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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1525 on: May 01, 2015, 11:11:54 am »
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(I'm not sure this belongs in the puzzles, but I'm not responding to something in the main discussion thread so... sorry for perpetuating off topic-ness.)

I think that the ruling that appears to have been settled on by Donald is perfectly logical.  There are potentially other reasonable interpretations, but I like the new official ruling the best.

When considering the Throne Room case, you have to very carefully define what "it" is.  If you define "it" as the rules of the card in your hand that you chose, then you can go two different ways.  If BoM transforms before anything can ever see it as BoM, then you say "this card is Feast, and TR says to play Feast twice". If it does not, then you say "this card is BoM, and TR says to play BoM twice" 

Those are both reasonable interpretations, but the other option is to define "it" as the actual single physical instance of the card you chose.  You chose an Action card from your hand and Throne Room tells you to play that card twice.  That card is BoM. You play it, and BoM says "now I am Village until I leave play" when you play that card again, it is sitting in play and it is Village, so Village gets played.  If you choose Feast, the card you chose is in the trash after it is played the first time.  The card has changed back into BoM before it gets played the second time, so it gets played as BoM again.

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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1526 on: May 03, 2015, 12:05:55 am »
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*Easty Puzzles with Complicated Rule Implications
As opposed to Westy or Northy puzzles?
Florst puzzles.
Florsty*
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1527 on: May 03, 2015, 12:38:57 am »
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I play three Grand Markets on turn 3.  How?
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1528 on: May 03, 2015, 12:50:18 am »
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Messenger, Ferry, Ball, Borrow on the board.

Opponent buys Ferry, putting it on Grand Market.
I buy Ferry, putting it on Grand Market.
Opponent buys Messenger, both of us gain Grand Market.
I buy Borrow for +1, and buy Ball, gaining two Grand Markets.

I draw three Grand Markets on T3.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1529 on: May 03, 2015, 12:51:18 am »
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I buy Ferry, putting it on Grand Market.
Opponent buys Messenger, both of us gain Grand Market.

Doesn't work; Grand Market's cost is still $6 on your opponent's turn.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1530 on: May 03, 2015, 12:52:33 am »
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My own puzzle: In a 2 player game, how can you open Province/Tournament?

Edit: My solution states that the opponent goes first, buying Ferry and putting it on Grand Market.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1531 on: May 03, 2015, 08:22:34 am »
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Right, all the players who Messenger need to put Ferry on GM.

There's another solution that doesn't involve Messenger, but Ferry is certainly key.  :)
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1532 on: May 03, 2015, 10:16:33 am »
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My own puzzle: In a 2 player game, how can you open Province/Tournament?

Edit: My solution states that the opponent goes first, buying Ferry and putting it on Grand Market.

Opponent plays three Coppers to buy Ferry on Lost City.
You play four Coppers to buy Tournament.
Opponent plays four Coppers and a Baker coin to buy Ball, gaining two Lost Cities. You shuffle and draw Tournament and a Copper.
You play Tournament and draw another Copper, then play five Coppers and a Baker coin and buy Borrow and a Province.

Right, all the players who Messenger need to put Ferry on GM.

There's another solution that doesn't involve Messenger, but Ferry is certainly key.  :)

Ferry/Inheritance? If that counts. Opponent needs to get a Lost City for you to hit both price targets.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1533 on: May 03, 2015, 10:21:51 am »
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If I am right, BoM keeps it's cost while assuming the guise of another card.

This is definitely incorrect. If it copies Scout, then it costs 4 until it leaves play. Granted, that is irrelevant for Procession (and every other case I can think of), but it's still correct.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1534 on: May 03, 2015, 02:42:53 pm »
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Right, all the players who Messenger need to put Ferry on GM.

There's another solution that doesn't involve Messenger, but Ferry is certainly key.  :)

Ferry/Inheritance? If that counts. Opponent needs to get a Lost City for you to hit both price targets.

It shouldn't count.  Inherited Estate is still Estate.  It doesn't gain the name of the selected card.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1535 on: May 03, 2015, 03:00:45 pm »
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My own puzzle: In a 2 player game, how can you open Province/Tournament?

Edit: My solution states that the opponent goes first, buying Ferry and putting it on Grand Market.

Opponent plays three Coppers to buy Ferry on Lost City.
You play four Coppers to buy Tournament.
Opponent plays four Coppers and a Baker coin to buy Ball, gaining two Lost Cities. You shuffle and draw Tournament and a Copper.
You play Tournament and draw another Copper, then play five Coppers and a Baker coin and buy Borrow and a Province.

