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Which is the card you hate the most?
« on: June 17, 2011, 09:59:52 am »
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Which is the card that annoys you the most when you see it in the deck and opponent is going for it and successfully using it?

Mine is smugglers:i hate that one builds his deck based on what takes his opponent rather than his own plan, of course sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. If we both go for smugglers it leads to pretty miserable game.

Which cards makes you curse as you see it?

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Re: Which is the card you hate the most?
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2011, 10:10:50 am »
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Swindler for sure!
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Re: Which is the card you hate the most?
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2011, 10:14:37 am »
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Ambassador. I also don't like Black Market and tournament, among several others. But those are probably the top 3.

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Re: Which is the card you hate the most?
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2011, 10:17:07 am »
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Saboteur.  Makes for an ugly, ugly game.
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Re: Which is the card you hate the most?
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2011, 10:37:40 am »
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Swindler for sure!
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Re: Which is the card you hate the most?
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2011, 10:54:04 am »
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Ambassador. I'll never get along with it...
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Re: Which is the card you hate the most?
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2011, 10:54:16 am »
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Which is the card that annoys you the most when you see it in the deck and opponent is going for it and successfully using it?

Mine is smugglers:i hate that one builds his deck based on what takes his opponent rather than his own plan, of course sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. If we both go for smugglers it leads to pretty miserable game.

Which cards makes you curse as you see it?

I agree that smugglers is annoying..  "I worked for that gold, and he just got it for free!"

There's a list of cards that I don't especially like, saboteur, Treasure Map, swindler, etc.  But the only cards I usually decline are possession games, just because it's obnoxious..  and my most hated card for sure is Pirate Ship.
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Re: Which is the card you hate the most?
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2011, 11:08:14 am »
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Smugglers does not bother me that much, as I try to time buying an important $5 or $6 card with when it's coming up in their deck, and, even if they get it, it doesn't usually hit well that often.

Possession is extremely annoying.  I lost to a level 0 player by one point after being ahead 3 Provinces when they King's Courted Possession.  I felt like I was being punished for having an efficient deck (or just being punished for failing to account for the possibility that KC + Possession could cause a huge swing, but that's another point).  And if both players have Possession and the kingdom cards are such that they're sabotaging their deck to prevent the other player from getting a big turn, well, that's not a whole lot of fun, is it? 

I'd have to go with Treasure Map.  I'd play with any of the other cards mentioned any day over Treasure Map.  When Treasure Map is in play, it brings back memories of games like Phase 10, where I'm praying for that Wild card to come along to complete my run.  Yes, sometimes there are cards in play that can help you make trashing two copies go quicker, but I'd rather just leave it out entirely.   

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Re: Which is the card you hate the most?
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2011, 11:18:46 am »
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Smugglers AINEC. Pretty annoying when someone is leaching off your buys.

The only positive is that a lot of the people who abuse smugglers end up bloating their deck too much IME.
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Re: Which is the card you hate the most?
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2011, 11:22:01 am »
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Treasure Map is number one for me, simply because it's "easy to get" for my opponents, and can win them the game outright if they're lucky.

Possession is a close 2nd for much the same reason. My current possession strategy is basically to make sure my deck never gets 'too good.' Rush green, try to pad my lead while intentionally cluttering my deck by taking duchies earlier than I otherwise would. It just generally makes for a very unsatisfying game, win or lose. Multiplayer is even worse because the value of Possession varies depending on the strength of the opponent behind you.
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Re: Which is the card you hate the most?
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2011, 11:27:58 am »
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There are a number of anti-Possession deck types:

1. The really fast deck. Get a huge lead before the Possessions can catch up.

2. The really slow deck. Possessing a Gardens deck is usually not worth very much.

3. The really nasty deck. You want to Possess my Goons/Mountebank/Torturer? Much good may it do you.
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Re: Which is the card you hate the most?
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2011, 11:28:59 am »
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Possession and Familiar are the top offenders for me, but Possession is actually proposed, so I voted for that. Anybody who's been on the recieving end of Possession/Golem deck understands how horrible this card is to play against. Worst of all, I think people are overvaluing because of how horrible it feels when someone plays it, and are playing it more than they should, especially considering it is incredibly hard to get. I see people going for Possession as they only Potion card, and it should please me, because they lose so much time I'm likely to win, but it still annoys me because they're going to play it at some point.

As for Familiar, well, I actually think, now that I analyse it, that it's worse than Possession. The feeling of having 2 and a Potion on second turn of a Familiar game is just that horrible. It's turn 3, and you've basically already lost. At least with Possession, you're only losing on turn 15 or so.

I used to hate Treasure Map, but I don't anymore, because the card is just weak. Sure, you can get lucky, and it's annoying when it happens, but more often than not, seeing my opponent buy Treasure Map when no enablers are available is a pretty good sign.

I'm not sure what's so frustrating with Smugglers though. Sure, it's a variance card that can be frustrating at times, but I don't see it being anywhere the other cards mentionned it, or other not mentioned such as Sea Hag or Ghost Ship.

Edit : reading those answers, I have to agree with Swindler and Tournament being really up there too.
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Re: Which is the card you hate the most?
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2011, 11:33:44 am »
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Maybe I'm the only one, but I actually like possession. Jack Rudd points out that there are a lot of ways of dealing with possession on board. I find that often my opponents don't grasp this.

