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Playing with DA
« on: December 20, 2012, 08:51:04 pm »
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Hi all,

For those of you who have played Dark Ages, how do you generally play with the Dark Ages cards to get the most fun out of the expansion: 1) Play games only with DA and then other games with cards from the other expansions 2) Just randomly mix up Dark Ages with all the other expansions 3) or have a set amount of Dark Ages cards in the kingdom when you play with the expansion (like potion cards)?

Thanks for your input,
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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2012, 09:24:23 pm »
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When I first got Dark Ages, I played Dark-Ages-only games, then I went down to 5 Dark Ages cards and 5 other cards, now I mostly just mix them in.
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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2012, 09:29:26 pm »
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I'm at the mix-em-in stage.
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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2012, 09:29:37 pm »
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We started with just DA cards. Now we're doing half DA and half others. We haven't had a lot of opportunities to play with the holiday season, so we're trying to make sure we see the DA cards a lot.
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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2012, 11:54:55 pm »
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When I first got Dark Ages, I played Dark-Ages-only games, then I went down to 5 Dark Ages cards and 5 other cards, now I mostly just mix them in.

Same. we typically do either 3 or 4 cards from 3 sets to build our kingdoms. We rotate through so that each set sees about the same number of plays in an evening, though popular sets may see an extra outing than an unpopular one.
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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2012, 12:11:35 am »
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When I first got Dark Ages, I played Dark-Ages-only games, then I went down to 5 Dark Ages cards and 5 other cards, now I mostly just mix them in.

Same. we typically do either 3 or 4 cards from 3 sets to build our kingdoms. We rotate through so that each set sees about the same number of plays in an evening, though popular sets may see an extra outing than an unpopular one.
I thought I saw you mentioning this method of card choosing in an old thread. Could you explain how you choose your kingdom cards? Thanks!

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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2012, 12:12:07 am »
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I'm at the mix-em-in stage.

Any favorite sets/cards?

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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2012, 12:55:46 am »
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I'm at the mix-em-in stage.

Any favorite sets/cards?

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Well, given that I tend to play on Goko more often than not, I play with whatever is thrown at me.  But, when I do play in person, I try to make a well-rounded kingdom, with a Village and draw and +Buy and whatnot.  As for favorite cards (I'm assuming from Dark Ages): Rebuild is fun, as are the Knights, and I really enjoy throwing Fortress, Rats and Death Cart in with each other.  Count and Altar are awesome, and there's just something satisfying about pulling off a Cultist chain.  And you have to do at least one Graverobber game.

As for a set, try a game with Bishop, Rats, Wandering Minstrel.
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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2012, 02:36:17 am »
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When I started playing DA only, there was always some whacky combo in the kingdom. Sometimes it would give me headaches just resolving all the actions played (in real-life Dominion that is).
For me personally it was just too much at once to properly evaluate the power of the new cards.

Then we started to do completely random setups usually ending up with 1 or 2 cards from DA. That works much better for me, now i finally get to appreciate the strengths and weaknesses of the new cards when they come up in an otherwise somewhat familiar setup. Now I really love the DA cards because they enable some sort of engine in almost every game.
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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2012, 09:58:24 am »
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I'm at the mix-em-in stage.

Any favorite sets/cards?

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Well, given that I tend to play on Goko more often than not, I play with whatever is thrown at me.  But, when I do play in person, I try to make a well-rounded kingdom, with a Village and draw and +Buy and whatnot.  As for favorite cards (I'm assuming from Dark Ages): Rebuild is fun, as are the Knights, and I really enjoy throwing Fortress, Rats and Death Cart in with each other.  Count and Altar are awesome, and there's just something satisfying about pulling off a Cultist chain.  And you have to do at least one Graverobber game.

As for a set, try a game with Bishop, Rats, Wandering Minstrel.

Thanks! Super helpful!
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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2012, 10:02:15 am »
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When I started playing DA only, there was always some whacky combo in the kingdom. Sometimes it would give me headaches just resolving all the actions played (in real-life Dominion that is).
For me personally it was just too much at once to properly evaluate the power of the new cards.

Then we started to do completely random setups usually ending up with 1 or 2 cards from DA. That works much better for me, now i finally get to appreciate the strengths and weaknesses of the new cards when they come up in an otherwise somewhat familiar setup. Now I really love the DA cards because they enable some sort of engine in almost every game.

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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2012, 10:32:57 am »
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I agree with PitzerMike. I'm not a huge fan of Dark Ages only. I like to see synergies between expansions. For example Dark Ages + Cornucopia + Hinterlands is awesome (remake two cultists into a border village then gain an Ill-Gotten gains...)
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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2012, 01:34:08 am »
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When I first got Dark Ages, I played Dark-Ages-only games, then I went down to 5 Dark Ages cards and 5 other cards, now I mostly just mix them in.

