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Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)
« Reply #300 on: June 25, 2013, 05:47:04 pm »

And now where is everyone else???
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Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)
« Reply #301 on: June 25, 2013, 05:48:59 pm »

Well, I've been letting you get your thoughts down and for the promised information on raerae... which, if you pardon me, I will be a little leary of because of mean girls...

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Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)
« Reply #302 on: June 25, 2013, 05:56:13 pm »

Well, to start, I think we need to get the lurkers to come out:
chairs
mail-mi
haven't heard much from you in a while
and we could also probably hear some more from eevee.

Also, Why haven't we heard anything back from ashersky in a while?  I know there is a time difference, but what do you think about things since your last post?  What do you think of the no-lynch talks? What do you think about TA and raerae's fight?

Why didn't I make the list of lurkers!  I've been lurking as much as anyone else has!
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Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)
« Reply #303 on: June 25, 2013, 05:57:33 pm »

true, but when you have posted, there has been substance.  All I know about mail-mi is he likes ham and pastrami...

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Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)
« Reply #304 on: June 25, 2013, 06:00:18 pm »

Well, I've been letting you get your thoughts down and for the promised information on raerae... which, if you pardon me, I will be a little leary of because of mean girls...

Oh, right, that.

I've got nothing on raerae.  unvote

Just wanted to gauge reactions.  Stuff for us to analyze now, including the non-reactions of folks and the over-reaction of folks.
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Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)
« Reply #305 on: June 25, 2013, 06:02:56 pm »

Well, I've been letting you get your thoughts down and for the promised information on raerae... which, if you pardon me, I will be a little leary of because of mean girls...

Oh, right, that.

I've got nothing on raerae.  unvote

Just wanted to gauge reactions.  Stuff for us to analyze now, including the non-reactions of folks and the over-reaction of folks.
I see... sorry for calling it out early then.

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Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)
« Reply #306 on: June 25, 2013, 06:03:39 pm »

Well, I've been letting you get your thoughts down and for the promised information on raerae... which, if you pardon me, I will be a little leary of because of mean girls...

Oh, right, that.

I've got nothing on raerae.  unvote

Just wanted to gauge reactions.  Stuff for us to analyze now, including the non-reactions of folks and the over-reaction of folks.
I see... sorry for calling it out early then.

No biggie.  Mostly got overshadowed by lots of theory talk overnight.  It wasn't guaranteed to result in anything tangible, but I figured it would get folks talking.
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Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)
« Reply #307 on: June 25, 2013, 06:08:32 pm »

Well, I've been letting you get your thoughts down and for the promised information on raerae... which, if you pardon me, I will be a little leary of because of mean girls...

Oh, right, that.

I've got nothing on raerae.  unvote

Just wanted to gauge reactions.  Stuff for us to analyze now, including the non-reactions of folks and the over-reaction of folks.

What do you think about xeiron sheeping that awesome case?
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Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)
« Reply #308 on: June 25, 2013, 06:09:42 pm »

Well, I've been letting you get your thoughts down and for the promised information on raerae... which, if you pardon me, I will be a little leary of because of mean girls...

Oh, right, that.

I've got nothing on raerae.  unvote

Just wanted to gauge reactions.  Stuff for us to analyze now, including the non-reactions of folks and the over-reaction of folks.

What do you think about xeiron sheeping that awesome case?

Super scummy.  But remember X in Mean Girls?
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Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)
« Reply #309 on: June 25, 2013, 06:12:09 pm »

I think scum would have been more subtle in their reactions to my ploy.  I don't think scum was more likely to support or oppose.

Now, if raerae actually is scum, which is of course possible, that may change things.  Scum was probably slightly less likely to respond to my "case" if they were her partners.

I think sb's "ash is scummy tunneling dude" reaction is par for the sb course.  I don't think it speaks to his alignment.

TA's continual waiting for explanation was also normal TA.

Eevee and shraeye were spot on, and on to me, I think.

mail-mi had a scummy reaction to it.  Xeiron did.

And raerae?  Well, I knew I could get a rise out of you pretty easily, recalling D1 of DS9. :)
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Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)
« Reply #310 on: June 25, 2013, 06:12:44 pm »

Tru dat.

