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ycz6

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So that's what Suburbia is for
« on: April 23, 2013, 08:08:20 pm »
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Re: So that's what Suburbia is for
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2013, 08:31:05 pm »
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Re: So that's what Suburbia is for
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2013, 08:36:14 pm »
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I for one can't see the image.
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Re: So that's what Suburbia is for
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2013, 09:04:36 pm »
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I for one can't see the image.

Have you actually looked at it?  I mean, like *puff* really looked at it, man?
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Re: So that's what Suburbia is for
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2013, 10:04:00 pm »
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I can't see the image either, but I'll just throw this highly appropriate game log in here because why not.

http://innovation.isotropic.org/gamelog/201304/23/game-20130423-190216-a1c52ad9.html

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Re: So that's what Suburbia is for
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2013, 04:01:11 pm »
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Huh. Weird. It showed up for me. Will fix.
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Re: So that's what Suburbia is for
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2013, 04:17:53 pm »
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Suburbia is probably my favorite card in base Innovation, because of how much more powerful the card is than it looks like.
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Re: So that's what Suburbia is for
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2013, 04:26:43 pm »
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While I enjoy big hand strategies, Suburbia wins are really painful on iso. So much clicking...
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Re: So that's what Suburbia is for
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2013, 04:32:40 pm »
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Actually I would say otherwise. The only conceivable use of it for me is to provide a final punch if you somehow get a large hand with all the lower piles depleted.

It can be a moderate scorer if you have a large hand but the piles are still there; but score usually does not matter all that much for achievements when you are in age 9. And it is obviously useless without a hand.

So it all comes to, does a-large-hand-with-piles-depleted (a.k.a. fermenting+reformation) need a final punch? I don't think so. For me this just encourages you too much to just continue drawing when you have the combo going.
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Re: So that's what Suburbia is for
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2013, 06:24:21 pm »
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but score usually does not matter all that much for achievements when you are in age 9.

Am I missing something here?  Score is hugely important in Age 9!  Both players likely have a lot of achievements, thanks to specials and previous scoring, and even if you don't care about achievements, whoever has the high score has the benefit of inevitability on their side and can draw out for a win.

I used to think Suburbia was pretty crappy, but now I think it is crazy strong.  I think of it as, if you have EITHER a big hand OR the piles have been emptied, it is going to be quite effective.  Unless you have a small hand AND the lower piles are still intact, Suburbia will almost always score you a ton while getting you Monument (and possibly Empire).  It's the only way to turn a big hand into a pile-depleter. 
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Re: So that's what Suburbia is for
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2013, 06:57:50 pm »
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What I mean is that usually someone will be pretty close to 6 achievements when the game is at age 9. In that case, unless you can deplete the piles immediately score a lot will not help you more than score a little bit to reach for the next achievement. And there are quite some other ways to score a little by that stage. Also, more often than not you need to get/block special achievements and Suburbia is not particularly good at that.

Okay, I can even retract that statement. Maybe the card is somewhat useful whenever you have a large hand. But it is absolutely useless if you don't. (I don't see how the piles being empty changes that...) But then a large hand is usually strong enough without this effect.

Don't take me wrong, I am not saying the card is not powerful. I am just saying there are already lots of things you can do with a large hand, and this card just adds a quickie for you to win (which I don't like.) And if you don't have a large hand this card is useless.
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Re: So that's what Suburbia is for
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2013, 07:06:06 pm »
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If the piles are empty, then it turns into an unrestricted Lighting.  Even with a 3-5 card hand that is a huge amount of scoring potential.
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Re: So that's what Suburbia is for
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2013, 08:13:34 pm »
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http://innovation.isotropic.org/gamelog/201304/25/game-20130425-170533-5f547463.html

Ended up using Suburbia in a Fermentation draw game, where Reformation was in the achievement pile and my opponent drew bicycle. Got lucky when my opponent had me share physics one turn and I didn't have to return all my cards. Funny part of the ending was my score pile had 10 10's only.
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Re: So that's what Suburbia is for
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2013, 11:27:01 pm »
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http://scorepile.org/gamelog/201304/17/game-20130417-105748-c7f650f4.html

Bicycle + Suburbia:
In one moment I got 267 points, but I decide to give it up.  ;D
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Re: So that's what Suburbia is for
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2013, 08:34:18 pm »
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http://scorepile.org/gamelog/201304/17/game-20130417-105748-c7f650f4.html

Bicycle + Suburbia:
In one moment I got 267 points, but I decide to give it up.  ;D
Ahahaha, this is brilliant.
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