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[michaeljb]

So I didn't see the original language used, but +1 to rrenaud for replacing whatever it was with "friendly kittens".

[ARTjoMS]

23:34 RomaNorgy: i can't believe i haven't gotten a single quary+buy
23:34 ARTjoMS: worse bad beats have happened to me
23:34 RomaNorgy: fuck you
23:35 RomaNorgy: you've gotten perfect shuffles all game and all you can say is that you've had worse
23:36 RomaNorgy: and you're taking forever, too
23:36 ARTjoMS: not my fault you let me buy hunting parties
23:36 RomaNorgy: should have told me to veto them
23:36 RomaNorgy: not my fault i'm still fairly new to this game
23:37 RomaNorgy: at least I don't have to live with myself being an asshole
23:42 RomaNorgy: enjoy your luck
23:42 RomaNorgy has returned to the lobby.

even i very rarely use THAT word.

[Deadlock39]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-justification

[michaeljb]

23:36 RomaNorgy: not my fault i'm still fairly new to this game

Wait, what?

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50.557 ± 6.745 19 2712 RomaNorgy ▲ 1
Anyway...this.

[Fabian]

Think they were probably just trying to out-troll each other michael.

[michaeljb]

I guess so. I need to stop looking at this thread.

[O]

I'd like to repeat my last post, and add a formal request for a lock...

[Morgrim7]

I'd like to repeat my last post, and add a formal request for a lock...

I agree. Theory? RR?

[ftl]

even i very rarely use THAT word.

And yet overall, in the quotes from you that people post here, you sound very similar in tone and in content to that person you're criticizing. Maybe you don't care, but that  IS how you come across.

[Kirian]

I'd like to repeat my last post, and add a formal request for a lock...

I agree. Theory? RR?

Personally, I'd ask fr a split, and lock of the new thread.  I think the main topic is worthy of being continued.

[Ozle]

So I didn't see the original language used, but +1 to rrenaud for replacing whatever it was with "friendly kittens".

He didn't change the words, just corrected the spelling of Friendly, turns out rrenaud is a grammar nazi....

[ARTjoMS]

even i very rarely use THAT word.

And yet overall, in the quotes from you that people post here, you sound very similar in tone and in content to that person you're criticizing. Maybe you don't care, but that  IS how you come across.

Yes. Yes. Yes. But there is a difference.

I don't care about language that he used, but that he was wrong... i outplayed him so badly (2nd game in a row) and it had nothing to do with luck.

When i am sounding like this i usually (not always - sometimes i do just because something else has got me mad) am sure that i took 50%+ line. And the problem starts when my dumb opponent doesn't realize that he got lucky and fights back.

Here are 2 games i played yesterday vs. -Stef- who yesterday got +3 levels 18-4-1 and is now level 45. 18-4! How does he do it?

http://councilroom.com/game?game_id=game-20120428-084327-7dd10ae4.html
Really boring deck: it is basically BM+tribute(s). He opens chancellor silver vs. my silver silver - he basically hit jackpot and it was no chancer for me.  (I think he got turn 3 gold+reshuffle and then his tribute went for +4 some times when i got only +2 or sth.. doesn't really matter). In the end, although, he realizes that there was huge luck involved he remarks that his strategy was better. That is what gets me mad and people with whom i get rude.

http://councilroom.com/game?game_id=game-20120428-091351-f5ac36d6.html

He opens steward -steward!!! i open steward-silver. I trash 2 estates in 3rd turn and he remarks that i can't complain about luck this time.

Guess what were his first 9 moves?

   --- -Stef-'s turn 3 ---
   -Stef- plays a Steward.
   ... trashing an Estate and a Copper.
   -Stef- plays 2 Coppers.
   -Stef- buys a Pawn.

   --- -Stef-'s turn 4 ---
   -Stef- plays a Steward.
   ... trashing 2 Estates.
   -Stef- plays 2 Coppers.
   -Stef- buys a Pawn.
   (-Stef- reshuffles.)
 
 --- -Stef-'s turn 5 ---
   -Stef- plays a Steward.
   ... getting +$2.
   -Stef- plays 4 Coppers.
   -Stef- buys a Gold.

   --- -Stef-'s turn 6 ---
   -Stef- plays a Pawn.
   ... (-Stef- reshuffles.)
   ... drawing 1 card and getting +1 action.
   -Stef- plays a Pawn.
   ... drawing 1 card and getting +1 action.
   -Stef- plays a Steward.
   ... trashing 2 Coppers.

   --- -Stef-'s turn 7 ---
-Stef- plays a Steward.
   ... trashing 2 Coppers.
   -Stef- plays a Gold and a Copper.
   -Stef- buys a Walled Village.

   --- -Stef-'s turn 8 ---
   -Stef- plays a Pawn.
   ... getting +1 action and +$1.
   -Stef- plays a Pawn.
   ... getting +1 action and +$1.
   -Stef- plays a Steward.
   ... getting +$2.
   -Stef- buys a Walled Village.

   --- -Stef-'s turn 9 ---
   -Stef- plays a Walled Village.
   ... drawing 1 card and getting +2 actions.
   -Stef- plays a Steward.
   ... drawing 2 cards.
   -Stef- plays a Walled Village.
   ... drawing 1 card and getting +2 actions.
   -Stef- plays a Pawn.
   ... (-Stef- reshuffles.)
   ... drawing 1 card and getting +1 action.
   -Stef- plays a Pawn.
   ... drawing 1 card and getting +1 action.
   -Stef- plays a Steward.
   ... getting +$2.
   -Stef- plays a Gold and 2 Coppers.
   -Stef- buys a Goons.

If he did fight back then I'm sure many of you do it also thinking that you have outplayed me. BTW i think his pawn buys were a mistake not even mentioning his steward-steward.