Still waiting on all those folks who advocated scumhunting yet seem to be doing very little of it themselves...
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Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)
« Reply #311 on: June 25, 2013, 06:13:19 pm »

Glad I could help you out, buddy :)
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Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)
« Reply #312 on: June 25, 2013, 06:24:48 pm »

I want to get scumhunting done, but I know I'm not good at it... right now, I'm waiting on mail-mi and chairs.  Although, this seems to be normal mai-mi: scummy and silent...

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Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)
« Reply #313 on: June 25, 2013, 06:54:40 pm »

I think scum would have been more subtle in their reactions to my ploy.  I don't think scum was more likely to support or oppose.
Now, if raerae actually is scum, which is of course possible, that may change things.  Scum was probably slightly less likely to respond to my "case" if they were her partners.
I think sb's "ash is scummy tunneling dude" reaction is par for the sb course.  I don't think it speaks to his alignment.
TA's continual waiting for explanation was also normal TA.
Eevee and shraeye were spot on, and on to me, I think.
mail-mi had a scummy reaction to it.  Xeiron did.
And raerae?  Well, I knew I could get a rise out of you pretty easily, recalling D1 of DS9. :)
Forgot me.  Sorry, I'm sensitive like that.

Also, I'm not currently sure who raerae's partners are.  Not enough posts in the game to make any determinations yet.
I don't think Ash knows anything about raerae.  I think he's creating a provocation to see what happens.
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Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)
« Reply #314 on: June 25, 2013, 07:06:51 pm »

I think scum would have been more subtle in their reactions to my ploy.  I don't think scum was more likely to support or oppose.
Now, if raerae actually is scum, which is of course possible, that may change things.  Scum was probably slightly less likely to respond to my "case" if they were her partners.
I think sb's "ash is scummy tunneling dude" reaction is par for the sb course.  I don't think it speaks to his alignment.
TA's continual waiting for explanation was also normal TA.
Eevee and shraeye were spot on, and on to me, I think.
mail-mi had a scummy reaction to it.  Xeiron did.
And raerae?  Well, I knew I could get a rise out of you pretty easily, recalling D1 of DS9. :)
Forgot me.  Sorry, I'm sensitive like that.

Also, I'm not currently sure who raerae's partners are.  Not enough posts in the game to make any determinations yet.
I don't think Ash knows anything about raerae.  I think he's creating a provocation to see what happens.

Right, sorry.  For what it's worth, I think that matches your scum meta (MnM and Shakespeare).
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Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)
« Reply #315 on: June 25, 2013, 07:09:00 pm »

I like shraeye's case on TA, even though it's weak sauce.  At least it is sauce, something we have very little of.  I didn't find TA that scummy from what shraeye pointed out, but it is early in the game, and we have to catch the little things.

TA's response reminds me of Samurai TA, which is an issue.

Why is this an issue?

I figured you were baiting people but didn't want to see it to see the reactions. I agree that xeiron comes off scummy for jumping on it.
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Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)
« Reply #316 on: June 25, 2013, 07:12:49 pm »

How in the world does efhw pointing out your tactic agree with her scum meta? What meta are you going off of?
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Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)
« Reply #317 on: June 25, 2013, 07:14:48 pm »

I like shraeye's case on TA, even though it's weak sauce.  At least it is sauce, something we have very little of.  I didn't find TA that scummy from what shraeye pointed out, but it is early in the game, and we have to catch the little things.

TA's response reminds me of Samurai TA, which is an issue.

Why is this an issue?

I figured you were baiting people but didn't want to see it to see the reactions. I agree that xeiron comes off scummy for jumping on it.

Because I'm dumb.  I was thinking of WinterSpartan's play in Samurais.  So your play here reminds me of his play there, which doesn't make sense as a meta argument, but I guess kind of works for a you are playing scummy argument?
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Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)
« Reply #318 on: June 25, 2013, 07:15:30 pm »

How in the world does efhw pointing out your tactic agree with her scum meta? What meta are you going off of?

EFHW, to me, was exactly the same player in both games, and in both games she was scum.  She's different as town.

Now, in this game, she seems like the EFHW of the scum games, not the town games.
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Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)
« Reply #319 on: June 25, 2013, 07:15:49 pm »

How in the world does efhw pointing out your tactic agree with her scum meta? What meta are you going off of?

EFHW, to me, was exactly the same player in both games, and in both games she was scum.  She's different as town.

Now, in this game, she seems like the EFHW of the scum games, not the town games.