That works, but how about T1 Province and T2 Tournament?
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1536 on: May 03, 2015, 03:18:56 pm »
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Hmm. You could have an opponent buy Lost City so you can reach Province, then they buy Messenger to give you the Tournament, but I assume that's not valid either.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1537 on: May 03, 2015, 05:25:52 pm »
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Right, all the players who Messenger need to put Ferry on GM.

There's another solution that doesn't involve Messenger, but Ferry is certainly key.  :)

Ferry/Inheritance? If that counts. Opponent needs to get a Lost City for you to hit both price targets.

It shouldn't count.  Inherited Estate is still Estate.  It doesn't gain the name of the selected card.

Ah, right, right.  Forgot about the "staying Estates" thing.  Good thing Messenger works, though, or else I'd look really stupid! 
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1538 on: May 03, 2015, 11:51:18 pm »
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My own puzzle: In a 2 player game, how can you open Province/Tournament?

Edit: My solution states that the opponent goes first, buying Ferry and putting it on Grand Market.

Opponent plays three Coppers to buy Ferry on Lost City.
You play four Coppers to buy Tournament.
Opponent plays four Coppers and a Baker coin to buy Ball, gaining two Lost Cities. You shuffle and draw Tournament and a Copper.
You play Tournament and draw another Copper, then play five Coppers and a Baker coin and buy Borrow and a Province.

That works, but how about T1 Province and T2 Tournament?
You need them to open Lost City, so you can 6 Copper+Baker+Borrow for your Province.
Then, you Alms for your Tournament.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1539 on: May 04, 2015, 10:26:19 am »
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How much money does 3 estates cost?

Hey. It's an easy puzzle.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1540 on: May 04, 2015, 10:44:41 am »
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The total for 3 is 6 coins if this isn't intended as a trick question.

Potential trick question answers:
They don't cost anything because you start the game with them (if you don't start with Shelters).
Estates do not cost money, they cost 2 coins each. 

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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1541 on: May 04, 2015, 10:44:55 am »
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How much money does 3 estates cost?

Hey. It's an easy puzzle.

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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1542 on: May 04, 2015, 10:50:32 am »
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How much money does 3 estates cost?

Hey. It's an easy puzzle.

About tree fiddy.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1543 on: May 04, 2015, 11:33:51 am »
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My own puzzle: In a 2 player game, how can you open Province/Tournament?

Edit: My solution states that the opponent goes first, buying Ferry and putting it on Grand Market.

Opponent plays three Coppers to buy Ferry on Lost City.
You play four Coppers to buy Tournament.
Opponent plays four Coppers and a Baker coin to buy Ball, gaining two Lost Cities. You shuffle and draw Tournament and a Copper.
You play Tournament and draw another Copper, then play five Coppers and a Baker coin and buy Borrow and a Province.

That works, but how about T1 Province and T2 Tournament?
You need them to open Lost City, so you can 6 Copper+Baker+Borrow for your Province.
Then, you Alms for your Tournament.

Correct!
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1544 on: May 04, 2015, 08:16:19 pm »
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How much money does 3 estates cost?

Hey. It's an easy puzzle.
http://www.amazon.com/Rio-Grande-Games-RGG-471/dp/B007MKLX84
Dominion Extra Cards costs $11.27 and comes with 12 Estates. So 3 Estates costs 1/4 of that, or $2.82
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1545 on: May 04, 2015, 08:23:50 pm »
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But what about all the other base cards? It doesn't make sense to adjust for the fact that you only need 3 estates but not the fact that you don't need other cards at all.
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« Reply #1546 on: May 04, 2015, 08:38:23 pm »
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But what about all the other base cards? It doesn't make sense to adjust for the fact that you only need 3 estates but not the fact that you don't need other cards at all.

Well, I hear the going rate for each Province is about $8.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1547 on: May 04, 2015, 10:00:39 pm »
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How much money does 3 estates cost?

Hey. It's an easy puzzle.

$6..............and three buys!
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1548 on: May 04, 2015, 10:04:41 pm »
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One hunting grounds, or $6 and a buy.
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« Reply #1549 on: May 04, 2015, 10:25:46 pm »
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One hunting grounds, or $6 and a buy.

For you, maybe. The rest of us need to put in a bit more work.
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