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Re: Dota 2
« Reply #50 on: March 26, 2013, 06:48:34 pm »
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Roshan also nets gold for every teammate, FWIW.
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Re: Dota 2
« Reply #51 on: March 26, 2013, 06:49:21 pm »
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Yeah, but I think that's rather insignificant.
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Re: Dota 2
« Reply #52 on: March 26, 2013, 06:58:46 pm »
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Baron Nashor's name is actually a reference to Roshan.  Anagram.
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Re: Dota 2
« Reply #53 on: March 26, 2013, 07:04:49 pm »
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Totally unrelated fun fact:  Nashorn (nose horn) is the German word for rhinoceros.
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Re: Dota 2
« Reply #54 on: March 26, 2013, 07:07:34 pm »
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Totally unrelated fun fact:  Nashorn (nose horn) is the German word for rhinoceros.

Wow, thats a coincidence because Rhinos have a massive horn on thier nose!!
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Re: Dota 2
« Reply #55 on: March 26, 2013, 07:21:35 pm »
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Warcraft 3 is not the same as Dota, though Dota was originally a custom map in Warcraft 3. But saying that they are the same is comparable to saying that Checkers and Chess are the same because they are both played on a chess board.

I wasn't saying they were the same, I meant warcrat 3, dota, lol, and hon are essentiall the same game idea.
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Re: Dota 2
« Reply #56 on: March 26, 2013, 08:16:28 pm »
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I disagree. Warcraft 3 is an real time strategy game, where you gather resources, build a base and control an army. Also, it is a solo game, not a team game. The special hero units differentiate it from other RTSs, still I'd say it's a very different game idea than Dota.
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Re: Dota 2
« Reply #57 on: March 29, 2013, 07:59:21 am »
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A LOL fan and a Dota fan walk into a bar.
The Dota fan says: "Dota is better than LOL".
The LOL fan can't deny.
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Re: Dota 2
« Reply #58 on: March 29, 2013, 09:23:48 am »
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Hahaha at first I was like offensive! Then I got the joke.

But actually you could creep deny in lol up untill somewhat recently. The champion gangplank could until recently kill an allied minion, cdr and following the wave would let you clear half the wave befor it got to the middle of the lane. That was taken out though as he was the only champion that could do it.

Now you just bring a healer and heal your allied creep just as the enemy goes to last hit. It makes them go crazy and miss the creep.
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Re: Dota 2
« Reply #59 on: March 30, 2013, 07:07:55 am »
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I used to play a lot of LoL, then it got too repetitive and boring for my tastes. I tried Dota 2, and it wasn't refreshing enough.
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Re: Dota 2
« Reply #60 on: April 02, 2013, 08:20:53 pm »
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A few points or tidbits to make since i've played Heroes of Newerth (the 3rd major game), Dota, and play Dota 2 now:
- Dota and Dota 2 are essentially the same game, although Dota 2 is missing a few heroes
- Original Dota is still gigantic in popularity, bigger than LoL, which is bigger than dota 2, followed by HoN which is quite small.
- HoN was supposed to be the sequel to Dota 1, until IceFrog had a falling out with S2 (the developers), leaving HoN with a bunch of 'classic' dota heroes mixed in with their own creations. HoN is a much faster paced version of Dota, with a lot more clicking and skill-shots and emphasis on individual skill than hero drafting (many of the new heroes are jack of all trades), and a number of annoying features removed (secret shop gone/start off with a courier: but you could argue they are more layers). I like it quite a bit still but noone plays it and everyone i know plays dota.
- Most hardcore gamers gripe with LoL (and now HoN) is the F2P/grinding system where payment or time is required to achieve a fair playing field. Dota gives complete access to the whole hero pool, which makes it the most balanced system for hero drafting easily. (HoN used to do the same but then switched to F2P)
- Second hand knowledge suggests that LoL has removed a number of features, archaic or not, like denying, pulling, runes, TPs, bottles, juking, mana management tactics, and has fewer items you have to activate (in the other 2 games your inventory could easily contain 6 activated items). LoL is considered the easiest to learn which is great, but I like the extra strategic/tactical layers that those features provide in HoN/Dota.
- Most sources also say that the consequences of dying or being out of position are much lower in LoL. Again, Dota is team fencing, and death can easily be the result of being out of position more than anything else. LoL seems to have a number of ways to make positioning less important including items which reduce the effectiveness of disables, and in HoN most heroes have escape abilities. The apparent result is that dying has the biggest consequence and is also the easiest to do in Dota, which drags your whole team down as the enemy gets gold and exp. The increased consequence of having new players on the team leads to more raging.

