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Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! - Mafia Win Flawlessly
« on: January 05, 2013, 11:17:41 pm »

Welcome to Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party!

Spectator thread QT available on request - please PM me and I will send you the link.  Thanks!

This game is specifically for new mafia players.  Newbies will be given priority sign-ups, and appropriate considerations taken to ensure new players get the most out of their mafia experience.

This game will most likely include some non-newbies, due to requiring enough players to play the set-up.

A player will be considered a newbie if this game would be their first, second, or third game ever played.

Game state:

Day 1 (Opening Post)
Night 1
Day 2 (Opening Post)
Night 2
Day 3 (Opening Post)

Players (newbies marked with *):
0 - ashersky
1 - raerae*
2 - sudgy* - Vanilla Townie - Lynched D3
3 - liopoil* - Mafia Goon
4 - mcmcsalot* - Mafia Goon

5 - EFHW* - Vanilla Townie - Shot N2
6 - mail-mi* - Vanilla Townie - Lynched D1
7 - Kooshie*
8 - Jimmmmm - Town Cop - Shot N1
9 - Robz888 - Vanilla Townie - Lynched D2

Back-ups Priority List: yuma, Eevee


Co-Mods: Jorbles

Basic Mafia Ruleset

The Golden Rule:

Please remember that this is a game and your main objective is to have fun! Be considerate of each other, don’t get personal, and enjoy the game.

Game Rules:

General Gameplay and Etiquette:
1. You may not quote private Moderator-supplied information (either real or fabricated) of any kind.  Paraphrasing (for role claims, etc.) is acceptable.
2. There is to be NO personal communication outside of the forum postings unless your role PM specifically allows it.  Mafia members may communicate at night and during the confirmation stage.
3. If you have a role with a Night action your choices are due to all mods by the posted deadline (generally 48 hours from Night start during the first few Nights; later Nights may have shorter deadlines).  If we do not receive your PM by the posted deadline you will forfeit your actions.  In case of multiple submissions, the last valid one before the deadline will be used.
4. Roles with Night actions will not be able to submit an action on Night 0 (i.e. during the confirmation stage).
5. Any player with a Night action may instead submit a “No Action” PM to let the Mods know that you do not want to perform your expected action that Night phase.
6. As a general rule you should aim for one post every 24 hours, minimum, to keep the game moving.

Voting, Deadlines, and Player Death:
1. A simple majority (rounded up) of all living members must agree on one person for a lynch to occur prior to deadline.
2. Once you have reached a simple majority no further unvoting will change someone’s fate.  Further votes will also be ignored.
3. Once a player is lynched the game enters twilight until I post a death scene; all players including the one who was lynched may continue to post during twilight.
4. Please submit votes as: Vote: PlayerName.  Votes will NOT be counted if they are not bold or do not follow this syntax!  Obvious abbreviations or nicknames will be counted so long as they are unambiguous.
5. Please submit vote revocations as either Unvote: PlayerName or Unvote. Unvotes are not necessary before changing votes.
6. You may Vote: No Lynch - a simple majority of these vote types are required to send the game to Night phase without a lynch.
7. Once you are killed (either via lynch or night kill) you may no longer post in the game or in Quicktopics, except for twilight.  This means that you do not even get a “Bah” post. The dead in this game are silent, but will be invited to the Spectator Quicktopic.
8. Do not edit or delete posts.  We don't want some players having more information than others.  If you want to clarify posts, feel free to double post.
9. This game will have "bankable deadlines."  See http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bankable_deadline for more information.  The rules for calculating deadlines are as follows:
- All Days are guaranteed to be at least three days and at most eighteen days long.
- Day 1 is set to last for eighteen days.
- Day 2 and each subsequent day will last for:
--- three days, PLUS
--- all unused days left over at the end of the previous Day;
--- up to a maximum of eighteen days.

9.  This game will have 12 day days and 48 hour nights.

Miscellaneous/Mechanics:
1. Bold, maroon text is reserved for the Mod.  No invisible/small text is allowed, nor is cryptography.
2. If you have an issue/problem with the game, please PM the Mods privately.  Do not post issues/complaints in the game thread.
3. The Mods may make mistakes - please point out any mistakes gently.  Mistakes will be corrected where possible, but sometimes mistakes are made that cannot be reversed.  These will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. Please bold all requests to the Mods so that they don’t get missed.
5. Prods of missing players will be issued automatically after 48 hours of no activity or upon request after 24 hours of no activity.  A prodded player has 48 hours to respond or risks replacement.  A player who has been prodded 3 times is subject to replacement without further notice.
6. Rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, up to and including a Modkill.
7. If you anticipate being unavailable for more than a 48-hour period please post a notice to that effect in the thread.  Treat this game as a commitment.  Be considerate – don’t leave us hanging.

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TO CLARIFY, I AM NOT A MODERATOR OF F.DS IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.  IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS GAME, I AM MODERATING THAT THE RULES ARE FOLLOWED AND HIDDEN ACTIONS ARE COMPLETED PROPERLY.

GAME SET-UP, ROLES, AND NEWBIE SPECIFIC INFORMATION LISTED IN NEXT POST
« Last Edit: February 20, 2013, 10:24:13 pm by ashersky »
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Re: Newbie Mafia I: Another Dinner Party! (Sign-ups Open)
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2013, 11:19:29 pm »

This game will use the F11 set-up.  (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=F11)

The set-up will be chosen at random from these four options:

1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Sane Cop, 1 Doctor, 5 Townies.
1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 7 Townies.
2 Mafia Goons, 1 Sane Cop, 6 Townies.
2 Mafia Goons, 1 Doctor, 6 Townies.

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Role: Vanilla Townie

Abilities:
You have no special abilities beyond the right to vote.

Win condition:
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

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Role: Town Cop

Abilities:
Each night, you may investigate a player in the game by sending the mods a PM.  You will get results back in the form of “Town,” “Antitown,” or “No Result.”

Win condition:
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

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Role: Town Doctor

Abilities:
Each night, you may protect one player in the game from one nightkill by sending the mods a PM.

Win condition:
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

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Role: Mafia Goon

Abilities:
Factional communication:  During the confirmation stage and nights, you may talk with your partner here: Quicktopic Link.

Factional kill:  Each night phase, you or your partner may perform the factional kill.

Win condition:
You win when mafia obtain a majority of town or nothing can stop this from happening.

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Role: Mafia Roleblocker

Abilities:
Factional communication:  During the confirmation stage and nights, you may talk with your partner here: Quicktopic Link

Factional kill:  Each night phase, you or your partner may perform the factional kill.

Role block: Each night phase, you may perform a roleblock on another player in the game.  You may block and kill the same night.

Win condition:
You win when mafia obtain a majority of town or nothing can stop this from happening.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2013, 01:45:22 am by ashersky »
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Re: Newbie Mafia I: Another Dinner Party! (Sign-ups Open)
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2013, 11:40:56 pm »

i'll be /in or co-mod, whatever is needed. But like someone mentioned, many of these players are in MXIX and may not want to join this game while still in it, but that is a. ok.
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Re: Newbie Mafia I: Another Dinner Party! (Sign-ups Open)
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2013, 12:16:33 am »

i'll be /in or co-mod, whatever is needed. But like someone mentioned, many of these players are in MXIX and may not want to join this game while still in it, but that is a. ok.

I'll wait to let it start at an opportune time.
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Re: Newbie Mafia I: Another Dinner Party! (Sign-ups Open)
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2013, 12:16:46 am »

Confirming in. But please not another new category. Just make it Mafia XX or whatever. Mafia X was newbie too.
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Re: Newbie Mafia I: Another Dinner Party! (Sign-ups Open)
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2013, 12:18:17 am »

Confirming in. But please not another new category. Just make it Mafia XX or whatever. Mafia X was newbie too.

Done.
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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2013, 12:30:24 am »

Confirming in, but like I said, happy to surrender my spot to a newer player.
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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2013, 12:44:40 am »

Confirming in. But please not another new category. Just make it Mafia XX or whatever. Mafia X was newbie too.

Done.

Thanks!
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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2013, 12:50:15 am »

Yes, confirming in. But if there is a sudden rush of new guys, obviously I'd be willing to surrender my spot. I'm no Robz!
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« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2013, 12:52:40 am »

Also yes, if there is a sudden rush of Newbies I'd hope veterans such as Robz will be first in line to give up their spot.
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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2013, 01:03:46 am »

Also yes, if there is a sudden rush of Newbies I'd hope veterans such as Robz will be first in line to give up their spot.

Nah, you would just have to host a second newb game, and he'll just play in both.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Sign-ups Open)
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2013, 02:06:57 am »

Yay!  When I finally finish something I was doing for the last few weeks, there's a newbie game started!  I'm in as a newbie.  (Note: that thing I was doing for a few weeks was one-time.  I can verify with a 98.35% certainty that nothing else will pop up in this game)
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« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2013, 02:29:05 am »

I have to disagree with the timing of this.

An easy way to scare of some newbies who are just starting (raerae, mcmcsalot are just a few games in; liopoil is playing his first game).

Mafia is a really fun game, but it's very easy to overcommit, and very overwhelming when you do.  I think this is a strong reason why Abra dropped out before completing his first game.

This game has GOT to wait until more games finish, we are pushing too many games at once, which can be fun and exciting for more veteran-y players, but has the very real possibility of putting off people who are interested in joining this hobby.
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« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2013, 02:37:43 am »

I have to disagree with the timing of this.

An easy way to scare of some newbies who are just starting (raerae, mcmcsalot are just a few games in; liopoil is playing his first game).

Mafia is a really fun game, but it's very easy to overcommit, and very overwhelming when you do.  I think this is a strong reason why Abra dropped out before completing his first game.

This game has GOT to wait until more games finish, we are pushing too many games at once, which can be fun and exciting for more veteran-y players, but has the very real possibility of putting off people who are interested in joining this hobby.

100% agree.  I'm super in but I work 8-5 and I coach at least two days a week and I don't feel comfortable playing too many games at once.  At this point, two games is one too many and I'll back out without hesitation if I feel my RL responsibilities could suffer because of this.

Also, and kind of sidenote-y, was anybody friendly with Abra?  I think he was mostly before my time but if somebody could get in touch with him and get him to come back for this newbie game?

Also, also, can we keep veterans off the sign-up list until we get closer to the end?  It could be discouraging for new players if they see a sign up full or nearly full.  It's my experience that newbies are nervous and unless they know somebody in this subset of the forums, it can be intimidating to just pop in and say "Hey, guys, can I play too?"  Think back to the playground to relate to this one, guys.
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« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2013, 02:42:37 am »

Also, also, can we keep veterans off the sign-up list until we get closer to the end?  It could be discouraging for new players if they see a sign up full or nearly full.  It's my experience that newbies are nervous and unless they know somebody in this subset of the forums, it can be intimidating to just pop in and say "Hey, guys, can I play too?"  Think back to the playground to relate to this one, guys.

Ridiculous, unacceptable, and offensive.
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« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2013, 02:44:23 am »

Also, also, can we keep veterans off the sign-up list until we get closer to the end?  It could be discouraging for new players if they see a sign up full or nearly full.  It's my experience that newbies are nervous and unless they know somebody in this subset of the forums, it can be intimidating to just pop in and say "Hey, guys, can I play too?"  Think back to the playground to relate to this one, guys.

Ridiculous, unacceptable, and offensive.

Fine.  Back out.  My spot is yours, Robz.
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« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2013, 02:59:04 am »

Also, also, can we keep veterans off the sign-up list until we get closer to the end?  It could be discouraging for new players if they see a sign up full or nearly full.  It's my experience that newbies are nervous and unless they know somebody in this subset of the forums, it can be intimidating to just pop in and say "Hey, guys, can I play too?"  Think back to the playground to relate to this one, guys.

Ridiculous, unacceptable, and offensive.
Maybe what she meant wasn't explained well; we've been talking about this in my living room for a bit.  The idea is to keep veterans off the list while it's in signups (or at least limit the two veterans, just Eevee/Robz is ok), but that if too few new people wander in after a long period for signups, we can invite in some older players and start things.

The argument is that a new player would come in and see that there's one spot left and an intimidating list of players some of them who have been in multiple games (I mean, Jimmm has finished 6 games, and is in RMM4 and DS9 currently).  It takes some chutzpah to decide to sign up and give playing this game with a set of total strangers a try.  Please don't say I'm wrong here, because I KNOW I'm not.  It is an intimidating act to jump into a community like this, it's why there are so many lurkers around f.DS in general who finally get to a place where they say "oh hey I've been lurking for 3 months but fiiiinally decided to make my first post."  Raerae is literally telling me right now that a not small subset of the veteran players are super intimidating (in the fact that they aren't conscientious or forgiving of the fact that new players have a different mindset often); and that this is really offputting.  If she didn't know me, and I didn't like you guys like I do, she would pack up and leave right now, honestly.  It makes me realize how exclusive our community is, and I think the focus of Mafia XXI should be to change that.

