Topic: So the new Hinterlands cards are coming out... thoughts? (Read 104492 times)

ChaosRed · « **Reply #225 on:** October 17, 2011, 04:28:02 pm »

Can't translate German, but clearly on the German PDF of spoilers there are VP cards that gain points on the aggregation of certain cards in this set as well, so yeah, Hinterlands really complements Gardens well and in some cases complements Duke/Dutchy well too. In general, wide decks seem to be part of the "theme" of the expansion.

Thisisnotasmile · « **Reply #226 on:** October 17, 2011, 04:58:01 pm »

Donald X has spoiled the whole expansion in English to avoid people mistranslating the German text:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/7670107#7670107

Are we still not allowed to talk about them here, Davio?

HiveMindEmulator · « **Reply #227 on:** October 17, 2011, 05:01:09 pm »

Quote from: Thisisnotasmile on October 17, 2011, 04:58:01 pm

Donald X has spoiled the whole expansion in English to avoid people mistranslating the German text:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/7670107#7670107

Are we still not allowed to talk about them here, Davio?

Looks like I was separate-thread ninja'd. I just made another thread about it. I guess discussing it there keeps this one spoiler-free.

WanderingWinder · « **Reply #228 on:** October 17, 2011, 05:15:08 pm »

Just played a IGG/Counting House deck. It works (I was up against remake/Wharf on a colony board, I also had goons help, and there were crossroads. It was fairly close, though we likely both misplayed).

mischiefmaker · « **Reply #229 on:** October 17, 2011, 05:26:12 pm »

I'm curious, WW, how did the Crossroads play in that deck?

I played a board with crossroads a couple of days ago, and without victory cards in the kingdom I found them to rarely draw me more than 1 card, but there's an excellent chance I played the card incorrectly.

WanderingWinder · « **Reply #230 on:** October 17, 2011, 05:42:06 pm »

Well, didn't help me much, one or two could probably have really helped my opponent chain for the 3 actions. Nobody was going to have many green in their hand until quite late.

matt979 · « **Reply #231 on:** October 17, 2011, 05:48:50 pm »

Quote from: Saucery on October 16, 2011, 03:04:42 am

remodelling border villages into provinces is strong werk

For that fraction of a percent of the time that Border Village, Hunting Party, and Bishop are all on the same board, playing a bunch of HPs, bishop-trashing a BV, then buying a BV (and gaining another HP) is quite fun.

Fangz · « **Reply #232 on:** October 17, 2011, 06:48:43 pm »

Quote from: HiveMindEmulator on October 17, 2011, 05:01:09 pm

Quote from: Thisisnotasmile on October 17, 2011, 04:58:01 pm
Donald X has spoiled the whole expansion in English to avoid people mistranslating the German text:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/7670107#7670107

Are we still not allowed to talk about them here, Davio?
Looks like I was separate-thread ninja'd. I just made another thread about it. I guess discussing it there keeps this one spoiler-free.

I kinda prefer that thread was never made. It fragments the discussion unnecessarily and now people don't focus and discuss the same cards any more.

ackack · « **Reply #233 on:** October 17, 2011, 06:49:21 pm »

Come on over and discuss the same cards, then. Thus far the discussion seems pretty focused.

Davio · « **Reply #234 on:** October 18, 2011, 03:35:09 am »

Quote from: Thisisnotasmile on October 17, 2011, 04:58:01 pm

Donald X has spoiled the whole expansion in English to avoid people mistranslating the German text:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/7670107#7670107

Are we still not allowed to talk about them here, Davio?

Well, if he's no longer releasing separate previews, I see nothing wrong with discussing them here. But then again, there's the other thread.

pooka · « **Reply #235 on:** October 18, 2011, 12:38:28 pm »

I had a pretty exciting game with Crossroads, Vault, Dukes and Colonies. I sprang to an early lead with 7x7 dukes and duchies, but the other guy kept chasing me to a 99/101 score with 4 empty VP stacks. It was pretty intense. It's not up on CR yet, though.

pooka · « **Reply #236 on:** October 18, 2011, 01:09:35 pm »

Tunnel + Hamlet, man.

pooka · « **Reply #237 on:** October 18, 2011, 01:30:37 pm »

Farmland just trashed a province (with nothing to gain). You gotta watch that sucker. Or I'm just too impatient a player. I gotta slow down and read.

