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[florrat]

Is it Band of Misfits? Reason: can trash other cards with the same name.

[amalloy]

Is it Band of Misfits? Reason: can trash other cards with the same name.

Can it, though? As soon as you put Band of Misfits on the table, it is no longer a Band of Misfits. It's just an ordinary Upgrade, or whatever, for the rest of that turn, including the time during which it trashes the "other" BoM from your hand.

[Awaclus]

Is it Band of Misfits? Reason: can trash other cards with the same name.

Can it, though? As soon as you put Band of Misfits on the table, it is no longer a Band of Misfits. It's just an ordinary Upgrade, or whatever, for the rest of that turn, including the time during which it trashes the "other" BoM from your hand.

It's just an ordinary upgrade and can trash another Upgrade from your hand.

[soulnet]

Is it Band of Misfits? Reason: can trash other cards with the same name.

You get an Honorary Mention, because it is borderline (I agree with amalloy's argument here, a BoM never trashes anything). There is a more clear answer.

[Rubby]

Is it Band of Misfits? Reason: can trash other cards with the same name.

You get an Honorary Mention, because it is borderline (I agree with amalloy's argument here, a BoM never trashes anything). There is a more clear answer.

Treasure Map.

[soulnet]

Treasure Map.

Yay!

[Elanchana]

This is mostly curiosity but I'll turn it into a puzzle/challenge anyway.

Suppose you wanted to make a (still playable) game with the most expensive kingdom cards possible. What cards would you choose and what would your strategy be?

[soulnet]

This is mostly curiosity but I'll turn it into a puzzle/challenge anyway.

Suppose you wanted to make a (still playable) game with the most expensive kingdom cards possible. What cards would you choose and what would your strategy be?

Most expensive is not well definied due to Potion costs, but let me try:

These are all the cards that (arguably) cost more than $6: Peddler, KC, Forge, Bank, Expand, Possession, Golem, Prince.
GM is arguably the most expensive $6-cost, so lets add it. Let me then add Goons to counter Possession. And of course, Platinum and Colony.

I guess you want to ignore Bank and Expand, and you want to build to megaturn Goons. Since there is no good draw other than KC-Peddler, you probably want Golem and as many Peddlers/GMs as you can get, which should make the engine tricky. Golem and Goons discourage Possession enough. I guess you want as many Golems as you can get, some KCs and some Goons, plus a Forge to trash the garbage. Probably a tactical game.

[Tables]

In a solo game, with the usual stipulations (perfect luck, you choose the kingdom, Possession turns count against you etc.) starting with a Shelters game deck (7 Coppers, Hovel, Overgrown Estate, Necropolis), transform your deck into a default starting deck (7 Coppers, 3 Estates) by turn 6. It doesn't matter what ends up in the trash, set aside on mats or anything like that so long as at the start of the 6th turn, all you have in total between your deck, hand, discard pile and in play is 7 Coppers and 3 Estates.

(Bonus harder question: Can you do it in less than 5 turns? I have a solution for 5 turns, and I don't think it's very complicated, but maybe it can be done quicker?)

[Mic Qsenoch]

Can do the easy one with Hermits. Open Hermit/Hermit, turns 3-4 play Hermits trashing OE and Necro, gain Estates, buy nothing get Madmen. Turn 5 play Madmen and buy Estate trashing Hovel. I imagine this was your solution.

[soulnet]

In a solo game, with the usual stipulations (perfect luck, you choose the kingdom, Possession turns count against you etc.) starting with a Shelters game deck (7 Coppers, Hovel, Overgrown Estate, Necropolis), transform your deck into a default starting deck (7 Coppers, 3 Estates) by turn 6. It doesn't matter what ends up in the trash, set aside on mats or anything like that so long as at the start of the 6th turn, all you have in total between your deck, hand, discard pile and in play is 7 Coppers and 3 Estates.

(Bonus harder question: Can you do it in less than 5 turns? I have a solution for 5 turns, and I don't think it's very complicated, but maybe it can be done quicker?)

This looks like it can be improved a lot.

Open Remake / Hermit

T3: Start with Remake C C Necro OE. Play Remake, trash Necro and OE (draw Hovel), gain two Estates, buy Estate, trash Hovel.
T4: Start with C C C C Hermit, play Hermit, trash BoM, buy nothing, trash Hermit, gain Madman.
T5: Play and return Madman.

[Witherweaver]

In a solo game, with the usual stipulations (perfect luck, you choose the kingdom, Possession turns count against you etc.) starting with a Shelters game deck (7 Coppers, Hovel, Overgrown Estate, Necropolis), transform your deck into a default starting deck (7 Coppers, 3 Estates) by turn 6. It doesn't matter what ends up in the trash, set aside on mats or anything like that so long as at the start of the 6th turn, all you have in total between your deck, hand, discard pile and in play is 7 Coppers and 3 Estates.

(Bonus harder question: Can you do it in less than 5 turns? I have a solution for 5 turns, and I don't think it's very complicated, but maybe it can be done quicker?)

This looks like it can be improved a lot.

Open Remake / Hermit

T3: Start with Remake C C Necro OE. Play Remake, trash Necro and OE (draw Hovel), gain two Estates, buy Estate, trash Hovel.
T4: Start with C C C C Hermit, play Hermit, trash BoM, buy nothing, trash Hermit, gain Madman.
T5: Play and return Madman.

Trash Remake?

[Tables]

Heh, some solutions that work here, but not the one I was thinking of. Not surprised there's lots of ways to do it though.

My solution was:

Turn 1 draw 5c, buy Doctor, overpay 2, trash OE, Nec, draw Hovel
Turn 2 draw 4c, Doctor (shuffle after drawing 3c). Play Doctor trashing Hovel, discarding 2c. Buy Island.
Turn 3 draw 3c, Doctor, Island. Island Doctor, buy Estate
Turns 4-5 buy Estate.

