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Re: League of Legends
« Reply #75 on: May 05, 2013, 07:12:27 pm »
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Re: League of Legends
« Reply #76 on: May 05, 2013, 08:20:59 pm »
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Execution in LoL is a lot more complex than executing a Dominion deck.  It makes sense to practice a champion over and over again to perfect the mechanics; there are no corresponding mechanics in Dominion to practice.

I agree and disagree I found that in playing a large swath of characters you learn alot of the ideas of the game faster, for instance without looking at a build I could give you a decent generic build for any character as long as I knew if they were a bruiser/jungler/ap/adc/support this in turn allowed me to better understand how to build in a certain match, I know this character builds warmogs so i should build botrk for example

Everyone has varying skills going into the game that may or may not allow them to bypass the play one champion step. For example knowing how to build in different situations is great but if you can't execute certain combos playing one champ lets you get better much faster. Take an ap mid, diana: you need to be able to throw crescent strike(q) and ulti to the enemy at the same time(hitting q allows ulti to be preformed without cooldown) waiting for your q to hit and then ulti'ing is a huge waste of time so knowing how to cast them both is best. After that you need to know when to ignite to get the kill(the last second before they leave your range or just before a heal is cast) using zhonyas hourglass effectively is also sooo important(it makes you invulnerable for 2 sec and can be used to dodge entire skills) then of course there is your typical flash response time(must be able to use it to dodge skills/jump walls/bait out other movemen't skills)
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Re: League of Legends
« Reply #77 on: May 07, 2013, 03:57:01 pm »
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As I play Diana I have to disagree. Q ulti at same time is ok if the ulti alone would kill them, but all too often the skillshot misses and then your ulti is on cooldown and your just dead in the water. It's much safer to fire off the ulti once it either has connected or will connect beyond the shadow of a doubt.

But in general i do agree being able to combo with a champ can be fairly important, I think the largest learning step of any particular champion however is how long your attack animations are so that you can effectively last hit.
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Re: League of Legends
« Reply #78 on: May 07, 2013, 09:33:45 pm »
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As I play Diana I have to disagree. Q ulti at same time is ok if the ulti alone would kill them, but all too often the skillshot misses and then your ulti is on cooldown and your just dead in the water. It's much safer to fire off the ulti once it either has connected or will connect beyond the shadow of a doubt.

But in general i do agree being able to combo with a champ can be fairly important, I think the largest learning step of any particular champion however is how long your attack animations are so that you can effectively last hit.

This is what I mean, you need to know when you cast your q if it is going to hit them or not. You cannot q/uti every time and you cannot wait for your q to hit, you need to know exactly where it is going to land and if it is going to hit when you throw it. This takes tons and tons of practice and is not exclusive to Diana, knowing whether your skill shot is going to hit or not is a necessary skill and is much easier learned when playing the same champ over and over.
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Re: League of Legends
« Reply #79 on: May 07, 2013, 09:36:21 pm »
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Also knowing how to animation cancel is even more important than that(auto attack animations) animation canceling is moving as soon as your animation reaches the point where the attack has registered in the computer. You can then move thus canceling the rest of the animation and speeding up the time between attacks.
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Re: League of Legends
« Reply #80 on: May 07, 2013, 09:52:19 pm »
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Also knowing how to animation cancel is even more important than that(auto attack animations) animation canceling is moving as soon as your animation reaches the point where the attack has registered in the computer. You can then move thus canceling the rest of the animation and speeding up the time between attacks.
Are you sure you can really do that?
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Re: League of Legends
« Reply #81 on: May 08, 2013, 12:36:10 am »
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100% it's the same thing as orb walking just a bit harder to pull off. Orb walking is when you attack-move repeatedly so that you can be chasing/running while auto attacking at the same speed as a still person. Auto attacks have a cool down that is reduced by attack speed, this is controlled by right clicking which sends a homing projectile(like a skill shot) this action is completely separately from moving but delayed(doesn't go on cooldown) untill after the animation. So attacking them moving immediately as the projectile is sent speeds up the whole process. Attacks can also be canceled entirely(by moving before the computer sends the projectile) this can be down after the animation has started making it look like your attacking but not actually. The idea of the last part is to confuse players, when you right click someone you turn yellow on there screen so attack canceling can get people to burn skills in attempts to block or dodge.
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Re: League of Legends
« Reply #82 on: August 06, 2013, 02:31:41 pm »
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So who here actively plays LoL?  I see mcmcsalot online quite a bit; anyone else?
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Re: League of Legends
« Reply #83 on: August 06, 2013, 08:09:09 pm »
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So who here actively plays LoL?  I see mcmcsalot online quite a bit; anyone else?

