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Donald X.

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Sets of 25
« on: February 14, 2013, 02:41:11 am »
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So you pick 25 Dominion cards that you have, and then play with those 25 as if they were a standalone - you play games using a random 10 out of those 25. You pick the 25 with some theme in mind, although if your theme is just "stuff I like" that's fine. Here are some examples.

Interaction Mix

2: Duchess, Embargo, Fool's Gold
3: Forager, Masquerade, Smugglers, Swindler, Trade Route, Watchtower
4: Bishop, Gardens, Noble Brigand, Throne Room, Tournament
5: City, Council Room, Cultist, Embassy, Governor, Graverobber, Jester, Knights, Tribute, Vault
6: Border Village

This one just focuses on player interaction. It's bound to be a pip, so I put it first.

Top o' the Deck Mix

2: Beggar, Courtyard, Herbalist, Vagrant
3: Lookout, Swindler, Watchtower, Wishing Well
4: Armory, Bureaucrat, Ironmonger, Nomad Camp, Scavenger, Scout, Spy, Walled Village, Wandering Minstrel
5: Ghost Ship, Graverobber, Knights, Mandarin, Mystic, Royal Seal, Stash, Treasury

Lots of cards interact with deck tops, and sometimes they naturally work together.

Hand Theme

2: Beggar, Crossroads, Hamlet
3: Hermit, Menagerie, Oasis, Tunnel, Warehouse, Watchtower
4: Fortress, Horse Traders, Remake, Tournament, Young Witch
5: Count, Embassy, Explorer, Horn of Plenty, Inn, Library, Mine, Pillage, Rabble
6: Hunting Grounds
8: Peddler

Cornucopia tried on a hand theme, but abandoned it because it's just invisible. The cards played well together though, so here's the kind of thing you can get with that theme.

Villageless

2: Courtyard, Embargo
3: Loan, Market Square, Wishing Well
4: Militia, Monument, Remodel, Spice Merchant, Spy, Trader
5: Apprentice, Count, Duke, Ill-Gotten Gains, Laboratory, Library, Merchant Ship, Rogue, Royal Seal, Upgrade, Vault, Venture
6: Fairgrounds, Hoard

Do you need a Village for a fun game? This set tries to argue otherwise. There was a lot of room for varying this one, since hey, most cards aren't Villages.

Big Alchemy

P: Vineyard, Transmute, Apothecary, Scrying Pool, University, Alchemist, Familiar, Philosopher's Stone, Golem, Possession
2: Cellar, Herbalist
3: Great Hall
4: Conspirator, Coppersmith, Ironworks, Procession, Wandering Minstrel
5: Apprentice, Haggler, Horn of Plenty, Inn, Jester, Library, Stables

Alchemy was once a large set. What might it look like as one? This isn't trying to look like the original large Alchemy, but rather just to push Alchemy's themes with the additional cards.
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Re: Sets of 25
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2013, 08:50:55 am »
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Hi there, Donald, cool idea and no offense, but as with any variants, I think one should play the game as the game designer intended it to be played.
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Re: Sets of 25
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2013, 09:30:49 am »
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Village Idiots Anonymous

P: University, Golem
2: Native Village, Hamlet, Squire, Crossroads
3: Village, Shanty Town, Fishing Village
4: Throne Room, Mining Village, Worker's Village, Farming Village, Procession, Fortress, Walled Village
5: Festival, Bazaar, City, Inn, Bandit Camp, Wandering Minstrel
6: Nobles, Border Village
7: King's Court

Any Colour you Like

2: Fool's Gold, Moat, Beggar, Haven, Lighthouse
3: Watchtower, Market Square, Tunnel, Fishing Village, Great Hall, Menagerie
4: Trader, Horse Traders, Caravan, Island
5: Wharf, Merchant Ship, Outpost, Tactician, Knights, Horn of Plenty
6: Harem, Nobles, Fairgrounds



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Re: Sets of 25
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2013, 09:40:13 am »
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Cornucopia Plus

The 13 cards in Dominion: Cornucopia plus

3: Smugglers, Develop, Forager
4: Ironworks, Ironmonger, Procession, Marauder
5: Tribute, Knights, Graverobber, Contraband, Haggler
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Re: Sets of 25
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2013, 09:43:20 am »
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Hi there, Donald, cool idea and no offense, but as with any variants, I think one should play the game as the game designer intended it to be played.

