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[Eevee]

if raerae is not scum here then I don't know who ever was scum anywhere!

look, anything that happened before tonight is not even relevant. We got scum to paint themselves in the corner with ta continuing to push for sudgy while accepting me as an ic.

If you won't produce a case will you at least explain why you won't?  How am I scum for demanded you actually have a reason for voting the way you are?

I have been explaining my reasons and asking damning questions from your side all night. You are ignoring my questions, like actually pretending I didn't ask them because you know what happens if you try answering, and continuing to insist on me building a case when I already did and it's strong enough for efhw to flip. Do you think she is scum or not?

[EFHW]

Mail-mi did not protect sudgy last night.
I did not protect sudgy last night.
From his flavor claim, Sudgy did not protect sudgy last night.

Raerae, EFHW, did either of you protect Sudgy last night? Simple yes / no will suffice!

People should NOT be answering this question.  It's like giving scum a map of who to target.

So consider that part of the case, raerae.

[Twistedarcher]

Mail-mi did not protect sudgy last night.
I did not protect sudgy last night.
From his flavor claim, Sudgy did not protect sudgy last night.

Raerae, EFHW, did either of you protect Sudgy last night? Simple yes / no will suffice!

People should NOT be answering this question.  It's like giving scum a map of who to target.

Okay. But if NO ONE protected Sudgy last night, he should be dead, IF he's town. I guess WIFOM and town was afraid of a doctor though. Meh.

I am not getting through to Eevee this game, it's pointless. I give up, I literally don't think there's anything I can do.

Eevee, please, take awhile to think on this. Please believe me, if you don't change your mind, Sudgy and mail-mi win.

If he doesn't change his mind tomorrow, I guess go ahead and hammer, EFHW. No use trying to change something I can't change.

[raerae]

Raerae, I have a question for you. You must know that I am town, or strongly believe that am I town. You also know that if I get lynched, we lose.

That being said, if you have ANY information in your claim that would help convince Eevee...I strongly encourage you to do so. I know I'm rolefishing, blahblah, but it's preferable to losing the game for me.

I know I'm confident about sudgy but I'm not confident about anybody else.  You know I won't claim.

[Eevee]

Mail-mi did not protect sudgy last night.
I did not protect sudgy last night.
From his flavor claim, Sudgy did not protect sudgy last night.

Raerae, EFHW, did either of you protect Sudgy last night? Simple yes / no will suffice!

People should NOT be answering this question.  It's like giving scum a map of who to target.

I agree. TA is putting up a good fight, but I'm fine with a hammer and if I'm wrong and you think I drew unreasonable conclusions from my information, I'll hang my head very low in shame.

[Twistedarcher]

Mail-mi did not protect sudgy last night.
I did not protect sudgy last night.
From his flavor claim, Sudgy did not protect sudgy last night.

Raerae, EFHW, did either of you protect Sudgy last night? Simple yes / no will suffice!

People should NOT be answering this question.  It's like giving scum a map of who to target.

So consider that part of the case, raerae.

If I'm town, how does it not make sense for me to go through this process? I don't want to lose the game, dammit!

[EFHW]

Waiting until tomorrow just uses up another bankable day, which we are currently eating into. 

[Twistedarcher]

Mail-mi did not protect sudgy last night.
I did not protect sudgy last night.
From his flavor claim, Sudgy did not protect sudgy last night.

Raerae, EFHW, did either of you protect Sudgy last night? Simple yes / no will suffice!

People should NOT be answering this question.  It's like giving scum a map of who to target.

I agree. TA is putting up a good fight, but I'm fine with a hammer and if I'm wrong and you think I drew unreasonable conclusions from my information, I'll hang my head very low in shame.

Don't. I may have done the same in your shoes. It's damn hard to lynch yourself. It's a weird setup, and I don't know if I could pull the trigger in your place.

[Twistedarcher]

Waiting until tomorrow just uses up another bankable day, which we are currently eating into.

Doesn't matterrrrrrr

[Eevee]

Sorry TA, my heart wants to believe you, wants to believe you so bad, but my brain is too certain I'm right. If I'm wrong about sudgy, I think I got trolled by the mod more than a little bit.

I'm sorry if you are town, I'm doing what I think is right.

[raerae]

if raerae is not scum here then I don't know who ever was scum anywhere!

look, anything that happened before tonight is not even relevant. We got scum to paint themselves in the corner with ta continuing to push for sudgy while accepting me as an ic.