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Re: Which is the card you hate the most?
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2011, 11:36:55 am »
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My beef with possession is that I like to actually play the game, which I don't get to do when possession is being used.  Particularly when there's a KC on the board, but also if there's something as simple as Village to get two off in a single round.  I don't understand why outpost has the "no more than two turns" clause, but possession does not.  Just adding that line of text would make me hate the card much, much less.
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Re: Which is the card you hate the most?
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2011, 12:00:19 pm »
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I voted other because I hate tournament, but I can understand the frustration at possession; it's just not fun when the other person takes 4 turns in a row. I feel like possession would be a lot less hated if it had the outpost wording to prevent things like a king's courted possession.
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Re: Which is the card you hate the most?
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2011, 12:04:29 pm »
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The only time I hate Possession is when Ambassador and/or Masquerade are on the board.  Normally I love seeing Possession, because I'm quite possibly better at defending against Possession than any other skill in Dominion.  Seriously, I have a better win rate when I don't buy Possession than when I *do* gain a Trusty Steed.

As for Saboteur, Smugglers, and Treasure Map?  They're swingy, but most of the time they're just too weak for me to care.

The card I hate above all else is Torturer.  It's a powerful card that leads to really unfun games if your opponent gets his/her chain off first, and I'm actually very bad at constructing Torturer chains, so that happens a lot.
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Re: Which is the card you hate the most?
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2011, 12:17:16 pm »
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The card I hate above all else is Torturer.  It's a powerful card that leads to really unfun games if your opponent gets his/her chain off first, and I'm actually very bad at constructing Torturer chains, so that happens a lot.

I feel the same way about Ghost Ship.
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Re: Which is the card you hate the most?
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2011, 12:20:10 pm »
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I used to really hate Goons and Minions for the same reason - I thought they forced you into a particular stratey any time they were on the board. I'm not a huge fan of boards that force a mirror match. Lately, though, I've found myself learning ways to counter Goons players without buying Goons, and I find the card annoys me a lot less. Same with the Minion.

I guess Saboteur is the most annoying card for me. I actually love Smugglers. I love the randomness it adds to the game.
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Re: Which is the card you hate the most?
« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2011, 12:44:09 pm »
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I am fine with all those cards, though Possession is a little *annoying* with King's Court out.

I actually really like Smugglers.  It helps alleviate the Turn 5 Wins that I loathe so much. 

I am OK with Treasure Map because the only people who buy it without support are bad enough that their chances of hitting the Maps are tiny.

I'm generally OK with Swindler, though I can see why people hate it.  Ditto for Tournament.

The cards I dislike most:

1. Familiar.  This card can be reworded to read: After Turn 2, roll 1d6.  If you roll 2 or lower, you lose, unless your opponent also rolled 2 or lower.

2. Scrying Pool/Golem.  Games take forever!

3. King's Court, when coupled with attacks.

4. Torturer with cheap +Actions.

5. Baron, since the 33% chance of not hitting your Estate is the difference between Gold and a crap $4 buy.
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Re: Which is the card you hate the most?
« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2011, 12:44:41 pm »
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While being on the bad end of Possession and Torturer chains are no fun, I have to agree that what annoys me most is being Ghost Shipped every turn.  There are decent counters, like Menagerie, Scout, wishing Well, Scout, or Apothecary but without something like this I will usually concede after three or four turns in a row of GS.
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Re: Which is the card you hate the most?
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2011, 12:44:57 pm »
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The card I hate above all else is Torturer.  It's a powerful card that leads to really unfun games if your opponent gets his/her chain off first, and I'm actually very bad at constructing Torturer chains, so that happens a lot.

I feel the same way about Ghost Ship.
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Re: Which is the card you hate the most?
« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2011, 01:38:12 pm »
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1. Familiar.  This card can be reworded to read: After Turn 2, roll 1d6.  If you roll 2 or lower, you lose, unless your opponent also rolled 2 or lower.

There's actually quite a few of these cards or situations...
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Re: Which is the card you hate the most?
« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2011, 01:58:54 pm »
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I dislike cards that tend to reduce the number of viable strategies on the board to 1. Witch, Mountebank, and Torturer (if chaining is allowed) are the biggest offenders of this, and those are the last three cards I want to see when playing a level <20 player, especially Mountebank.

Cards like Possession actually have a significant strategy built around them, so even though they randomize the game a bit, I actually like the card. I think level < 25 players typically do not grasp how to play a Possession game.
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Re: Which is the card you hate the most?
« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2011, 02:08:24 pm »
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I'm surprised swindler and black market didn't make the list of options.  Personally, for the way it affects the game's outcome, I hate swindler the most, it's the most random card along with saboteur, but saboteur is expensive, doesn't give the opponent money, and doesn't also put crap back in your deck.  Possession I also don't like, but a lot of it is because of how long it takes between turns once it gets going, and being able to possess someone 3+ times in a row is silly - time for a 15 minute break if that happens (decks obviously strong and cycling if you can do that).  Not likely to have a chance anymore after someone gets 4 turns either.
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Re: Which is the card you hate the most?
« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2011, 02:27:01 pm »
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I dislike cards that tend to reduce the number of viable strategies on the board to 1. Witch, Mountebank, and Torturer (if chaining is allowed) are the biggest offenders of this, and those are the last three cards I want to see when playing a level <20 player, especially Mountebank.

If you're talking about cards that reduce the board to 1 strategy, don't forget goons, familiar and the most annoying of all... minion.  If course, you can always overlap these cards and the game becomes a bit more interesting... but incredibly brutal.

Swindler is the worst card to have vs weak players imo.  On the other hand, the almost as random saboteur is a card I don't want to see vs good players.
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