Jumping into new games can be more reassuring if the majority of those strangers are also as new as you are.  I really think this should be the more important goal of a newbie game, and that this goal should trump getting things filled quickly so that it starts soon.  We really should strive to be as accommodating to new players as possible.
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« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2013, 03:04:49 am »

Maybe we should start a new thread to see how many newbies there are out there who would play a newbie only game (ie no Robz, no Eevee, no me unless I need to make up the numbers).
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« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2013, 03:07:15 am »

Maybe we should start a new thread to see how many newbies there are out there who would play a newbie only game (ie no Robz, no Eevee, no me unless I need to make up the numbers).

If we were on Facebook, I would 'Like' this.
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« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2013, 03:23:09 am »

I actually think a newbie only game would be more interesting than mostly newbies led by a couple of vets.
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« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2013, 03:30:39 am »

I actually think a newbie only game would be more interesting than mostly newbies led by a couple of vets.

Why are vets needed to lead?  All you guys were new once.
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« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2013, 03:32:04 am »

They're not, that was my point.
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« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2013, 03:34:05 am »

They're not, that was my point.

Sorry, must have misunderstood.
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« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2013, 05:38:40 am »

If newbies sign up, veterans are out.  Yes, even Robz.
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« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2013, 09:26:04 am »

Maybe we should start a new thread to see how many newbies there are out there who would play a newbie only game (ie no Robz, no Eevee, no me unless I need to make up the numbers).

I made this thread, but everyone ignored it.

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=6329.0
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« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2013, 11:02:09 am »

Abra left due to RL issues coming up. It had absolutely nothing to do with the amount of mafia he was in.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2013, 11:53:21 am »

I'll be in if this starts after either the DS9 one ends or I am lynched or nightkilled. I don't want to be in two games just yet :P
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« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2013, 12:00:47 pm »

This post is by sudgy in the Introduction section:

I didn't even notice the Introductions section (if it's called that?) so yeah, I'm sudgy.  I've already posted a few random things, and I'll probably play mafia when I have the time. So uh... Yeah...  I can't think of anything else to say...

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« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2013, 12:14:53 pm »

This post is by sudgy in the Introduction section:

I didn't even notice the Introductions section (if it's called that?) so yeah, I'm sudgy.  I've already posted a few random things, and I'll probably play mafia when I have the time. So uh... Yeah...  I can't think of anything else to say...

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He posted on the last page. :P
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« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2013, 12:20:05 pm »

This post is by sudgy in the Introduction section:

I didn't even notice the Introductions section (if it's called that?) so yeah, I'm sudgy.  I've already posted a few random things, and I'll probably play mafia when I have the time. So uh... Yeah...  I can't think of anything else to say...

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He posted on the last page. :P
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« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2013, 12:22:22 pm »

With newbies wanting to join, they may be encouraged by one newbie being here...
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« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2013, 01:37:12 pm »

If you're going to exclude me or other veterans (which is not a course of action I agree with, but okay, it's your game), then please do go back to calling it Newbie Mafia I, or whatever.
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« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2013, 02:51:09 pm »

If you're going to exclude me or other veterans (which is not a course of action I agree with, but okay, it's your game), then please do go back to calling it Newbie Mafia I, or whatever.

If we actually have nine new players, I will.  I cannot imagine there will be, and don't expect to.
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« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2013, 04:28:42 pm »

PMs listed in the 2nd post.  That should be enough information for this.
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« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2013, 05:25:51 pm »

one suggestion from me, given that as this is a newbie game, is to not have bankable deadlines. Dont' get me wrong. I like bankable deadlines, but they are kinda abstract and can be hard to grasp, even for people who have already played with them. At the same time the newbie game I ran MX had one week deadlines, which were too short. So maybe two weeks or 10-12 day deadlines? Just to keep it simpler.
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« Reply #35 on: January 06, 2013, 05:36:47 pm »

Do I have to PM you to be in?  I thought that just saying something on the thread saying I'm in would work, but I'm not on the list...
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« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2013, 06:32:12 pm »

Do I have to PM you to be in?  I thought that just saying something on the thread saying I'm in would work, but I'm not on the list...

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« Reply #37 on: January 06, 2013, 06:33:21 pm »

one suggestion from me, given that as this is a newbie game, is to not have bankable deadlines. Dont' get me wrong. I like bankable deadlines, but they are kinda abstract and can be hard to grasp, even for people who have already played with them. At the same time the newbie game I ran MX had one week deadlines, which were too short. So maybe two weeks or 10-12 day deadlines? Just to keep it simpler.

12 day days and 48 hour nights now noted in the OP.
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« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2013, 06:49:05 pm »

Do I have to PM you to be in?  I thought that just saying something on the thread saying I'm in would work, but I'm not on the list...

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« Reply #39 on: January 06, 2013, 06:57:05 pm »

Do I have to PM you to be in?  I thought that just saying something on the thread saying I'm in would work, but I'm not on the list...

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« Reply #40 on: January 07, 2013, 09:03:46 am »

Maybe it would help attracting newbies if you put the information that this is a game for them in the thread title?
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« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2013, 09:04:52 am »

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« Reply #42 on: January 07, 2013, 09:33:22 am »

in the OP it says newbies are marked with an asterix but they aren't. I think there are three of us. bozzball, sudgy, and I. Are raerae and mcmc still considered new?
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« Reply #43 on: January 07, 2013, 09:36:51 am »

Also assuming based on the second post that the town cop and the sane cop are the same thing?
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« Reply #44 on: January 07, 2013, 09:42:03 am »

Is the town told which of the 4 set-ups we have?
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« Reply #45 on: January 07, 2013, 09:44:31 am »

I'm pretty sure the answer is no. We're not supposed to know the exact set-up but it shouldn't be too hard to figure out in certain situations.
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Also assuming based on the second post that the town cop and the sane cop are the same thing?

Yes. A sane cop is a normal cop, an insane cop receives the opposite results that a sane cop would, but there certainly wouldn't be one (or any other kind of cop) in a newbie game.
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« Reply #47 on: January 07, 2013, 09:50:52 am »

What's the point of the insane cop? they'd just see the result "town" and realize that the person is mafia! Or do they not know that they are insane?
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« Reply #48 on: January 07, 2013, 11:14:40 am »


Also, also, can we keep veterans off the sign-up list until we get closer to the end?  It could be discouraging for new players if they see a sign up full or nearly full.  It's my experience that newbies are nervous and unless they know somebody in this subset of the forums, it can be intimidating to just pop in and say "Hey, guys, can I play too?"  Think back to the playground to relate to this one, guys.
I understood what she was saying, and I agree with her.  Maybe no one here ever set foot on a playground, raerae.  (BTW, playground bully references don't always go over well here, so if you continue to use them, make sure you're not a victim of bad timing.)

If this was supposed to be a newbie game, then clearly that changed. Hell, even the name of the thread changed.  That's fine, it's Ash's game.  But if it's no longer supposed to be a newbie game, then just say so. Otherwise, here's the mixed message that I see:

It's nice that there is a semi-definition of the term "newbie-game" in the OP, but that is lip service if the definition is not applied (uniformly) as the first filter for entry.

It's nice that there is a disclaimer that reads "Newbies will be given priority sign-ups..." but they weren't. Eevee and Robz are in at positions #4 and 7, and the thread is JUST NOW 36 hours old. (Yeah, I see the "if needed" phrase. It reads as a direct contradiction.  It's either a newbie game, by the definition, or it's not.)

It's nice that that same disclaimer contains a clause that reads "and appropriate considerations taken to ensure new players get the most out of their mafia experience", but that is just lip service if such considerations only begin after the Day 1 start.  Why wouldn't comfort level during the signup process be one of those considerations? Why wouldn't clear communication that newbs are wanted and truly prioritized be one of those considerations? 

Sure, I saw post #23, but here's the thing.  It's at #23.  It's not in the OP.  And if I am still truly wondering whether Ash really would remove Robz or Eevee, then what in the world would newbs be thinking? Let's look at the data available just in this thread:

a) Not a new category! Category changed. Thread name changed.
b) Mafia X was newb too! Hmm, not really: ashersky, Jorbles, Cuzz, GeoLib, Robz888, O, Captain_Frisk, Eevee, and Morgrim7/Voltaire
c) Ridiculous, unacceptable, and offensive! to the notion of just waiting to the end of sign ups to add veterans to the game
d) No response at all to the notion "if there is a sudden rush of Newbies I'd hope veterans such as Robz will be first in line to give up their spot." (BTW, Jim, a cogent, valuable, and commendable post)

Yeah, if I'm a newb, I don't think I'd be interested in this one.

So I ask: If a true newb game is desired, then why not phrase the disclaimer as "Newbies will be given priority sign-ups, and more experienced players will not be added unless needed to start the game"? WOW, now that's a novel concept, wonder why no one thought of it, or posted it?

Further, I submit that a new category (Newbie Mafia) is PRECISELY what we need to keep new players coming in, and feeling welcome.  We've recently had a little spike in that population, and we should do all we can to perpetuate it. I also suspect that the world will not end if there is a Mafia game on f.DS that any one player doesn't get to play in.

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« Reply #49 on: January 07, 2013, 11:26:53 am »


Also, also, can we keep veterans off the sign-up list until we get closer to the end?  It could be discouraging for new players if they see a sign up full or nearly full.  It's my experience that newbies are nervous and unless they know somebody in this subset of the forums, it can be intimidating to just pop in and say "Hey, guys, can I play too?"  Think back to the playground to relate to this one, guys.
I understood what she was saying, and I agree with her.  Maybe none of  one here ever set foot on a playground, raerae.  (BTW, playground bully references don't always go over well here, so if you continue to use them, make sure you're not a victim of bad timing.)

If this was supposed to be a newbie game, then clearly that changed. Hell, even the name of the thread changed.  That's fine, it's Ash's game.  But if it's no longer supposed to be a newbie game, then just say so. Otherwise, here's the mixed message that I see:

It's nice that there is a semi-definition of the term "newbie-game" in the OP, but that is lip service if the definition is not applied (uniformly) as the first filter for entry.

It's nice that there is a disclaimer that reads "Newbies will be given priority sign-ups..." but they weren't. Eevee and Robz are in at positions #4 and 7, and the thread is JUST NOW 36 hours old. (Yeah, I see the "if needed" phrase. It reads as a direct contradiction.  It's either a newbie game, by the definition, or it's not.)

It's nice that that same disclaimer contains a clause that reads "and appropriate considerations taken to ensure new players get the most out of their mafia experience", but that is just lip service if such considerations only begin after the Day 1 start.  Why wouldn't comfort level during the signup process be one of those considerations? Why wouldn't clear communication that newbs are wanted and truly prioritized be one of those considerations? 

Sure, I saw post #23, but here's the thing.  It's at #23.  It's not in the OP.  And if I am still truly wondering whether Ash really would remove Robz or Eevee, then what in the world would newbs be thinking? Let's look at the data available just in this thread:

a) Not a new category! Category changed. Thread name changed.
b) Mafia X was newb too! Hmm, not really: ashersky, Jorbles, Cuzz, GeoLib, Robz888, O, Captain_Frisk, Eevee, and Morgrim7/Voltaire
c) Ridiculous, unacceptable, and offensive! to the notion of just waiting to the end of sign ups to add veterans to the game
d) No response at all to the notion "if there is a sudden rush of Newbies I'd hope veterans such as Robz will be first in line to give up their spot." (BTW, Jim, a cogent, valuable, and commendable post)

Yeah, if I'm a newb, I don't think I'd be interested in this one.

So I ask: If a true newb game is desired, then why not phrase the disclaimer as "Newbies will be given priority sign-ups, and more experienced players will not be added unless needed to start the game"? WOW, now that's a novel concept, wonder why no one thought of it, or posted it?

Further, I submit that a new category (Newbie Mafia) is PRECISELY what we need to keep new players coming in, and feeling welcome.  We've recently had a little spike in that population, and we should do all we can to perpetuate it. I also suspect that the world will not end if there is a Mafia game on f.DS that any one player doesn't get to play in.

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« Reply #50 on: January 07, 2013, 11:37:14 am »


Also, also, can we keep veterans off the sign-up list until we get closer to the end?  It could be discouraging for new players if they see a sign up full or nearly full.  It's my experience that newbies are nervous and unless they know somebody in this subset of the forums, it can be intimidating to just pop in and say "Hey, guys, can I play too?"  Think back to the playground to relate to this one, guys.
I understood what she was saying, and I agree with her.  Maybe none of  one here ever set foot on a playground, raerae.  (BTW, playground bully references don't always go over well here, so if you continue to use them, make sure you're not a victim of bad timing.)

If this was supposed to be a newbie game, then clearly that changed. Hell, even the name of the thread changed.  That's fine, it's Ash's game.  But if it's no longer supposed to be a newbie game, then just say so. Otherwise, here's the mixed message that I see:

It's nice that there is a semi-definition of the term "newbie-game" in the OP, but that is lip service if the definition is not applied (uniformly) as the first filter for entry.