Or, to put it another way, appeasement is a scum thing.  Shraeye said that.
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Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)
« Reply #320 on: June 25, 2013, 07:35:46 pm »

I think scum would have been more subtle in their reactions to my ploy.  I don't think scum was more likely to support or oppose.

Now, if raerae actually is scum, which is of course possible, that may change things.  Scum was probably slightly less likely to respond to my "case" if they were her partners.

I think sb's "ash is scummy tunneling dude" reaction is par for the sb course.  I don't think it speaks to his alignment.

TA's continual waiting for explanation was also normal TA.

Eevee and shraeye were spot on, and on to me, I think.

mail-mi had a scummy reaction to it.  Xeiron did.

And raerae?  Well, I knew I could get a rise out of you pretty easily, recalling D1 of DS9. :)
How was my reaction scummy?
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Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)
« Reply #321 on: June 25, 2013, 07:39:32 pm »

Clarification: Combinations can be used during any of the nights following its creation. They are NOT restricted to JUST the night after they're made.
Told ja.

Also, I'm not currently sure who raerae's partners are.  Not enough posts in the game to make any determinations yet.
I don't think Ash knows anything about raerae.  I think he's creating a provocation to see what happens.

Also, scum are going to have a really hard time if they try to chase down power roles.  Once they pinpoint one person as having used a role like cop or doctor, they can try to NK that person but the role could easily pop up somewhere else instead. 

I also think that we should think about using WIFOM to help town at least somewhat coordinate.  More on that later as we get a clearer sense of how things work.
Ash's got bad tunnel vision on rarrae. I think him constantly pushing her and not giving any reason whatsoever is anti town. Vote: ashersky

WIFIM for town might be good.

Here's your scummy reaction.  It came late in the game, as many pages had passed since I started the gambit.  You originally had little to no reaction to it.  Plus, voting someone for being "anti-town" is a classic scum tool for voting town members without reason and no pushback.
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Re: RMM8 Innovation Inc. (Day 1 Start!)
« Reply #322 on: June 25, 2013, 07:50:47 pm »

I want to get scumhunting done, but I know I'm not good at it... right now, I'm waiting on mail-mi and chairs.  Although, this seems to be normal mai-mi: scummy and silent...

Well, I've mostly been quiet as I don't really have anything to add to the discussion and everything I've added so far I've been told is bad form.

I'm going to go ahead and item claim, though, since the earlier subtle reference was missed and I think my item's pretty darn innocuous: I have paper.

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« Reply #323 on: June 25, 2013, 07:52:06 pm »

I'm neutral on the no-lynch concept in this game, and here's why:

Normally it appears that lynching is (overall) the correct option.

Pros to no-lynch in this game happen to include the paper-pushing option to invent cool stuff that gives us additional roles - and a dead townie means we can't get his piece of a potentially cool item (I'm willing to accept the loss for dead scum).

Pros to lynching in this game, aside from the obvious "killing scum is good" option, are that we don't actually know what the scum wincons are, and it's entirely possible that inventing X, Y, or Z item are among them, so more items still around offers them more opportunity to snag those items (either via power roles [potentially] or via their town face).

What is "paper-pushing"?

This subtle reference that was "missed"?
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« Reply #324 on: June 25, 2013, 07:52:56 pm »

Clarification: Combinations can be used during any of the nights following its creation. They are NOT restricted to JUST the night after they're made.
Told ja.

Also, I'm not currently sure who raerae's partners are.  Not enough posts in the game to make any determinations yet.
I don't think Ash knows anything about raerae.  I think he's creating a provocation to see what happens.

Also, scum are going to have a really hard time if they try to chase down power roles.  Once they pinpoint one person as having used a role like cop or doctor, they can try to NK that person but the role could easily pop up somewhere else instead. 

I also think that we should think about using WIFOM to help town at least somewhat coordinate.  More on that later as we get a clearer sense of how things work.
Ash's got bad tunnel vision on rarrae. I think him constantly pushing her and not giving any reason whatsoever is anti town. Vote: ashersky

WIFIM for town might be good.

Here's your scummy reaction.  It came late in the game, as many pages had passed since I started the gambit.  You originally had little to no reaction to it.  Plus, voting someone for being "anti-town" is a classic scum tool for voting town members without reason and no pushback.
Well okay. I still don't get how it's that scummy, but if that's how you view it, fine.
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