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What's Missing puzzle
« on: January 18, 2013, 01:17:45 pm »
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Moneylender
Mine
Mint
Spice Merchant
Stables

One card is missing.

The pattern is not cards that require revealing a treasure, because there is no sixth such card.

The following cards are close to being included, but can't be for one particular reason:

Throne Room
Shanty Town
King's Court
Crossroads
Ruined Village

Ruined Market also can't be included, but for a different reason than the above.
Abandoned Mine also can't be included, for yet a different reason.
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Re: What's Missing puzzle
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2013, 03:52:25 pm »
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Smugglers ?
Counting House?
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Re: What's Missing puzzle
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2013, 07:33:06 am »
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The pattern is not cards that require revealing a treasure, because there is no sixth such card.
But there is. Counterfeit, though that obviously isn't the solution you're looking for.
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Re: What's Missing puzzle
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2013, 07:40:54 am »
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Well they all depend greatly on what else is in your hand, except for the Ruins, they kind of throw me. Otherwise I'd hazard a guess at something like Baron or Treasure Map. Probably way off though.
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Re: What's Missing puzzle
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2013, 10:06:45 am »
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The theme seems to be cards that can be played for no effect. I'll guess band of misfits.
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Re: What's Missing puzzle
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2013, 06:29:55 pm »
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The theme seems to be cards that can be played for no effect. I'll guess band of misfits.

But that equally gives us Baron if there are no Estates left.
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Re: What's Missing puzzle
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2013, 08:14:50 pm »
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The theme seems to be cards that can be played for no effect. I'll guess band of misfits.

But that equally gives us Baron if there are no Estates left.

Baron with no Estates left will still give you +Buy.
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Re: What's Missing puzzle
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2013, 09:39:01 pm »
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The theme seems to be cards that can be played for no effect. I'll guess band of misfits.

But that equally gives us Baron if there are no Estates left.

Baron with no Estates left will still give you +Buy.

True that.
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Re: What's Missing puzzle
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2013, 09:56:10 pm »
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Outpost
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Re: What's Missing puzzle
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2013, 10:52:47 pm »
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I like Powerman's answer.
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Re: What's Missing puzzle
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2013, 09:35:39 am »
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death cart
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Re: What's Missing puzzle
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2013, 02:17:35 pm »
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Outpost

If we're going with Cards that might have no effect when played then that won't work. It will always make you draw only 3 cards in cleanup phase.
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Re: What's Missing puzzle
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2013, 02:17:47 pm »
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death cart
That still gives +$5 coins
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Re: What's Missing puzzle
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2013, 02:21:30 pm »
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The theme seems to be cards that can be played for no effect. I'll guess band of misfits.

This actually would leave a lot of cards that would fit:


Workshop, Ironworks, Armory; if all cards costing $4 or less are gone. Also Smithy/Moat/Etc when you've drawn your deck already. Sea Hag if Curses are gone and your opponent has his entire deck in hand (Golden Deck or you played lots of Governors for draw first).

Also, Throne Room and King's Court would fit.
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Re: What's Missing puzzle
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2013, 07:44:36 pm »
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Outpost

If we're going with Cards that might have no effect when played then that won't work. It will always make you draw only 3 cards in cleanup phase.

Not if you're already only drawing 3.
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Re: What's Missing puzzle
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2013, 08:56:52 am »
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Outpost

If we're going with Cards that might have no effect when played then that won't work. It will always make you draw only 3 cards in cleanup phase.

Not if you're already only drawing 3.

True enough. But man, that's a messed up deck.
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Re: What's Missing puzzle
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2013, 10:55:11 am »
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Everyone is pretty close, but no one has guessed the correct card or the theme quite yet.

And counterfeit I suppose does require revealing a treasure but it doesn't even come close to qualifying for this list.

A couple hints:
Note that every card on each list is an action card and not a treasure or victory card.

Being able to be played for no effect is close, but not quite sufficient.


A stronger hint:

The theme does not depend on what is in the supply or what piles may or may not have run out yet. If the estate pile were out, Baron would be in the same category as Ruined Market in this case, but still not sufficient to be in the main list.
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Re: What's Missing puzzle
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2013, 10:57:07 am »
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I think I've got it now.
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Re: What's Missing puzzle
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2013, 11:02:27 am »
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I think I've got it now.
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No, The theme is also independent of the composition of your deck.
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Re: What's Missing puzzle
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2013, 12:01:45 pm »
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Coppersmith

All six cards reduce your hand size.  However, if you have no treasure in hand and no remaining actions, none of them give any other benefit.