It's nice that there is a disclaimer that reads "Newbies will be given priority sign-ups..." but they weren't. Eevee and Robz are in at positions #4 and 7, and the thread is JUST NOW 36 hours old. (Yeah, I see the "if needed" phrase. It reads as a direct contradiction.  It's either a newbie game, by the definition, or it's not.)

It's nice that that same disclaimer contains a clause that reads "and appropriate considerations taken to ensure new players get the most out of their mafia experience", but that is just lip service if such considerations only begin after the Day 1 start.  Why wouldn't comfort level during the signup process be one of those considerations? Why wouldn't clear communication that newbs are wanted and truly prioritized be one of those considerations? 

Sure, I saw post #23, but here's the thing.  It's at #23.  It's not in the OP.  And if I am still truly wondering whether Ash really would remove Robz or Eevee, then what in the world would newbs be thinking? Let's look at the data available just in this thread:

a) Not a new category! Category changed. Thread name changed.
b) Mafia X was newb too! Hmm, not really: ashersky, Jorbles, Cuzz, GeoLib, Robz888, O, Captain_Frisk, Eevee, and Morgrim7/Voltaire
c) Ridiculous, unacceptable, and offensive! to the notion of just waiting to the end of sign ups to add veterans to the game
d) No response at all to the notion "if there is a sudden rush of Newbies I'd hope veterans such as Robz will be first in line to give up their spot." (BTW, Jim, a cogent, valuable, and commendable post)

Yeah, if I'm a newb, I don't think I'd be interested in this one.

So I ask: If a true newb game is desired, then why not phrase the disclaimer as "Newbies will be given priority sign-ups, and more experienced players will not be added unless needed to start the game"? WOW, now that's a novel concept, wonder why no one thought of it, or posted it?

Further, I submit that a new category (Newbie Mafia) is PRECISELY what we need to keep new players coming in, and feeling welcome.  We've recently had a little spike in that population, and we should do all we can to perpetuate it. I also suspect that the world will not end if there is a Mafia game on f.DS that any one player doesn't get to play in.

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« Reply #51 on: January 07, 2013, 11:37:45 am »

I am interested in this game purely dependent on it being OK for newb's. I was in a game before, and felt a little bit underexperienced.
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« Reply #52 on: January 07, 2013, 11:39:56 am »

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« Reply #53 on: January 07, 2013, 12:04:36 pm »

If you want to have a true newbie game, keep it Newbie Mafia I, exclude it from yuma's rankings, and exclude all veteran players.

Otherwise, it should be open to everyone who wants to play.
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« Reply #54 on: January 07, 2013, 12:06:00 pm »

This all comes down to the desperate need to get games filled up quickly, which doesn't happen any more because there are too many games.

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If you want to have a true newbie game, keep it Newbie Mafia I, exclude it from yuma's rankings, and exclude all veteran players.

Otherwise, it should be open to everyone who wants to play.

I thought this was the idea anyways wasn't it?
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« Reply #55 on: January 07, 2013, 12:12:05 pm »

I agree with the name newbie mafia I. I haven't heard of Yuma's rankings. And yes, I think it is open to everyone, but newbies get priority in this one in the case of more than 9 people wanting to play. When is fills up we should probably wait a bit before starting it to give newbies more time to find it. With three new people already in and two others who are somewhat new too I don't think there will be a problem of too may experienced people.
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« Reply #56 on: January 07, 2013, 12:24:40 pm »

If you want to have a true newbie game, keep it Newbie Mafia I, exclude it from yuma's rankings, and exclude all veteran players.

Otherwise, it should be open to everyone who wants to play.
LOL. Unbelievable.

Yes sir, thank you sir, we will conform to your wishes at all times sir. Thanks for making my point for me again.

I don't know much about the Yuma rankings, but assuming they cover f.DS mafia results, I offer this.  If the rankings exclude all newbie games, then the first X games played by everyone here should not be counted.

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« Reply #57 on: January 07, 2013, 12:31:39 pm »

If you want to have a true newbie game, keep it Newbie Mafia I, exclude it from yuma's rankings, and exclude all veteran players.

Otherwise, it should be open to everyone who wants to play.

First of all I'm not posting here to "in" (To be clear I'm /out I have yet to take a space in a newbie game), but Robz man newbies are just as entitled to be in yuma's rankings as we are even if it is a newbie only game, MI was newb only, M2 Was newb only + Robz. they have a right to know their stats just as much as we do.
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« Reply #58 on: January 07, 2013, 12:32:34 pm »

If you want to have a true newbie game, keep it Newbie Mafia I, exclude it from yuma's rankings, and exclude all veteran players.

Otherwise, it should be open to everyone who wants to play.
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Yes sir, thank you sir, we will conform to your wishes at all times sir. Thanks for making my point for me again.

I don't know much about the Yuma rankings, but assuming they cover f.DS mafia results, I offer this.  If the rankings exclude all newbie games, then the first X games played by everyone here should not be counted.

Otherwise, they should be open to everyone who has played.

I am under no illusion that I will, or must, get what I want. No one is in charge here. Obviously, there's nothing to stop ashersky from running a game that is open to every player but Robz (except that I'm sure he wouldn't do that, because he is a fair and accommodating person, and hopefully my friends would refuse to play a game that deliberately excluded me). I'm just saying what I would like to see, okay?
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« Reply #59 on: January 07, 2013, 12:37:49 pm »

If you want to have a true newbie game, keep it Newbie Mafia I, exclude it from yuma's rankings, and exclude all veteran players.

Otherwise, it should be open to everyone who wants to play.

First of all I'm not posting here to "in" (To be clear I'm /out I have yet to take a space in a newbie game), but Robz man newbies are just as entitled to be in yuma's rankings as we are even if it is a newbie only game, MI was newb only, M2 Was newb only + Robz. they have a right to know their stats just as much as we do.

But those games were not "newbie only" in the sense that they dissuaded non-new players from playing. No one was bumped from the game for not being a new player.

But, okay, whatever is amenable to everyone else is fine. I should not have asked ashersky to change the name--I assumed this was going to be a newbie-encouraged game of mafia (like VII and X), rather than like a real, real, mostly all newbies game. My suggestion is, if it's to really be a newbie game, to exclude all veteran players, change it back to Newbie Mafia I, and fine, include on the rankings if you want. Well, I mean, that's up to yuma, but presumably he will if most people want it. I don't even have a problem with that, I guess, it was just the default that came to mind.
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« Reply #60 on: January 07, 2013, 12:43:33 pm »

I'm not trying to get under anybody's skin. I'm sorry if my tone implied, like, authoritarian decree, or something. Again, I am not in charge.

I'm just ever-so-slightly skeptical of going out of our way to create artificial newbie games. The best newbies have successfully integrated themselves into complex, non-newbie games (think of cayvie in VI, shraeye and sparky IX, Munch in XI).

But it's certainly true that we have too many games for too few players, so I'm willing to entertain doing something like this (and again, it's not what-I-say-goes, so even if I was really opposed, it could still happen). (Of course I also think some people are too eager to moderate without signing up to play a reasonable number of games.)
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« Reply #61 on: January 07, 2013, 12:43:39 pm »

SFS, while I fully understand the points you've made, I also understand Robz' position. He's not saying "I must be in every game and how dare you not include me" - he's saying "look, if the game is going to count on Yuma's leaderboard, that tracks stats from a subset of (to date) all normally named games and all blitz games, then it should not exclude anybody for any reason. Every game that has been counted has been open to all, and it should stay that way to be equally fair towards the vets as new people."

I don't think that Robz, or anybody else here thinks that having a strictly newb category is a bad idea. It's a great launching pad to bring in new people. It should be named as such, and as you've said, given every priority to making new people welcome. That's a great idea. But just like RMM or BM games are not "counted" on the leaderboard, neither should this new category. Because the moment you exclude someone, but still count the game in the official stats, the stats are skewed.

Coming from your background where correct data is so very important, I would hope that you could understand that point.
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« Reply #62 on: January 07, 2013, 12:46:03 pm »

Exactly, what Galzria said.
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« Reply #63 on: January 07, 2013, 12:53:03 pm »

If you want to have a true newbie game, keep it Newbie Mafia I, exclude it from yuma's rankings, and exclude all veteran players.

Otherwise, it should be open to everyone who wants to play.
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Yes sir, thank you sir, we will conform to your wishes at all times sir. Thanks for making my point for me again.

I don't know much about the Yuma rankings, but assuming they cover f.DS mafia results, I offer this.  If the rankings exclude all newbie games, then the first X games played by everyone here should not be counted.

Otherwise, they should be open to everyone who has played.

I am under no illusion that I will, or must, get what I want. But you have so far is my point. No one is in charge here. Well, technically Ash is. Obviously, there's nothing to stop ashersky from running a game that is open to every player but Robz (except that I'm sure he wouldn't do that, because he is a fair and accommodating person or he wants to run a newb game?, and hopefully my friends would refuse to play a game that deliberately excluded me so you do have some playground experience. No one is deliberately excluding you, you simply don't qualify. Although, in fairness, you may feel deliberately excluded from AARP and the LPGA, just to name two examples.) I'm just saying what I would like to see, okay?  I'm open to that notion, but everything you've said has had the tone and the form of instructions, which I believe is contributing to an atmosphere that is less than welcoming, and less than conducive to growing the player population.  I'm just saying what I've seen, okay?
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« Reply #64 on: January 07, 2013, 12:55:59 pm »

Yeah, I think I'm /out.
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« Reply #65 on: January 07, 2013, 12:56:53 pm »

To be clear Robz I'm not actually taking offense I just didn't see why it shouldn't count on the leaderboard.

Because the moment you exclude someone, but still count the game in the official stats, the stats are skewed.

This is a good reason though. Although is it really that skewed considering when we started we got 100% newbie games?
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« Reply #66 on: January 07, 2013, 01:01:12 pm »

Yeah, I think I'm /out.

Congrats, guys.  That's two newbies out of the newbie game.  I'm giving you the most disapproving mom look I can muster.  Seriously, I expected more of you based on my interactions with you in Buffy and Blitz.  You guys are great people and not showing that right now.  If you wanted your little corner of the internet to be members only you should have locked it down and assigned a password.
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« Reply #67 on: January 07, 2013, 01:05:13 pm »

If you want to have a true newbie game, keep it Newbie Mafia I, exclude it from yuma's rankings, and exclude all veteran players.

Otherwise, it should be open to everyone who wants to play.
LOL. Unbelievable.

Yes sir, thank you sir, we will conform to your wishes at all times sir. Thanks for making my point for me again.

I don't know much about the Yuma rankings, but assuming they cover f.DS mafia results, I offer this.  If the rankings exclude all newbie games, then the first X games played by everyone here should not be counted.

Otherwise, they should be open to everyone who has played.

I am under no illusion that I will, or must, get what I want. But you have so far is my point.Okay, well, if I'm correct, or the moderator agrees with me, or most people agree with me, I would expect to get my way. Your "we will conform to your wishes at all times sir" comment implied to me that you thought that I thought I expected to get my way just because I have an inflated sense of self-importance or leadership or something. That is not the case, I am saying. No one is in charge here. Well, technically Ash is.Of this game, yes. I mean, no one is in charge of the Forum Games community in general. Well, I guess theory is, but you get what I mean. Obviously, there's nothing to stop ashersky from running a game that is open to every player but Robz (except that I'm sure he wouldn't do that, because he is a fair and accommodating person or he wants to run a newb game?I was using an extreme example. He can run a newbie game, sure. If he ran a game that deliberately excluded one specific player, that would be pretty mean; I'm not saying that's what is happening here. It isn't., and hopefully my friends would refuse to play a game that deliberately excluded me so you do have some playground experience. No one is deliberately excluding you, you simply don't qualify. Although, in fairness, you may feel deliberately excluded from AARP and the LPGA, just to name two examples.I think we're talking past each other? I don't feel deliberately excluded for this game, if it is an all newbie game, no.) I'm just saying what I would like to see, okay?  I'm open to that notion, but everything you've said has had the tone and the form of instructions, which I believe is contributing to an atmosphere that is less than welcoming, and less than conducive to growing the player population.  I'm just saying what I've seen, okay?I'm sorry if you think the atmosphere is less than welcoming. You could be right; Raerae and shraeye seem to think you are right. Perhaps you are right. I have trouble understanding specifically how this forum is unwelcoming, except that there's a bit of a learning curve to understanding references to past games. Of course hosting an all or mostly newbie game does nothing to address that issue.
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« Reply #68 on: January 07, 2013, 01:11:26 pm »

If you want to have a true newbie game, keep it Newbie Mafia I, exclude it from yuma's rankings, and exclude all veteran players.

Otherwise, it should be open to everyone who wants to play.
LOL. Unbelievable.

