Topic: Vault on a Tunnel Board (Read 10671 times)

Asper · « **on:** March 04, 2013, 08:53:15 am »

Recently we played on a Tunnel board, and i happened to hit a 5/2 opening. I bought a Vault.
My second buy was Squire, the only 2$ in the kingdom. I only bought one more type of action card, and no other Squire.

My opponents bought Tunnels like crazy. They had a reason to do so, because from turn 3 on i played Vault almost every turn. The one time i did not, i bought my (one and only) Tunnel, but that was late in the game. So my question to you is: What other cards synergized good enough with Vault to make me (almost) ignore Tunnel and win with this strategy?

hsiale · « **Reply #1 on:** March 04, 2013, 08:55:27 am »

Grand Market?

SirPeebles · « **Reply #2 on:** March 04, 2013, 09:04:49 am »

Platinum?

DStu · « **Reply #3 on:** March 04, 2013, 09:12:55 am »

Tactician?
Library?

Asper · « **Reply #4 on:** March 04, 2013, 09:20:54 am »

No, sorry, none of those.
Some more hints: I also spammed a third card besides Vault and that other Action. Both cards also synergized with each other, but Vault and that Action helped me do it. It was a Province game, too - i wouldn't have done it otherwise, because i needed some set-up time.
Now it's easy.

SirPeebles · « **Reply #5 on:** March 04, 2013, 09:24:37 am »

Alchemist?

DStu · « **Reply #6 on:** March 04, 2013, 09:26:09 am »

Quote from: SirPeebles on March 04, 2013, 09:24:37 am

Alchemist?

I doubt that Alchemist is worth it on a Province-Vault board.

I would have said "Tunnel", but from the description it doesn't seems to be the case...

Qvist · « **Reply #7 on:** March 04, 2013, 09:31:01 am »

Hunting Party?

Galzria · « **Reply #8 on:** March 04, 2013, 09:34:06 am »

Quote from: Qvist on March 04, 2013, 09:31:01 am

Hunting Party?

But why does HP need the Vault? That could actually be pretty bad for it... given that Vault is a Terminal Draw. Reshuffling the deck would be terrible if it causes those HP's to go down.

Plus... not many boards have no Terminal Silver that would've worked better in Vaults place there.

RTT · « **Reply #9 on:** March 04, 2013, 09:35:28 am »

scheme?

dondon151 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 04, 2013, 09:37:41 am »

I'm tempted to say Hoard; your last clue basically limits this to kingdom Treasures...

That said, a lot of engines can beat Vault-Tunnel.

Qvist · « **Reply #11 on:** March 04, 2013, 09:39:59 am »

Quote from: Galzria on March 04, 2013, 09:34:06 am

Quote from: Qvist on March 04, 2013, 09:31:01 am
Hunting Party?

But why does HP need the Vault? That could actually be pretty bad for it... given that Vault is a Terminal Draw. Reshuffling the deck would be terrible if it causes those HP's to go down.

Plus... not many boards have no Terminal Silver that would've worked better in Vaults place there.

I'm not saying that it has to make sense, but this is the card that comes to my mind when he's saying "spamming". Especially as he said he played Vault nearly every turn, HP might help that.

Galzria · « **Reply #12 on:** March 04, 2013, 09:40:23 am »

Quote from: Qvist on March 04, 2013, 09:39:59 am

Quote from: Galzria on March 04, 2013, 09:34:06 am
Quote from: Qvist on March 04, 2013, 09:31:01 am
Hunting Party?

But why does HP need the Vault? That could actually be pretty bad for it... given that Vault is a Terminal Draw. Reshuffling the deck would be terrible if it causes those HP's to go down.

Plus... not many boards have no Terminal Silver that would've worked better in Vaults place there.

I'm not saying that it has to make sense, but this is the card that comes to my mind when he's saying "spamming". Especially as he said he played Vault nearly every turn, HP might help that.

