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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1900 on: July 31, 2015, 09:39:53 am »
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You can always use 23987429384729384723984 coin tokens and buy a Doctor without playing a card.

But Doctor just looks at the top cards of your deck, and doesn't draw them.

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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1901 on: July 31, 2015, 09:44:45 am »
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You can always use 23987429384729384723984 coin tokens and buy a Doctor without playing a card.

But Doctor just looks at the top cards of your deck, and doesn't draw them.

It also trashes them.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1902 on: July 31, 2015, 10:39:25 am »
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You can always use 23987429384729384723984 coin tokens and buy a Doctor without playing a card.

But Doctor just looks at the top cards of your deck, and doesn't draw them.

It also trashes them.

You are technically correct.  The best kind of correct.

So I guess the question is, Wero's intended solution involve having all 6 Overgrown Estates, 20 Rats and 10 Cultists in his deck and overpaying 36 for Doctor.

That is exactly 56 card draws, but doesn't include King's Courted Hirelings.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1903 on: July 31, 2015, 12:35:51 pm »
+1

You can always use 23987429384729384723984 coin tokens and buy a Doctor without playing a card.

But Doctor just looks at the top cards of your deck, and doesn't draw them.

It also trashes them.

You are technically correct.  The best kind of correct.

So I guess the question is, Wero's intended solution involve having all 6 Overgrown Estates, 20 Rats and 10 Cultists in his deck and overpaying 36 for Doctor.

That is exactly 56 card draws, but doesn't include King's Courted Hirelings.

But you're not drawing those cards at the start of a turn, but rather at the end of a turn where you buy Doctor. Those cards are then discarded during cleanup. Is there something I'm missing?
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1904 on: July 31, 2015, 12:36:44 pm »
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You can always use 23987429384729384723984 coin tokens and buy a Doctor without playing a card.

But Doctor just looks at the top cards of your deck, and doesn't draw them.

It also trashes them.

You are technically correct.  The best kind of correct.

So I guess the question is, Wero's intended solution involve having all 6 Overgrown Estates, 20 Rats and 10 Cultists in his deck and overpaying 36 for Doctor.

That is exactly 56 card draws, but doesn't include King's Courted Hirelings.

But you're not drawing those cards at the start of a turn, but rather at the end of a turn where you buy Doctor. Those cards are then discarded during cleanup. Is there something I'm missing?

Nope, back at square one.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1905 on: July 31, 2015, 01:39:41 pm »
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You will need to King's Court Hirelings.  I wasn't thinking of Procession and Graverobber, and that probably drives the number of cards you draw up a bit.

EDIT: Just realized Procession-Procession-Hireling-Hireling can be done an infinite amount of times with Graverobber, so ignore Procession.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1906 on: July 31, 2015, 07:17:56 pm »
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Okay, then I can get to 168 in a 6-player game

Kingdom: Ambassador/Masquerade, Band of Misfits, Royal Carriage, Hireling, King's Court, Ferry, Inheritance (and presumably some engine support)

Ferry Token on Hireling.
Inherited Hirelings.


Deck:
34 Estates (16 from the Supply due to it being a 6-player game + 18 starting Estates courtesy of Masquerade or Ambassador)
10 Bands of Misfits
9 Royal Carriages
8 Hirelings
7 King's Courts
Presumably some engine parts so you can play the cards you want