Yes sir, thank you sir, we will conform to your wishes at all times sir. Thanks for making my point for me again.

I don't know much about the Yuma rankings, but assuming they cover f.DS mafia results, I offer this.  If the rankings exclude all newbie games, then the first X games played by everyone here should not be counted.

Otherwise, they should be open to everyone who has played.

I am under no illusion that I will, or must, get what I want. But you have so far is my point.Okay, well, if I'm correct, or the moderator agrees with me, or most people agree with me, I would expect to get my way. Your "we will conform to your wishes at all times sir" comment implied to me that you thought that I thought I expected to get my way just because I have an inflated sense of self-importance or leadership or something. That is not the case, I am saying. No one is in charge here. Well, technically Ash is.Of this game, yes. I mean, no one is in charge of the Forum Games community in general. Well, I guess theory is, but you get what I mean. Obviously, there's nothing to stop ashersky from running a game that is open to every player but Robz (except that I'm sure he wouldn't do that, because he is a fair and accommodating person or he wants to run a newb game?I was using an extreme example. He can run a newbie game, sure. If he ran a game that deliberately excluded one specific player, that would be pretty mean; I'm not saying that's what is happening here. It isn't., and hopefully my friends would refuse to play a game that deliberately excluded me so you do have some playground experience. No one is deliberately excluding you, you simply don't qualify. Although, in fairness, you may feel deliberately excluded from AARP and the LPGA, just to name two examples.I think we're talking past each other? I don't feel deliberately excluded for this game, if it is an all newbie game, no.) I'm just saying what I would like to see, okay?  I'm open to that notion, but everything you've said has had the tone and the form of instructions, which I believe is contributing to an atmosphere that is less than welcoming, and less than conducive to growing the player population.  I'm just saying what I've seen, okay?I'm sorry if you think the atmosphere is less than welcoming. You could be right; Raerae and shraeye seem to think you are right. Perhaps you are right. I have trouble understanding specifically how this forum is unwelcoming, except that there's a bit of a learning curve to understanding references to past games. Of course hosting an all or mostly newbie game does nothing to address that issue.

Also, also, can we keep veterans off the sign-up list until we get closer to the end?  It could be discouraging for new players if they see a sign up full or nearly full.  It's my experience that newbies are nervous and unless they know somebody in this subset of the forums, it can be intimidating to just pop in and say "Hey, guys, can I play too?"  Think back to the playground to relate to this one, guys.

Ridiculous, unacceptable, and offensive.

It isn't the learning curve, it's comments like this.
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« Reply #69 on: January 07, 2013, 01:13:44 pm »

His comment was fine if Ashersky was going to name this XXI. If it is indeed Newb I, then I agree with yours Raerae.
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« Reply #70 on: January 07, 2013, 01:14:09 pm »

Yeah, I think I'm /out.

Congrats, guys.  That's two newbies out of the newbie game.  I'm giving you the most disapproving mom look I can muster.  Seriously, I expected more of you based on my interactions with you in Buffy and Blitz.  You guys are great people and not showing that right now.  If you wanted your little corner of the internet to be members only you should have locked it down and assigned a password.

I emphatically do not want that. Why do you think I am arguing that? Of course I want more new player, new players are great. I'm not even against a newbie game!

But Bozzball outing is like a good example of why my skepticism is I think well founded. First of all, Bozzball is not a newbie. He played Mafia II. It was my second game, and the first game to feature Galzria, Jotheonah, Insomniac, and Voltgloss. So really, this was a newbie game, since I was the only player there who had played a game before (and just one). Bozzball under-contributed substantially.

The game was extremely short and non-demanding, by modern standards. It's only 20 or 30 pages, I think.

So, 1) I don't really see how this mild debate between SFS and I affects Bozzball wanting to play, although he implies that it does
2) He has played already, in a game that was probably at least as newbie friendly as this one will be

I question whether mafia is right for him, based on his own comments and history. (Although if he wants to play, he should! I just think he's likely to be disappointed in the experience regardless.)

So it makes me a bit skeptical of the idea of a newbie game, and that's partly where I am coming from. But by all means, we should have one, and I will stay out of it (although again, it should go back to being Newbie Mafia I).
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« Reply #71 on: January 07, 2013, 01:16:02 pm »

His comment was fine if Ashersky was going to name this XXI. If it is indeed Newb I, then I agree with yours Raerae.

If it is indeed Newb I, I also agree with raerae. I'm sorry for making the suggestion that it be changed; I just didn't want a whole new category of games, if the game was going to be similar to M-I, M-II, M-VII, and M-X.
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« Reply #72 on: January 07, 2013, 01:20:44 pm »

SFS, while I fully understand the points you've made, I also understand Robz' position. He's not saying "I must be in every game and how dare you not include me" - he's saying "look, if the game is going to count on Yuma's leaderboard, that tracks stats from a subset of (to date) all normally named games and all blitz games, then it should not exclude anybody for any reason. Every game that has been counted has been open to all, and it should stay that way to be equally fair towards the vets as new people."  I understand that point, and I don't give a flip about the stats, so the opinions of those who do should matter more than mine, but I would point out that a) there is a contradiction between the concept of "it should not exclude anybody for any reason" and the concept of including only "all normally named games and all blitz games", as games are then being not counted simply on the basis of name; and b) if the stats could or will be affected by including results from games with a some (relatively) high percentage of newbies, then show me how the first few "normally named games" (in which, EVERYONE was a newbie, by definition) have been left out of the current stats, in a designed effort to avoid "skewing".  Maybe I missed that.

I don't think that Robz, or anybody else here thinks that having a strictly newb category is a bad idea well, I don't see how you can say that given what he posted, but ok. It's a great launching pad to bring in new people. It should be named as such not according to Robz, he requested a change, as this WAS a newb game, and as you've said, given every priority to making new people welcome. That's a great idea. But just like RMM or BM games are not "counted" on the leaderboard, neither should this new category. Because the moment you exclude someone, but still count the game in the official stats, the stats are skewed. Of course they are.  Stats are skewed every time Player X didn't play in game Y, which was a normally named game.  He was excluded, because the game was for 9 people, and he was the 11th guy to sign up. How do we handle that?

Coming from your background where correct data is so very important, I would hope that you could understand that point. I do, hence my comments above. But my posting today (prior to this one) has not come from position that in any way is concerned about the statistics, and what games count. But in case I've been misunderstood, my concern is about how welcoming we are to newbs. The statistics crap is just deflection in my opinion.
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« Reply #73 on: January 07, 2013, 01:22:59 pm »

So, 1) I don't really see how this mild debate between SFS and I affects Bozzball wanting to play, although he implies that it does
2) He has played already, in a game that was probably at least as newbie friendly as this one will be

I question whether mafia is right for him, based on his own comments and history. (Although if he wants to play, he should! I just think he's likely to be disappointed in the experience regardless.)

It may well be true that Mafia is not right for me, but I enjoy games in the play-by-forum format, and want to give Mafia a second go, since it seems to be the most popular. I've enjoyed playing The Resistance and Witches Brew in this format, and assume I will enjoy playing Puerto Rico, Through the Ages and Power Grid in this format as well.

What put me off the first time, and put me off again this time is how much more seriously people in this forum seem to take Mafia than the other games.
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« Reply #74 on: January 07, 2013, 01:27:03 pm »

So, 1) I don't really see how this mild debate between SFS and I affects Bozzball wanting to play, although he implies that it does
2) He has played already, in a game that was probably at least as newbie friendly as this one will be

I question whether mafia is right for him, based on his own comments and history. (Although if he wants to play, he should! I just think he's likely to be disappointed in the experience regardless.)

It may well be true that Mafia is not right for me, but I enjoy games in the play-by-forum format, and want to give Mafia a second go, since it seems to be the most popular. I've enjoyed playing The Resistance and Witches Brew in this format, and assume I will enjoy playing Puerto Rico, Through the Ages and Power Grid in this format as well.

What put me off the first time, and put me off again this time is how much more seriously people in this forum seem to take Mafia than the other games.

Hey Bozzy, I'm going to proposition you.  If you play, I'll play, and we'll have too much fun that the rest of the serious goobers here will realize how much fun this game can, and should, be that they'll all want to play like us from now on until forever.  Deal?
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« Reply #75 on: January 07, 2013, 01:28:55 pm »

This is getting crazy.

I started this thread as a new category, but with the full intention of making sure the game filled by including "veterans."  I mean, I have a "veterans only" game coming up, and mcmcsalot is in the pool for that, and I do not consider him an f.ds mafia veteran.

A "newbie only" game that excludes veterans is a dream, I think, because we don't have nine new players to play.  Literally everyone has played at least one game.  So I think if there are new players that don't want to play with old players...then they don't want to play here anyway.

On the playground analogy...I take offense on behalf of Robz and Eevee (Eevee!) for being slotted into the bully roles here.  I think they are trying to help and welcome new players by wanting to play.  They aren't standing with arm crossed; they have arms open.

Forum mafia is first-come based.  If a game over fills, people generally fight to give up spots for others, because we're all pretty nice people, generally speaking.  If we filled early, then a new guy showed up, we'd find a spot without a problem.

I changed the title back to normal mafia not because of Robz's wish to keep his tally going, but more the "not another category" argument.  I maintain the current index, so I saw his point.

If there is a real wish for a new category, I can change back.  I have my own mafia games planned upcoming in the queue I really want to mod.  I offered to do this one to help the community fill a need that was specified.  If its just going to cause fights, then man, why change the system?

PPE--I am adding Bozzball and raerae to the player list and moving some stuff around.  Give me a minute and see if the game still appeals (to anyone).
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« Reply #76 on: January 07, 2013, 01:33:20 pm »

This is getting crazy.

I started this thread as a new category, but with the full intention of making sure the game filled by including "veterans."  I mean, I have a "veterans only" game coming up, and mcmcsalot is in the pool for that, and I do not consider him an f.ds mafia veteran.

A "newbie only" game that excludes veterans is a dream, I think, because we don't have nine new players to play.  Literally everyone has played at least one game.  So I think if there are new players that don't want to play with old players...then they don't want to play here anyway.

On the playground analogy...I take offense on behalf of Robz and Eevee (Eevee!) for being slotted into the bully roles here.  I think they are trying to help and welcome new players by wanting to play.  They aren't standing with arm crossed; they have arms open.

Forum mafia is first-come based.  If a game over fills, people generally fight to give up spots for others, because we're all pretty nice people, generally speaking.  If we filled early, then a new guy showed up, we'd find a spot without a problem.

I changed the title back to normal mafia not because of Robz's wish to keep his tally going, but more the "not another category" argument.  I maintain the current index, so I saw his point.


If there is a real wish for a new category, I can change back.  I have my own mafia games planned upcoming in the queue I really want to mod.  I offered to do this one to help the community fill a need that was specified.  If its just going to cause fights, then man, why change the system?

PPE--I am adding Bozzball and raerae to the player list and moving some stuff around.  Give me a minute and see if the game still appeals (to anyone).

Yes, exactly. The "not another category" argument is particularly compelling, I think, because if this is a mixed veteran-newbie game that will count for the statistics, well, we've had a bunch of other games like that (M-I, M-II, M-VII, and M-X), so we should keep in the same format and not start a new category. If this game is fundamentally different in some way--really being a newbie game, not counting (or counting or whatever) for statistics--then by all means, start a new category.
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« Reply #77 on: January 07, 2013, 01:34:23 pm »

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« Reply #78 on: January 07, 2013, 01:35:03 pm »

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« Reply #79 on: January 07, 2013, 01:39:46 pm »

Still need a co-mod?  If so, reporting for duty.

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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Sign-ups Open)
« Reply #80 on: January 07, 2013, 02:11:38 pm »

@ashersky (and everybody else I guess): I apologize that my playground analogy offended.  My intent was never to paint anybody as a bully just to ask people to remember how hard it was (is?) to make friends.  If you're new and there's a group of kids in the corner all having a good time and generally being awesome, it's really hard to approach to them because what if you don't fit in or you smell funny or don't get their jokes. 

I also apologize that this "discussion" seems to have exploded from a misunderstanding, like all good "discussions" do.  The misunderstanding was on my end and I'm just now seeing it.  When this opened I really thought it was supposed to be a newbie only game that would be filled with veterans only if needed (which was almost 100% inevitable) so my post suggesting vets be left off wasn't meant to kick anybody out of the game, just to make it easier for new players to be comfortable joining.  I don't like excluding people from things, as I was and continue to be pretty lame, so it was never my intent to suggest we do that to anybody else.

Group hug, anybody?
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« Reply #81 on: January 07, 2013, 02:12:04 pm »

I am up for a group hug!
Watch those roving hands though!
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« Reply #82 on: January 07, 2013, 02:14:10 pm »

I am up for a group hug!
Watch those roving hands though!

