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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #400 on: August 10, 2013, 05:39:44 pm »
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Just last night I played a clearly less experienced player.
I opened pot-silver, aiming for familiars. He opened moneylender-silver.
My pot missed the reshuffle and was paired with 2 copper / 2 estate.
My opponent is buying just random cards.
My opponent gets a potion during his 3rd deck cycle.
He wins the curse split EIGHT to TWO. Also wins the game by 4 points despite being pretty bad.

Games like this make me question why I even like Dominion.
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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #401 on: August 10, 2013, 05:47:33 pm »
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Just last night I played a clearly less experienced player.
I opened pot-silver, aiming for familiars. He opened moneylender-silver.
My pot missed the reshuffle and was paired with 2 copper / 2 estate.
My opponent is buying just random cards.
My opponent gets a potion during his 3rd deck cycle.
He wins the curse split EIGHT to TWO. Also wins the game by 4 points despite being pretty bad.

Games like this make me question why I even like Dominion.
The real question is, why were you buying pot?
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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #402 on: August 10, 2013, 06:41:37 pm »
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Just last night I played a clearly less experienced player.
I opened pot-silver, aiming for familiars. He opened moneylender-silver.
My pot missed the reshuffle and was paired with 2 copper / 2 estate.
My opponent is buying just random cards.
My opponent gets a potion during his 3rd deck cycle.
He wins the curse split EIGHT to TWO. Also wins the game by 4 points despite being pretty bad.

Games like this make me question why I even like Dominion.
The real question is, why were you buying pot?
I think we all know why people buy pot.

The real question is why he shuffled it in with his cards.
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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #403 on: August 11, 2013, 12:04:11 am »
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Just last night I played a clearly less experienced player.
I opened pot-silver, aiming for familiars. He opened moneylender-silver.
My pot missed the reshuffle and was paired with 2 copper / 2 estate.
My opponent is buying just random cards.
My opponent gets a potion during his 3rd deck cycle.
He wins the curse split EIGHT to TWO. Also wins the game by 4 points despite being pretty bad.

Games like this make me question why I even like Dominion.

That doesn't sound like a great moment to me, let alone one of the greatest.
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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #404 on: August 11, 2013, 12:07:48 pm »
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Just last night I played a clearly less experienced player.
I opened pot-silver, aiming for familiars. He opened moneylender-silver.
My pot missed the reshuffle and was paired with 2 copper / 2 estate.
My opponent is buying just random cards.
My opponent gets a potion during his 3rd deck cycle.
He wins the curse split EIGHT to TWO. Also wins the game by 4 points despite being pretty bad.

Games like this make me question why I even like Dominion.


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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #405 on: August 11, 2013, 12:14:32 pm »
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Just last night I played a clearly less experienced player.
I opened pot-silver, aiming for familiars. He opened moneylender-silver.
My pot missed the reshuffle and was paired with 2 copper / 2 estate.
My opponent is buying just random cards.
My opponent gets a potion during his 3rd deck cycle.
He wins the curse split EIGHT to TWO. Also wins the game by 4 points despite being pretty bad.

Games like this make me question why I even like Dominion.




I don't get it. That's a 6 point advantage and why is opening potion funny in that context?
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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #406 on: August 11, 2013, 12:18:08 pm »
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I don't get it. That's a 6 point advantage and why is opening potion funny in that context?


Well, crap.
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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #407 on: August 11, 2013, 03:12:34 pm »
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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #408 on: August 12, 2013, 06:56:08 pm »
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Watno   discards Market Square
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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #409 on: August 13, 2013, 03:39:37 am »
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The two remaining cards in your hand were not, by any chance, King's Court and Governor?
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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #410 on: August 13, 2013, 05:19:20 am »
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The two remaining cards in your hand were not, by any chance, King's Court and Governor?
Too bad MS doesn't topdeck the Gold.
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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #411 on: August 13, 2013, 05:24:22 am »
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LESPEUTERE: turn 13
...
LESPEUTERE   gains Inn
LESPEUTERE   places Mountebank, Mountebank, Inn on top of deck
LESPEUTERE   shuffles deck
LESPEUTERE   draws Curse, Mountebank, Inn, Mountebank
LESPEUTERE   shuffles deck
LESPEUTERE   draws Colony