Steps:
1. Play all Royal Carriages
2. Play King's Court->Band of Misfits (mimicking Hireling) (+3 cards/turn; 3 cards/turn total)
3. Call 9 Royal Carriages on King's Court, to play King's Court->Band of Misfits (mimicking Hireling) 9 more times (+27 cards/turn; 30 cards/turn total)
4. Gain the last Hireling (note that this doesn't end the game because 6-player games go to 4 piles)
5. Play all Royal Carriages
6. Play King's Court->Hireling (+3 cards/turn; 33 cards/turn total)
7. Call 8 Royal Carriages on King's Court, to play King's Court->Hireling 8 more times (+24 cards/turn; 57 cards/turn total)
8. Play all Royal Carriages
9. Play King's Court->Estate (+3 cards/turn; 60 cards/turn total)
10. Call 9 Royal Carriages on King's Court, to play King's Court->Estate 9 more times (+27 cards/turn; 87 cards/turn total)
11. Play all Royal Carriages
12. Play King's Court->Estate (+3 cards/turn; 90 cards/turn total)
13. Call 9 Royal Carriages on King's Court, to play King's Court->Estate 9 more times (+27 cards/turn; 117 cards/turn total)
14. Play all Royal Carriages
15. Play King's Court->Estate (+3 cards/turn; 120 cards/turn total)
16. Call 9 Royal Carriages on King's Court, to play King's Court->Estate 9 more times (+27 cards/turn; 147 cards/turn total)
17. Play all Royal Carriages
18. Play King's Court->King's Court->Estate-Estate-Estate (+9 cards/turn; 156 cards total)
19. Play King's Court->Estate (+3 cards/turn; 159 cards total)
20. Call 9 Royal Carriages on Estate (+9 cards/turn; 168 cards total)
21. Pass a turn (to fulfill the "no Durations played last turn" requirement")
22. Draw 168 cards at the start of your turn

Edit: Forgot about the set-aside Hireling.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1907 on: July 31, 2015, 07:22:01 pm »
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Inheritance sets aside a copy of the card the Estates become, so you can only have 8 Hirelings at the start.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1908 on: August 10, 2015, 04:38:14 pm »
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Here's a simple puzzle: How can you get infinite
a) Actions
b) Cards
c) Buys
d) Money
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1909 on: August 10, 2015, 04:40:37 pm »
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Here's a simple puzzle: How can you get infinite
a) Actions
b) Cards
c) Buys
d) Money

Well if you get (d), you can get (b) through storyteller.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1910 on: August 10, 2015, 04:50:11 pm »
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Here's a simple puzzle: How can you get infinite
a) Actions
b) Cards
c) Buys
d) Money

Well if you get (d), you can get (b) through storyteller.

If you can get (d), you can get (c) through Traveling Fair

If you can get (a) you can get (d) through Diadem

So we just need to figure out how to get (a).

(d) can be obtained with Merchant Guild or Pirate Ship if it doesn't have to be done in one turn. (You can generate infinite coin tokens given infinite turns. If it must be bounded, these aren't valid.)

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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1911 on: August 10, 2015, 05:01:46 pm »
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pirate ship is bounded by the copper going into the trash. Although I guess you can keep gaining from the trash with rogue etc.

Edit. nevermind
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1912 on: August 10, 2015, 05:09:02 pm »
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pirate ship is bounded by the copper going into the trash. Although I guess you can keep gaining from the trash with rogue etc.

Edit. nevermind

Yeah, Rouge/Graverobber is the idea, but they can't gain Copper, so it would have to be Silver/Gold/Kingdom Treasures.

Merchant Guild is bounded by cards to buy, but you can either return them with Ambassador, or buy things and never gain them by using Trader.

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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1913 on: August 10, 2015, 05:14:22 pm »
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I still can't think of a way to get infinite actions.  I guess you kind of can with a champion aka you will never run out of actions.\.  But that doesn't really count.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1914 on: August 10, 2015, 05:20:08 pm »
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I still can't think of a way to get infinite actions.  I guess you kind of can with a champion aka you will never run out of actions.\.  But that doesn't really count.

Well, Processing a Champion sets its +1 Action thing up twice, and for the rest of the game. If you re-gain taht Champion with Graverobber, you can do that as often as you want. Without Procession, i am pretty sure it's impossible.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1915 on: August 10, 2015, 05:22:17 pm »
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Although wouldn't the duration card still have to be out to get it's bonus?  Or could you procession a hireling and draw infinite cards?
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1916 on: August 10, 2015, 05:49:05 pm »
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Process Hireling every turn, regain with Graverobber. (Card)
Process Champion every turn, regain with Graverobber. (Action)
trash one of every treasure in the game (Black Market), gain Fortress, King's Court* Forager. (Money)**
Use your money to buy all of the Traveling Fairs you want. (Buy)***

