Commenting on many posts. I trimmed quotes for clarity and succinctness:
about mcmc's post:
People are calling this out as a VT-claim. It obviously isn't a claim...
Thus I am now pretty suspicious of people who voted for mcmc.... lio, robz, nkirtib and chairs.
Lio voted, but not about the claim.
Robz has a policy vote... I get policy votes... I do them for self voting, but they are also a good place to cover yourself. I have voted for someone as mafia for self voting and it was nice because I could hide my vote that way.
nkirbit's is also a policy vote apparently, but he doesn't have the history of policy voting in such a way.
chairs.... his vote is the most suspicious.
... He starts off talking about mcmc, but doens't expalin why it makes him more likely to be scum but in the end says very little of the paragraph about mcmc. I have done this before as mafia. Where I start out with a read and end up moving the topic of conversation away from that read within the paragraph...
and then there is this:
Well that's too quick of a wagon for him to be scum. Although that was a suspicious post.
This screams to me of mail-mi trying to get on the town side of mcmc's future flip (I think he will flip town, I think mail-mi perhaps knows he will flip town) but at the same time slightly advocating the votes and the lynch by admitting that it was a suspicious post.. (it wasn't...)
so right now I am most suspicious of mail-mi and chairs...
I'll vote for either... vote: mail-mi
Agreed it is clearly not a claim, and yes, like you said, I voted mcmc for different reasons. those were that the reasons he states later in the posts for things I feel to be very weak. He's clarified his reasoning in a later post, which I'll address later.
I don't think that your point on chairs is all too strong. all you say is that he went off on a tangent in the middle of his paragraph. Sure, scum can do that on purpose, but town can also accidentally go off on tangents. I read that as virtually null.
I agree with your point on mail-mi. I'll add that if mcmc is scum, it's still scummy, because it could very easily be defending his buddy. I'm not calling the scumteam, just saying that mail-mi's post is scummy no matter what mcmc's alignment is.
I really have to wonder about chairs. Not just the folding kind. But the kind here that keep bringing up a scummy move, even after they have been told we view it as beneficial to scum not town....trying too hard to make mc look scummy while deflecting it's (are chairs of the male persuasion?) scummiwh move (working toward no-lynch).
vote chase lounges
wait, what? Chairs hasn't mentioned no-lynch this game I think, and didn't exactly work towards a no-lynch last game either!
Someone else asked why I felt Yuma was town and liopoil scummy. If you remember I had a scum read on Yuma and a town on liopoil when the reset started liopoil seemed off(I mean his opening posts felt like forced participation) I think if we were ever going to get a time where scum was going to not know how to act it would be here getting rolled into scum in a reset game. It could e because liopoil was very helpful and starting up conversation in the first game and lio didn't know how to do that again. But to me he started this game off just trying to be there but not really giving original content and creating discussion.
Where as Yuma this game I felt he came out right away using any and all tools to analyze how people would act and where we may catch scum, overall being protown, which this early is enough to give me a town read.
Lastly my town read on sb. I'm not giving him free town cred, I meant it like this: last game I had a strong town read I spirit bears, I felt he was being very protown, he turned out to be scum. So my instinct would be to say whenever spiritbears is really protown he has to be scum, the issue wit that is he has been very protown as town before. So to remedy this I am just going to continue to find him towny for the things I except to be towny traits and will not find him scummy unless he does something to merit a scum read.
You didn't have a townread on me last game, you put me on the scummy side, as always:
Slight Scum:
liopoil --explanation here--
I think I contributed at the start enough. There was hardly anything to say. Last time because there was nothing to say so I was all jokey and smiley. I didn't do that this time. And there you go again, "he seems off". I always seem off, I guess I play each game differently. Robz jumped on me right at the start last game for being jokey and smiley. In DS9 I was town and was always on the lower end of the posting. I was the biggest poster in Bankers while I was alive, and in mean girls I had the most posts of any town-aligned player by a ton. playing each game differently I think is a good move and shouldn't be scummy.
Dude, you can't read yuma based on his level of analysis and contributions, he will ALWAYS post big helpful posts. people need to stop giving him towncred for that, it makes it too easy for him when he's scum.
Again for SB: If a player does thing you deem townie no matter what their alignment, then there's something wrong with what you deem townie. If a player does the same thing every game then them doing the same thing again has got to be a null read.
I put my vote on Mcmc because I disagreed with the way he is reasoning. Even when I don't agree with town!mcmc's conclusions, I always understand the way he came to those conclusions, and agree with his method, just disagree with the 'evidence' he used to reason with. Here, I don't agree with his reasoning at all. scum!mcmc has to make reasoning up because he knows the people he accuses are town. I think it makes sense for this to be the case, and I am keeping my vote on him for now.
Is no one else on chairs? Do people disagree with me? He made a really scummy move. Remember that this is his first game, where if he is scum, he is likely to make accidental scum moves.
Nope, don't really think that was too scummy of a move. you say his mcmc vote was "wagoning" and "dangerous". I assume you mean in regard to him putting mcmc at L-1. I think it reasonable that he didn't realize he was putting him at L-1, or that he didn't think that was too big of a deal. slightly scummy at best.
First thought: that wagon formed really quickly, I don't think mcmc is scum. Second thought: but that was a suspicious post. Hm.
Right now I have a townish read on mcmc because scum mcmc is calm cool and collecting. Town mcmc is more clumsy.
...but not because the wagon formed quickly? And I haven't seen much to suggest that mcmc is more clumsy as town...