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I think I kind of like this Dark Ages thing.
« on: December 27, 2012, 08:29:21 pm »
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Second game with Dark Ages cards. 5x Colony buy with only Counterfeit for +Buy and only 3 Counterfeits (Counterfeiting a Counterfeit is a great endgame tool). I feel like a total newbie again and it's great.

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KC
  KC
    Hunting Grounds
    Hunting Grounds (empties deck)
    Upgrade
      Ambassador -> Monument
      Monument -> Counterfeit
      Upgrade -> Gold
Hunting Grounds
3 Silver, 2 Gold, 1 Platinum ($17, 1 buy)
Counterfeit on Horn of Plenty (Province, KC) ($18, 2b)
Counterfeit on Counterfeit ($19, 3b)
  on Bank ($40, 4b)
  on Bank ($61, 5b)
Bank ($70, 5b)
Buy 5x Colony
---------- Stealth Tomato: turn 19 ----------
Stealth Tomato - plays King's Court
Stealth Tomato - plays King's Court
Stealth Tomato - plays Hunting Grounds
Stealth Tomato - draws Bank, Silver, Colony, Colony
Stealth Tomato - plays Hunting Grounds
Stealth Tomato - draws Counterfeit, Bank, Upgrade, Silver
Stealth Tomato - plays Hunting Grounds
Stealth Tomato - draws Colony, Colony, Hunting Grounds, Bank
Stealth Tomato - plays King's Court
Stealth Tomato - plays Hunting Grounds
Stealth Tomato - draws Gold, Colony, Platinum, Counterfeit
Stealth Tomato - plays Hunting Grounds
Stealth Tomato - draws Hunting Grounds, Horn of Plenty, Ambassador
Stealth Tomato - plays Hunting Grounds
Stealth Tomato - plays King's Court
Stealth Tomato - plays Upgrade
Stealth Tomato - trashes Ambassador
Stealth Tomato - gains Monument
Stealth Tomato - plays Upgrade
Stealth Tomato - shuffles deck
Stealth Tomato - draws Monument
Stealth Tomato - trashes Monument
Stealth Tomato - gains Counterfeit
Stealth Tomato - plays Upgrade
Stealth Tomato - shuffles deck
Stealth Tomato - draws Counterfeit
Stealth Tomato - trashes Upgrade
Stealth Tomato - gains Gold
Stealth Tomato - plays Hunting Grounds
Stealth Tomato - shuffles deck
Stealth Tomato - draws Gold
Stealth Tomato - plays 3 Silver, 2 Gold, 1 Platinum
Stealth Tomato - plays Counterfeit
Stealth Tomato - plays Horn of Plenty
Stealth Tomato - gains Province
Stealth Tomato - trashes Horn of Plenty
Stealth Tomato - plays Horn of Plenty
Stealth Tomato - gains King's Court
Stealth Tomato - trashes Horn of Plenty
Stealth Tomato - plays Counterfeit
Stealth Tomato - plays Counterfeit
Stealth Tomato - plays Bank
Stealth Tomato - plays Bank
Stealth Tomato - trashes Bank
Stealth Tomato - plays Counterfeit
Stealth Tomato - plays Bank
Stealth Tomato - plays Bank
Stealth Tomato - trashes Bank
Stealth Tomato - trashes Counterfeit
Stealth Tomato - buys Colony
Stealth Tomato - gains Colony
Stealth Tomato - buys Colony
Stealth Tomato - gains Colony
Stealth Tomato - buys Colony
Stealth Tomato - gains Colony
Stealth Tomato - buys Colony
Stealth Tomato - gains Colony
Stealth Tomato - buys Colony
Stealth Tomato - gains Colony
Stealth Tomato - shuffles deck
Stealth Tomato - draws Province, Colony, King's Court, Colony, Gold
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Re: I think I kind of like this Dark Ages thing.
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2012, 08:36:16 pm »
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Using Counterfeit on another Counterfeit only generates $1 and 1 buy more than if you had played them independently.
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Re: I think I kind of like this Dark Ages thing.
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2012, 04:41:24 am »
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Quote from: dondon151 on December 27, 2012, 08:36:16 pm
Using Counterfeit on another Counterfeit only generates $1 and 1 buy more than if you had played them independently.

In general true, but in this case it also increases the values of his Banks.
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Re: I think I kind of like this Dark Ages thing.
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2012, 07:34:01 pm »
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Quote from: kn1tt3r on December 28, 2012, 04:41:24 am
Quote from: dondon151 on December 27, 2012, 08:36:16 pm
Using Counterfeit on another Counterfeit only generates $1 and 1 buy more than if you had played them independently.