I don't want your dirty hug if those hands are roaming around like wild bison!
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« Reply #83 on: January 07, 2013, 02:14:45 pm »

@raerae

No apology necessary to me.

Yeah, it's just that, if this is true newbie game, I have no problem with that. It should Newbie Mafia I, all newbies, and (possibly) unranked.

If it's a game that encourages newbies to join, but is also open to the usual overzealous veterans like myself and Eevee (and I miss Frisk, sad), then it's actually no different from six other regular mafia games and should just be Mafia XXI.
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« Reply #84 on: January 07, 2013, 02:14:51 pm »

I am up for a group hug!
Watch those roving hands though!

Those might've been mine. Sorry 'bout that.

Might not really be sorry.
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« Reply #85 on: January 07, 2013, 02:15:49 pm »

I said those hands, not THESE hands!

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« Reply #86 on: January 07, 2013, 02:34:14 pm »

My only intent ever was to join to help the fill the game up and get to play some fun mafia. I thought I made it clear I'd be willing to let anyone with less experience than I have take my seat in a newplayer-centric game. I stand by that, I'm willing to play but by no means need to get the slot or will be offended if I don't. On the contrary, I'd be quite joyous if this game filled up with newer players!

I think we should keep the sign ups open after the game fills to give more people time to find this. So yes, just inform me whether I'm in or not when this launches, that's all I ask! Hopefully we'll get a bunch of new players lured in.  :) Good idea to run a game like this, if I didn't say this already.

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« Reply #87 on: January 07, 2013, 02:48:03 pm »

Actually I am /out of the group hug, thats far too friendly for me, I only came here to distract from the arguing!
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« Reply #88 on: January 07, 2013, 03:03:08 pm »

Maybe this game should say that it's newbie-friendly.  I was looking for the simplest game here, and when I saw this one, I thought, "This is perfect!"  I know that me, as a newbie (even though I've played many games irl) I just wanted the simplest game.  I think that's what at least some other newbies want too (yeah, they do want other things, but I'm saying this is one thing).

I'm also in for the group hug.  I was going to suggest that the arguing be brought to another thread, but it's over now.
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« Reply #89 on: January 07, 2013, 04:19:46 pm »

I don't actually want to play this game, but might it not be somewhat beneficial to have a FEW non newbies in a newbie-friendly game? When I played MX as a first-timer it was nice to have Robz, Frisk, O and Eevee there to get some of the conventional wisdom out in the open, and sort of run the discussion a bit. And there were enough of them that they couldn't all be scum. I don't think it would have been as fun if it was all new people who didn't really know what they were doing. They do this on mafiascum if I'm not mistaken (called IC for Inexperience Challenged, not to be confused with Innocent Child http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Being_a_good_IC).

This is not my game and I don't actually care, but I wasn't sure if anyone had made this point.


Also, we all have a lot of fun here and we all like each other. Let's all be cool, please  :).
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« Reply #90 on: January 07, 2013, 05:13:14 pm »

I haven't read everything, but I echo Cuzz's feeling that a few experienced players in with the crowd of new players is a good thing, for the same reasons. 
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« Reply #91 on: January 07, 2013, 05:17:14 pm »

If you want to have a true newbie game, keep it Newbie Mafia I, exclude it from yuma's rankings, and exclude all veteran players.

Otherwise, it should be open to everyone who wants to play.
LOL. Unbelievable.

Yes sir, thank you sir, we will conform to your wishes at all times sir. Thanks for making my point for me again.

I don't know much about the Yuma rankings, but assuming they cover f.DS mafia results, I offer this.  If the rankings exclude all newbie games, then the first X games played by everyone here should not be counted.

Otherwise, they should be open to everyone who has played.

I am under no illusion that I will, or must, get what I want. But you have so far is my point.Okay, well, if I'm correct, or the moderator agrees with me, or most people agree with me, I would expect to get my way. Your "we will conform to your wishes at all times sir" comment implied to me that you thought that I thought I expected to get my way just because I have an inflated sense of self-importance or leadership or something. That is not the case, I am saying. No one is in charge here. Well, technically Ash is.Of this game, yes. I mean, no one is in charge of the Forum Games community in general. Well, I guess theory is, but you get what I mean. Obviously, there's nothing to stop ashersky from running a game that is open to every player but Robz (except that I'm sure he wouldn't do that, because he is a fair and accommodating person or he wants to run a newb game?I was using an extreme example. He can run a newbie game, sure. If he ran a game that deliberately excluded one specific player, that would be pretty mean; I'm not saying that's what is happening here. It isn't., and hopefully my friends would refuse to play a game that deliberately excluded me so you do have some playground experience. No one is deliberately excluding you, you simply don't qualify. Although, in fairness, you may feel deliberately excluded from AARP and the LPGA, just to name two examples.I think we're talking past each other? I don't feel deliberately excluded for this game, if it is an all newbie game, no.) I'm just saying what I would like to see, okay?  I'm open to that notion, but everything you've said has had the tone and the form of instructions, which I believe is contributing to an atmosphere that is less than welcoming, and less than conducive to growing the player population.  I'm just saying what I've seen, okay?I'm sorry if you think the atmosphere is less than welcoming. You could be right; Raerae and shraeye seem to think you are right. Perhaps you are right. I have trouble understanding specifically how this forum is unwelcoming, except that there's a bit of a learning curve to understanding references to past games. Of course hosting an all or mostly newbie game does nothing to address that issue.
Robz, I'm only caught up to this post, but I want to thank you.  These comments greatly clarify where you are coming from and make me feel MUCH better about today's discourse. I don't want that to go un-acknowledged, and I very much appreciate you taking the time to construct this post.
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« Reply #92 on: January 07, 2013, 05:18:42 pm »

We aren't going to get 9 new people, so we are guaranteed to get a few vets. This isn't really a problem.
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« Reply #93 on: January 07, 2013, 05:21:26 pm »

@SFS, thanks. I do think there was a bit of confusion on my position on running a newbie game. That confusion was my fault for requesting the name change without an explanation.
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« Reply #94 on: January 07, 2013, 05:34:00 pm »

Cue veteran Galz ninja /inning the last spot!
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« Reply #95 on: January 07, 2013, 05:34:08 pm »

d) No response at all to the notion "if there is a sudden rush of Newbies I'd hope veterans such as Robz will be first in line to give up their spot." (BTW, Jim, a cogent, valuable, and commendable post)

Cheers. Like I said, I'd be happy to give up my spot to a Newbie. But I'd be somewhat miffed if I did so while one or two of our most experienced players got to play.
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« Reply #96 on: January 07, 2013, 05:35:16 pm »

Kidding of course.  Given this game won't start until an appropriate time, it won't be "full" even at nine.  Folks can just keep signing up and I'll sort it later.
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« Reply #97 on: January 07, 2013, 05:50:46 pm »

Cue veteran Galz ninja /inning the last spot!

Nuh-uh! I've reached critical mass, and then gone way over. Dunno when it happened. I was fine, I was fine, I was fine.... And now I quite literally cannot keep up with all the threads I need to as new posts come in, let alone find the time to say anything.

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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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« Reply #98 on: January 07, 2013, 06:07:30 pm »

d) No response at all to the notion "if there is a sudden rush of Newbies I'd hope veterans such as Robz will be first in line to give up their spot." (BTW, Jim, a cogent, valuable, and commendable post)

Cheers. Like I said, I'd be happy to give up my spot to a Newbie. But I'd be somewhat miffed if I did so while one or two of our most experienced players got to play.
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« Reply #99 on: January 07, 2013, 06:46:23 pm »

Glad this has settled itself--and seriously guys--I made a thread to discuss this sort of stuff, but I guess here is as good as anywhere.

And not to add flames to the fire, but if there is room, I would really like to play in this game. I haven't played in a 9 player version before--aside from Blitz--and am more interested in the simple setups than some of the crazier and zanier ones out there. But, like others have said, I am not demanding a spot. As a vet (~10 games) I have had my fair share and won't be hurt at all if I am not included. If I am not included, I can be a backup mod as well.
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« Reply #100 on: January 07, 2013, 10:52:35 pm »

Yuma added.

Keep signing up.  I have an order for booting vets in lieu of newbies.  Note, no booting for other vets.
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« Reply #101 on: January 08, 2013, 02:26:47 am »

I was thinking, maybe you should have the other spaces in the signup be open, and list below that the veteran players...
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« Reply #102 on: January 08, 2013, 02:55:43 am »

Btw, I am in too many games right now, and want /out of this one. Sorry all.
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« Reply #103 on: January 08, 2013, 07:29:23 pm »

Convinced my best friend from college to join up and play, so auto-inning him here.  He'll be a true newbie.
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« Reply #104 on: January 08, 2013, 07:33:33 pm »

Twinclaim #6!
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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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« Reply #105 on: January 08, 2013, 07:35:37 pm »

Twinclaim #6!

#7 even!

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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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« Reply #106 on: January 08, 2013, 07:36:49 pm »

Twinclaim #6!

#7 even!

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« Reply #107 on: January 08, 2013, 08:00:11 pm »

Yuma added.

Keep signing up.  I have an order for booting vets in lieu of newbies.  Note, no booting for other vets.


Not to be a pain, but technically I was the first vet to /in...  :).
i'll be /in or co-mod, whatever is needed. But like someone mentioned, many of these players are in MXIX and may not want to join this game while still in it, but that is a. ok.

But really I would love to play, but won't be too upset if I can't.


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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Sign-ups Open)
« Reply #108 on: January 08, 2013, 09:55:24 pm »

Twinclaim #6!

#7 even!

((Joth-Gloob, eHunt-Theorel, Dsell-Abra, Shraeye-Munch, Shraeye-Raerae, Robz-mcmc, Ash-xxx))

If shraeye knows munch and shraeye knows raerae doesn't munch know raerae? I know it's not necessarily true, but it's very likely.
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« Reply #109 on: January 08, 2013, 10:01:01 pm »

Twinclaim #6!

#7 even!

((Joth-Gloob, eHunt-Theorel, Dsell-Abra, Shraeye-Munch, Shraeye-Raerae, Robz-mcmc, Ash-xxx))

If shraeye knows munch and shraeye knows raerae doesn't munch know raerae? I know it's not necessarily true, but it's very likely.

Look 2 posts up.

Also, will you mod?
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« Reply #110 on: January 08, 2013, 10:02:25 pm »

Twinclaim #6!

#7 even!

((Joth-Gloob, eHunt-Theorel, Dsell-Abra, Shraeye-Munch, Shraeye-Raerae, Robz-mcmc, Ash-xxx))

If shraeye knows munch and shraeye knows raerae doesn't munch know raerae? I know it's not necessarily true, but it's very likely.

Well, yes, as Raerae already pointed out. I just didn't really think completing the triangle was necessary, however, in doing we would indeed be up to #8.
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« Reply #111 on: January 08, 2013, 10:03:29 pm »

Twinclaim #6!

#7 even!

((Joth-Gloob, eHunt-Theorel, Dsell-Abra, Shraeye-Munch, Shraeye-Raerae, Robz-mcmc, Ash-xxx))

I didn't know about ehunt-theorel. And you are still missing one! Your long lost lover  :-*
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« Reply #112 on: January 08, 2013, 10:13:38 pm »

I also introduced manda to mafia way back in MVII. Unfortunately both people quit after/before finishing their first game. :-X

(Trying to get Abra back...hoping he will /in for a blitz game when he doesn't have a ton going on.)
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« Reply #113 on: January 08, 2013, 10:13:56 pm »

Twinclaim #6!

#7 even!

((Joth-Gloob, eHunt-Theorel, Dsell-Abra, Shraeye-Munch, Shraeye-Raerae, Robz-mcmc, Ash-xxx))

I didn't know about ehunt-theorel. And you are still missing one! Your long lost lover  :-*

ehunt / theo makes so much sense, though.  They're very similar in mafia style.
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« Reply #114 on: January 08, 2013, 10:21:29 pm »

Twinclaim #6!

#7 even!

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« Reply #115 on: January 08, 2013, 10:22:00 pm »

Twinclaim #6!

#7 even!

((Joth-Gloob, eHunt-Theorel, Dsell-Abra, Shraeye-Munch, Shraeye-Raerae, Robz-mcmc, Ash-xxx))

I didn't know about ehunt-theorel. And you are still missing one! Your long lost lover  :-*

Jests aside there...

Ahem! I've NO idea to whom you're referring! And my girlfriend would be appalled at such a notion.
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« Reply #116 on: January 08, 2013, 10:36:25 pm »

it appears you too have forgotten... You don't remember your long last, unrequited lover from MIX? my brother, angrybirds! although, I guess he isn't a current twin-claim as one game was enough for him.
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« Reply #117 on: January 08, 2013, 10:38:14 pm »

it appears you too have forgotten... You don't remember your long last, unrequited lover from MIX? my brother, angrybirds! although, I guess he isn't a current twin-claim as one game was enough for him.