You realize he is the game designer right?
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Re: Sets of 25
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2013, 09:51:32 am »
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Copper?
1: Poor House
2: Beggar, Hamlet, Fool's Gold
3: Village, Steward, Swindler, Hermit/Madman, Oracle, Watchtower
4: Wandering Minstrel, Remake, Spice Merchant, Cutpurse, Quarry, Pirate Ship
5: Mountebank, Cache, Counting House, Mint, Stables
6: Hoard, Goons, Grand Market
7: Forge
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Re: Sets of 25
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2013, 10:15:58 am »
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Bloated Box:

P: Vineyard, Familiar
2: Native Village, Embargo, Vagrant
3: Trade Route, Great Hall, Tunnel, Hermit, Urchin, Black Market
4: Island, Feodum, Gardens, Silk Road, Pirate Ship, Marauder, Rats, Tournament, Bishop
5: Duke
6: Nobles, Harem, Farmland, Fairgrounds

All Kingdom VP cards, Extra Rats, Madman, Mercenary, Ruins, Spoils, Potion, Curses, All mats, All tokens including VP tokens, Colonies, Platinums, Shelters and a Black Market Deck. As big a standalone 25 as I can imagine.
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Re: Sets of 25
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2013, 10:25:26 am »
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Hi there, Donald, cool idea and no offense, but as with any variants, I think one should play the game as the game designer intended it to be played.

You realize he is the game designer right?

I am sure this was in jest. Some people don't like variants. Although, this technically isn't a variant at all because you can pick kingdoms any way you'd like. And that makes it even cooler.
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Re: Sets of 25
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2013, 10:33:12 am »
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Silver:

2- beggar, herbalist, squire
3- hermit, fishing village, loan, forager
4- Bureaucrat, feodom, tournament, noble brigand, pirate ship, jack, spice merchant, trader, ironworks
5- Embassy, mine, mint, explorer, trading post, venture, stables, counterfeit
6- Adventurer
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Re: Sets of 25
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2013, 10:52:29 am »
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Festival! Anybody who is anybody is here!

2- squire, duchess, beggar
3- village, ambassador, scheme, urchin
4- tournament, feast, baron, procession, wandering minstrel
5- duke, knights, festival, tribute, horn of plenty, jester, embassy, mandarin, count, rogue
6- fairgrounds, nobels
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Re: Sets of 25
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2013, 11:13:07 am »
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Copper?
1: Poor House
2: Beggar, Hamlet, Fool's Gold
3: Village, Steward, Swindler, Hermit/Madman, Oracle, Watchtower
4: Wandering Minstrel, Remake, Spice Merchant, Cutpurse, Quarry, Pirate Ship
5: Mountebank, Cache, Counting House, Mint, Stables
6: Hoard, Goons, Grand Market
7: Forge

Coppersmith omitted?
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Re: Sets of 25
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2013, 11:17:13 am »
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Festival! Anybody who is anybody is here!

2- squire, duchess, beggar
3- village, ambassador, scheme, urchin
4- tournament, feast, baron, procession, wandering minstrel
5- duke, knights, festival, tribute, horn of plenty, jester, embassy, mandarin, count, rogue
6- fairgrounds, nobels

The Bishop and the Margrave aren't there! And some nice locations for this party could include Gardens and Monument. Maybe Menagerie.
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Re: Sets of 25
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2013, 11:33:05 am »
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Hi there, Donald, cool idea and no offense, but as with any variants, I think one should play the game as the game designer intended it to be played.

