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[Witherweaver]

I think "deck" includes hand, discard pile, draw deck, etc.  I don't think "in play" clause is needed either.

[Awaclus]

I have no victory cards in my deck (or in play), buy a curse and gain points. How come?
(no on guy/gain effects, outpost, possession etc...)

Goons. It's not an on "guy/gain" effect.

[Witherweaver]

I have no victory cards in my deck (or in play), buy a curse and gain points. How come?
(no on guy/gain effects, outpost, possession etc...)

Goons. It's not an on "guy/gain" effect.

False.  Goons is a guy!  Or a guys.

[Seprix]

You have 3 Provinces and one Estate all Islanded away, and your opponent has 4 Provinces. The score is 27 (me) and 24 (him). It is his turn. He buys the last Province. He loses. How? There are no embargo tokens in play. There are no VP chips in play.
This happened to me.

[Deadlock39]

Colonies?

Or you just have the other 4 Islands too, that is 35 points to his 30.

[Joseph2302]

Any source of any alternate -Vp would work

[Deadlock39]

Yeah, so many answers to that one... Duchies even.

Perhaps the VP mentioned is supposed to be the only VP in their decks. If that is the case, a ton of embargo tokens might be the only answer.

[Seprix]

I apologize for not providing more caveats to this. I have edited my first post.

You have 3 Provinces and one Estate all Islanded away, and your opponent has 4 Provinces. The score is 27 (me) and 24 (him). It is his turn. He buys the last Province. He loses. How? There are no embargo tokens in play. There are no VP chips in play.

This happened to me.

[Awaclus]

I have edited my first post.

Liar! I went and checked. It doesn't say that it has been edited. http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=12219.msg447811#msg447811

[Seprix]

I have edited my first post.

Liar! I went and checked. It doesn't say that it has been edited. http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=12219.msg447811#msg447811

You're the best.

[Deadlock39]

Your opponent bought the last Province, but then revealed Trader and didn't gain it. The next turn you bought the last Province (then gained it) and won the game.

...or your opponent revealed Watchtower and trashed it.

(couldn't find logs for either of those, so you probably have a different answer)

[Seprix]

Your opponent bought the last Province, but then revealed Trader and didn't gain it. The next turn you bought the last Province (then gained it) and won the game.

...or your opponent revealed Watchtower and trashed it.

(couldn't find logs for either of those, so you probably have a different answer)

Come on. It's easier than that.

[liopoil]

You trashed fool's gold for gold, boosting your 2 fairgrounds from 4 to 6 (you also had 8 curses)

[Seprix]

You trashed fool's gold for gold, boosting your 2 fairgrounds from 4 to 6 (you also had 8 curses)

But I said my total points were 27, which exactly covers 4 Islands, 3 Provinces, and an Estate. Wrong.

[liopoil]

You trashed fool's gold for gold, boosting your 2 fairgrounds from 4 to 6 (you also had 8 curses)

But I said my total points were 27, which exactly covers 4 Islands, 3 Provinces, and an Estate. Wrong.

Yes. You also had two 4-point fairgrounds and 8 curses for an added net 0. But then they got boosted, so you gained 4 points and won.

EDIT: another answer: he had 4 more buys and bought 4 curses.

[Seprix]

You trashed fool's gold for gold, boosting your 2 fairgrounds from 4 to 6 (you also had 8 curses)

But I said my total points were 27, which exactly covers 4 Islands, 3 Provinces, and an Estate. Wrong.

Yes. You also had two 4-point fairgrounds and 8 curses for an added net 0. But then they got boosted, so you gained 4 points and won.

EDIT: another answer: he had 4 more buys and bought 4 curses.

That's technically true, but the answer is more elegant than that.

[liopoil]

He had 7 highways and 4 hagglers in play and the copper pile was empty?

[Seprix]

He had 7 highways and 4 hagglers in play and the copper pile was empty?

So he was forced to buy curses? That's also true, but man... you're overthinking it. Think simple.

And no, he didn't resign before ending the turn.

[Seprix]

I suppose another answer is that I could be possessing my opponent to buy the Province, though I'm not sure whether that would count or not. My answer is a simple elegant answer, which can actually happen in a game, and one which may or may not have controversy, but has possible actual applications in certain games.

If no one can guess it correctly by the next two posts, I'll reveal my answer.

[liopoil]

I suppose another answer is that I could be possessing my opponent to buy the Province, though I'm not sure whether that would count or not. My answer is a simple elegant answer, which can actually happen in a game, and one which may or may not have controversy, but has possible actual applications in certain games.

If no one can guess it correctly by the next two posts, I'll reveal my answer.

Well, seeing none of us can find it, it must not be so obvious. He did buy the province, not just gain it, right?

[Seprix]

I suppose another answer is that I could be possessing my opponent to buy the Province, though I'm not sure whether that would count or not. My answer is a simple elegant answer, which can actually happen in a game, and one which may or may not have controversy, but has possible actual applications in certain games.

If no one can guess it correctly by the next two posts, I'll reveal my answer.

Well, seeing none of us can find it, it must not be so obvious. He did buy the province, not just gain it, right?

He bought the Province.

[RTT]

well maybe he trashed a province with sakvager to have enough coin for that las province

[Seprix]

This must be deviously simple.

I had 3 Silk Roads in my deck.

[RTT]

but then the current score wasnt really 27 to 24

[Seprix]

Island takes all cards outside of your deck until the end of the game. It says that it returns all cards to your deck at the end of the game,  and even though the VP is still there, it will not physically be in your deck. It takes 4 Victory Cards in your deck for Silk Road to count VP.



I've explored the options of Gardens, but you need at least 12 cards to get +2 with Gardens, and that means +1 VP for the 3 Gardens, revealing the ruse.

I can see the debate here, and it's all up to what Donald X. says. It doesn't change the game either way, it's just an interesting niche.