Abirds! Man, I did forget about him, and I didn't know that was your brother.
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« Reply #118 on: January 08, 2013, 10:45:06 pm »

it appears you too have forgotten... You don't remember your long last, unrequited lover from MIX? my brother, angrybirds! although, I guess he isn't a current twin-claim as one game was enough for him.

ABirds was your brother? Really? Absolutely didn't know that!

And yeah, I was thinking about your lover comment personally, not game related. :P
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« Reply #119 on: January 08, 2013, 11:04:26 pm »

I remember angrybirds, he was great!  They were voting eachother in RVS over eating all the candy at the other person's house, or something like that.
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« Reply #120 on: January 08, 2013, 11:11:10 pm »

I met joth for drinks a little while ago and discovered he works a 10 minute walk from my apartment. I have not met Glooble but I can almost imagine what he looks like now.
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« Reply #121 on: January 08, 2013, 11:56:13 pm »

I met joth for drinks a little while ago and discovered he works a 10 minute walk from my apartment. I have not met Glooble but I can almost imagine what he looks like now.

Cool! I know what Joth looks like because I found him on Facebook (I bet he doesn't even know that, ha!).
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« Reply #122 on: January 08, 2013, 11:56:53 pm »

I met joth for drinks a little while ago and discovered he works a 10 minute walk from my apartment. I have not met Glooble but I can almost imagine what he looks like now.

Cool! I know what Joth looks like because I found him on Facebook (I bet he doesn't even know that, ha!).
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« Reply #123 on: January 08, 2013, 11:57:26 pm »

I met joth for drinks a little while ago and discovered he works a 10 minute walk from my apartment. I have not met Glooble but I can almost imagine what he looks like now.

Cool! I know what Joth looks like because I found him on Facebook (I bet he doesn't even know that, ha!).

He posted a youtube video of himself and glooble somewhere! You're behind the game, man!
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« Reply #124 on: January 08, 2013, 11:57:43 pm »

Actually, i think I know what he looks like, because I remember him and Glooble linking them playing music or something.
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« Reply #125 on: January 09, 2013, 01:15:29 am »

We should start accusing each other of running a mafia family on facebook and see how friends and family react. Actually I guess it's perfectly possible Ozle already runs a mafia family irl, dude has a lot on his plate.
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« Reply #126 on: January 09, 2013, 01:18:34 am »

We should start accusing each other of running a mafia family on facebook and see how friends and family react. Actually I guess it's perfectly possible Ozle already runs a mafia family irl, dude has a lot on his plate.

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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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« Reply #127 on: January 09, 2013, 01:24:18 am »

We should start accusing each other of running a mafia family on facebook and see how friends and family react. Actually I guess it's perfectly possible Ozle already runs a mafia family irl, dude has a lot on his plate.

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« Reply #128 on: January 09, 2013, 02:56:29 am »

I knwo Voltglos in RL...he just doesnt know me
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« Reply #129 on: January 09, 2013, 10:06:16 am »

I knwo Voltglos in RL...he just doesnt know me
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I knwo Voltglos in RL...he just doesnt know me
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I'd believe it.

I also can't believe the amount of junk food you eat and also throw away!
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« Reply #131 on: January 09, 2013, 12:13:57 pm »

You can't find me, yet I AM on facebook. What does that say  8)
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« Reply #132 on: January 09, 2013, 01:42:27 pm »

We should start accusing each other of running a mafia family on facebook and see how friends and family react. Actually I guess it's perfectly possible Ozle already runs a mafia family irl, dude has a lot on his plate.

I completely missed this first time round!

How dare you insult my family like this!

I'm going to get the Don to whack you!!

Erm...... I mean get the baker to send you a cake!
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« Reply #133 on: January 11, 2013, 11:35:33 pm »

So, when does this game start?  You didn't post anything in the first post, and I haven't seen anything else.
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« Reply #134 on: January 11, 2013, 11:59:10 pm »

Hang on, did I lose my spot?
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« Reply #135 on: January 12, 2013, 01:18:41 am »

Hang on, did I lose my spot?

In the game, or in line to mod?
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« Reply #136 on: January 12, 2013, 01:29:05 am »

In the game.
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« Reply #137 on: January 12, 2013, 01:30:49 am »

Slot #9 for you.

When should this start?  When Jimmmmmm's gets o N1?  Before?
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« Reply #138 on: January 12, 2013, 10:01:46 pm »

Slot #9 for you.

When should this start?  When Jimmmmmm's gets o N1?  Before?

I'd say when the newer players that are in other games give an O.K.
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« Reply #139 on: January 13, 2013, 12:08:50 am »

I do have something coming up this Friday evening to Saturday afternoon, so we could wait till after then if we wanted.
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« Reply #140 on: January 13, 2013, 01:39:17 am »

Also, I saw that on the role PM for the Mafia Roleblocker has the same win conditions as the people in the town.  Just wanted to make sure you notice.
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« Reply #141 on: January 13, 2013, 01:50:08 am »

Also, I saw that on the role PM for the Mafia Roleblocker has the same win conditions as the people in the town.  Just wanted to make sure you notice.

Thanks!  Fixed.
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« Reply #142 on: January 13, 2013, 01:30:13 pm »

Yea I don't want to confirm my in till I know when its going to start I only want to be playing two games at once possibly 3 and I sort of want to save those spots for super fun/bigger games. Actually screw it /in if im in a whole ton ill just be more newbie and lurk in this game.
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« Reply #143 on: January 13, 2013, 01:32:55 pm »

Also a few things I can clear up, if you new don't be scarred to join a vet game just only join one at a time. Everyone here is really nice and respectful of you being new.(*pssssst* they wont ever suspect your mafia and you'll win your first game flawlessly even though you got carried by your amazing scummates)
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« Reply #144 on: January 13, 2013, 01:34:48 pm »

Also a few things I can clear up, if you new don't be scarred to join a vet game just only join one at a time. Everyone here is really nice and respectful of you being new.(*pssssst* they wont ever suspect your mafia and you'll win your first game flawlessly even though you got carried by your amazing scummates)

False!  I suspected you!  It's just all those silly vets you don't have to worry about :)
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« Reply #145 on: January 13, 2013, 09:40:37 pm »

May i be in? Im a sorta newbie. Ive played a lot in real life but never online.
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« Reply #146 on: January 13, 2013, 09:45:10 pm »

May i be in? Im a sorta newbie. Ive played a lot in real life but never online.

Yay!  New guy!  Or gal?  New person!
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« Reply #147 on: January 13, 2013, 09:53:55 pm »

mail-mi is in.

So...I think this game won't start up for a bit, depending on how other games go and if Jimmmmm's starts.
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« Reply #148 on: January 13, 2013, 10:44:49 pm »

Wow, we're getting more newbies than I thought...

May i be in? Im a sorta newbie. Ive played a lot in real life but never online.

I've played a lot irl but I still would say I'm a newbie on here.
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« Reply #149 on: January 13, 2013, 10:55:28 pm »

May i be in? Im a sorta newbie. Ive played a lot in real life but never online.

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« Reply #150 on: January 13, 2013, 10:58:53 pm »

So 6 newbies confirmed.  Good times.
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« Reply #151 on: January 13, 2013, 11:12:40 pm »

Oooh, definitely a positive surprise!
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« Reply #152 on: January 13, 2013, 11:20:25 pm »

Looks like we're overfull, so I'm going to do the smart thing and /out to keep myself from overcommitting. If you think the demand for this to start is sufficiently high, you may jump ahead of me in the queue.
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« Reply #153 on: January 14, 2013, 12:23:50 am »

Some irony--my friend was blocked from signing up for f.ds due to the how much does Gold cost test!  He doesn't play Dominion, obviously.

Waiting for Major Arcana II to end and DS9 to go into Night 1/Day 2 at least before this starts.

I do think it'll be good to get this game going and finished so our newbie will feel comfortable joining other games, so I will start at that point if Jimmmmm's more complicated game isn't full.
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« Reply #154 on: January 14, 2013, 09:37:52 am »

Jim feel free to take my spot, I don't need to be in a newbie game and it will put me at 4 games at once :( don't wanna lurk hard and not give the newbies a good game
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« Reply #155 on: January 14, 2013, 10:26:21 am »

Samesies, I have a good number if games already, I'll gladly give up my spot for yuma or robz or for whoever really really want to play. Still in if I'm needed though, no worries.
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« Reply #156 on: January 14, 2013, 10:28:46 am »

... just checked the OP, seems there is room for me. Goood, but if you find another new player, I'd be happy to step aside.
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« Reply #157 on: January 14, 2013, 07:28:53 pm »

Soo definety going to /out I my 3rd game just started and Its getting difficult.
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« Reply #158 on: January 14, 2013, 07:29:46 pm »

Soo definety going to /out I my 3rd game just started and Its getting difficult.

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« Reply #159 on: January 14, 2013, 07:32:06 pm »

Fine I'm still in, mainly because I wanna play with liopoil more I feel like he's my newbie buddy
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« Reply #160 on: January 14, 2013, 07:32:31 pm »

And because I have my brothers addictive behavior to play this game.
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« Reply #161 on: January 14, 2013, 07:37:23 pm »

I met joth for drinks a little while ago and discovered he works a 10 minute walk from my apartment. I have not met Glooble but I can almost imagine what he looks like now.

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« Reply #162 on: January 14, 2013, 08:04:55 pm »

Fine I'm still in, mainly because I wanna play with liopoil more I feel like he's my newbie buddy

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« Reply #163 on: January 14, 2013, 09:16:50 pm »

I'm gonna have to /out sorry!
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« Reply #164 on: January 14, 2013, 09:39:47 pm »

I'm gonna have to /out sorry!

Nooooo!!!  Come back!!
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« Reply #165 on: January 14, 2013, 09:43:41 pm »

Jimmmmm is back in until mail-mi re-ins.
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« Reply #166 on: January 14, 2013, 09:45:12 pm »

Well I'm in 3 games of Mafia at the moment, and I really think that should be my limit. So I'll play if it starts after that number has dropped down to 2, but probably not otherwise.
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« Reply #167 on: January 14, 2013, 09:46:09 pm »

Well I'm in 3 games of Mafia at the moment, and I really think that should be my limit. So I'll play if it starts after that number has dropped down to 2, but probably not otherwise.

ZMX can't last more than two days, tops.  I mean, it's made that way.
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« Reply #168 on: January 14, 2013, 09:49:46 pm »

True true. Yep okay, I'll /in under the condition that it starts after that finishes. Well it can start before then if everyone's willing to give me a lurking pass until that's over.
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« Reply #169 on: January 14, 2013, 09:52:30 pm »

True true. Yep okay, I'll /in under the condition that it starts after that finishes. Well it can start before then if everyone's willing to give me a lurking pass until that's over.

Major Arcana II needs to end and DS9 needs to go to night first anyway.
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« Reply #170 on: January 14, 2013, 09:54:37 pm »

Also, mcmc's in the blitz game too, so he gets priority over me if he wants it.
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« Reply #171 on: January 14, 2013, 09:57:52 pm »

Also, mcmc's in the blitz game too, so he gets priority over me if he wants it.

mom salon is in this game, too.
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« Reply #172 on: January 14, 2013, 10:00:48 pm »

Oh gotcha. Saw the out but not the re-in.
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« Reply #173 on: January 17, 2013, 10:13:14 pm »

DS9 is moving along well, so I may start this up next week, if Jimmmmm's okay with that.

I rolled the set-up already, PMs can go out anytime.  I've double-checked if my friend is joining.  If not, maybe we find someone to fill in.
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« Reply #174 on: January 17, 2013, 10:17:16 pm »

I'm not sure what the rush is.  Why not let XX start first?

It's surprising that we got so many newbies, and I'd love to cater to their schedules if possible.
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« Reply #175 on: January 17, 2013, 10:21:25 pm »

I'm not sure what the rush is.  Why not let XX start first?

It's surprising that we got so many newbies, and I'd love to cater to their schedules if possible.

No rush, other than a dearth of games currently.

But really, this is for the newbies, not the rest.  I think some of them are without games (raerae, sudgy) or have few games ongoing (liopoil, mcmc, Jimmmmm), and one is brand new (my friend--two if mail-mi returns).  So I thought they'd like in on the action.

If they chime in with "wait, not next week!", then not next week.

Separately, if Jimmmmm's was close to filling, we could wait, but to the detriment of the newbies waiting, I think.  The idea floated by Ozle was a perma-open sign up for newbies that just auto-starts when full, but I don't think we'll get to nine newbies, so this was sort of the compromise.

But hey, anyone in the game is free to ask for it to be postponed.
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« Reply #176 on: January 17, 2013, 10:23:47 pm »

Early or mid/late-week next week?  This is totally selfish but I'd like a tiny break.  Plus lio and mcmc and others (?) are still alive in DS9 and we all know that's crazy with a capital Q.  What are everybody else's thoughts and feelings?
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« Reply #177 on: January 17, 2013, 10:24:52 pm »

Early or mid/late-week next week?  This is totally selfish but I'd like a tiny break.  Plus lio and mcmc and others (?) are still alive in DS9 and we all know that's crazy with a capital Q.  What are everybody else's thoughts and feelings?

