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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1750 on: June 02, 2015, 10:14:21 pm »
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What is the only non-Potion-costing Supply card that you can never Duplicate?

Simple.

Sir Martin.

You can theoretically copy anything else given you play enough highways.
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« Reply #1751 on: June 02, 2015, 11:16:32 pm »
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What is the only non-Potion-costing Supply card that you can never Duplicate?

Simple.

Sir Martin.

You can theoretically copy anything else given you play enough highways.

Well, technically you can't Duplicate any Knight, but that's now what I was going for.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1752 on: June 02, 2015, 11:27:28 pm »
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What is the only non-Potion-costing Supply card that you can never Duplicate?

Simple.

Sir Martin.

You can theoretically copy anything else given you play enough highways.

Well, technically you can't Duplicate any Knight, but that's now what I was going for.

So there's another answer?

You cannot duplicate the Duplicate card itself, if you're trying some loaded question.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1753 on: June 02, 2015, 11:35:49 pm »
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What is the only non-Potion-costing Supply card that you can never Duplicate?

Simple.

Sir Martin.

You can theoretically copy anything else given you play enough highways.

Well, technically you can't Duplicate any Knight, but that's now what I was going for.

So there's another answer?

You cannot duplicate the Duplicate card itself, if you're trying some loaded question.

Right.  The first Duplicate you gain can't be Duplicated.

Next puzzle: I play a card this turn.  Between then and my next turn, I do not shuffle, and I do not top-deck anything, and yet that card is in my next hand.  What is the card, and how is it in my hand?
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1754 on: June 02, 2015, 11:42:58 pm »
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Procession a Fortress(Fortress is the card being played) and then Haven/Gear it
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« Reply #1755 on: June 02, 2015, 11:47:08 pm »
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Procession a Fortress(Fortress is the card being played) and then Haven/Gear it

Can you do it without Procession?
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« Reply #1756 on: June 02, 2015, 11:57:19 pm »
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What is the only non-Potion-costing Supply card that you can never Duplicate?

Simple.

Sir Martin.

You can theoretically copy anything else given you play enough highways.

Well, technically you can't Duplicate any Knight, but that's now what I was going for.

So there's another answer?

You cannot duplicate the Duplicate card itself, if you're trying some loaded question.

Right.  The first Duplicate you gain can't be Duplicated.

What about the last card in each pile?
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« Reply #1757 on: June 03, 2015, 12:01:54 am »
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Telling me not to use Procession (and not without haven) tells me that there's a way to play a card and then get it back into your hand the same turn without gaining to discard or topdecking

...or is this another one of those?

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« Reply #1758 on: June 03, 2015, 12:04:05 am »
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What is the only non-Potion-costing Supply card that you can never Duplicate?

Simple.

Sir Martin.

You can theoretically copy anything else given you play enough highways.

Well, technically you can't Duplicate any Knight, but that's now what I was going for.

So there's another answer?

You cannot duplicate the Duplicate card itself, if you're trying some loaded question.

Right.  The first Duplicate you gain can't be Duplicated.

What about the last card in each pile?

If we define Duplicate as "call Duplicate to resolve Duplicate's on call effect", only wero's solution works. A successful duplication is another matter
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« Reply #1759 on: June 03, 2015, 12:36:46 am »
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OK then, I contend that wero's solution doesn't work either.  So here's a counter-puzzle:

How can you Duplicate the first Duplicate you gain?
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« Reply #1760 on: June 03, 2015, 12:39:55 am »
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What is the only non-Potion-costing Supply card that you can never Duplicate?

Simple.

Sir Martin.

You can theoretically copy anything else given you play enough highways.

Well, technically you can't Duplicate any Knight, but that's now what I was going for.

So there's another answer?

You cannot duplicate the Duplicate card itself, if you're trying some loaded question.

Right.  The first Duplicate you gain can't be Duplicated.

Next puzzle: I play a card this turn.  Between then and my next turn, I do not shuffle, and I do not top-deck anything, and yet that card is in my next hand.  What is the card, and how is it in my hand?

Copper. Play it with Storyteller, draw it back next turn with a princed Counting House.
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« Reply #1761 on: June 03, 2015, 12:44:44 am »
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OK then, I contend that wero's solution doesn't work either.  So here's a counter-puzzle:

How can you Duplicate the first Duplicate you gain?

That can't be possible, since you would have to gain Duplicate via IW, play it, and it cannot gain itself at any time while it's not in play in the first place. I would say you remodel it to 'duplicate' your duplicate, but it can't be a trick like that, can it?
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« Reply #1762 on: June 03, 2015, 12:47:04 am »
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OK then, I contend that wero's solution doesn't work either.  So here's a counter-puzzle:

How can you Duplicate the first Duplicate you gain?