SheCantSayNo: turn 13
...
SheCantSayNo   gains Inn
SheCantSayNo   places Inn, Trader on top of deck
SheCantSayNo   shuffles deck
SheCantSayNo   draws Copper, Inn, Trader, Gold, Silver
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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #412 on: August 13, 2013, 05:35:00 am »
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LESPEUTERE: turn 13
...
LESPEUTERE   gains Inn
LESPEUTERE   places Mountebank, Mountebank, Inn on top of deck
LESPEUTERE   shuffles deck
LESPEUTERE   draws Curse, Mountebank, Inn, Mountebank
LESPEUTERE   shuffles deck
LESPEUTERE   draws Colony

SheCantSayNo: turn 13
...
SheCantSayNo   gains Inn
SheCantSayNo   places Inn, Trader on top of deck
SheCantSayNo   shuffles deck
SheCantSayNo   draws Copper, Inn, Trader, Gold, Silver

Isn't it "shuffle in deck" instead of topdecking?
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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #413 on: August 13, 2013, 06:11:35 am »
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LESPEUTERE: turn 13
...
LESPEUTERE   gains Inn
LESPEUTERE   places Mountebank, Mountebank, Inn on top of deck
LESPEUTERE   shuffles deck
LESPEUTERE   draws Curse, Mountebank, Inn, Mountebank
LESPEUTERE   shuffles deck
LESPEUTERE   draws Colony

SheCantSayNo: turn 13
...
SheCantSayNo   gains Inn
SheCantSayNo   places Inn, Trader on top of deck
SheCantSayNo   shuffles deck
SheCantSayNo   draws Copper, Inn, Trader, Gold, Silver

Isn't it "shuffle in deck" instead of topdecking?
Apparently Goko does "shuffling in deck" by topdecking, then shuffling. And that's fine.
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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #414 on: August 13, 2013, 11:09:30 am »
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The two remaining cards in your hand were not, by any chance, King's Court and Governor?
Too bad MS doesn't topdeck the Gold.

But the Fool's Gold reaction does.
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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #415 on: August 13, 2013, 01:00:00 pm »
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LESPEUTERE: turn 13
...
LESPEUTERE   gains Inn
LESPEUTERE   places Mountebank, Mountebank, Inn on top of deck
LESPEUTERE   shuffles deck
LESPEUTERE   draws Curse, Mountebank, Inn, Mountebank
LESPEUTERE   shuffles deck
LESPEUTERE   draws Colony

SheCantSayNo: turn 13
...
SheCantSayNo   gains Inn
SheCantSayNo   places Inn, Trader on top of deck
SheCantSayNo   shuffles deck
SheCantSayNo   draws Copper, Inn, Trader, Gold, Silver

Isn't it "shuffle in deck" instead of topdecking?
Apparently Goko does "shuffling in deck" by topdecking, then shuffling. And that's fine.

Oh, did't notice. Thought this shuffling is because of a reshuffle  :)
Can't imagine Inn's power if the cards get topdecked...
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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #416 on: August 14, 2013, 09:40:29 pm »
+4

Some days, it's best to just resign before Turn 4.
I end up with 3 Ruins before my second reshuffle, and end up holding the entire Ruins pile before I get a $5 hand. How, you ask? My opponent opens Pearl Diver/Cultist, plays both on Turn 3 triggering a reshuffle AND picks up $5 for another Cultist, then topdecks both Cultists allowing him to play both immediately.

Skullclamp: turn 1
Skullclamp   buys Cultist
Skullclamp   draws Estate, Estate, Copper, Copper, Estate

Stealth Tomato: turn 1
Stealth Tomato   buys Steward
Stealth Tomato   draws Copper, Estate, Estate, Copper, Copper

Skullclamp: turn 2
Skullclamp   buys Pearl Diver
Skullclamp   shuffles deck
Skullclamp   draws Copper, Estate, Pearl Diver, Cultist, Copper

Stealth Tomato: turn 2
Stealth Tomato   buys Ambassador
Stealth Tomato   shuffles deck
Stealth Tomato   draws Estate, Ambassador, Copper, Copper, Steward

Skullclamp: turn 3
Skullclamp   plays Pearl Diver
Skullclamp   places Copper on top of deck
Skullclamp   plays Cultist
Skullclamp   draws Copper, Copper
Stealth Tomato   gains Abandoned Mine
Skullclamp   plays 5 Copper
Skullclamp   buys Cultist
Skullclamp   draws Copper, Estate, Estate, Copper
Skullclamp   shuffles deck
Skullclamp   draws Pearl Diver

Stealth Tomato: turn 3
Stealth Tomato   plays Ambassador
Stealth Tomato   reveals Copper
Stealth Tomato   returns Copper to the Supply
Stealth Tomato   returns Copper to the Supply
Skullclamp   gains Copper
Stealth Tomato   draws Copper, Estate, Copper, Copper, Estate