I was thinking PMs on Monday, game start on Wednesday.  Or something like that.
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« Reply #178 on: January 17, 2013, 10:26:36 pm »

Early or mid/late-week next week?  This is totally selfish but I'd like a tiny break.  Plus lio and mcmc and others (?) are still alive in DS9 and we all know that's crazy with a capital Q.  What are everybody else's thoughts and feelings?

I was thinking PMs on Monday, game start on Wednesday.  Or something like that.

I feel like the newer newbies should have more say than I do.
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« Reply #179 on: January 17, 2013, 10:43:50 pm »

I'm stilll getting used to DS9..... I'd prefer it if this didn't start at least till next weekend... that game is insanity.
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« Reply #180 on: January 17, 2013, 10:55:23 pm »

I'm stilll getting used to DS9..... I'd prefer it if this didn't start at least till next weekend... that game is insanity.

That game is, in fact, tough.

This one I promise will be easier for everyone.  It can wait a week, no problem.
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« Reply #181 on: January 18, 2013, 12:02:44 am »

I'll be fine, as long as it isn't in the next couple days (which it doesn't seem to be heading to) (and I would be fine, it's just I would be gone for a bit).

I think some of them are without games (raerae, sudgy)

I've decided only one game at a time (especially at the beginning).  I know people do more, but I don't want to overcommit, and I want to be safe.
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« Reply #182 on: January 18, 2013, 04:06:27 pm »

Alright, I'm back /in. Couldn't help it.
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« Reply #183 on: January 18, 2013, 06:31:48 pm »

Alright, I'm back /in. Couldn't help it.

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« Reply #184 on: January 20, 2013, 01:49:43 pm »

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« Reply #185 on: January 20, 2013, 02:00:21 pm »

Holy newbie explosion!  Love it!
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« Reply #186 on: January 20, 2013, 05:06:47 pm »

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« Reply #187 on: January 21, 2013, 12:20:11 pm »

I'm a new newbie.  Thanks for the welcome!
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« Reply #188 on: January 21, 2013, 12:25:53 pm »

is this getting big enough to have 2 newbie games going? Perhaps start one now with people that are ready and start the next a little bit after? I don't know. Just a thought. I--or someone else--could run the other one if you wanted to play in it.

Or do we want a game with only newbies? Both are good with me, just throwing out options.
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« Reply #189 on: January 21, 2013, 05:05:53 pm »

I think a full newbie game would be entertaining to watch, and hopefully fun to play.
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« Reply #190 on: January 21, 2013, 05:11:36 pm »

the OP now has 11 players listed: has it been expanded to be an 11 player game or is it just to be able to list the veterans who have signed up but might not be able to play?
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« Reply #191 on: January 21, 2013, 05:18:59 pm »

I'm obviously out if we have newer guys to play in my stead.
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« Reply #192 on: January 21, 2013, 05:25:10 pm »

I think a full newbie game would be entertaining to watch, and hopefully fun to play.

I agree... I guess the question is for the newbies... would they rather play with some vets or with all new playes? If they want to play with vets, then I suggest breaking it up and reqruiting a few more vets and starting them both at the same time... Robz I guess could even be in both if he wanted.
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« Reply #193 on: January 21, 2013, 05:38:40 pm »

It might be fun to just have this be an ALL newbie game I guess.
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« Reply #194 on: January 21, 2013, 06:14:15 pm »

While this is my first time playing mafia on a forum, it isn't my first time playing mafia.  (I'm sure this is the case for a few other's, too.)  So it won't be like a complete newbie game.
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« Reply #195 on: January 21, 2013, 06:31:55 pm »

the OP now has 11 players listed: has it been expanded to be an 11 player game or is it just to be able to list the veterans who have signed up but might not be able to play?

Just keeping a running list.  The game is 9 players.

I plan to send PMs tomorrow and start the game on Thursday.  Is that okay with people?
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« Reply #196 on: January 21, 2013, 06:43:01 pm »

I plan to send PMs tomorrow and start the game on Thursday.  Is that okay with people?

I'm fine.
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« Reply #197 on: January 21, 2013, 06:48:56 pm »

I plan to send PMs tomorrow and start the game on Thursday.  Is that okay with people?

I'm fine.

This is not the correct response what you MEANT to say is


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« Reply #198 on: January 21, 2013, 07:35:56 pm »

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« Reply #199 on: January 21, 2013, 07:38:27 pm »

Where are all these newbies coming from! This is fantastic!
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« Reply #200 on: January 21, 2013, 07:40:48 pm »

One more newbie and its 100% newbies.
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« Reply #201 on: January 21, 2013, 07:44:19 pm »

One more newbie and its 100% newbies.

I'm almost hoping for this.
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« Reply #202 on: January 21, 2013, 07:44:59 pm »

One more newbie and its 100% newbies.

I'm almost hoping for this.

I have a plan for how to determine which vet gets the last slot, if they are all online at the same time.
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« Reply #203 on: January 21, 2013, 07:46:18 pm »

One more newbie and its 100% newbies.

I'm almost hoping for this.

I have a plan for how to determine which vet gets the last slot, if they are all online at the same time.

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« Reply #204 on: January 21, 2013, 07:46:27 pm »

Huge props to ashersky for luring all these new guys in!
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« Reply #205 on: January 21, 2013, 07:46:56 pm »

plus I can be a backup, and /in into Ozle's game...
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« Reply #206 on: January 21, 2013, 07:47:42 pm »

and /in into Ozle's game...

A THOUSAND TIMES YES!
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and /in into Ozle's game...

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« Reply #208 on: January 22, 2013, 03:34:36 pm »

I plan to send PMs tomorrow and start the game on Thursday.  Is that okay with people?

I'm fine.

Works for me.
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« Reply #209 on: January 22, 2013, 03:36:07 pm »

I don't promise amazing things from me in this game ill be in 2 or 3 other games
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« Reply #210 on: January 22, 2013, 04:29:11 pm »

PMs going out shortly.  Final roster updated in P1.  Jimmmmm and Robz are the vets in the game.  EJXD2, my friend, is out for this game, after three prods with no confirmation.
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« Reply #211 on: January 22, 2013, 04:31:22 pm »

EFHW friends of you as well?
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« Reply #212 on: January 22, 2013, 04:38:12 pm »

Please confirm receipt of your PM in thread by writing "/confirmed".  Otherwise, thread is locked.  Consider this pre-game/Night 0.
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« Reply #213 on: January 22, 2013, 04:55:42 pm »

/confirmed
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/confirmed
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/confirmed
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« Reply #217 on: January 22, 2013, 05:03:28 pm »

/confirmed
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« Reply #218 on: January 22, 2013, 05:07:51 pm »

/Confirmed

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« Reply #219 on: January 22, 2013, 05:12:39 pm »

sorry about that signature.. didnt think it would be so big!  is this okay?
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sorry about that signature.. didnt think it would be so big!  is this okay?

Definitely better.
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« Reply #221 on: January 22, 2013, 05:48:12 pm »

/confirmed
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« Reply #222 on: January 22, 2013, 05:54:20 pm »

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« Reply #225 on: January 22, 2013, 07:29:12 pm »

That's everyone confirmed.  I'll lock the thread.  Day 1 will begin tomorrow around 4:30 p.m.

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« Reply #226 on: January 22, 2013, 07:48:00 pm »

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Voltgloss: 3
Dsell: 3
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Cuzz: 2
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« Reply #227 on: January 23, 2013, 04:32:59 pm »

Something about the room they had gathering in reminded them of a cliché.  Each of the guests had received an invitation, from whom they didn’t know.  It had contained instructions on where to go, but not what to expect.

A butler had let them in.  His name was Jorbles.  He led them into the dining room as they arrived, offered them free reign at the bar along the wall, politely pointed out the view.

“Welcome, everyone.”

Their heads shot collectively toward the door, where their host, ashersky, now stood.  He wore a smoking jacket and held a glass of wine.

“Please, sit.”

They found seats at the long dining table, made of a bloodily dark mahogany.  They stared at the end of the table expectantly.

“Thank you for coming, everyone.  Some of you may recognize others here.  Some of you may not.  Let me introduce you all.  EFHW, Jimmmmm, Kooshie, liopoil, mail-mi, mcmcsalot, raerae, Robz888, and sudgy, I have gathered you all here today for a very important reason.”

Ashersky paused to take a sip of wine.

“You are not all here to help.  I know that already.  But it couldn’t be helped.  The danger to the city is just too high not to risk it.  Friends, we must”

The lights went out.  They could hear some commotion, but could see nothing.  The lights came back on, slowly.  Ashersky was gone.


Day 1 has begun.  With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Deadline is 4:30 p.m. forum time, Monday February 4.
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #228 on: January 23, 2013, 04:36:25 pm »

Vote Count 1.0:

Not Voting (9): EFHW, Jimmmmm, Kooshie, liopoil, mail-mi, mcmcsalot, raerae, Robz888, sudgy

Deadline is 4:30 p.m., forum time, on Monday, February 4.
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #229 on: January 23, 2013, 04:38:50 pm »

Ash has been nightkilled, oh no! okay, which one of you did it?
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #230 on: January 23, 2013, 04:40:09 pm »

"I hope Master ashersky is alright. I hope there hasn't been another... murder.

I mean a... murder."
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #231 on: January 23, 2013, 04:41:35 pm »

Vote: lio for picking on our friendly mod.
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #232 on: January 23, 2013, 04:44:14 pm »

Ash has been nightkilled, oh no! okay, which one of you did it?
I think you know...
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #233 on: January 23, 2013, 04:44:55 pm »

Unvote. Didn't read the flavour hehe. Vote: EFHW to how he reacts. Also, what the heck does EFHW mean?
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #234 on: January 23, 2013, 04:45:31 pm »

friendly DEAD mod  :(
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #235 on: January 23, 2013, 04:45:49 pm »

Screw that. Vote: Kooshie for the terrible signature. RVS is fun!
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #236 on: January 23, 2013, 04:48:20 pm »

Screw that. Vote: Kooshie for the terrible signature. RVS is fun!
Vote: Jimmmmm for not liking my signature.  But I got rid of it anyway.
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #237 on: January 23, 2013, 04:49:54 pm »

Unvote. Didn't read the flavour hehe. Vote: EFHW to how he reacts. Also, what the heck does EFHW mean?

I'm a she actually.

EFHW doesn't mean anything in particular.  I use it for online games. 

But.... regarding your vote for me, I'm flattered. 
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #238 on: January 23, 2013, 04:51:06 pm »

Screw that. Vote: Kooshie for the terrible signature. RVS is fun!
Vote: Jimmmmm for not liking my signature.  But I got rid of it anyway.

No, I didn't want you to do that! Just wanted something to tease you about.
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #239 on: January 23, 2013, 04:53:29 pm »

woah vote kooshie for that omgus
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #240 on: January 23, 2013, 04:53:50 pm »

vote: kooshie whoops*
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #241 on: January 23, 2013, 04:54:23 pm »

VOTE: mail-mi 'cause he/she seems to like mail.
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #242 on: January 23, 2013, 04:54:38 pm »

Hello.

Important information for new players:

I am Robz888. I am the most frequent player of Forum Mafia; I have played every single game hosted here. Mcmcsalot is my brother, who recently joined the community.

Jimm and raerae are newer players, but I've already gotten to know them fairly well. Liopoil, too, to a lesser extent.

Kooshie, sudgy, Efhw, and mail-mi: I do not know you at all. Could each of you state your familiarity with the game of mafia, your relationship to anyone else on the fourm (if any), and your gender (if you prefer one?). Thanks.
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #243 on: January 23, 2013, 04:56:27 pm »

@EFHW, can we just call you eefoo?
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #244 on: January 23, 2013, 04:58:52 pm »

@EFHW, can we just call you eefoo?

I wasn't asked if I could be called mom salon! but actually efoo would be much easier
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #245 on: January 23, 2013, 04:59:54 pm »

Screw that. Vote: Kooshie for the terrible signature. RVS is fun!
Vote: Jimmmmm for not liking my signature.  But I got rid of it anyway.

No, I didn't want you to do that! Just wanted something to tease you about.
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #246 on: January 23, 2013, 05:02:26 pm »

VOTE: Jimmmmm for messing with my name.  Actually, it's fine.

@Robz888 total newbie, but I read the wiki and am following liopoil's other game.  I've played Werewolf irl.
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #247 on: January 23, 2013, 05:03:25 pm »

Screw that. Vote: Kooshie for the terrible signature. RVS is fun!
Vote: Jimmmmm for not liking my signature.  But I got rid of it anyway.

