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[Graystripe77]

Rules

1) 4 turn limit.
2) Solo game
3) Perfect shuffle luck

Hardmode: No Colony/Platinum

Try to get the most points you can with one buy. I got 11 in Hardmode.

[Powerman]

I'm really confused here, and am not sure why it isn't 6

With only 1 buy, are you really going to be able to do better than buy a Duchy?

Otherwise, you could open IW (or Wksp, Armory)/- and gain a tunnel, but that's not better.

Count can gain a Duchy, but that isn't better.

[Ozle]

Maybe 1 buy per turn?
Think we covered that before though in 'turn x colony'

[Drab Emordnilap]

I'm really confused here, and am not sure why it isn't 6

With only 1 buy, are you really going to be able to do better than buy a Duchy?

Otherwise, you could open IW (or Wksp, Armory)/- and gain a tunnel, but that's not better.

Count can gain a Duchy, but that isn't better.

If I have 10 Goons in play and buy a Colony, I got 20 points in one buy. Not that that's going to be the correct answer.

[GendoIkari]

I'm really confused here, and am not sure why it isn't 6

With only 1 buy, are you really going to be able to do better than buy a Duchy?

Otherwise, you could open IW (or Wksp, Armory)/- and gain a tunnel, but that's not better.

Count can gain a Duchy, but that isn't better.

The way I read it, he's talking about what's the most points that 1 buy can earn you... not that you can only buy 1 thing the whole game. So you build up your deck however you want for 4 turns, but by the end of that 4th turn you want to have made a single buy that adds a lot of points to your deck.

[Powerman]

I'm really confused here, and am not sure why it isn't 6

With only 1 buy, are you really going to be able to do better than buy a Duchy?

Otherwise, you could open IW (or Wksp, Armory)/- and gain a tunnel, but that's not better.

Count can gain a Duchy, but that isn't better.

If I have 10 Goons in play and buy a Colony, I got 20 points in one buy. Not that that's going to be the correct answer.

I'd like to see you gain 10 Goons without buying anything the whole game.

[Ozle]

Within 4 turns.....

I like how this puzzle is to work out the actual puzzle!

[heron]

Alright, I think I understand it and don't really see where the confusion is coming from.
You have four turns. How many points can you gain solely from your last buy?
Ex: Silver/Coppersmith/Silver/Province. You got 6 Points, hard mode.

[Morgrim7]

I'm really confused here, and am not sure why it isn't 6

With only 1 buy, are you really going to be able to do better than buy a Duchy?

Otherwise, you could open IW (or Wksp, Armory)/- and gain a tunnel, but that's not better.

Count can gain a Duchy, but that isn't better.

If I have 10 Goons in play and buy a Colony, I got 20 points in one buy. Not that that's going to be the correct answer.

I'd like to see you gain 10 Goons without buying anything the whole game.

If you cant buy anything for the whole game in a solo challenge, your deck will remain the same until you do.

[eHalcyon]

I'm really confused here, and am not sure why it isn't 6

With only 1 buy, are you really going to be able to do better than buy a Duchy?

Otherwise, you could open IW (or Wksp, Armory)/- and gain a tunnel, but that's not better.

Count can gain a Duchy, but that isn't better.

If I have 10 Goons in play and buy a Colony, I got 20 points in one buy. Not that that's going to be the correct answer.

I'd like to see you gain 10 Goons without buying anything the whole game.

If you cant buy anything for the whole game in a solo challenge, your deck will remain the same until you do.

False.  Buy a gainer.  Play gainer.

[Powerman]

I'm really confused here, and am not sure why it isn't 6

With only 1 buy, are you really going to be able to do better than buy a Duchy?

Otherwise, you could open IW (or Wksp, Armory)/- and gain a tunnel, but that's not better.

Count can gain a Duchy, but that isn't better.

If I have 10 Goons in play and buy a Colony, I got 20 points in one buy. Not that that's going to be the correct answer.

I'd like to see you gain 10 Goons without buying anything the whole game.

If you cant buy anything for the whole game in a solo challenge, your deck will remain the same until you do.

False.  Buy a gainer.  Play gainer.

But then you'd be unable to buy the colony at the end.

I hope I'm misunderstanding the challenge, but if you can only buy 1 card, it's either a gainer or a duchy.  So, hopefully some clarification!

[Morgrim7]

I'm really confused here, and am not sure why it isn't 6

With only 1 buy, are you really going to be able to do better than buy a Duchy?

Otherwise, you could open IW (or Wksp, Armory)/- and gain a tunnel, but that's not better.

Count can gain a Duchy, but that isn't better.

If I have 10 Goons in play and buy a Colony, I got 20 points in one buy. Not that that's going to be the correct answer.

