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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #75 on: April 16, 2013, 02:22:47 pm »
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Time for another.

What is the highest number of Golds and Silvers that can be gained by playing one single action card? Highest combination of both counts, I don't know the answer nor whether it includes just Golds, just Silvers or both.

Limits:
- You are starting with a regular 5-card hand and an empty discard pile, you may specify the draw pile
- It's a solitaire game
- No duration cards have been played previously
- You are not Possessing yourself
- There is nothing on any of the mats

Examples:
You use Storeroom to discard 4 Tunnels, draw them back and discard them again (your draw pile is empty), gaining 8 Golds.

Hints:
The solution might involve Trader and/or Watchtower and very likely Golem.

Define "playing one single action card"? Does this mean Throne Room, Procession, King's Court, and actions that Golem finds are out?
What I meant was simply: Yes to Golem, no to TR, PR and KC.
Playing a single KC doesn't get you anywhere. :)

Wait, yes to Golem? Or do you just mean that you can play Golem, but you can't play the actions that it finds?
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #76 on: April 16, 2013, 02:25:40 pm »
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Time for another.

What is the highest number of Golds and Silvers that can be gained by playing one single action card? Highest combination of both counts, I don't know the answer nor whether it includes just Golds, just Silvers or both.

Limits:
- You are starting with a regular 5-card hand and an empty discard pile, you may specify the draw pile
- It's a solitaire game
- No duration cards have been played previously
- You are not Possessing yourself
- There is nothing on any of the mats

Examples:
You use Storeroom to discard 4 Tunnels, draw them back and discard them again (your draw pile is empty), gaining 8 Golds.

Hints:
The solution might involve Trader and/or Watchtower and very likely Golem.

Hand is Golem, 3 Market Squares, and Watchtower.
Play Golem, finding no actions, discarding 8 Tunnels from your deck.
Gain 8 Golds, trashing 1 of them to Watchtower, discarding 3 Market Squares.

Is that 11 or just 10? You didn't say you have to keep the Gold/Silver in your deck, just gain them.

If you don't have to keep the Silvers for them to count, just Trader a Feodum for 7 Silvers, reveal Trader to gain Silvers instead.

That's 14 if you count the Silvers you didn't end up gaining.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #77 on: April 16, 2013, 02:27:23 pm »
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Time for another.

What is the highest number of Golds and Silvers that can be gained by playing one single action card? Highest combination of both counts, I don't know the answer nor whether it includes just Golds, just Silvers or both.

Limits:
- You are starting with a regular 5-card hand and an empty discard pile, you may specify the draw pile
- It's a solitaire game
- No duration cards have been played previously
- You are not Possessing yourself
- There is nothing on any of the mats

Examples:
You use Storeroom to discard 4 Tunnels, draw them back and discard them again (your draw pile is empty), gaining 8 Golds.

Hints:
The solution might involve Trader and/or Watchtower and very likely Golem.

Hand is Golem, 3 Market Squares, and Watchtower.
Play Golem, finding no actions, discarding 8 Tunnels from your deck.
Gain 8 Golds, trashing 1 of them to Watchtower, discarding 3 Market Squares.

Is that 11 or just 10? You didn't say you have to keep the Gold/Silver in your deck, just gain them.

If you don't have to keep the Silvers for them to count, just Trader a Feodum for 7 Silvers, reveal Trader to gain Silvers instead.

That's 14 if you count the Silvers you didn't end up gaining.

That doesn't work... because you never got the original 7 Silvers at all. It's "when you would gain" not "when you gain" for Trader. If that did count, then you could easily get infinite by revealing Trader over and over.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #78 on: April 16, 2013, 02:28:38 pm »
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Time for another.

What is the highest number of Golds and Silvers that can be gained by starting with playing one single action card? Highest combination of both counts, I don't know the answer nor whether it includes just Golds, just Silvers or both.