No, I didn't want you to do that! Just wanted something to tease you about.
okay I'll put something back in my signature

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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #248 on: January 23, 2013, 05:05:10 pm »

It's gone again! This is freaking me out.
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #249 on: January 23, 2013, 05:34:33 pm »

Unvote. Didn't read the flavour hehe. Vote: EFHW to how he reacts. Also, what the heck does EFHW mean?

I'm a she actually.

EFHW doesn't mean anything in particular.  I use it for online games. 

But.... regarding your vote for me, I'm flattered.

Another girl?  Yay!!
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #250 on: January 23, 2013, 05:35:07 pm »

@EFHW, can we just call you eefoo?

I wasn't asked if I could be called mom salon! but actually efoo would be much easier

That's because, well, who wouldn't want to be called mom salon??
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #251 on: January 23, 2013, 05:58:19 pm »

Question (either directed at Jimmmmm, Robz, or the mods, whoever answers first):  If mafia chooses to NK a doctor/cop/etc., does town get to know the result of the doctor/cop/etc. night actions if they were performed?  Assuming no mafia roleblocker was involved.

Also, what are people's thoughts if we have a doctor/cop/etc. and they have results from night actions?  When, if ever, should they make those result known?

Please try not to read too far into this, I just reread the set-up and was wondering and am hoping it will get some conversation flowing.
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #252 on: January 23, 2013, 06:00:45 pm »

Question (either directed at Jimmmmm, Robz, or the mods, whoever answers first):  If mafia chooses to NK a doctor/cop/etc., does town get to know the result of the doctor/cop/etc. night actions if they were performed?  Assuming no mafia roleblocker was involved.

If a player dies during the night, at day start the town will be informed of the death and that player's alignment and role.  If the player that was killed was a power role, they will not be able to say anything about their actions because they will be dead.
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #253 on: January 23, 2013, 06:05:40 pm »

Question (either directed at Jimmmmm, Robz, or the mods, whoever answers first):  If mafia chooses to NK a doctor/cop/etc., does town get to know the result of the doctor/cop/etc. night actions if they were performed?  Assuming no mafia roleblocker was involved.

Also, what are people's thoughts if we have a doctor/cop/etc. and they have results from night actions?  When, if ever, should they make those result known?

Please try not to read too far into this, I just reread the set-up and was wondering and am hoping it will get some conversation flowing.

I would go ahead and say a cop should only identify themselves if they got a scum result, medic should probably always stay secret. Question to the mod if the medic saves a person from an NK what will be said.
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #254 on: January 23, 2013, 06:08:19 pm »

Question (either directed at Jimmmmm, Robz, or the mods, whoever answers first):  If mafia chooses to NK a doctor/cop/etc., does town get to know the result of the doctor/cop/etc. night actions if they were performed?  Assuming no mafia roleblocker was involved.

Also, what are people's thoughts if we have a doctor/cop/etc. and they have results from night actions?  When, if ever, should they make those result known?

Please try not to read too far into this, I just reread the set-up and was wondering and am hoping it will get some conversation flowing.

Absolutely, these are goo things for the newbies to know, too.

If you are a Cop, and you receive a scum result, you should immediately come forward.

If you receive a town result, you should remain silent. If the player you received a town result on is looking like the person we are going to lynch, try to argue forcefully against this lynch without giving away that you are the Cop. It is probably preferable for that person to be lynched, rather than to lose your cover.

If the Cop comes forward, and there is a Doctor, it is imperative that the Doctor remain secret, and protect the Cop. If there is a Jailkeeper instead of a Doctor, you may still consider jailing the Cop to keep him safe, maybe 50% of the time.
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #255 on: January 23, 2013, 06:08:45 pm »

And if someone claims a role, and you know they are lying because you are that role, you MUST come forward.
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #256 on: January 23, 2013, 06:10:43 pm »

Question to the mod if the medic saves a person from an NK what will be said.

If no players die during the night, at day start the town will be informed of that, and nothing else.
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #257 on: January 23, 2013, 06:12:44 pm »

so I think the medic should treat saving someone the same way cop treats finding town, if they are going to be lynched argue for them but don't come out as medic.
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #258 on: January 23, 2013, 06:16:27 pm »


If you are a Cop, and you receive a scum result, you should immediately come forward.


Is there benefit to seeing how the day plays out instead of claiming right away?  My thoughts are that town may benefit from more interaction, possibly find their scum friend? 

New folks, any ideas?
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #259 on: January 23, 2013, 06:19:09 pm »


If you are a Cop, and you receive a scum result, you should immediately come forward.


Is there benefit to seeing how the day plays out instead of claiming right away?  My thoughts are that town may benefit from more interaction, possibly find their scum friend? 

New folks, any ideas?

this is a great idea, obviously don't let the day drag too some ridiculous point,(I doubt that will happen here) but let them interact with people
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #260 on: January 23, 2013, 06:25:54 pm »


If you are a Cop, and you receive a scum result, you should immediately come forward.


Is there benefit to seeing how the day plays out instead of claiming right away?  My thoughts are that town may benefit from more interaction, possibly find their scum friend? 

New folks, any ideas?

this is a great idea, obviously don't let the day drag too some ridiculous point,(I doubt that will happen here) but let them interact with people

What are you talking about mcmc?  Days never drag on too long...
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #261 on: January 23, 2013, 06:34:05 pm »

so I think the medic should treat saving someone the same way cop treats finding town, if they are going to be lynched argue for them but don't come out as medic.

What? The medic doesn't end up knowing things the way the cop does. If the medic saves someone and nobody dies, it could be because the Jailkeeper jailed the killer or victim.

If you know there's no JK, and there is a Cop, then yeah, a Doctor who saves someone and then no one dies knows that person is innocent.
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #262 on: January 23, 2013, 06:35:20 pm »

But no jail keeper in this set-up, correct?
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« Reply #263 on: January 23, 2013, 06:36:46 pm »

This game will use the F11 set-up.  (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=F11)

The set-up will be chosen at random from these four options:

1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Sane Cop, 1 Doctor, 5 Townies.
1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 7 Townies.
2 Mafia Goons, 1 Sane Cop, 6 Townies.
2 Mafia Goons, 1 Doctor, 6 Townies.


yea this is it.
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #264 on: January 23, 2013, 06:38:13 pm »

But no jail keeper in this set-up, correct?

Oh, jeez. Sorry. I assumed this was the normal setup. It's a different one. Okay. Interesting. Ignore everything I said about a Jailkeeper.
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« Reply #265 on: January 23, 2013, 06:52:44 pm »

Hello.

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I am Robz888. I am the most frequent player of Forum Mafia; I have played every single game hosted here. Mcmcsalot is my brother, who recently joined the community.

Jimm and raerae are newer players, but I've already gotten to know them fairly well. Liopoil, too, to a lesser extent.

Kooshie, sudgy, Efhw, and mail-mi: I do not know you at all. Could each of you state your familiarity with the game of mafia, your relationship to anyone else on the fourm (if any), and your gender (if you prefer one?). Thanks.

Hey I'm mail-mi, I'm male (mail, get it?). I own the game Werewolf (different version of Mafia, if you don't know) and I love it. I'm usually the mod. irl, so I know how rl mafia works. I don't have any relationship to really anybody on the forum.

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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #266 on: January 23, 2013, 06:54:49 pm »

VOTE: mail-mi 'cause he/she seems to like mail.

Aww, come on!

P.S. mail is there for an entirely different purpose. I like email much more than mail ;D
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #267 on: January 23, 2013, 07:19:40 pm »

you say that if a cop comes forward and you are the doctor you should protect the cop. I'm not so sure about this. if there is a cop and doc then there is also a role-blocker. roleblocker will block the cop, so maybe it is worth saving somebody else. Not sure about this though... This makes the cop less valuable, because once the cop hits scum once there is a 50-50 chance that the cop will never get another result. unless we lynch the roleblocker. If the roleblocker is lynched and you are the cop you should come forward and the doc will protect you, at which point town will be well on its way to victory :D.

Theory talk over. RVS time.

Vote: sudgy for being the last one to post. this is only 99.9% RVS.
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #268 on: January 23, 2013, 07:43:46 pm »

@lio, I am, admittedly, terrible at math.  Can you spell out how you came up with 50/50 probability here? 

@mail-mi, how do you anticipate forum mafia being different than IRL?  Other than the obvious: lacking visuals. 
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #269 on: January 23, 2013, 08:08:50 pm »

if there is a cop then there are two possible scenarios, 2 goons, 1 cop, 6 townies, or 1 goon, one roleblocker, 1 cop, 1 doc, 5 townies. the if there is a roleblocker he will block the cop once he has come forward. Of these two scenarios, one has a roleblocker, one doesn't. so 50/50 chance of cop being blocked forever. Actually now that I think about it if there ISN'T a roleblocker then scum will NK the cop, so when a cop gets a scum result, that will be their last result.
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #270 on: January 23, 2013, 08:18:26 pm »

if there is a cop then there are two possible scenarios, 2 goons, 1 cop, 6 townies, or 1 goon, one roleblocker, 1 cop, 1 doc, 5 townies. the if there is a roleblocker he will block the cop once he has come forward. Of these two scenarios, one has a roleblocker, one doesn't. so 50/50 chance of cop being blocked forever. Actually now that I think about it if there ISN'T a roleblocker then scum will NK the cop, so when a cop gets a scum result, that will be their last result.

wow very good catch, any thoughts on cop waiting to get two results if they get a scum result on night 1?
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #271 on: January 23, 2013, 08:31:08 pm »

Hello.

Important information for new players:

I am Robz888. I am the most frequent player of Forum Mafia; I have played every single game hosted here. Mcmcsalot is my brother, who recently joined the community.

Jimm and raerae are newer players, but I've already gotten to know them fairly well. Liopoil, too, to a lesser extent.

Kooshie, sudgy, Efhw, and mail-mi: I do not know you at all. Could each of you state your familiarity with the game of mafia, your relationship to anyone else on the fourm (if any), and your gender (if you prefer one?). Thanks.

I've played a lot irl.  I tend to be one of the better-ish players in my group.  I don't know anyone else on the forum (at least that I'm aware of), and I'm male.

Vote: sudgy for being the last one to post. this is only 99.9% RVS.

I just forgot that it started today.  I did some work, played dominion, then thought, "Oh yeah!  It starts today!"


As for who's scum, I have no idea.  I'll refrain from voting for now.
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #272 on: January 23, 2013, 08:39:16 pm »

Wait a second!  Are we still in RVS? 

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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #273 on: January 23, 2013, 08:41:57 pm »

@mail-mi, how do you anticipate forum mafia being different than IRL?  Other than the obvious: lacking visuals.

Actually, I'm already noticing a big difference.  When playing irl, I'm forced to observe everything.  On here, I have to force myself to observe everything.  I didn't expect this much of a difference...  (and I know, we've barely started.)
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #274 on: January 23, 2013, 08:43:41 pm »

Alright, to do more:

Vote: raerae for asking a lot of questions.
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #275 on: January 23, 2013, 08:44:36 pm »

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Kooshie (2): Jimmmmm, mcmcsalot
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raerae (1): sudgy

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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #276 on: January 23, 2013, 08:53:21 pm »

Alright, to do more:

Vote: raerae for asking a lot of questions.

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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #277 on: January 23, 2013, 09:30:01 pm »

if there is a cop then there are two possible scenarios, 2 goons, 1 cop, 6 townies, or 1 goon, one roleblocker, 1 cop, 1 doc, 5 townies. the if there is a roleblocker he will block the cop once he has come forward. Of these two scenarios, one has a roleblocker, one doesn't. so 50/50 chance of cop being blocked forever. Actually now that I think about it if there ISN'T a roleblocker then scum will NK the cop, so when a cop gets a scum result, that will be their last result.

wow very good catch, any thoughts on cop waiting to get two results if they get a scum result on night 1?

I'd say no.  The chances of hitting scum again in your next inquiry are small and the benefits of knowing are high, so it's pro-town to claim before the next vote.  What do the more experienced players think?
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #278 on: January 23, 2013, 09:56:31 pm »

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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #279 on: January 23, 2013, 11:05:20 pm »

if there is a cop then there are two possible scenarios, 2 goons, 1 cop, 6 townies, or 1 goon, one roleblocker, 1 cop, 1 doc, 5 townies. the if there is a roleblocker he will block the cop once he has come forward. Of these two scenarios, one has a roleblocker, one doesn't. so 50/50 chance of cop being blocked forever. Actually now that I think about it if there ISN'T a roleblocker then scum will NK the cop, so when a cop gets a scum result, that will be their last result.

wow very good catch, any thoughts on cop waiting to get two results if they get a scum result on night 1?

I'd say no.  The chances of hitting scum again in your next inquiry are small and the benefits of knowing are high, so it's pro-town to claim before the next vote.  What do the more experienced players think?

I just wouldn't want to chance the NK while sitting on valuable information.
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Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)
« Reply #280 on: January 23, 2013, 11:22:33 pm »

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