I'd like to see you gain 10 Goons without buying anything the whole game.

If you cant buy anything for the whole game in a solo challenge, your deck will remain the same until you do.

False.  Buy a gainer.  Play gainer.

But then you'd be unable to buy the colony at the end.

I hope I'm misunderstanding the challenge, but if you can only buy 1 card, it's either a gainer or a duchy.  So, hopefully some clarification!

And even if a gainer is the answer, you don't get any VP immediately  for buying it.

[eHalcyon]

I'm really confused here, and am not sure why it isn't 6

With only 1 buy, are you really going to be able to do better than buy a Duchy?

Otherwise, you could open IW (or Wksp, Armory)/- and gain a tunnel, but that's not better.

Count can gain a Duchy, but that isn't better.

If I have 10 Goons in play and buy a Colony, I got 20 points in one buy. Not that that's going to be the correct answer.

I'd like to see you gain 10 Goons without buying anything the whole game.

If you cant buy anything for the whole game in a solo challenge, your deck will remain the same until you do.

False.  Buy a gainer.  Play gainer.

But then you'd be unable to buy the colony at the end.

I hope I'm misunderstanding the challenge, but if you can only buy 1 card, it's either a gainer or a duchy.  So, hopefully some clarification!

And even if a gainer is the answer, you don't get any VP immediately  for buying it.

The way I read it was:

-4 turns
- only 1 buy within 4 turns
- maximimum points within 4 turns

So you could, for example, buy an IW and play it once to gain an Island, thus getting 2VP within 4 turns... not that that's impressive.

[Morgrim7]

I'm really confused here, and am not sure why it isn't 6

With only 1 buy, are you really going to be able to do better than buy a Duchy?

Otherwise, you could open IW (or Wksp, Armory)/- and gain a tunnel, but that's not better.

Count can gain a Duchy, but that isn't better.

If I have 10 Goons in play and buy a Colony, I got 20 points in one buy. Not that that's going to be the correct answer.

I'd like to see you gain 10 Goons without buying anything the whole game.

If you cant buy anything for the whole game in a solo challenge, your deck will remain the same until you do.

False.  Buy a gainer.  Play gainer.

But then you'd be unable to buy the colony at the end.

I hope I'm misunderstanding the challenge, but if you can only buy 1 card, it's either a gainer or a duchy.  So, hopefully some clarification!

And even if a gainer is the answer, you don't get any VP immediately  for buying it.

The way I read it was:

-4 turns
- only 1 buy within 4 turns
- maximimum points within 4 turns

So you could, for example, buy an IW and play it once to gain an Island, thus getting 2VP within 4 turns... not that that's impressive.

That worse than flat out Duchy. This challenge is impossible, or I'm reading it wrong.

[heron]

Oh...eHalcyon's interpretation makes sense too. eHalcyon always comes up with something better than me, so I'll agree with him.
So...I don't see how you can beat the duchy solution.

I can't beat a measly six points with my interpretation though.

Edit: 7 with my interpretation actually:

Open Library/Hamlet
Play Hamlet, discard two estates, play library, draw 5 coppers, buy IW/Watchtower
Draw: Estate/Hamlet/IW/WT/Library
Play IW, gain/trash squire, put goons on deck. Play hamlet, discard estate for action. Play goons. Play library, drawing 6 coppers. Buy province.

Could be improved, maybe you could just skip Library since WT is already there.

[Morgrim7]

Oh...eHalcyon's interpretation makes sense too. eHalcyon always comes up with something better than me, so I'll agree with him.
So...I don't see how you can beat the duchy solution.

I can't beat a measly six points with my interpretation though.

How could you even get 6? Count can get you Max one Duchy in 4 turns.

[heron]

My interpretation is that you can do whatever on your turns, but your score is however many points you earned on the last buy of your fourth turn.

[Morgrim7]

My interpretation is that you can do whatever on your turns, but your score is however many points you earned on the last buy of your fourth turn.

hmmmm…I'm sure CC can come up with a way to buy out al the VP cards in 4 turns.

[florrat]

With the interpretation of heron I can get to 15 (hard mode). The first part is thanks to Jimmmmm, see here.


Use shelters. Kingdom must contain squire, watchtower, remake, cultist, haggler, border village

Open Watchtower (WT)/Remake

Turn 3:
Draw Necropolis, Remake, Hovel, Overgrown Estate, Watchtower.
Play Necropolis
Play Remake...
....Trash Overgrown Estate, draw copper, gain Squire, reveal WT, trash Squire, gain Cultist
....Trash Hovel, gain Squire, reveal WT, trash Squire, gain Cultist
Play Watchtower, draw 5 copper
Play 6 copper, buy border village (BV), gain haggler.