Kahryl · « **Reply #238 on:** October 18, 2011, 05:36:58 pm »

Tunnel is way too good.. $3 for 2 VP is great all by itself and now there's a perfect combo with any discard effect ever!

pooka · « **Reply #239 on:** October 18, 2011, 07:46:47 pm »

I actually got more golds out of my opponent playing Tribute in the game with the hamlets. I guess he didn't mind either since the card was victory and reaction... I think. I've played so much new stuff today, I'm kind of getting confused.

dondon151 · « **Reply #240 on:** October 18, 2011, 08:06:11 pm »

Tribute doesn't give a bonus for Reaction-type cards, if that's what you meant to imply.

ChaosRed · « **Reply #241 on:** October 18, 2011, 08:59:59 pm »

Hinterlands is hard, I have yet to run a board with Hinterland cards to my satisfaction, even when I win, I find I make a lot of mistakes. It's a very tricky expansion I think.

Jack Monkey Squat · « **Reply #242 on:** October 18, 2011, 09:54:55 pm »

I hate this set... now there are a few cards that I like (crossroads!) and it's nice in the sense that there's a lot of manipulation that can be done with all the discarding, deck re-stacking, re-ordering and such... but there's just so much small text on all of these cards and all these choices make the games take a really long time... plus I think that while they give a sophisticated player lots of options, they'll probably create a wider gulf between the know-it-all who has studied and mastered the set and a relatively newer player... the learning curve feels a lot steeper than it did for any other set...

jonts26 · « **Reply #243 on:** October 18, 2011, 10:03:00 pm »

Just so we're clear, you hate this set because the complex cards require a bit more text and it's more rewarding to players who actively try to improve their game. I mean, I guess I agree, but if you feel like the game here is too complex, remember that this is the 7th version. If you want you can stick to the earlier versions.

mischiefmaker · « **Reply #244 on:** October 18, 2011, 10:22:06 pm »

He has a point, though. I love this set precisely because it has so much potential, so many as-yet undiscovered interactions, so many ways for a good player to take advantage of the subtleties of the set. Lots to think about on every turn -- not even the opening turns are mechanical any more. (Or at least I think that's how I feel, until I play enough games to feel otherwise.) And I'd guess most of the people on this forum feel the same way.

But some of us also play the game with more casual friends, for whom "everyone takes a few minutes every turn thinking about all the possibilities" + "many interactions that require that I know and appreciate the nuances of not only this set but other sets" = learning curve is too steep, thanks but I'd rather play something else.

cayvie · « **Reply #245 on:** October 18, 2011, 10:29:19 pm »

To borrow a term from Magic, complexity creep.

ftl · « **Reply #246 on:** October 18, 2011, 10:45:41 pm »

Is it really that big of a deal, though?

What casual player is going to end up getting all the way up to the 7th expansion while still staying casual?

chwhite · « **Reply #247 on:** October 18, 2011, 10:49:18 pm »

Oh, I definitely agree that Hinterlands is really geared towards experienced players only in a way that surpasses even Alchemy. The cards are more complex than what we've seen before, and incredibly non-obvious in their strengths and weaknesses, and while many of us (myself included) here love and want that stuff, I don't blame more casual players for being turned off.

So, complexity creep for sure, and that's only natural. But, interestingly, not power creep: I'm seeing a lot of situational cards and very few if any must-buys. Cornucopia was actually an incredibly powerful set of cards, with fully half the set absolutely elite and the other half still pretty good, and Prosperity and Seaside were both also much much stronger than the base set. By contrast, it really seems that Hinterlands has dialed the power level down several notches: even the vaunted Crossroads is, I bet, going to very often be a bad buy.

Given how strong the past few sets have been, I think this is absolutely the right thing for the game, by the way.

blackb · « **Reply #248 on:** October 19, 2011, 06:54:17 am »

Quote from: pooka on October 18, 2011, 01:30:37 pm

Farmland just trashed a province (with nothing to gain). You gotta watch that sucker. Or I'm just too impatient a player. I gotta slow down and read.

Use Farmland to trash another Farmland getting a province. Usefull in sets where it's difficult to get up to 8.

Thisisnotasmile · « **Reply #249 on:** October 19, 2011, 07:05:03 am »

Buy Farmland when you're Possessing your opponent

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