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Native village: can you look at the top card?
« on: March 29, 2013, 08:13:41 am »
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Hello, I have a question. When you play a native village can you look which one is the top card of your deck before deciding which of the two possible actions you want to do? It is not clearly stated neither in the card nor in the rules leaflet, both read that you have to set it aside face down, but neither explicitly specifies that you can not look at it before setting it aside face down.
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Re: Native village: can you look at the top card?
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2013, 08:15:04 am »
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Hello, I have a question. When you play a native village can you look which one is the top card of your deck before deciding which of the two possible actions you want to do? It is not clearly stated neither in the card nor in the rules leaflet, both read that you have to set it aside face down, but neither explicitly specifies that you can not look at it before setting it aside face down.
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Re: Native village: can you look at the top card?
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2013, 08:34:42 am »
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The position of "or" on the card is important here.

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Choose one: Set aside the top card of your deck face down on your Native Village mat; or put all the cards from your mat into your hand.

So either you set aside the top card or pick up all cards. It's not "look first and then decide".
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Re: Native village: can you look at the top card?
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2013, 08:38:26 am »
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I think the most important thing is the position of "Choose one"; it's the very first thing you do.
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Re: Native village: can you look at the top card?
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2013, 10:56:27 am »
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And, also, there is no instruction on the card or elsewhere to look at the top card of your deck, so what would give you the authority to do that? You can look at the contents of the NV mat whenever you like, but by the time the card is there to look at, you have already made your choice.
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Re: Native village: can you look at the top card?
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2013, 11:27:13 am »
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Guys, its not clear, can I look at the top card or not?
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Re: Native village: can you look at the top card?
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2013, 11:28:56 am »
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Guys, its not clear, can I look at the top card or not?

You can. The rest of us may not. But, if you do look, you must post an image of it and give us cryptic instructions on how to find it ourselves.
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Re: Native village: can you look at the top card?
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2013, 11:58:21 am »
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Don't confuse him.

Of course you can look!
but then you have to put the card on your mat
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Re: Native village: can you look at the top card?
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2013, 03:14:00 pm »
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Don't confuse him.

Of course you can look!
but then you have to put the card on your mat

No, this is not allowed either!! You cannot look at the card until after you physically put it on your mat. The second it touches your mat, you are allowed to pick it back up and look at it. But you may not look at it on the way to the mat.[/Rules lawyer]
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Re: Native village: can you look at the top card?
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2013, 03:28:04 pm »
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What if you pick up the top card with your Native Village mat? :)
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Re: Native village: can you look at the top card?
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2013, 03:31:22 pm »
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Re: Native village: can you look at the top card?
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2013, 04:51:33 pm »
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What if the top card is Stash?
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Re: Native village: can you look at the top card?
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2013, 05:11:05 pm »
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What if the top card is Stash?

Dude, you can't know the top card is Stash. What if somehow a brand new promo card with the same back got into your deck? There's no tracking mechanism for that.
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Re: Native village: can you look at the top card?
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2013, 05:16:20 pm »
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What if the top card is Stash?

Dude, you can't know the top card is Stash. What if somehow a brand new promo card with the same back got into your deck? There's no tracking mechanism for that.

Spend $1 more when you buy it and it will have a special back.  There's a promo Donald could do for Goko but not IRL.
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Re: Native village: can you look at the top card?
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2013, 06:02:06 pm »
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nonono guys you're all wrong.

You *are* allowed to look at the top card of the deck.

you just are only allowed to look at its back. Its a shy little card and doesn't want you seeing its bare frontside until you're willing to make a commitment.
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Re: Native village: can you look at the top card?
« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2013, 11:19:40 pm »
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Well, I don't fully understand whether there is a disagreement among you people, or whether you are joking (I'm not an English speaker).
The fact that it says "Choose one" does not exclude looking at the top card, it has nothing to do. Neither has nothing to do the word "or".
To me it seems really very odd that the rules-book does not explicitly says whether you can or you can not look at the top card. So could it really be considered an irregularity a group of people playing by looking at the top card? Is the rule left open on purpose for home rules to be agreed among the players? Has the author of Dominion ever settled the rule in this forum or elsewhere?
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Re: Native village: can you look at the top card?
« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2013, 11:22:03 pm »
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They are joking around.

You are not allowed to look at the top card of your deck when playing native village simply because you are never allowed to look at the top card of your deck. (unless a card explicitly says so)
However, you are allowed to look at the cards on your native village mat at any time.
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Re: Native village: can you look at the top card?
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2013, 02:35:48 am »
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Guys, it would probably be nice if you kept rules questions threads a little cleaner? Shame on the people who said "you can look at the top card" (or something very much like it) as a joke. It's only obvious as a joke if you know the right answer, and it's quite confusing if you don't.

You cannot look at the top card of your deck before deciding what to do.
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Re: Native village: can you look at the top card?
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2013, 06:24:56 am »
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Well, I don't fully understand whether there is a disagreement among you people, or whether you are joking (I'm not an English speaker).
The fact that it says "Choose one" does not exclude looking at the top card, it has nothing to do. Neither has nothing to do the word "or".

Yes, it does.

The structure of the card text is as follows:

Choose one: x, or y.

Thus, you have two options. You can do all of x, beginning to end; or you can do all of y, beginning to end.

'x' is:

Set aside the top card of your deck face down on your Native Village mat

That does not say you can look at the card before setting it aside, therefore choosing this option does not give you the right to look at the card at the start. In much the same way that you cannot gain a Province before setting the card aside.

'y' is:

put all the cards from the mat into your hand.

That also does not say you can look at the card, therefore you can't.

In neither case are you given the right, therefore you don't have the right.

Now, there is a part that says you can look at cards that are already on the mat. But that means, in order to look at the card, you must first have already placed it on the mat. That means you have already done x. It is now too late to change your mind and do y, because you have finished playing the card.

There is absolutely nothing about Dominion rules that is "deliberately left open to interpretation". Dominion is a game that expects you to be able to follow card instructions to the letter, very precisely. If it's not mentioned in the rules FAQ, it's because DXV never imagined that somebody could really imagine things to work the way you think they do.
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Re: Native village: can you look at the top card?
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2013, 08:44:10 am »
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Seriously guys? It was such a simple question.
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Re: Native village: can you look at the top card?
« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2013, 11:56:37 am »
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Seriously guys? It was such a simple question.
It was. Then, it became much more complicated.
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Re: Native village: can you look at the top card?
« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2013, 05:34:03 pm »
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Seriously guys? It was such a simple question.
It was. Then, it became much more complicated.
No, it still is a simple question. You guys are just over-analytical and couldnt bear to see a simple rules question go without a six-page argument.
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Re: Native village: can you look at the top card?
« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2013, 07:39:02 pm »
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« Reply #24 on: April 01, 2013, 05:01:30 pm »
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I came here for an argument.

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