In general true, but in this case it also increases the values of his Banks.

It should actually decrease the value of Bank.  Bank is worth more for each treasure card in play, not for each treasure played.  Counterfeiting trashes treasures, meaning they aren't in play, so they should not be counted for Bank.
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Re: I think I kind of like this Dark Ages thing.
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2012, 07:46:13 pm »
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OK, I have just worked it out, and for immediate benefit, it is best to Counterfeit a Counterfeit rather than Counterfeiting each Bank separately:

My hand consists of just 2 Counterfeits and 2 Banks.

Option 1:
-Play Counterfeit, get +1 Buy and $1, choose Bank; total is $1
--Play Bank, get $2 (Counterfeit, Bank in play); total is $3
--Play Bank, get $2 (Counterfeit, Bank in play); total is $5
--trash Bank
-Play Counterfeit, get +1 Buy and $1, choose Bank; total is $6
--Play Bank, get $3 (Counterfeit, Counterfeit, Bank in play); total is $9
--Play Bank, get $3 (Counterfeit, Counterfeit, Bank in play); total is $12
--trash Bank
End result: 2 Counterfeits in play, 2 Banks in trash, $12 and 3 buys

Option 2:
-Play Counterfeit, get +1 Buy and $1, choose Counterfeit; total is $1
--Play Counterfeit, get +1 Buy and $1, choose Bank; total is $2
---Play Bank, get $3 (Counterfeit, Counterfeit, Bank in play); total is $5
---Play Bank, get $3 (Counterfeit, Counterfeit, Bank in play); total is $8
---trash Bank
--Play Counterfeit, get +1 Buy and $1, choose Bank; total is $9
---Play Bank, get $3 (Counterfeit, Counterfeit, Bank in play); total is $12
---Play Bank, get $3 (Counterfeit, Counterfeit, Bank in play); total is $15
---trash Bank
--trash Counterfeit
End result: 1 Counterfeit in play, 1 Counterfeit and 2 Banks in trash, $15 and 4 buys

Net immediate benefit of $3 and 1 buy.
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Re: I think I kind of like this Dark Ages thing.
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2012, 06:08:33 pm »
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Quote from: dondon151 on December 27, 2012, 08:36:16 pm
Using Counterfeit on another Counterfeit only generates $1 and 1 buy more than if you had played them independently.
Correct, but that extra buy allowed me to kill the Colonies. Since I can't mine Goko logs, you can't tell, but that ended the game.

Quote from: michaeljb on December 28, 2012, 07:46:13 pm
OK, I have just worked it out, and for immediate benefit, it is best to Counterfeit a Counterfeit rather than Counterfeiting each Bank separately:

My hand consists of just 2 Counterfeits and 2 Banks.

Option 1:
-Play Counterfeit, get +1 Buy and $1, choose Bank; total is $1
--Play Bank, get $2 (Counterfeit, Bank in play); total is $3
--Play Bank, get $2 (Counterfeit, Bank in play); total is $5
--trash Bank
-Play Counterfeit, get +1 Buy and $1, choose Bank; total is $6
--Play Bank, get $3 (Counterfeit, Counterfeit, Bank in play); total is $9
--Play Bank, get $3 (Counterfeit, Counterfeit, Bank in play); total is $12
--trash Bank
End result: 2 Counterfeits in play, 2 Banks in trash, $12 and 3 buys

Option 2:
-Play Counterfeit, get +1 Buy and $1, choose Counterfeit; total is $1
--Play Counterfeit, get +1 Buy and $1, choose Bank; total is $2
---Play Bank, get $3 (Counterfeit, Counterfeit, Bank in play); total is $5
---Play Bank, get $3 (Counterfeit, Counterfeit, Bank in play); total is $8
---trash Bank
--Play Counterfeit, get +1 Buy and $1, choose Bank; total is $9
---Play Bank, get $3 (Counterfeit, Counterfeit, Bank in play); total is $12
---Play Bank, get $3 (Counterfeit, Counterfeit, Bank in play); total is $15
---trash Bank
--trash Counterfeit
End result: 1 Counterfeit in play, 1 Counterfeit and 2 Banks in trash, $15 and 4 buys

Net immediate benefit of $3 and 1 buy.
This depends on the value of Bank. If there are already, say, 5 Treasures in play, the bigger money play is to counterfeit Bank.
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