The second set of cards listed can reduce hand size with no benefit, but under conditions that have nothing to do with treasure: KC and TR provide no benefit if you have no other actions; Shanty Town provides no benefit if you have exactly one terminal non-draw in hand (really borderline?); Crossroads provides no benefit if you have only Treasure in hand; Ruined Village provides no benefit but it doesn't matter what's in your hand.

All of that said, though, I don't know how Ruined Market and Abandoned Mine would fit, because each provides a (small) benefit.
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Re: What's Missing puzzle
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2013, 02:14:00 am »
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Mercenary?
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Re: What's Missing puzzle
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2013, 12:00:51 pm »
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Chapel?
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Re: What's Missing puzzle
« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2013, 01:31:31 pm »
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Coppersmith

All six cards reduce your hand size.  However, if you have no treasure in hand and no remaining actions, none of them give any other benefit.

The second set of cards listed can reduce hand size with no benefit, but under conditions that have nothing to do with treasure: KC and TR provide no benefit if you have no other actions; Shanty Town provides no benefit if you have exactly one terminal non-draw in hand (really borderline?); Crossroads provides no benefit if you have only Treasure in hand; Ruined Village provides no benefit but it doesn't matter what's in your hand.

All of that said, though, I don't know how Ruined Market and Abandoned Mine would fit, because each provides a (small) benefit.

This is close enough:

Coppersmith is the correct answer.

The main consideration for all the groupings is, what effect would you be able to have on your turn if your hand consisted of exactly 5 copies of this card, and had no durations in effect from the previous turn? And this was specifically restricted to Action cards, because I came up with this by thinking of, if you possessed your opponent and played 5 schemes, what 5 cards would you want to leave in his hand?

So 5 copies of all the core cards, including coppersmith, means that the only thing that you could do is play one of them for no effect, buy a copper or a curse, and then cleanup.

The second set of cards is the set that provides at least +1 action, so you can play all five copies of these cards for no effect, and then buy Peddler if Peddler is present in the kingdom. (Note that cards like Scout do not fit this group because Scout DOES provide an additional effect other than its +1 action, even if that effect is typically not very useful.)

Ruined Market is in a set on its own because you can buy TWO coppers, or curses, or a copper and a curse.

And Ruined Mine is in a set on its own because you can use it to buy Poor House, if Poor House is in the kingdom.
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Re: What's Missing puzzle
« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2013, 07:53:21 pm »
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5 Shanty Towns let you draw 2 cards though.

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Re: What's Missing puzzle
« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2013, 08:54:00 pm »
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What about Chapel?
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Re: What's Missing puzzle
« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2013, 09:12:30 pm »
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Band of Misfits with lots of expensive cards for honorable mention, outpost, possession for semantics.
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Re: What's Missing puzzle
« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2013, 01:18:28 am »
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Herbalist should be put in the same category as ruined market/mine.
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Re: What's Missing puzzle
« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2013, 10:17:35 am »
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Herbalist should be put in the same category as ruined market/mine.

I thought about that. It's pretty similar, but really the same as getting to play BOTH those cards... so it's own category, I think.
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Re: What's Missing puzzle
« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2013, 02:57:47 pm »
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What about Chapel?

You can trash four of the chapels. So you can still change game state more than just gaining a copper or silver.

Band of Misfits with lots of expensive cards for honorable mention, outpost, possession for semantics.

Smugglers and Counting House are both also honorable mention as then can be useless in certain scenarios. But won't outpost and possession always be able to do stuff if you draw a hand of five cards?
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Re: What's Missing puzzle
« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2013, 05:02:57 pm »
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Outpost and Possession won't let you do anything besides buy copper/curse on that turn.
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Re: What's Missing puzzle
« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2013, 05:34:20 pm »
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What about Chapel?

You can trash four of the chapels. So you can still change game state more than just gaining a copper or silver.

But on a Possession turn, they just get returned anyway.  So the game state hasn't changed.
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Re: What's Missing puzzle
« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2013, 05:37:28 pm »
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What about Chapel?

You can trash four of the chapels. So you can still change game state more than just gaining a copper or silver.

But on a Possession turn, they just get returned anyway.  So the game state hasn't changed.
In that case they can still miss the reshuffle
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