You realize he is the game designer right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xECUrlnXCqk
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Re: Sets of 25
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2013, 12:35:17 pm »
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Copper?
1: Poor House
2: Beggar, Hamlet, Fool's Gold
3: Village, Steward, Swindler, Hermit/Madman, Oracle, Watchtower
4: Wandering Minstrel, Remake, Spice Merchant, Cutpurse, Quarry, Pirate Ship
5: Mountebank, Cache, Counting House, Mint, Stables
6: Hoard, Goons, Grand Market
7: Forge

Coppersmith omitted?
I thought about it a few minutes later. Feel free to insert Coppersmith in place of Hermit/Madman.
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Re: Sets of 25
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2013, 02:18:05 pm »
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Women

P : Scrying pool
2 : Duchess, Herbalist, Courtyard
3 : Fortune teller, Market Square, Oracle, Wishing well
4 : Young witch, Sea Hag, Trader, Farming village, Tournament
5 : Witch, Explorer, Harvest, Knights, Highway, Horn of plenty, Mystic
6 : Harem, Fairgrounds, Border village
7 : Forge
8* : Peddler
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Re: Sets of 25
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2013, 04:00:30 pm »
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Women

P : Scrying pool
2 : Duchess, Herbalist
3 : Fortune teller, Market Square, Oracle, Wishing well
4 : Young witch, Sea Hag, Trader, Farming village
5 : Witch, Explorer, Harvest, Knights, Highway, Cache, Horn of plenty
6 : Harem, Fairgrounds, Altar, Border village, Farmland
7 : Forge
8* : Peddler
Mystic and Tournament (for Princess) could fit as well.
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Re: Sets of 25
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2013, 07:24:16 pm »
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Festival! Anybody who is anybody is here!

2- squire, duchess, beggar
3- village, ambassador, scheme, urchin
4- tournament, feast, baron, procession, wandering minstrel
5- duke, knights, festival, tribute, horn of plenty, jester, embassy, mandarin, counIt, rogue
6- fairgrounds, nobels

The Bishop and the Margrave aren't there! And some nice locations for this party could include Gardens and Monument. Maybe Menagerie.

Thought about them both. Margrave is like a commander of the guard, so I didn't think he fit with the festival. Bishop was better, but not as noble-like as I was going for. (Steward is also not there)

I had locations too. Monument got cut. As did Courtyard.

The other option is to turn it away from the tournament-festival and more into a market-festival: add market, grand market, peddler, trader, trading post, etc.

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Re: Sets of 25
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2013, 07:46:24 pm »
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Festival! Anybody who is anybody is here!

2- squire, duchess, beggar
3- village, ambassador, scheme, urchin
4- tournament, feast, baron, procession, wandering minstrel
5- duke, knights, festival, tribute, horn of plenty, jester, embassy, mandarin, counIt, rogue
6- fairgrounds, nobels

The Bishop and the Margrave aren't there! And some nice locations for this party could include Gardens and Monument. Maybe Menagerie.

Thought about them both. Margrave is like a commander of the guard, so I didn't think he fit with the festival. Bishop was better, but not as noble-like as I was going for. (Steward is also not there)

I had locations too. Monument got cut. As did Courtyard.

The other option is to turn it away from the tournament-festival and more into a market-festival: add market, grand market, peddler, trader, trading post, etc.

Ed

But Urchin and Rogue fit?  Aren't they criminals?  Beggar is alright. :P
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Re: Sets of 25
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2013, 08:19:31 pm »
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Rats!

P: Vineyard, Scrying Pool, Familiar
2: Squire
3: Forager, Watchtower, Develop, Masquerade, Ambassador, Hermit
4: Rats,Death Cart, Salvager, Trader, Fortress, Bishop, Feodum, Jack of All Trades, Ironmonger
5: Upgrade, Junk Dealer, Apprentice, Graverobber, Cultist, Governor

EDIT:

Some unintentional combos I noticed:
*Trader/Squire/Jack of All Trades + Feodum
*Bishop/Fortress, Apprentice/Fortress
*Watchtower+Squire/Feodum
It's a very combo heavy set overall.
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Re: Sets of 25
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2013, 08:40:53 pm »
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Green Machine

