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[Matt_Arnold]

I am so relieved. When the cards I play-tested were not in Hinterlands (where they seemed to belong), I worried they had been rejected and we would never see them. The mechanic "when you gain this, for each coin you over-spend, do x effect" is a lot of fun. It's great to finally be able to talk about it. Until the actual cards are published, that's all I can actually say, but still.

[Davio]

I'm glad that after the grim dark ages we can finally start having fun again. 

[Drab Emordnilap]

The mechanic "when you gain this, for each coin you over-spend, do x effect"

I don't think this had been confirmed before just now to be how the mechanic works. Unless I missed previous clarification.

[Watno]

Well considering that such cards were playtested, it seems likely

[LastFootnote]

Well considering that such cards were playtested, it seems likely

Oh, quit boohooing. I don't know why you're so sure you won't like the mechanic. I think it's going to feel quite different than the on-gain and on-buy we're used to.

The mechanic "when you gain this, for each coin you over-spend, do x effect"

I don't think this had been confirmed before just now to be how the mechanic works. Unless I missed previous clarification.

It's the simplest way to interpret the description on the RGG site. Some folks just assumed that that couldn't be it (too close to Hinterlands) and tried to think of other mechanics that the blurb could be describing.

Cheer up, Watno! Butcher is more or less what you're looking for, if that Dutch site can be believed. So there's at least one card that allows you to spend extra when you play it for an additional effect.

[WheresMyElephant]

So for wild unfounded speculation's sake, how do we think these new mechanics will play in practice? My thoughts:

* +Buy will become less important, or at least face competition, since now you can cheerfully use your leftover cash on other things without the effort of picking up a Woodcutter or whatever. $2 cards may also face competition, although I bet we see an "overpay to gain another card" card which functions along the lines of "when you buy this +1 Buy"

* Cards that often lead to overpaying get stronger. I'm looking at Spoils, maybe Death Cart (although that's quite severe overpayment), Platinum (likewise) and probably some others.

* Planning is in, improvising is out of style (relatively speaking of course). You don't have to worry quite so much about shuffle luck since overpaying for the card you wanted won't hurt so much, and coin tokens obviously afford a measure of control over your cashflow, especially if they're available early.

[werothegreat]

So for wild unfounded speculation's sake, how do we think these new mechanics will play in practice? My thoughts:

* +Buy will become less important, or at least face competition, since now you can cheerfully use your leftover cash on other things without the effort of picking up a Woodcutter or whatever. $2 cards may also face competition, although I bet we see an "overpay to gain another card" card which functions along the lines of "when you buy this +1 Buy"

* Cards that often lead to overpaying get stronger. I'm looking at Spoils, maybe Death Cart (although that's quite severe overpayment), Platinum (likewise) and probably some others.

* Planning is in, improvising is out of style (relatively speaking of course). You don't have to worry quite so much about shuffle luck since overpaying for the card you wanted won't hurt so much, and coin tokens obviously afford a measure of control over your cashflow, especially if they're available early.

Bear in mind that all of this is only relevant if one of the 13 Guilds cards is present in the kingdom.  If all 13 of the Guilds cards even have the "pay more" mechanic.

[GendoIkari]

So for wild unfounded speculation's sake, how do we think these new mechanics will play in practice? My thoughts:

* +Buy will become less important, or at least face competition, since now you can cheerfully use your leftover cash on other things without the effort of picking up a Woodcutter or whatever. $2 cards may also face competition, although I bet we see an "overpay to gain another card" card which functions along the lines of "when you buy this +1 Buy"

* Cards that often lead to overpaying get stronger. I'm looking at Spoils, maybe Death Cart (although that's quite severe overpayment), Platinum (likewise) and probably some others.

* Planning is in, improvising is out of style (relatively speaking of course). You don't have to worry quite so much about shuffle luck since overpaying for the card you wanted won't hurt so much, and coin tokens obviously afford a measure of control over your cashflow, especially if they're available early.

Bear in mind that all of this is only relevant if one of the 13 Guilds cards is present in the kingdom.  If all 13 of the Guilds cards even have the "pay more" mechanic.

Which I'd say it's a safe bet that they won't. Alchemy had cards without Potion in the cost. Hinterlands had cards without an on-Gain effect. Seaside had non-Durations. Etc.