I play quite actively. Im on most days.
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Re: League of Legends
« Reply #84 on: August 07, 2013, 12:37:08 pm »
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This game is so popular at my school that sometimes when I say dominion people think I am referring to some mode of this game.
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Re: League of Legends
« Reply #85 on: August 16, 2013, 03:00:07 pm »
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This OGN Ro16 highlight video has got to be one of the best LoL highlight videos ever:
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Re: League of Legends
« Reply #86 on: August 16, 2013, 03:16:29 pm »
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I play LoL constantly on account KirbyHero
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Re: League of Legends
« Reply #87 on: September 02, 2013, 05:26:41 pm »
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Hey. What's good youtube videos / online material for learning how to play better? I'm looking to start with more general guides, then branch off into specific guides for certain characters / builds.
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Re: League of Legends
« Reply #88 on: September 02, 2013, 11:09:41 pm »
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Hey. What's good youtube videos / online material for learning how to play better? I'm looking to start with more general guides, then branch off into specific guides for certain characters / builds.

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Re: League of Legends
« Reply #89 on: September 03, 2013, 12:06:55 pm »
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Hey. What's good youtube videos / online material for learning how to play better? I'm looking to start with more general guides, then branch off into specific guides for certain characters / builds.

Playing with skilled friends is probably the easiest way to learn.  And although it's important to play a lot of different champs (ideally every champ that is free), it's also nice to focus on one champ, or at least one lane, as your primary.

/r/leagueoflegends is a great resource, or more likely its sister subreddit /r/summonerschool. 

In addition, these lectures on Youtube were really helpful: https://www.youtube.com/user/unswlolsoc

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Re: League of Legends
« Reply #90 on: September 03, 2013, 12:27:22 pm »
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Hey. What's good youtube videos / online material for learning how to play better? I'm looking to start with more general guides, then branch off into specific guides for certain characters / builds.

Playing with skilled friends is probably the easiest way to learn.  And although it's important to play a lot of different champs (ideally every champ that is free), it's also nice to focus on one champ, or at least one lane, as your primary.

/r/leagueoflegends is a great resource, or more likely its sister subreddit /r/summonerschool. 

In addition, these lectures on Youtube were really helpful: https://www.youtube.com/user/unswlolsoc

I agree with theory, the best way to go from beginner to amateur is to play with skilled players and have them "train" you so to speak. Once you get to a decent level you can play on your own and watch the pro players stream.

One thing I always suggest, DO NOT PLAY BOT GAMES. They teach you very very minimal skills while advancing you level quite rapidly. This puts players in a situation where they are playing with level 30 players(the time win/loss & elo comes into effect) but not skilled enough. Then you lose quite a few games until you "catch up" so to speak but by then you can have a pretty poor win/loss which places you in low elo and it can be a lot less fun/discouraging. Making the most of each game to really stay ahead of your level in skills is the best way to make league the most enjoyable.

PS. we definitely need to play together!
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Re: League of Legends
« Reply #91 on: September 03, 2013, 02:12:15 pm »
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Thanks theory, I will look. I've moved from playing with bots to playing with humans, but I need to start learning a wider variety of characters (I play as an adcarry in about 80% of my games).

Mcmc, we should definitely play at some point! I'll send you a message next time I see you online
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Re: League of Legends
« Reply #92 on: September 03, 2013, 05:14:57 pm »
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Playing bot games doesn't result in elo inflation.

It's still a good idea to play with humans because you learn faster.
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Re: League of Legends
« Reply #93 on: September 03, 2013, 05:28:41 pm »
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In League, every mode has its own hidden elo. Officially this is called MMR, but whatever. If you win a lot of ranked games, you play better people. Win a lot of normals, better people. But this applies to ARAM and bot games as well. Playing a lot of bot games means you play with other people who play a lot of bot games (assuming you normally win bot games.)

Hidden elo is present at all levels, not just 30. There's plenty of stories of people making smurfs, and quickly hitting what is gold or platinum level play in normals by level 10 or 15. So I don't think you'll be at a horrible loss if you play more bot games, but you'll definitely learn slower and the system will be less sure of your rating because you have fewer normal games.
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Re: League of Legends
« Reply #94 on: September 03, 2013, 05:58:39 pm »
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Playing bot games doesn't result in elo inflation.