For me the ideal game would be dota with a few of the hon heroes i sorely miss like parasite, chipper, and engineer  ;D

[edit: article i linked is probably not worth it given its from 2011]
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Re: Dota 2
« Reply #61 on: April 02, 2013, 08:24:36 pm »
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Are you sure about Dota 1 being more popular than LoL? Where do you live? China?
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Re: Dota 2
« Reply #62 on: April 02, 2013, 08:32:34 pm »
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I was including china in an overall comparison yeah. Keep in mind there are some conflicting stats out there, but the main thing to note when comparing stats is that dota has a gazillion free platforms outside of battle.net. 

http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/10i3sx/so_you_thought_dota2_was_getting_large/

Also, a huge part of the asian dota culture is to go to lan shops and play in groups which aren't recorded online. So its probably an even bigger difference than given in the link above.
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Re: Dota 2
« Reply #63 on: April 02, 2013, 09:01:11 pm »
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Wow, I had never seen this. Thx for the link.
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Re: Dota 2
« Reply #64 on: April 02, 2013, 09:06:31 pm »
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Sorry, none of those statistics are backed up by facts. I won't argue but I believe that league recently surpassed Starcraft in most active players for an online game.
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Re: Dota 2
« Reply #65 on: April 02, 2013, 09:13:04 pm »
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Just as the number of LOL games, it's from a statement of someone running the client. I don't see how one can be a a fact while the other isn't.
Though I am a bit skeptic about both numbers.
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Re: Dota 2
« Reply #66 on: April 02, 2013, 09:15:15 pm »
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Just as the number of LOL games, it's from a statement of someone running the client. I don't see how one can be a a fact while the other isn't.
Though I am a bit skeptic about both numbers.
Oh yes, I don't think any of those numbers are correct
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Re: Dota 2
« Reply #67 on: April 02, 2013, 09:16:32 pm »
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You can believe what you want, but aren't the statistics facts? 5 billion games played in 1 year for one of the 3 major chinese dota clients vs 1 billion games played over 3 years for LoL. Even if the numbers (on either side) are fudged, when you extrapolate to include (a) the other chinese clients (b) the lan culture and (c) the rest of the world, there is nothing to suggest LoL is anywhere near the vicinity of dota 1.

Not that any of this really matters.
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Re: Dota 2
« Reply #68 on: April 02, 2013, 09:19:15 pm »
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You can believe what you want, but aren't the statistics facts? 5 billion games played in 1 year for one of the 3 major chinese dota clients vs 1 billion games played over 3 years for LoL. Even if the numbers (on either side) are fudged, when you extrapolate to include (a) the other chinese clients (b) the lan culture and (c) the rest of the world, there is nothing to suggest LoL is anywhere near the vicinity of dota 1.

Not that any of this really matters.

I don't believe the numbers are fudged a bit. I think they are no where near correct, and the statistics are not facts, there is no proof that that is in fact the amount of games played on that server. Also that picture is from 2011
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Re: Dota 2
« Reply #69 on: April 02, 2013, 09:44:50 pm »
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5 billion seems way beyond the realm of reason. 
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« Reply #70 on: April 03, 2013, 12:54:11 am »
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A quick look around reveals nothing really supporting or going against it. It might very well be true, or the truth misrepresented in some way (leaver games and remakes).
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« Reply #71 on: April 03, 2013, 06:41:03 pm »
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DoTA is a "better" game.  LoL is more fun.  Which do you care about more?
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« Reply #72 on: April 03, 2013, 07:11:57 pm »
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What makes you think so? I don't think LOL would be more fun for me than Dota is.
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Re: Dota 2
« Reply #73 on: April 03, 2013, 07:44:11 pm »
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DoTA is a "better" game.  LoL is more fun.  Which do you care about more?

Neither game is better, that is subjective. As is which game is more fun.
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« Reply #74 on: April 03, 2013, 10:07:40 pm »
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I suppose I meant LoL is more fun for mostly the same reasons that everyone cites when claiming DoTA is better.  That is, the DoTA game mechanics claimed to make it a better game generally make the game less fun for me.
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