[WanderingWinder]

Can we pleeeeeeeeeeeease get a downvote button?

[Morgrim7]

Can we pleeeeeeeeeeeease get a downvote button?

+1. That would be useful. 

[O]

Can we pleeeeeeeeeeeease get a downvote button?

+1. That would be useful. 

Minus one.
>New player comes in and posts how BM is the only viable option
>gets 20 downvotes
>leaves forums

[WanderingWinder]

Can we pleeeeeeeeeeeease get a downvote button?

+1. That would be useful. 

Minus one.
>New player comes in and posts how BM is the only viable option
>gets 20 downvotes
>leaves forums

I have no reason to believe that this will happen. Why do you think people will downvote that?

[O]

Can we pleeeeeeeeeeeease get a downvote button?

+1. That would be useful. 

Minus one.
>New player comes in and posts how BM is the only viable option
>gets 20 downvotes
>leaves forums

I have no reason to believe that this will happen. Why do you think people will downvote that?

Because there's a large collective sigh whenever the post is made, followed by 40 posts of discussion that had been made before in the previous thread 

[ftl]

Yes. Yes. Yes. But there is a difference.

I don't care about language that he used, but that he was wrong... i outplayed him so badly (2nd game in a row) and it had nothing to do with luck.

When i am sounding like this i usually (not always - sometimes i do just because something else has got me mad) am sure that i took 50%+ line. And the problem starts when my dumb opponent doesn't realize that he got lucky and fights back.

And this isn't about who is better or who played right or wrong. It's irrelevant. Civility doesn't only matter when you both agree on strategy.

Everyone can be gracious when they're winning and the game goes exactly as they expect. There' nothing unusual about that. It's precisely when you DON'T agree, when you think your opponent is WRONG and STUPID that you have to make sure to still be courteous and polite. (ESPECIALLY since nobody's perfect and everyone occasionally loses games when they're SURE they're right, and they're actually not.)

[ARTjoMS]

Can we pleeeeeeeeeeeease get a downvote button?

Yesterday we played 3 games.
1st game you played well, but game decided in jesters. maybe i could have played better somewhere. wp anyway.

Going green was a huge mistake in wharf-city game for you yesterday.  Too bad i didn't finish game when i had to. Scared that you are already holding a mouse to be ready to press resign button again as fast as it is possible. Made me nervous.

3rd game. You got outplayed.

Downvote me pleeeeeaase if you want. I don't give a **** about you. For me you are not in top 10 players.

[Jfrisch]

Fact: In dominion, there is quite a lot of luck. Big money beats Big money Smithy a very signifigant portion of the time.
Fact: Given that we all are playing a statistically very large set of games luck does not, in fact, have a particularly large effect on our rankings, over a set of 100 games a (significantly) better player will nearly certainly win.

Given that people here are playing hundreds/thousands of games, luck is not a particularly strong factor in your overall win rate/how you do against people in general/etc. Those games you lost due to luck were essentially equalled by the games you won due to luck. It's ridiculous to believe that, over the course of thousands of games, you have been significantly harmed by luck. Winning/losing a particular game means very little when it comes to your overall skill, if you want to convince people that you are the best, get high on the leaderboard. Your skill level (not exactly ranking, ranking has a reasonable bias towards those who play more often) will prove that you are the better player. If you aren't rising to the top, well, it's probably because the players above you are in fact better players.

[WanderingWinder]

Can we pleeeeeeeeeeeease get a downvote button?

Yesterday we played 3 games.
1st game you played well, but game decided in jesters. maybe i could have played better somewhere. wp anyway.

Going green was a huge mistake in wharf-city game for you yesterday.  Too bad i didn't finish game when i had to. Scared that you are already holding a mouse to be ready to press resign button again as fast as it is possible. Made me nervous.

3rd game. You got outplayed.

Downvote me pleeeeeaase if you want. I don't give a **** about you. For me you are not in top 10 players.

[strikethrough]Man, [/strikethrough]I'm not doing anything to you. I could. I really really could. My comment was not directed at you in particular, but mildly at this thread and more at the forums in general - not that I want to slam people, bu I do think it would be useful to have this capability. Yes, it was posted after yours, but there are over 600 posts in this thread, I could have been set off by any of them, or the whole compilation. Just because I don't want to single someone out as the source by quoting them, doesn't meant hat my comment is directed at the previous one.
Now, if you want me to go after you, then by all means, let me know, and I can do that for you. If not, then please show me the same courtesy. Thanks.

[Graystripe77]

I really, really, very much so wish I could ban ARTjoMS. But then I'd feel just as rude as him....... So, I'm just gonna say this. If you believe that you lost a game due to luck and don't think it was a good game, don't say so, and just leave. I've done it, and it doesn't seem to be disrespectful as far as I can tell. But seriously, resorting to this name-calling and belittling crap isn't gonna do anything.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=346300645436014&set=a.268489309883815.67691.268330443233035&type=1

[ARTjoMS]

Can we pleeeeeeeeeeeease get a downvote button?

My comment was not directed at you in particular, but mildly at this thread and more at the forums in general - not that I want to slam people, bu I do think it would be useful to have this capability. Yes, it was posted after yours, but there are over 600 posts in this thread, I could have been set off by any of them, or the whole compilation. Just because I don't want to single someone out as the source by quoting them, doesn't meant hat my comment is directed at the previous one.

Coward.

[DStu]

Can we pleeeeeeeeeeeease get a downvote button?

or, maybe, we could just not feed the troll(s)?

[theory]

I was out of town this weekend.

Thread locked.  Perhaps eventually something like this thread will return, but this is enough for now.

By the way, I have no inclination to introduce the down-vote button.  Every time someone asks for it seems to be a situation that would only get worse if it were introduced.