Same. we typically do either 3 or 4 cards from 3 sets to build our kingdoms. We rotate through so that each set sees about the same number of plays in an evening, though popular sets may see an extra outing than an unpopular one.
I thought I saw you mentioning this method of card choosing in an old thread. Could you explain how you choose your kingdom cards? Thanks!

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Hey Warrior - sorry to be slow on the response.

Typically, we will shuffle the randomizer decks for the sets (we keep them separate), and then draw off the top X cards. Typically, we will choose 4 cards from Prosperity, Seaside, DA, or Hinterlands with 3 from each of the other 2 chosen sets.  THis is, of course, subject to whim - if we feel like playing a particular set, we are more likely to draw 4 from it. We do a sort of "soft veto" where if we really don't feel like playing with a particular card, we reserve the option to skip it and grab the next card in the blue deck. An example is if Sea Hag shows up on a very sloggy board for the last game of the night - that isn't how we want to end the evening, so we might replace her. After the kingdom is built, we return the blue cards to the bottom of their randomizer deck. So, no single card is likely to appear more than once or maybe twice in a night.
This weekend, we used the set generator that was just created by Onigame. It was fun and definitely created some very interesting sets (I submitted one of them to Theory for the design contest). However, it seemed that there were definitely some cards that were preferred over others. I think Familiar and Haggler were in at least 3 or 4 of the 8 or so games we played.
Anyway - that's how we do it, and it seems to work out well. I suggested the use of Onigame's generator to take a look at potentially using cards from more than three boards at once, but it turns out that it tends to clump them anyway! :)
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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2012, 02:07:04 pm »
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When I first got Dark Ages, I played Dark-Ages-only games, then I went down to 5 Dark Ages cards and 5 other cards, now I mostly just mix them in.

Same. we typically do either 3 or 4 cards from 3 sets to build our kingdoms. We rotate through so that each set sees about the same number of plays in an evening, though popular sets may see an extra outing than an unpopular one.
I thought I saw you mentioning this method of card choosing in an old thread. Could you explain how you choose your kingdom cards? Thanks!

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Hey Warrior - sorry to be slow on the response.

Typically, we will shuffle the randomizer decks for the sets (we keep them separate), and then draw off the top X cards. Typically, we will choose 4 cards from Prosperity, Seaside, DA, or Hinterlands with 3 from each of the other 2 chosen sets.  THis is, of course, subject to whim - if we feel like playing a particular set, we are more likely to draw 4 from it. We do a sort of "soft veto" where if we really don't feel like playing with a particular card, we reserve the option to skip it and grab the next card in the blue deck. An example is if Sea Hag shows up on a very sloggy board for the last game of the night - that isn't how we want to end the evening, so we might replace her. After the kingdom is built, we return the blue cards to the bottom of their randomizer deck. So, no single card is likely to appear more than once or maybe twice in a night.
This weekend, we used the set generator that was just created by Onigame. It was fun and definitely created some very interesting sets (I submitted one of them to Theory for the design contest). However, it seemed that there were definitely some cards that were preferred over others. I think Familiar and Haggler were in at least 3 or 4 of the 8 or so games we played.
Anyway - that's how we do it, and it seems to work out well. I suggested the use of Onigame's generator to take a look at potentially using cards from more than three boards at once, but it turns out that it tends to clump them anyway! :)

Wow! That seems very cool! Maybe I will try that. You use 3 expansions at a time, right?
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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #14 on: December 25, 2012, 05:28:38 pm »
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Anyone get DA for Christmas? :)
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« Reply #15 on: December 25, 2012, 06:09:48 pm »
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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2012, 02:12:10 am »
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When I first got Dark Ages, I played Dark-Ages-only games, then I went down to 5 Dark Ages cards and 5 other cards, now I mostly just mix them in.

Same. we typically do either 3 or 4 cards from 3 sets to build our kingdoms. We rotate through so that each set sees about the same number of plays in an evening, though popular sets may see an extra outing than an unpopular one.
I thought I saw you mentioning this method of card choosing in an old thread. Could you explain how you choose your kingdom cards? Thanks!

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Hey Warrior - sorry to be slow on the response.