Limits:
- You are starting with a regular 5-card hand and an empty discard pile, you may specify the draw pile
- It's a solitaire game
- No duration cards have been played previously
- You are not Possessing yourself
- There is nothing on any of the mats

Examples:
You use Storeroom to discard 4 Tunnels, draw them back and discard them again (your draw pile is empty), gaining 8 Golds.

Hints:
The solution might involve Trader and/or Watchtower and very likely Golem.

Or perhaps simpler is better....

Play Trader, trashing Colony
Reveal and Discard 3 Market Squares
Gain 11 Silver

14 total.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #79 on: April 16, 2013, 03:31:54 pm »
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Yes to Golem means yes to the actions it finds, meaning: Use Golem and start some weird chain of events. :)
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #80 on: April 16, 2013, 03:38:11 pm »
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Yes to Golem means yes to the actions it finds, meaning: Use Golem and start some weird chain of events. :)
And does the "yes" here mean it's allowed or prohibited?
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #81 on: April 16, 2013, 03:40:37 pm »
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Allowed and encouraged, go ahead and start with Golem finding 2KCs or something.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #82 on: April 16, 2013, 04:39:16 pm »
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Allowed and encouraged, go ahead and start with Golem finding 2KCs or something.

...which force you to play more Golems?
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #83 on: April 16, 2013, 04:44:50 pm »
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Time for another.

What is the highest number of Golds and Silvers that can be gained by playing one single action card? Highest combination of both counts, I don't know the answer nor whether it includes just Golds, just Silvers or both.

Limits:
- You are starting with a regular 5-card hand and an empty discard pile, you may specify the draw pile
- It's a solitaire game
- No duration cards have been played previously
- You are not Possessing yourself
- There is nothing on any of the mats

Examples:
You use Storeroom to discard 4 Tunnels, draw them back and discard them again (your draw pile is empty), gaining 8 Golds.

Hints:
The solution might involve Trader and/or Watchtower and very likely Golem.

Define "playing one single action card"? Does this mean Throne Room, Procession, King's Court, and actions that Golem finds are out?
What I meant was simply: Yes to Golem, no to TR, PR and KC.
Playing a single KC doesn't get you anywhere. :)

Allowed and encouraged, go ahead and start with Golem finding 2KCs or something.

Wait, if Golem finds 2 King's Courts, wouldn't that end the chain because King's Court doesn't count?
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #84 on: April 16, 2013, 04:46:51 pm »
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Allowed and encouraged, go ahead and start with Golem finding 2KCs or something.

In that case, I don't think this belongs in the "easy puzzles" section. CC will be along shortly to show how you can gain every Gold and Silver in the supply.

I prefer the other version, where you can only "play" one action total. This means that actions played from Golem would count as more than 1 action being played. In the restricted version, can anyone beat my 14?
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #85 on: April 16, 2013, 04:52:00 pm »
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Can you have played other actions first?  Or have durations left over from last turn?

For example: I played 7 Caravans/Havens last turn.  On this turn I play Trader, trash Colony, and discard 10 Market Squares to gain 11 Silvers and 10 Golds, for a total of 21.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #86 on: April 16, 2013, 04:57:14 pm »
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hand is rebuild and 4 market squares. deck is 8 tunnels then an estate. play rebuild naming tunnel, discard the 8 tunnels, trash the estate and discard 4 market squares for 12 golds. 12 is fewer than 14, but gold is better than silver :D (yes I know the goal of the puzzle is to get the most total of gold or silver, doesn't matter which) you could replace a market square with a trader to gain a silver instead of all those golds, and also one more from the duchy you gain from rebuild. Still only 12 silvers though, because trader replaced a market square.

no durations.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #87 on: April 16, 2013, 04:58:51 pm »
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actually, make that last estate a feodum and BOOM! 15!
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #88 on: April 16, 2013, 05:01:45 pm »
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or even better:

hand is watchtower, rebuild, 3 market squares. deck is 8 tunnels and a feodum.