If you won't produce a case will you at least explain why you won't?  How am I scum for demanded you actually have a reason for voting the way you are?

I have been explaining my reasons and asking damning questions from your side all night. You are ignoring my questions, like actually pretending I didn't ask them because you know what happens if you try answering, and continuing to insist on me building a case when I already did and it's strong enough for efhw to flip. Do you think she is scum or not?

WHAT QUESTIONS??  Honestly, if you asked them, I missed them.  So help me out. 

Your reasoning has been poor at best.  "I'm town so my partner must be too?"  Please, yuma was scum and my partner in M&M.  That's pathetically hopefully and painfully blind reasoning at best. 

[EFHW]

vote: TA

[Twistedarcher]

Wait.

Mail-mi said he could explain why there was no NK. But not why Sudgy was protected.

I think Mail-mi is scum poisoner, btw.

POssibly with a lover, same set-up as Eevee-Sudgy. One of EFHW - Raerae.

[ashersky]

Thread locked.

[ashersky]

Act II Final Vote Count:

Twistedarcher (4): mail-mi, Eevee, sudgy, EFHW
sudgy (2): raerae,Twistedarcher

Not Voting (0):

With 6 alive, it took 4 to lynch.

[ashersky]

The actors in this play gathered round, choosing who would leave the stage forever.  In the end, it was Twistedarcher, who played Ophelia, the 2-Shot Commuting Bomb.  She wailed her last wail before fading away forever.

The group gathered round, shocked and depressed, then laid her body out next to nkirbit.  Was there a flutter of an eyelid there?

Night 2 has begun.

Night actions are due in 24 hours.  Day 3 begins in 48 hours.

[ashersky]

To die: to sleep;
No more; and by a sleep to say we end
The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to, 'tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep;
To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub;
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause.


Act III has begun.

[ashersky]

Vote Count III.0:

Not Voting (0): Eevee, EFHW, sudgy, mail-mi, nkirbit, raerae

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

[raerae]

Hey kermit!  Welcome back...maybe?  How dead you be?

[nkirbit]

Not dead at all.

No night kill.  No what happened to me.  Interesting.

[nkirbit]

Mail-Mi:  You seemed to know what happened to me.  Were you the one that caused it?

[nkirbit]

I have a few thoughts that I made during the night.  I was going to wait to see who turned up dead to make more conclusions, but no one turned up dead, so I guess we're in mostly the same spot as yesterday with myself alive instead of TA.

These are all things that I said during the night.

I think TA is eliminating too many possibilities by considering me dead. as are the others.

If the scum know I'm not dead (mail-mi seems to know this, for instance), they CANNOT quickhammer for the win.

Suppose Raerae/EFHW is the team. They have reason to believe I'm alive, as mail-mi insisted it's true, and why would he lie if he were town? If they quickhammer TA and he flips town, I come back, we lynch whoever quickhammers, and are in really really good shape.

Sudgy/Mail-Mi and TA/(one of raerae/efhw) are NOT the only possibilities.

"Okay. But if NO ONE protected Sudgy last night, he should be dead, IF he's town." [TA said this]

This is WRONG. maybe scum simply avoided targeted Sudgy because they were afraid of the doctor. And TA absorbed the kill, perhaps.

I'm not as convinced as all of you seemed to be that your argument was town vs scum.  It's certainly possible, but far from the only plausible outcome.

[nkirbit]

I should note that we should all be reading the flavor more carefully.  At the start of day 2, ash put the words "seemingly dead" in italics while describing my death.  I don't see anything noteworthy about the flavor at the start of today, but we should keep an eye on it.. there may be hints there.

[raerae]

So what do you think about sudgy being alive again today?

[nkirbit]

I don't know.  It's fishy, but the one thing that I want to keep in mind is that we have yet to have a night kill.  Our only night action has been myself missing out on a die... we have not had an honest night kill yet.

Sudgy being scum is one possible answer, but if that's the answer, what's happening to the night kill?  That's an answer we need to work towards.

Sudgy being town is another.  What if Sudgy-Eevee and Lio-Xeiron were two all-town lover pairs, and mafia either don't have a night kill or have a weak night kill?  I don't know, and I'm very confused.

I want to hear what everyone thinks about what's going on.  The one piece of information we know for sure is that there have been two nights, and mafia have yet to kill a player.  That's where I think we should start.  Why do we think this is happening?