[LastFootnote]

I'm guessing we'll see 5 cards with the pay-more mechanic.

[CG19]

This is just a tweak on Davio's "Safe" card. It functions very similarly (except with the cool card-as-a-mat part) but with a useful on-gain effect:

Investment - Action

$2
+1 Action

When you buy or play this, for each coin you didn't spend this turn, place on a coin token on your coin mat.

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And the rules would of course state that you can spend coin tokens during any consequntial buy phase. This would even help deal with the 5/2 split (if you don't start with identical hands, of course).

So if you start with $4 and buy Investment you will have 2 coin tokens on your mat and next turn you can buy something up to $5, and the same with a $3 start. Overall, this will help with bad luck draws and when you it's pivotal to reach $5 or $6.

[LastFootnote]

This is just a tweak on Davio's "Safe" card. It functions very similarly (except with the cool card-as-a-mat part) but with a useful on-gain effect:

Investment - Action

$2
+1 Action

When you buy or play this, for each coin you didn't spend this turn, place on a coin token on your coin mat.

----------------------------------------------

And the rules would of course state that you can spend coin tokens during any consequntial buy phase. This would even help deal with the 5/2 split (if you don't start with identical hands, of course).

So if you start with $4 and buy Investment you will have 2 coin tokens on your mat and next turn you can buy something up to $5, and the same with a $3 start. Overall, this will help with bad luck draws and when you it's pivotal to reach $5 or $6.

How does this work when you play it? How do you know at the time which coins you haven't spent that turn?

[Qvist]

Nothing really big, but RGG just released a High Resolution image of the box: http://riograndegames.com/getFile.php?id=1763

... still ugly.

[werothegreat]

Nothing really big, but RGG just released a High Resolution image of the box: http://riograndegames.com/getFile.php?id=1763

... still ugly.

That's... very magenta.  I think the red may be a little high in this picture (note the red shadows on their hair and such) - it'll probably be toned down for the actual product.

[CG19]

This is just a tweak on Davio's "Safe" card. It functions very similarly (except with the cool card-as-a-mat part) but with a useful on-gain effect:

Investment - Action

$2
+1 Action

When you buy or play this, for each coin you didn't spend this turn, place on a coin token on your coin mat.

----------------------------------------------

And the rules would of course state that you can spend coin tokens during any consequntial buy phase. This would even help deal with the 5/2 split (if you don't start with identical hands, of course).

So if you start with $4 and buy Investment you will have 2 coin tokens on your mat and next turn you can buy something up to $5, and the same with a $3 start. Overall, this will help with bad luck draws and when you it's pivotal to reach $5 or $6.

How does this work when you play it? How do you know at the time which coins you haven't spent that turn?

Hah, good catch. I meant to say, "When you buy this or while this is in play, at the start of your clean-up phase, place on a coin token on your coin mat for each unused coin."

It's not perfect, but you get what it's trying to do. If I work at it, I'm sure I could make it short and sweet.

EDIT
I actually like that. I wonder how short it would look on a card.

[AHoppy]

My first thought:

[zporiri]

the guy on the right has a saw that looks like the saw in woodcutter...possibly an overpay-coin version of woodcutter will be in this set?

[philosophyguy]

...possibly an overpay-coin version of woodcutter will be in this set?

If the card replicates an existing functionality, it will be really hard to price correctly. You can't make Overpay-Woodcutter $3 because it would be strictly superior. At $4, you need to be willing to trade a $5 card right now for the potential to use a saved coin later—that's a rough tradeoff. Maybe you make Overpay-Woodcutter +1 Buy, +1 coin so that it's not strictly superior at $3…I don't know. At any rate, making Overpay cards balanced is tricky.

[Hockey Mask]

My first thought:

Your first thought or mine?
http://boardgamegeek.com/image/1626163/dominion-guilds

[Matt_Arnold]

The mechanic "when you gain this, for each coin you over-spend, do x effect"

I don't think this had been confirmed before just now to be how the mechanic works. Unless I missed previous clarification.

Well, I didn't playtest them all. Just some. For all I know, the set might also include cards that match the other hypotheses described in this thread. Who can say? Also, for all I know, the cards I saw were changed to a different form of functionality after I saw them. It was years and years ago.