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[Awaclus]

I just bought an Estate for $5. On my next turn, I won the game because of that. Why? (this actually happened so you can cheat by searching for my recent games against faust on gokosalvager if you want)

Some obvious answers that didn't actually happen:

• the Duchy pile was empty/embargoed/contrabanded/in a disadvantageous PPR situation, and I needed the point
• Baron was in the kingdom and I needed something to discard
• Something cared about the card's name and having a card named Estate was more beneficial than other options

I can think of at least two other reasons in addition to the reason why I actually did it.

So, the reason for this was that I wanted to Upgrade something into the last Oracle for the purpose of leveling up Cities at the right time (during my action phase), and Estate was the only $2 card available.


Here's another puzzle:

I have Treasure cards in play during my action phase. Black Market is not in the supply. How is this possible? (didn't actually happen)

[liopoil]

Since there is no valid definition of 'score' in dominion until the game ends, when you say the score was 27 to 24 then under the common interpretation which is the one salvager uses, it means 'if the game ended now' the score would be 27 to 24, which is not the case. Also, if you want to only count things in your deck the 2VP from each island does not count either as they are not in your deck and you only get point for victory cards in your deck at the end of the game.

[Seprix]

I just bought an Estate for $5. On my next turn, I won the game because of that. Why? (this actually happened so you can cheat by searching for my recent games against faust on gokosalvager if you want)

Some obvious answers that didn't actually happen:

• the Duchy pile was empty/embargoed/contrabanded/in a disadvantageous PPR situation, and I needed the point
• Baron was in the kingdom and I needed something to discard
• Something cared about the card's name and having a card named Estate was more beneficial than other options

I can think of at least two other reasons in addition to the reason why I actually did it.

So, the reason for this was that I wanted to Upgrade something into the last Oracle for the purpose of leveling up Cities at the right time (during my action phase), and Estate was the only $2 card available.


Here's another puzzle:

I have Treasure cards in play during my action phase. Black Market is not in the supply. How is this possible? (didn't actually happen)

It has to be some niche, since it's not listed as a combo with Tactician.

Would having a card like Rebuild draw a copper count as having it in play? Adventurer?

Haven. Does that count?

Does trashing cards from your hand put them (temporarily) in play?

[Awaclus]

Would having a card like Rebuild draw a copper count as having it in play? Adventurer?

Haven. Does that count?

Does trashing cards from your hand put them (temporarily) in play?

Those don't count.

[Seprix]

Since there is no valid definition of 'score' in dominion until the game ends, when you say the score was 27 to 24 then under the common interpretation which is the one salvager uses, it means 'if the game ended now' the score would be 27 to 24, which is not the case. Also, if you want to only count things in your deck the 2VP from each island does not count either as they are not in your deck and you only get point for victory cards in your deck at the end of the game.

We can get philosophical. I can end up having 0 points until the end of the game. Sure. Most people would count the Islanded points. But the actual rules say Silk Road doesn't work unless you have enough green in your deck, and Island takes cards out of your deck until the end of the game.

It's just a puzzle. It doesn't change the game in any way, the result is the same either way.

[Seprix]

Would having a card like Rebuild draw a copper count as having it in play? Adventurer?

Haven. Does that count?

Does trashing cards from your hand put them (temporarily) in play?

Those don't count.

Unless you count Coin Tokens as Treasures, I don't see an answer.

[Awaclus]

Would having a card like Rebuild draw a copper count as having it in play? Adventurer?

Haven. Does that count?

Does trashing cards from your hand put them (temporarily) in play?

Those don't count.

Unless you count Coin Tokens as Treasures, I don't see an answer.

Coin tokens don't count as Treasures and there is an answer. It's a rather simple one, too.

[TheOthin]

All the Black Markets have been bought.

[Seprix]

All the Black Markets have been bought.

If that's the answer, I will be sad. But that might be technically true.

[Awaclus]

All the Black Markets have been bought.

If that's the answer, I will be sad. But that might be technically true.

That's the answer.

[Seprix]

All the Black Markets have been bought.

If that's the answer, I will be sad. But that might be technically true.

That's the answer.

I am sad.

[heron]

The better answer is that you got black market out of the black market deck.

[pacovf]

The better answer is that you got black market out of the black market deck.

Or as a prize from tournament.


EDIT: Damn, I am not a jester anymore, but a saboteur. Enough with the jokes now. Everything sucks.