It's still a good idea to play with humans because you learn faster.

the issue however is that prior to level 30 the game matches you against similarly skilled players of similar level. Once you are level 30 this pool of "similar Level" becomes everyone. So if you played to level 30 solely against bot yes your elo would not be affected, but you would be at somewhat of a skill deficit and will lose quite a few normal's until your elo matches you with similarly skilled players. This elo becomes much harder to change as time goes on and can make the game less fun as your grow in skill but are stuck in a lower elo(which I might add low elo play is very self serving, and it is hard to teach yourself out of)

those are my only issues with bot games. That and that knowing how to "trick" the bots programming alows you to absolutely destroy them without any game skill lol.
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Re: League of Legends
« Reply #95 on: September 06, 2013, 01:18:33 am »
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Playing bot games doesn't result in elo inflation.

It's still a good idea to play with humans because you learn faster.

the issue however is that prior to level 30 the game matches you against similarly skilled players of similar level. Once you are level 30 this pool of "similar Level" becomes everyone. So if you played to level 30 solely against bot yes your elo would not be affected, but you would be at somewhat of a skill deficit and will lose quite a few normal's until your elo matches you with similarly skilled players. This elo becomes much harder to change as time goes on and can make the game less fun as your grow in skill but are stuck in a lower elo(which I might add low elo play is very self serving, and it is hard to teach yourself out of)

those are my only issues with bot games. That and that knowing how to "trick" the bots programming alows you to absolutely destroy them without any game skill lol.

There's little to no consideration for summoner level in matchmaking.  Good smurfs rocket up to playing with 30s before they even get all their summoner spells.
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Re: League of Legends
« Reply #96 on: September 06, 2013, 12:03:46 pm »
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Playing bot games doesn't result in elo inflation.

It's still a good idea to play with humans because you learn faster.

the issue however is that prior to level 30 the game matches you against similarly skilled players of similar level. Once you are level 30 this pool of "similar Level" becomes everyone. So if you played to level 30 solely against bot yes your elo would not be affected, but you would be at somewhat of a skill deficit and will lose quite a few normal's until your elo matches you with similarly skilled players. This elo becomes much harder to change as time goes on and can make the game less fun as your grow in skill but are stuck in a lower elo(which I might add low elo play is very self serving, and it is hard to teach yourself out of)

those are my only issues with bot games. That and that knowing how to "trick" the bots programming alows you to absolutely destroy them without any game skill lol.

There's little to no consideration for summoner level in matchmaking.  Good smurfs rocket up to playing with 30s before they even get all their summoner spells.

Interesting, I was unaware of that. I should probably level a smurf to see what the new player process is like. Apparently you HAVE to play bot games till level 5??? Things have changed...
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Re: League of Legends
« Reply #97 on: September 06, 2013, 03:05:49 pm »
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Playing bot games doesn't result in elo inflation.

It's still a good idea to play with humans because you learn faster.

the issue however is that prior to level 30 the game matches you against similarly skilled players of similar level. Once you are level 30 this pool of "similar Level" becomes everyone. So if you played to level 30 solely against bot yes your elo would not be affected, but you would be at somewhat of a skill deficit and will lose quite a few normal's until your elo matches you with similarly skilled players. This elo becomes much harder to change as time goes on and can make the game less fun as your grow in skill but are stuck in a lower elo(which I might add low elo play is very self serving, and it is hard to teach yourself out of)

those are my only issues with bot games. That and that knowing how to "trick" the bots programming alows you to absolutely destroy them without any game skill lol.

There's little to no consideration for summoner level in matchmaking.  Good smurfs rocket up to playing with 30s before they even get all their summoner spells.

Interesting, I was unaware of that. I should probably level a smurf to see what the new player process is like. Apparently you HAVE to play bot games till level 5??? Things have changed...
Mandatory bot games?  Wow, I had no idea.

My first game was with players who had 300 games played or so.  They threw me straight to the wolves back then :)
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Re: League of Legends
« Reply #98 on: September 10, 2013, 12:01:54 pm »
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Uninstalled last night.  The game's fun-to-time ratio was way too low for me.  Especially in ranked -- things even out given enough time, but time is exactly the resource I have the least of.
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Re: League of Legends
« Reply #99 on: September 10, 2013, 12:12:10 pm »
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Uninstalled last night.  The game's fun-to-time ratio was way too low for me.  Especially in ranked -- things even out given enough time, but time is exactly the resource I have the least of.

Wow, I am surprised to hear you say that. I mean, I definitely understand the game takes up alot of time. I was wondering what you mean by its fun-to-time ratio. Do you mean simply how long a game takes, or something different.
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