Skullclamp: turn 4
Skullclamp   plays Pearl Diver
Skullclamp   places Cultist on top of deck
Skullclamp   plays Cultist
Skullclamp   draws Cultist, Copper
Stealth Tomato   gains Abandoned Mine
Skullclamp   plays Cultist
Skullclamp   draws Estate, Copper
Stealth Tomato   gains Abandoned Mine
Skullclamp   plays 4 Copper
Skullclamp   buys Silver
Skullclamp   draws Copper, Copper, Copper
Skullclamp   shuffles deck
Skullclamp   draws Copper, Pearl Diver


I didn't hit a $5 hand until I had the entire Ruins pile.
Oh, did I mention City was in the Supply? And Expand?

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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #417 on: August 14, 2013, 10:31:05 pm »
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Some days, it's best to just resign before Turn 4.

It was nice of you to let him enjoy is lucky domination. I'm sure it wasn't much fun to play.  :(
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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #418 on: August 15, 2013, 01:47:14 pm »
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Some days, it's best to just resign before Turn 4.

It was nice of you to let him enjoy is lucky domination. I'm sure it wasn't much fun to play.  :(

In absurdly lopsided situations, unless the game is going to take goddamned forever, I usually like to play it out. It gives me a chance to evaluate how much of an edge these situations confer, and how well certain strategies work toward recovering from them. I'm not going to win this time, but the insights I gain might help me win in a less-dire version of the same game later. It's also kind of fun to just play around since you already know the outcome.
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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #419 on: August 15, 2013, 01:50:30 pm »
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Some days, it's best to just resign before Turn 4.

It was nice of you to let him enjoy is lucky domination. I'm sure it wasn't much fun to play.  :(

In absurdly lopsided situations, unless the game is going to take goddamned forever, I usually like to play it out. It gives me a chance to evaluate how much of an edge these situations confer, and how well certain strategies work toward recovering from them. I'm not going to win this time, but the insights I gain might help me win in a less-dire version of the same game later. It's also kind of fun to just play around since you already know the outcome.

I'll play it out except when it's KC-Goons-Masquerade.
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« Reply #420 on: August 15, 2013, 02:33:43 pm »
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I'll play it out except when it's KC-Goons-Masquerade.

I never understood why this pin bothered people so much. I've literally never used it or had it used against me in a game of Dominion. Probably because I can't have seen those three cards together more than once or twice in all the thousands of games.
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« Reply #421 on: August 15, 2013, 02:39:44 pm »
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I'll play it out except when it's KC-Goons-Masquerade.

I never understood why this pin bothered people so much. I've literally never used it or had it used against me in a game of Dominion. Probably because I can't have seen those three cards together more than once or twice in all the thousands of games.

I've never had it happen to me before, and I pulled it off once.  The main thing about it, is that once you pull it off, your opponent has absolutely no hope of winning.  You trash their whole deck, and there's nothing you can do about it.
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« Reply #422 on: August 15, 2013, 02:44:50 pm »
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I'll play it out except when it's KC-Goons-Masquerade.

I never understood why this pin bothered people so much. I've literally never used it or had it used against me in a game of Dominion. Probably because I can't have seen those three cards together more than once or twice in all the thousands of games.

I've seen it one or two times. It doesn't come up often, yeah, but when it does, your entire game becomes: Buy copper, buy curse, pass, every turn. It's entirely not fun. Being beaten by a good engine often gives you some small hope, and you can at least continue scoring points, instead of lose them as your opponent slowly marches towards ending the game.
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« Reply #423 on: August 15, 2013, 02:54:15 pm »
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I'll play it out except when it's KC-Goons-Masquerade.

I never understood why this pin bothered people so much. I've literally never used it or had it used against me in a game of Dominion. Probably because I can't have seen those three cards together more than once or twice in all the thousands of games.

I've seen it one or two times. It doesn't come up often, yeah, but when it does, your entire game becomes: Buy copper, buy curse, pass, every turn. It's entirely not fun. Being beaten by a good engine often gives you some small hope, and you can at least continue scoring points, instead of lose them as your opponent slowly marches towards ending the game.

Yeah, I'm aware of the implications. I just don't particularly care about a degenerate case that occurs once every few thousand games. Why are people bothered by this and not Possession-Forge, which is a two-card pin and therefore far more likely to actually appear?
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« Reply #424 on: August 15, 2013, 03:08:14 pm »
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Possession Forge also requires a lot of extra conditions to work, which makes it probably actually rarer to be able to implement than KC-Goons-Masq.
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