play rebuild, discard 8 tunnels (8 golds), trash feodum (3 silvers) discard 3 market squares(3 golds) gain a new feodum from rebuild, trash feodum with watchtower (3 silvers). total of 11 golds and 6 silvers for 17. I rather like this solution. it uses 7 different cards :D
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #89 on: April 16, 2013, 05:07:35 pm »
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or even better:

hand is watchtower, rebuild, 3 market squares. deck is 8 tunnels and a feodum.

play rebuild, discard 8 tunnels (8 golds), trash feodum (3 silvers) discard 3 market squares(3 golds) gain a new feodum from rebuild, trash feodum with watchtower (3 silvers). total of 11 golds and 6 silvers for 17. I rather like this solution. it uses 7 different cards :D

Hand is Rebuild, 3 Market Squares, Fedoum.  Deck is 8 Tunnels and a Feodum.

Play rebuild, discard 8 Tunnels (8 Golds), trash Feodum (3 Silvers) discard 3 Market Squares(3 golds) gain a Farmland from Rebuild, trash Feodum from hand (3 silvers) to gain Border Village, gaining a Silver.

That's 11 Gold, 7 Silver = 18.

Or if you don't mind having less Gold, replace a MS with Watchtower.  BV gains Feodum, which is trashed for 3 Silver.  That'll be 10 Gold, 10 Silver = 20.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #90 on: April 16, 2013, 05:12:25 pm »
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farmland's effect is on-buy only. fortress.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #91 on: April 16, 2013, 05:22:19 pm »
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farmland's effect is on-buy only. fortress.

Doh!
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #92 on: April 16, 2013, 06:28:52 pm »
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Allowed and encouraged, go ahead and start with Golem finding 2KCs or something.

I had written out a huge solution involving KC's and Golems, then read "1 action card" so erased it and made my stupid Trader remark which doesn't even make sense. -_-
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #93 on: April 16, 2013, 06:37:58 pm »
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Well, if golem works but we can't golem into KC chains, let's see what we can do. To start:

hand: golem, watchtower, 3 market squares
deck: 8 tunnels, feodum, 2 rebuilds (in that order)

play golem, discard 8 tunnels and feodum, hit double rebuild (8 gold from tunnels) play rebuild 1, name tunnel. shuffle with feodum on bottom, discard tunnels again (8 gold), hit feodum. trash feodum (3 silver), discard market squares (3 gold) gain feodum. play rebuild 2, name tunnel. shuffle with feodum on bottom, discard tunnels again (8 gold), trash feodum (3 silver) gain feodum, trash with watchtower (3 silver) Total of 27 gold and 9 silver, for 36.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #94 on: April 17, 2013, 01:22:38 am »
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Why not ten Market Squares? Your opponent previously played 5 Council Rooms. :P
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« Reply #95 on: April 17, 2013, 01:34:57 am »
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Why not ten Market Squares? Your opponent previously played 5 Council Rooms. :P

The puzzle says you start with 5 cards in hand!
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #96 on: April 17, 2013, 02:06:23 am »
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Why not ten Market Squares? Your opponent previously played 5 Council Rooms. :P

The puzzle says you start with 5 cards in hand!
Oh. Then draw cards, and then play the Golem. The treasures are technically being gained via only one action card, the Golem.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #97 on: April 17, 2013, 03:29:35 am »
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A new puzzle (this one happened in a real game).

On one of my turns, the last action I played was Count, and I used the "trash hand" option.  (I had no virtual coin from Action cards.) I then bought two Actions.  When would this be good strategy?
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« Reply #98 on: April 17, 2013, 03:56:02 am »
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1. Black Market
2. It's a game with Ruins, you're buying the last two Ruins to end the game and trash some Curses
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« Reply #99 on: April 17, 2013, 03:58:50 am »
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I thought of both of those as possibilities, but neither of those is what actually happened.
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