True

SirPeebles · « **Reply #13 on:** March 04, 2013, 09:44:17 am »

Quote from: DStu on March 04, 2013, 09:26:09 am

Quote from: SirPeebles on March 04, 2013, 09:24:37 am
Alchemist?
I doubt that Alchemist is worth it on a Province-Vault board.

I would have said "Tunnel", but from the description it doesn't seems to be the case...

Well, I don't know how great his opponent is. There are certain strategies which tend to be too slow against a skilled player, but which can reach dominance given the time provided by a less skilled adversary.

Galzria · « **Reply #14 on:** March 04, 2013, 09:45:56 am »

I mean...

You could grab Loan to clear out your deck of Coppers... If you've got Necropolis/Squire that's two Villages already... so you likely don't need for your Action card to be non-terminal. At that point you could mix in any number of things.

Governor?

Clean deck out with Loan, Play Governor for Gold, Squire/Necropolis for Action, Vault for (some) draw/discard ($$$), and then another Governor or two to flip the Gold to Province?

But does that beat just straight opening Governor? And Vault isn't really a strong draw there... although it would be easy to both Remodel AND buy a Province each turn.

Asper · « **Reply #15 on:** March 04, 2013, 09:48:22 am »

My opponents were no pros.

About "Spamming"... What i meant is, i did concentrate on those cards. Sorry, i didn't want to imply i played the second card often. But i... used it often.

*Hint Hint*

Also you can guarantee you'll play Vault often simply by having many Vaults.

Actually i did not expect to so clearly beat Tunnels, and a Tunnel would have helped myself. I just never had the time to buy one. Obviously speed was the main difference between my tactic and theirs - i needed setup, but mine was faster.

RTT · « **Reply #16 on:** March 04, 2013, 09:50:23 am »

caravan , remodel, Wharf ?

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But i... used it often. Actually both other cards had benefits besides playing them. *Hint Hint*

so maybe watchtower --> topdecking new vaults and golds

Qvist · « **Reply #17 on:** March 04, 2013, 09:59:07 am »

Ok, so if you say that you didn't play it often, I guess you mean a Reaction card. Then it heavily depends on your opponents and the other cards on the board. With trashing of your opponents I guess that Market Square would be pretty good.

SirPeebles · « **Reply #18 on:** March 04, 2013, 10:02:10 am »

Market Square doesn't trigger from your opponent trashing.

Qvist · « **Reply #19 on:** March 04, 2013, 10:03:08 am »

I meant to say Bishop, sorry.

SirPeebles · « **Reply #20 on:** March 04, 2013, 10:05:13 am »

Rats and Market Square?

Asper · « **Reply #21 on:** March 04, 2013, 10:08:30 am »

Quote from: Qvist on March 04, 2013, 09:59:07 am

Ok, so if you say that you didn't play it often, I guess you mean a Reaction card. Then it heavily depends on your opponents and the other cards on the board. With trashing of your opponents I guess that Market Square would be pretty good.

Nope, i don't mean a Reaction. Maybe i should tell you, before you get exited and expect something extremely powerful and new. But if you want to keep guessing: The board had no discard attacks, so i knew playing Vault would always give me a certain amount of money. Also, i often played more than one, still almost never got 8$, and didn't care.

SirPeebles · « **Reply #22 on:** March 04, 2013, 10:12:09 am »

Duke?

Avalanchian · « **Reply #23 on:** March 04, 2013, 10:12:16 am »

Call me crazy (I prefer Mr. Crazy, but I'm fussy like that) but I'm tempted to say Duke?

Edit: Ninja'd! At least I wasn't the only one to think of that. If I'm thinking along similar lines to Sir Peebles, I feel I'm doing well.

Asper · « **Reply #24 on:** March 04, 2013, 10:13:39 am »

Okay, i'm gonna tell you one of them: Border Village. It helped me fill my deck with itself and Vault, because Vault always hits 6$ with a normal starting hand. It also made it possible to hit 6$ without discarding everything i had in hand..
The other was not Duke, but we are getting closer.

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