P: Vineyards
1: Poor House
2: Beggar, Crossroads, Squire
3: Great Hall, Trade Route, Tunnel, Vagrant
4: Baron, Bureaucrat, Ironworks, Island, Scout, Silk Road, Throne Room
4P: Golem
5: Catacombs, Jester, Rebuild, Vault
6: Farmland, Harem, Hoard, Nobles

If Poor House or Throne Room isn't to your liking, swap one of them for an Ironmonger or maybe a Tribute.
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Re: Sets of 25
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2013, 09:00:28 pm »
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Is there a list of known combos out there? There may be a way to mathematically find the set of 25 with the most potential combos/interactions.
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Re: Sets of 25
« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2013, 10:53:14 pm »
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Combo 25

$2 - Native Village , Herbalist , Chapel
$3 - Masquerade , Ambassador , Workshop , Black Market , Scheme
$4 - Bridge , Bishop , Ironworks , Silk Roads , Gardens , Scavenger , Horse Traders
$5 - Tactician , Stash , Duke , Counting House
$6 - Goons , Fairgrounds
$7 - King's Court
$3P - Philosopher's Stone
$4P - Golem
$6P - Possession
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Re: Sets of 25
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2013, 02:31:24 am »
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Pins in the Haystack

P: Golem
$2: Native Village, Hamlet, Chapel
$3: Masquerade, Urchin, Fishing Village, Watchtower, Scheme, Forager
$4: Militia, Throne Room, Procession, Monument, Island, Quarry, Cutpurse, Bureaucrat
$5: Margrave, Ghost Ship, Knights, Outpost, Minion, Rabble
$6: Goons
$7: King's Court
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Re: Sets of 25
« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2013, 03:19:22 pm »
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Festival! Anybody who is anybody is here!

2- squire, duchess, beggar
3- village, ambassador, scheme, urchin
4- tournament, feast, baron, procession, wandering minstrel
5- duke, knights, festival, tribute, horn of plenty, jester, embassy, mandarin, counIt, rogue
6- fairgrounds, nobels

The Bishop and the Margrave aren't there! And some nice locations for this party could include Gardens and Monument. Maybe Menagerie.

Thought about them both. Margrave is like a commander of the guard, so I didn't think he fit with the festival. Bishop was better, but not as noble-like as I was going for. (Steward is also not there)

I had locations too. Monument got cut. As did Courtyard.

The other option is to turn it away from the tournament-festival and more into a market-festival: add market, grand market, peddler, trader, trading post, etc.

Ed

But Urchin and Rogue fit?  Aren't they criminals?  Beggar is alright. :P

Urchin is one of the poor kids hanging around the festival/tournament.
Rogue is a knight without a master. Likely competing in the tournament.
(kind of like a Ronin to a Samurai?)

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Re: Sets of 25
« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2013, 03:31:28 pm »
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Festival! Anybody who is anybody is here!

2- squire, duchess, beggar
3- village, ambassador, scheme, urchin
4- tournament, feast, baron, procession, wandering minstrel
5- duke, knights, festival, tribute, horn of plenty, jester, embassy, mandarin, counIt, rogue
6- fairgrounds, nobels

The Bishop and the Margrave aren't there! And some nice locations for this party could include Gardens and Monument. Maybe Menagerie.

Thought about them both. Margrave is like a commander of the guard, so I didn't think he fit with the festival. Bishop was better, but not as noble-like as I was going for. (Steward is also not there)

I had locations too. Monument got cut. As did Courtyard.

The other option is to turn it away from the tournament-festival and more into a market-festival: add market, grand market, peddler, trader, trading post, etc.

Ed

But Urchin and Rogue fit?  Aren't they criminals?  Beggar is alright. :P

Urchin is one of the poor kids hanging around the festival/tournament.
Rogue is a knight without a master. Likely competing in the tournament.
(kind of like a Ronin to a Samurai?)

Ed

That's not the definition of Rogue that I know.  I can buy that Urchin fits though.
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