That can't be possible, since you would have to gain Duplicate via IW, play it, and it cannot gain itself at any time while it's not in play in the first place. I would say you remodel it to 'duplicate' your duplicate, but it can't be a trick like that, can it?

I do have a solution.  And I am not using a trick definition of "duplicate" here.
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« Reply #1763 on: June 03, 2015, 12:48:02 am »
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OK then, I contend that wero's solution doesn't work either.  So here's a counter-puzzle:

How can you Duplicate the first Duplicate you gain?

That can't be possible, since you would have to gain Duplicate via IW, play it, and it cannot gain itself at any time while it's not in play in the first place. I would say you remodel it to 'duplicate' your duplicate, but it can't be a trick like that, can it?

I do have a solution.  And I am not using a trick definition of "duplicate" here.

Ohohohohhh... This is good... This is good...

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« Reply #1764 on: June 03, 2015, 12:49:09 am »
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Aha. You possess your opponent, who already has a Duplicate, and you simply buy your first Duplicate.
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« Reply #1765 on: June 03, 2015, 01:12:07 am »
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Aha. You possess your opponent, who already has a Duplicate, and you simply buy your first Duplicate.

Clarification: You are the only player who ever gains a Duplicate in this game.

(This is meant to be a counter-example to wero's puzzle, so your solution doesn't fit.)
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« Reply #1766 on: June 03, 2015, 01:17:19 am »
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You can gain cards from the trash. So you can trash the Duplicate via watchtower, get a second Duplicate, and gain the first Duplicate back via Graverobber, which should work.
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« Reply #1767 on: June 03, 2015, 01:25:10 am »
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You can gain cards from the trash. So you can trash the Duplicate via watchtower, get a second Duplicate, and gain the first Duplicate back via Graverobber, which should work.

That's the general idea.  wero's puzzle is about a specific copy of a card, the first in the stack.  But you can gain a specific copy more than once.  Gaining it from the trash is one way.  Another way is to return it to the pile via Ambassador.
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« Reply #1768 on: June 03, 2015, 07:20:54 am »
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You can gain cards from the trash. So you can trash the Duplicate via watchtower, get a second Duplicate, and gain the first Duplicate back via Graverobber, which should work.

That's the general idea.  wero's puzzle is about a specific copy of a card, the first in the stack.  But you can gain a specific copy more than once.  Gaining it from the trash is one way.  Another way is to return it to the pile via Ambassador.

Then you could also get two and return the first with Ambassador...
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1769 on: June 03, 2015, 07:45:16 am »
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Procession a Fortress(Fortress is the card being played) and then Haven/Gear it

Can you do it without Procession?
Pawn/Peasant, Transmogrify + Poor House?
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« Reply #1770 on: June 03, 2015, 08:22:45 am »
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Next puzzle: I play a card this turn.  Between then and my next turn, I do not shuffle, and I do not top-deck anything, and yet that card is in my next hand.  What is the card, and how is it in my hand?

Any card -- you have <= 5 cards in your deck.

EDIT: I guess technically you're supposed to still shuffle.  But IRL I don't shuffle if my deck has <= 5 cards, and there's no reason Goko would have to either (although I think it does?), so my answer still holds.

EDIT2: I guess not all cards would work, e.g. Durations or anything like that.
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« Reply #1771 on: June 03, 2015, 08:46:56 am »
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What is the only non-Potion-costing Supply card that you can never Duplicate?

Simple.

Sir Martin.

You can theoretically copy anything else given you play enough highways.

Well, technically you can't Duplicate any Knight, but that's now what I was going for.

So there's another answer?

You cannot duplicate the Duplicate card itself, if you're trying some loaded question.

Right.  The first Duplicate you gain can't be Duplicated.

Next puzzle: I play a card this turn.  Between then and my next turn, I do not shuffle, and I do not top-deck anything, and yet that card is in my next hand.  What is the card, and how is it in my hand?

Copper. Play it with Storyteller, draw it back next turn with a princed Counting House.

It has to be part of your starting hand for that turn.
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« Reply #1772 on: June 03, 2015, 10:08:09 am »
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But Bonfire to trash a Fortress that is in play, and then buy Save to put it in your next turn's hand.

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« Reply #1773 on: June 03, 2015, 10:14:52 am »
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But Bonfire to trash a Fortress that is in play, and then buy Save to put it in your next turn's hand.

Exactly.
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« Reply #1774 on: June 03, 2015, 12:04:51 pm »
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You can gain cards from the trash. So you can trash the Duplicate via watchtower, get a second Duplicate, and gain the first Duplicate back via Graverobber, which should work.

That's the general idea.  wero's puzzle is about a specific copy of a card, the first in the stack.  But you can gain a specific copy more than once.  Gaining it from the trash is one way.  Another way is to return it to the pile via Ambassador.

Then you could also get two and return the first with Ambassador...

Not in 3p.  And it breaks the clarification that no other player gains a Duplicate.
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