*Processing and regaining with Graverobbers to reprocess can give even more dividends, but is more convoluted.
**Money can never be truly infinite, but you can go very very high with this method.
***Tied to money. No infinite money, no infinite buy.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1917 on: August 10, 2015, 06:34:18 pm »
+1

You can just play as many candlestick makers as you want for infinite money.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1918 on: August 10, 2015, 06:50:15 pm »
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Although wouldn't the duration card still have to be out to get it's bonus?  Or could you procession a hireling and draw infinite cards?
According to official rulings, if you play Procession (P1) on a Procession (P2) on a Duration card, then:
(a) the Duration is played twice, and so two lots of its Duration effect are in play;
(b) the Duration is trashed;
(c) P2 is trashed; and
(d) P1 is discarded from play during Clean-up.

So if you do Proc-Proc-Hireling, you get +2 Cards at the start of each turn and can retrieve both the Hireling and the Procession from the trash with Rogue/Graverobber, meaning that you could repeat the process every turn to get an unbounded number of card draws. Similarly, my reading of Champion is that for *each* Champion you play, you get +1 Action for *each* Action you play, and it's a straight Duration effect - not a while-in-play - hence by playing Proc-Proc-Champion over a few turns you get an unbounded number of Actions for every Action card you play.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1919 on: August 10, 2015, 07:36:24 pm »
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Although wouldn't the duration card still have to be out to get it's bonus?  Or could you procession a hireling and draw infinite cards?

ConMan kind of explained this, but i'll still answer this directly:

No to the first question. Yes to the second.

The reason is that any effect that is not below a dividing line is set up as soon as you play a card, and what happens to the card later is not of relevance. This is a bit confusing with Durations at first, but their effects are not conceptionally different from Smithies +3 Cards in that regard. Such an effect may be timed for later, like Scheme or Coppersmith, or have implicit conditions, like Champion. But the effect itself is set up as soon as the card is played.

This is different to effects that are inherently dependant on a condition, like "while in play", "when you trash this", "when you gain this" and reaction effects. All of those are below a dividing line to show that their effect is different from "on play" effects, and is not set up on playing a card.

A well known example for this is that playing Bridge twice with Throne Room actually reduces costs by (effect is above the line), while using Throne Room on Highway draws and gives actions twice (above), but only reduces costs by .

Similarly, a Processed Monument will give you +2, a processed Goons none, no matter how much you buy.

Hope this helps.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1920 on: August 10, 2015, 08:09:15 pm »
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I guess I just haven't read those cards for a while!  thanks
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« Reply #1921 on: August 10, 2015, 10:46:53 pm »
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Can someone clarify the puzzle?  Are we actually talking about infinite cards/actions/buys/coin?  I don't think that's possible.  Really we're just talking about unbounded cards/actions/buys/coin, right?  The difference being in the first case, you would look at your "action pool" and say "I have infinity actions remaining", whereas in the second case, we just mean that for any real number you name, I can generate more actions than that.
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« Reply #1922 on: August 10, 2015, 11:01:22 pm »
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I don't think there are any infinite combos that can be repeated within the bounds of one turn, so I believe this would have to be looking for ways to generate an infinite amount given infinite turns (unbounded).

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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1923 on: August 10, 2015, 11:23:01 pm »
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I'm pretty sure it's unbounded.

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« Reply #1924 on: August 10, 2015, 11:31:08 pm »
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Likewise, I don't believe there are any infinite combos that can be pulled off in a turn, mainly because you can't arbitrarily get a card currently in play back into your deck or hand within the same phase of a turn. You can get a bunch of cards into the trash and then gain them back with Graverobber/Rogue, but then you usually can't trash the cards you used to trash those cards in the first place (and also often can't trash the Graverobber). If there were some way to buy Events during your Action phase then you could probably manage something with Bonfire.

So instead, I read the puzzle as "How can you manage an arbitrarily large number of Actions/Coins/Cards/Buys on some turn?" which then boils down to "What resources can you set up a reliable loop to generate more of the more turns you have, and how can you turn them into Actions/Coins/Cards/Buys on a turn of your choosing?".
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