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Smuggle a spoils?
« on: December 26, 2012, 10:38:38 am »
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Simple question:  Can Smugglers gain a Spoils (assuming an opponent gained one on the previous turn).
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Re: Smuggle a spoils?
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2012, 10:46:59 am »
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No. Spoils are not in the supply.
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Re: Smuggle a spoils?
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2012, 04:35:39 pm »
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Smugglers doesn't actually say you have to gain it from the supply...
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Re: Smuggle a spoils?
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2012, 04:40:16 pm »
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Then you could argue that spoils don't cost 'up to six' since they cost 0*, not just 0.
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Re: Smuggle a spoils?
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2012, 04:40:39 pm »
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I'm too lazy to find the specific rules quote from the official rules, but here's a quote from the wiki http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Supply

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When you must choose a card to buy or gain, you MUST choose a card in the Supply. The exceptions are cards which direct you to buy or gain from elsewhere

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Re: Smuggle a spoils?
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2012, 04:40:47 pm »
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Re: Smuggle a spoils?
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2012, 04:45:42 pm »
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Smugglers doesn't actually say you have to gain it from the supply...

Whenever anything says "gain", it means "gain from supply", unless it explicitly says otherwise.

I think in the FAQ's for all the cards that say "gain something..." without specifying from where, the FAQ clarifies that it has to come from the supply.
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Re: Smuggle a spoils?
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2012, 06:02:43 pm »
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Smugglers doesn't actually say you have to gain it from the supply...

Whenever anything says "gain", it means "gain from supply", unless it explicitly says otherwise.

I think in the FAQ's for all the cards that say "gain something..." without specifying from where, the FAQ clarifies that it has to come from the supply.
I feel like someone pointed out somewhere that I missed one, but yes, all gains are from the supply unless otherwise specified. Smugglers cannot gain Spoils, since Spoils is never in the supply.
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Re: Smuggle a spoils?
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2013, 02:18:23 pm »
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Unless there happens to be a card that says on it "When you gain this, gain a Spoils."  Because... well... it could happen. Of course you would need to gain that card via Smugglers and THEN you would gain Spoils.  Until then, no.
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Re: Smuggle a spoils?
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2013, 02:21:46 pm »
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Unless there happens to be a card that says on it "When you gain this, gain a Spoils."  Because... well... it could happen. Of course you would need to gain that card via Smugglers and THEN you would gain Spoils.  Until then, no.

1) You mean "When you gain this, gain a Spoils from the Spoils pile."
2) Then you're not smuggling a Spoils; you're smuggling Card X and gaining a Spoils in the normal way.
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Re: Smuggle a spoils?
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2013, 03:19:30 pm »
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I feel like someone pointed out somewhere that I missed one, but yes, all gains are from the supply unless otherwise specified. Smugglers cannot gain Spoils, since Spoils is never in the supply.

This came up this weekend for me, and the FAQ for Spoils is particularly specific: one can only gain a Spoils using Bandit Camp, Marauder, or Pillage.  Period.
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Re: Smuggle a spoils?
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2013, 03:21:58 pm »
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Yeah, you also cannot Mint it, for example.
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Re: Smuggle a spoils?
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2013, 03:32:30 pm »
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Wait, so if I tried to return it with Ambassador would it stay in my hand?
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Re: Smuggle a spoils?
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2013, 03:44:16 pm »
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Wait, so if I tried to return it with Ambassador would it stay in my hand?

Yes. Same as the Shelters discussion happening elsewhere right now. Same with Prizes, Madmen, Mercenary. If a card is not in the supply, you can never return it to the supply. You can still choose it for Ambassador, but there will be no effect whatsoever.
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Re: Smuggle a spoils?
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2013, 04:26:13 pm »
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This came up this weekend for me, and the FAQ for Spoils is particularly specific: one can only gain a Spoils using Bandit Camp, Marauder, or Pillage.  Period.

Or Thief!

You can still choose it for Ambassador, but there will be no effect whatsoever.

Other than revealing it in the first place, of course.
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Re: Smuggle a spoils?
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2013, 05:04:31 pm »
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This came up this weekend for me, and the FAQ for Spoils is particularly specific: one can only gain a Spoils using Bandit Camp, Marauder, or Pillage.  Period.

Or Thief!

Good point. This is especially bad because Thief specifically says you "gain" the treasure, while the Spoils FAQ (at least on the wiki) says you can't "gain" Spoils except through those three cards.

I'm guessing Thief is a legal way to get it, but I'm not sure.
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Re: Smuggle a spoils?
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2013, 05:11:50 pm »
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Thief can get Spoils. You can also get passed one with Masquerade, although that isn't "gaining."
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Re: Smuggle a spoils?
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2013, 06:18:10 pm »
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Or Band of Misfits played as Marauder (or Thief).
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Re: Smuggle a spoils?
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2013, 06:32:26 pm »
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Or using that card from Guilds.  What was it called again?   ;D
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Re: Smuggle a spoils?
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2013, 11:53:24 am »
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Or using that card from Guilds.  What was it called again?   ;D

uwguild, I think.
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Re: Smuggle a spoils?
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2013, 12:15:46 pm »
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Or Band of Misfits played as Marauder.

But then you're not getting Spoils from BoM, you're getting it from Marauder.
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Re: Smuggle a spoils?
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2013, 01:52:33 pm »
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Smugglers doesn't actually say you have to gain it from the supply...

Whenever anything says "gain", it means "gain from supply", unless it explicitly says otherwise.

I think in the FAQ's for all the cards that say "gain something..." without specifying from where, the FAQ clarifies that it has to come from the supply.
I feel like someone pointed out somewhere that I missed one, but yes, all gains are from the supply unless otherwise specified. Smugglers cannot gain Spoils, since Spoils is never in the supply.

I could see someone complaining about Black Market.  It says that you may buy one of the revealed cards.  Buying is distinct from gaining, so if you want to be really picky, you might wonder if buying this revealed, say, Watchtower causes you to gain it (and thus not gain it, since it isn't in the supply) or gain it from the Black Market deck.  But it's clear what the intent of the card is.  It's not just for triggering on-buy effect or wasting money.
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Re: Smuggle a spoils?
« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2013, 03:03:19 pm »
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just a quick question on the subject. How about harlekin hitting a spoils?
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Re: Smuggle a spoils?
« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2013, 03:05:34 pm »
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just a quick question on the subject. How about harlekin hitting a spoils?
If you mean Jester, then the spoils gets discarded, I think technically Jester player (or his possessor) chooses who gets the spoils, then nothing happens - no one actually gains it.

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Re: Smuggle a spoils?
« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2013, 03:10:27 pm »
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Ah yes jester =) just got the question from an RL game. so the german name was in my head . thanks
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