Turn 4:
Draw copper - (reshuffle) - remake, cultist, cultist, BV
play BV, draw watchtower
play remake...
...Trash cultist, draw copper;copper;haggler, gain BV, reveal WT, topdeck BV, gain haggler, reveal WT, topdeck haggler
...Trash cultist, draw haggler;BV;necropolis, gain BV, reveal WT, topdeck BV, gain haggler, reveal WT, topdeck haggler
play BV, draw haggler
play necropolis
play haggler
play watchtower [currently in hand: haggler, haggler, copper, copper, copper], draw BV
play BV, draw copper
play haggler
play haggler
play 4 coppers
buy province, gain BV (3x, using haggler), gain duchy (3x, using BV)

Probably it can be improved at least a little bit to also reach colony (for 19 points in non-hard mode), and I can even imagine getting another haggler (or goons) for even higher score.

[Ozle]

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=3225.0

I submit all of these as my answer!

One of them must fit the criteria!

[Qvist]

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=3225.0

I submit all of these as my answer!

One of them must fit the criteria!

The last soultion has 10 Goons in play and buys a Colony, so that's 20 points.

Some rules clarification:

When I buy a Gardens in turn 3 and a Colony in turn 4 which is my 20th card, is the Colony worth 10 or 11?
If 11: If I have multiple buys in turn 4 and have bought a Gardens in my deck, can I first buy a Copper as my 19th card and then a Colony as my 20th card?

[Ozle]

It says as many points as you can, not the highest value card. So I think both are valid

[GendoIkari]

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=3225.0

I submit all of these as my answer!

One of them must fit the criteria!

The last soultion has 10 Goons in play and buys a Colony, so that's 20 points.

Some rules clarification:

When I buy a Gardens in turn 3 and a Colony in turn 4 which is my 20th card, is the Colony worth 10 or 11?
If 11: If I have multiple buys in turn 4 and have bought a Gardens in my deck, can I first buy a Copper as my 19th card and then a Colony as my 20th card?

11, and yes. I don't get all the confusion about the puzzle... we've had almost the same puzzle before, the only difference is that here you are limited to 4 turns. The question is simply, "what is the most number of points that a single buy can increase your total VP by?" So if you have 8 Gardens and 8 Fairgrounds, and you buy a Colony which is your 10th unique card and your 30th card overall, then that buy was worth 10 + 8 + 16 = 34.

Without the turn limitation, the answer is huge, because you can buy a Colony with 8 Hagglers in play, then gain a Border Village, thus gaining 8 Gardens which could each be worth over 20 points.

[Graystripe77]

Alright, I think I understand it and don't really see where the confusion is coming from.
You have four turns. How many points can you gain solely from your last buy?
Ex: Silver/Coppersmith/Silver/Province. You got 6 Points, hard mode.

Exactly

[Graystripe77]

With the interpretation of heron I can get to 15 (hard mode). The first part is thanks to Jimmmmm, see here.


Use shelters. Kingdom must contain squire, watchtower, remake, cultist, haggler, border village

Open Watchtower (WT)/Remake

Turn 3:
Draw Necropolis, Remake, Hovel, Overgrown Estate, Watchtower.
Play Necropolis
Play Remake...
....Trash Overgrown Estate, draw copper, gain Squire, reveal WT, trash Squire, gain Cultist
....Trash Hovel, gain Squire, reveal WT, trash Squire, gain Cultist
Play Watchtower, draw 5 copper
Play 6 copper, buy border village (BV), gain haggler.

Turn 4:
Draw copper - (reshuffle) - remake, cultist, cultist, BV
play BV, draw watchtower
play remake...
...Trash cultist, draw copper;copper;haggler, gain BV, reveal WT, topdeck BV, gain haggler, reveal WT, topdeck haggler
...Trash cultist, draw haggler;BV;necropolis, gain BV, reveal WT, topdeck BV, gain haggler, reveal WT, topdeck haggler
play BV, draw haggler
play necropolis
play haggler
play watchtower [currently in hand: haggler, haggler, copper, copper, copper], draw BV
play BV, draw copper
play haggler
play haggler
play 4 coppers
buy province, gain BV (3x, using haggler), gain duchy (3x, using BV)

Probably it can be improved at least a little bit to also reach colony (for 19 points in non-hard mode), and I can even imagine getting another haggler (or goons) for even higher score.

Someone always comes up with something more elaborate than I can think of. My hard-mode was:

Open Chancellor/Silver
Play Chancellor, discarding deck. Buy Hunting Grounds
Play Chancellor, buy Farmland, trashing Hunting Grounds.
Farmland(2)+Province(6)+Duchy(3)=11