[Donald X.]

The better answer is that you got black market out of the black market deck.

Or as a prize from tournament.


EDIT: Damn, I am not a jester anymore, but a saboteur. Enough with the jokes now. Everything sucks.

It's like someone took everything of yours away, and replaced it with something not quite as good.

[Seprix]

Island takes all cards outside of your deck until the end of the game. It says that it returns all cards to your deck at the end of the game,  and even though the VP is still there, it will not physically be in your deck. It takes 4 Victory Cards in your deck for Silk Road to count VP.



I've explored the options of Gardens, but you need at least 12 cards to get +2 with Gardens, and that means +1 VP for the 3 Gardens, revealing the ruse.

I can see the debate here, and it's all up to what Donald X. says. It doesn't change the game either way, it's just an interesting niche.

The better answer is that you got black market out of the black market deck.

Or as a prize from tournament.


EDIT: Damn, I am not a jester anymore, but a saboteur. Enough with the jokes now. Everything sucks.

It's like someone took everything of yours away, and replaced it with something not quite as good.

Donald. We need you.

[Donald X.]

Donald. We need you.

http://xkcd.com/169/

[Simon (DK)]

You have treasure cards in play during your action phase. Black Market isn't in the supply nor in the trash. If you don't play anymore cards and the game ends after your turn, then you wouldn't end up with any Black Markets in your deck. How is this possible?

[Donald X.]

You have treasure cards in play during your action phase. Black Market isn't in the supply nor in the trash. If you don't play anymore cards and the game ends after your turn, then you wouldn't end up with any Black Markets in your deck. How is this possible?

We bought out the Black Markets. I Procession my only Black Market, Graverobber it back, then Masquerade it to my opponent (who does not give me one back, phew).

[TheOthin]

You have treasure cards in play during your action phase. Black Market isn't in the supply nor in the trash. If you don't play anymore cards and the game ends after your turn, then you wouldn't end up with any Black Markets in your deck. How is this possible?

Procession. You've played your Treasures, but haven't finished resolving the second Black Market play, so it isn't in the trash yet.

[Seprix]

Donald. We need you.

http://xkcd.com/169/

Did... Did you just rip my arm off?

Serious question though. Do Islanded cards count as part of your deck? Would Silk Road count these Islanded cards before the game ends? It doesn't matter at all cuz points only matter in the end of the game, but it would be cool to know regardless.

[Joseph2302]

Donald. We need you.

http://xkcd.com/169/

Did... Did you just rip my arm off?

Serious question though. Do Islanded cards count as part of your deck? Would Silk Road count these Islanded cards before the game ends? It doesn't matter at all cuz points only matter in the end of the game, but it would be cool to know regardless.

I assume that if counting your score mid-game, it's counted as "If the game were to end now, my score would be.....", so you include those cards returned to your deck at the end of the game.

[Donald X.]

Serious question though. Do Islanded cards count as part of your deck? Would Silk Road count these Islanded cards before the game ends? It doesn't matter at all cuz points only matter in the end of the game, but it would be cool to know regardless.

Your deck is that pile of cards in front of you. It doesn't include your hand, discard pile, cards in play, or set aside cards. I feel like this must be clear in the rulebook, but hey maybe you have a foreign version with a bad translation.

[Simon (DK)]

You have treasure cards in play during your action phase. Black Market isn't in the supply nor in the trash. If you don't play anymore cards and the game ends after your turn, then you wouldn't end up with any Black Markets in your deck. How is this possible?

We bought out the Black Markets. I Procession my only Black Market, Graverobber it back, then Masquerade it to my opponent (who does not give me one back, phew).

Exactly the solution I was thinking of. Also works with Ambassador.

You have treasure cards in play during your action phase. Black Market isn't in the supply nor in the trash. If you don't play anymore cards and the game ends after your turn, then you wouldn't end up with any Black Markets in your deck. How is this possible?

Procession. You've played your Treasures, but haven't finished resolving the second Black Market play, so it isn't in the trash yet.

Nice catch

[Rubby]

Would Silk Road count these Islanded cards before the game ends?

By common-sense convention, yes. It's not a question that requires a DXV ruling.

If you're going for a strict interpretation of the official rules, the question is meaningless, because strictly officially, there is no "score" at all before the game ends.

[Asper]

Donald. We need you.

http://xkcd.com/169/

Did... Did you just rip my arm off?

I don't see what that was about, either.