mi isn't as striking to me as nkirbits being on the three "easy" lynches right now.

[Voltaire]

Alright, I can go for vote: nkirbit. I believe that's 3. Can we get an updated vote count?

nkirbit, why so many wagons?

[Voltaire]

unvote

Remembered Robz's vote, not sure if I put nkirbit at L-1 or not. Holding off until we have a vote count.

[spiritbears]

Man I feel like the nk is the weakest one yet!  So the entire case is he voted yes on the three main lunch candidates?  Well geez that's damning...maybe he just found the cases compelling?  No we have to assign bad motive to voting....I don't like how this game is being manipulated by scum.

[Voltaire]

I don't like how this game is being manipulated by scum.

Which would be who? I'm not ready to lynch nkirbit but I am ready to vote for him. Votes apply pressure and reactions under pressure are useful. I'm quite happy going back to yuma if nkirbit is cleared.

[yuma]

Man I feel like the nk is the weakest one yet!  So the entire case is he voted yes on the three main lunch candidates?  Well geez that's damning...maybe he just found the cases compelling?  No we have to assign bad motive to voting....I don't like how this game is being manipulated by scum.

it is! or at least it can be. Take for example ashersky in the last game... Mean Girls. Day1 he was on all of the main lynch wagons... mail-mi, robz and sudgy.

Day2 I called him out on it (bussing as partners) and we had a nice long argument about it that everyone else ignored. If others might have latched onto that, you might have put pressure on him before he claimed... but you guys didn't. but that really isn't the point.

the point is that a tactic that scum often uses is to try and be on the main lynches to push them to go through. It is especially a tactic to not create any of the cases, but to try and be the 2nd or 3rd player onto said wagons. Which is exactly what nk is doing... he hasn't created any of the cases on chairs, nkirbit or mail-mi... he jumped onto them when they were in full swing... It has a great potential to be scummy, yet you are refusing to see it (is it because I am the one presenting it? What if someone else were putting the case forward? would that change your mind?)

[spiritbears]

Man I feel like the nk is the weakest one yet!  So the entire case is he voted yes on the three main lunch candidates?  Well geez that's damning...maybe he just found the cases compelling?  No we have to assign bad motive to voting....I don't like how this game is being manipulated by scum.

it is! or at least it can be. Take for example ashersky in the last game... Mean Girls. Day1 he was on all of the main lynch wagons... mail-mi, robz and sudgy.

Day2 I called him out on it (bussing as partners) and we had a nice long argument about it that everyone else ignored. If others might have latched onto that, you might have put pressure on him before he claimed... but you guys didn't. but that really isn't the point.

the point is that a tactic that scum often uses is to try and be on the main lynches to push them to go through. It is especially a tactic to not create any of the cases, but to try and be the 2nd or 3rd player onto said wagons. Which is exactly what nk is doing... he hasn't created any of the cases on chairs, nkirbit or mail-mi... he jumped onto them when they were in full swing... It has a great potential to be scummy, yet you are refusing to see it (is it because I am the one presenting it? What if someone else were putting the case forward? would that change your mind?)

Again Yuma. It has nothing to do with animus toward you...I have none. And I'm not saying you are the scum manipulating town. But I feel like wagons are forming and getting close to lynches very quickly without enough discussion or good reasons.  Maybe nk's opportunistic voting is part of the problem.  But does that justify the opportunistic voting on his wagon?? I say take a look at how this latest wagon formed.  I would bet there is scum on the wagon.   (Also your list includes nk himself...not sure whst that's about)

[spiritbears]

So robz questions nk, (because he failed to read his analysis of why mai is suspicious), re-reads and then says "that checks out"....but less than a page later he votes nk, without much reasoning at all....super scummy
vote robz

[yuma]

Man I feel like the nk is the weakest one yet!  So the entire case is he voted yes on the three main lunch candidates?  Well geez that's damning...maybe he just found the cases compelling?  No we have to assign bad motive to voting....I don't like how this game is being manipulated by scum.

it is! or at least it can be. Take for example ashersky in the last game... Mean Girls. Day1 he was on all of the main lynch wagons... mail-mi, robz and sudgy.

Day2 I called him out on it (bussing as partners) and we had a nice long argument about it that everyone else ignored. If others might have latched onto that, you might have put pressure on him before he claimed... but you guys didn't. but that really isn't the point.

the point is that a tactic that scum often uses is to try and be on the main lynches to push them to go through. It is especially a tactic to not create any of the cases, but to try and be the 2nd or 3rd player onto said wagons. Which is exactly what nk is doing... he hasn't created any of the cases on chairs, nkirbit or mail-mi... he jumped onto them when they were in full swing... It has a great potential to be scummy, yet you are refusing to see it (is it because I am the one presenting it? What if someone else were putting the case forward? would that change your mind?)

Again Yuma. It has nothing to do with animus toward you...I have none. And I'm not saying you are the scum manipulating town. But I feel like wagons are forming and getting close to lynches very quickly without enough discussion or good reasons.  Maybe nk's opportunistic voting is part of the problem.  But does that justify the opportunistic voting on his wagon?? I say take a look at how this latest wagon formed.  I would bet there is scum on the wagon.   (Also your list includes nk himself...not sure whst that's about)

If you are still voting for me... which you are last I checked... it means that you think I am scum and am manipulating town. And I know what you are saying in regard to "good reasons" like I said it is Day1. Nothing that comes out of this is going to be great, but just because it isn't great doesn't mean it isn't worth something. And further I agree with you, if nkiribit is town (something that I don't know, and if you are town, you shouldn't know either...) there likely is mafia on it.

NK in the list should be mcmc... sorry typo.

[spiritbears]

See above

[Voltaire]

So robz questions nk, (because he failed to read his analysis of why mai is suspicious), re-reads and then says "that checks out"....but less than a page later he votes nk, without much reasoning at all....super scummy
vote robz

Robz could have not read yuma's post until after that, though.

[spiritbears]

So robz questions nk, (because he failed to read his analysis of why mai is suspicious), re-reads and then says "that checks out"....but less than a page later he votes nk, without much reasoning at all....super scummy
vote robz

Robz could have not read yuma's post until after that, though.

I don't understand whst you are saying.  Reread the page before this one. Look at how robz came to be on the nk bandwagon....scummy

[Voltaire]

So robz questions nk, (because he failed to read his analysis of why mai is suspicious), re-reads and then says "that checks out"....but less than a page later he votes nk, without much reasoning at all....super scummy
vote robz

Robz could have not read yuma's post until after that, though.

I don't understand whst you are saying.  Reread the page before this one. Look at how robz came to be on the nk bandwagon....scummy

Yuma posted his case on nkirbit after all of this. If yuma added new info (which I agree with), then it's not scummy for Robz to join if he thinks the case is good (if it overrides his previous opinions).