[amalloy]

Heh, some solutions that work here, but not the one I was thinking of. Not surprised there's lots of ways to do it though.

My solution was:

Turn 1 draw 5c, buy Doctor, overpay 2, trash OE, Nec, draw Hovel
Turn 2 draw 4c, Doctor (shuffle after drawing 3c). Play Doctor trashing Hovel, discarding 2c. Buy Island.
Turn 3 draw 3c, Doctor, Island. Island Doctor, buy Estate
Turns 4-5 buy Estate.

Doctor doesn't discard the two Coppers, it puts them back on top of your deck. It's not possible to draw your Island and Doctor together on turn 3 after that line of play. Now, you can set aside on a turn later than 3, so the general method is okay, but the details are wrong. On the other hand, I don't buy that having stuff on your Island mat counts as exactly your ordinary 10-card deck: stuff over there is still "in your deck", you just don't draw it. So I wouldn't accept this solution.

[Deadlock39]

Seems really close, but I can't find any way around the 5 Coppers on turn 4 to shave it down a turn

Turn 1: draw 5c, buy Band of Misfits
Turn 2: Nothing
Turn 3: draw 2c, BoM, Overgrown Estate, Necropolis. Play BoM as Remake, Trash Nec, Gain Estate, Trash OE, Draw Hovel, Gain Estate, Buy Estate, Trash Hovel.
Turn 4: draw 5c
Turn 5: draw BoM and 4 cards. Play BoM as Treasure Map.

[Deadlock39]

4 Turns.

Turn 1: Draw 5c. Buy Band of Misfits
Turn 2: Draw 2c, Shelters. Use Coin Token (Baker start), Buy Menagerie.
Turn 3: Draw Menagerie, BoM, Overgrown Estate, Necropolis, Hovel. Play Menagerie draw 3c, Play BoM as Remake, Trash Nec, Gain Estate, Trash OE, Draw Copper, Gain Estate, Buy Estate, Trash Hovel.
Turn 4: Draw 3 Copper, BoM, Menagerie. Play BoM as Island, Set aside Menagerie.

[eHalcyon]

OK, now start from a regular deck with Estates and transform it into a deck with Shelters.

[Deadlock39]

OK, now start from a regular deck with Estates and transform it into a deck with Shelters.

Turn 1: Draw 2c 3e. Buy Witherweaver.
Turn 2: Draw 5c. Buy Band of Misfits
Turn 3: Draw BoM, Copper, 3 Estates. Play BoM as Chapel, Trash 3 Estates.
Turn 4: Draw Witherweaver, 4 Copper. Play Witherweaver Gain Necropolis.
Turn 5: Draw 2 Copper, Necropolis, BoM, Witherweaver. Play Necro, play BoM as Witherweaver, gain Overgrown Estate, play Witherweaver, gain Hovel.
Turn 6: Draw 5 Copper.
Turn 7: Draw Witherweaver, BoM, 3 Copper.  Play BoM as Island, set aside Witherweaver.

[Witherweaver]

OK, now start from a regular deck with Estates and transform it into a deck with Shelters.

Turn 1: Draw 2c 3e. Buy Witherweaver.
Turn 2: Draw 5c. Buy Band of Misfits
Turn 3: Draw BoM, Copper, 3 Estates. Play BoM as Chapel, Trash 3 Estates.
Turn 4: Draw Witherweaver, 4 Copper. Play Witherweaver Gain Necropolis.
Turn 5: Draw 2 Copper, Necropolis, BoM, Witherweaver. Play Necro, play BoM as Witherweaver, gain Overgrown Estate, play Witherweaver, gain Hovel.
Turn 6: Draw 5 Copper.
Turn 7: Draw Witherweaver, BoM, 3 Copper.  Play BoM as Island, set aside Witherweaver.

I feel so relevant!

[Deadlock39]

Relevant for 6 turns, but then you are set aside.

[Witherweaver]

Relevant for 6 turns, but then you are set aside.

Much like my love life.

[ashersky]

Another actual easy puzzle for shraeye:

Name the missing card:

Chapel, Library, Ironworks, Lighthouse, Warehouse, Counting House, Mint, Bank, Embassy, Stables, Poor House, Armory, Fortress, Ruined Library, Hovel

Honorable mentions: Lots, I'm sure.

[liopoil]

Another actual easy puzzle for shraeye:

Name the missing card:

Chapel, Library, Ironworks, Lighthouse, Warehouse, Counting House, Mint, Bank, Embassy, Stables, Poor House, Armory, Fortress, Ruined Library, Hovel

Honorable mentions: Lots, I'm sure.

I'm not shraeye, but I can't get this one. Is it moat?

[ashersky]

Another actual easy puzzle for shraeye:

Name the missing card:

Chapel, Library, Ironworks, Lighthouse, Warehouse, Counting House, Mint, Bank, Embassy, Stables, Poor House, Armory, Fortress, Ruined Library, Hovel

Honorable mentions: Lots, I'm sure.

I'm not shraeye, but I can't get this one. Is it moat?

No, except maybe?  Can you tell me why it might be?

[liopoil]

Another actual easy puzzle for shraeye:

Name the missing card:

Chapel, Library, Ironworks, Lighthouse, Warehouse, Counting House, Mint, Bank, Embassy, Stables, Poor House, Armory, Fortress, Ruined Library, Hovel

Honorable mentions: Lots, I'm sure.

I'm not shraeye, but I can't get this one. Is it moat?

No, except maybe?  Can you tell me why it might be?

Because that's what Ozle would say. Also because lighthouse is on the list.