Typically, we will shuffle the randomizer decks for the sets (we keep them separate), and then draw off the top X cards. Typically, we will choose 4 cards from Prosperity, Seaside, DA, or Hinterlands with 3 from each of the other 2 chosen sets.  THis is, of course, subject to whim - if we feel like playing a particular set, we are more likely to draw 4 from it. We do a sort of "soft veto" where if we really don't feel like playing with a particular card, we reserve the option to skip it and grab the next card in the blue deck. An example is if Sea Hag shows up on a very sloggy board for the last game of the night - that isn't how we want to end the evening, so we might replace her. After the kingdom is built, we return the blue cards to the bottom of their randomizer deck. So, no single card is likely to appear more than once or maybe twice in a night.
This weekend, we used the set generator that was just created by Onigame. It was fun and definitely created some very interesting sets (I submitted one of them to Theory for the design contest). However, it seemed that there were definitely some cards that were preferred over others. I think Familiar and Haggler were in at least 3 or 4 of the 8 or so games we played.
Anyway - that's how we do it, and it seems to work out well. I suggested the use of Onigame's generator to take a look at potentially using cards from more than three boards at once, but it turns out that it tends to clump them anyway! :)

Wow! That seems very cool! Maybe I will try that. You use 3 expansions at a time, right?

Yep, almost always 3. It isn't a hard-and-fast rule, though. When DA first came out, after we had played all of the recommended sets and several DA-only sets, we were still DA-intensive, so there were several nights of half DA, half something else boards.
If you have any ideas of ways to mix it up, I am open to suggestions!
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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2012, 04:28:47 am »
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When we play, we first randomize which randomizer we're going to use.
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« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2012, 07:10:56 pm »
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When we play, we first randomize which randomizer we're going to use.

Am I to understand that you take one blue card from each set and draw X of them and then Y random cards from each of the X sets?
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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2012, 07:17:39 pm »
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A bit late to the party, as I only got DA a few days ago. Just wanted to say trash. Lots and lots and lots of it. I believe my first game with all DA cards had over 200 cards in the trash.
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« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2012, 04:42:53 am »
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When I first got Dark Ages, I played Dark-Ages-only games, then I went down to 5 Dark Ages cards and 5 other cards, now I mostly just mix them in.

Same. we typically do either 3 or 4 cards from 3 sets to build our kingdoms. We rotate through so that each set sees about the same number of plays in an evening, though popular sets may see an extra outing than an unpopular one.
I thought I saw you mentioning this method of card choosing in an old thread. Could you explain how you choose your kingdom cards? Thanks!

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Hey Warrior - sorry to be slow on the response.

Typically, we will shuffle the randomizer decks for the sets (we keep them separate), and then draw off the top X cards. Typically, we will choose 4 cards from Prosperity, Seaside, DA, or Hinterlands with 3 from each of the other 2 chosen sets.  THis is, of course, subject to whim - if we feel like playing a particular set, we are more likely to draw 4 from it. We do a sort of "soft veto" where if we really don't feel like playing with a particular card, we reserve the option to skip it and grab the next card in the blue deck. An example is if Sea Hag shows up on a very sloggy board for the last game of the night - that isn't how we want to end the evening, so we might replace her. After the kingdom is built, we return the blue cards to the bottom of their randomizer deck. So, no single card is likely to appear more than once or maybe twice in a night.
This weekend, we used the set generator that was just created by Onigame. It was fun and definitely created some very interesting sets (I submitted one of them to Theory for the design contest). However, it seemed that there were definitely some cards that were preferred over others. I think Familiar and Haggler were in at least 3 or 4 of the 8 or so games we played.
Anyway - that's how we do it, and it seems to work out well. I suggested the use of Onigame's generator to take a look at potentially using cards from more than three boards at once, but it turns out that it tends to clump them anyway! :)

Wow! That seems very cool! Maybe I will try that. You use 3 expansions at a time, right?

Yep, almost always 3. It isn't a hard-and-fast rule, though. When DA first came out, after we had played all of the recommended sets and several DA-only sets, we were still DA-intensive, so there were several nights of half DA, half something else boards.
If you have any ideas of ways to mix it up, I am open to suggestions!

Thank you! I completed my Dominion collection over Christmas with some generous gifts of expansions given to me by by family. I played one game of Dark Ages so far. It was a purely DA set with 4 players and we used one of the recommended sets. It was very enjoyable!
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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2012, 07:56:02 pm »
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Just played the DA recommended set Grim Parade. The cards available were: Market Square, Forager, Procession, Forretress, Armory, Knights, Cultist, Catacombs, Band of Misfits, and Hunting Grounds. It was a great game! Armory really accelerated the 3-pile ending. Depleted piles were Market Square, Ruins, and Estates. It was a 4 player game and everyone besides me got 4/3 and I got 5/2. I opened Cultist/nothing, hoping to pound out the ruins quickly and get a cultist chain set up. I planned to transition into a foretress/knights/catacombs or HG/ MS + forager for $. I ended up grabbing Foragers and Forretresses and Market Squares early. I picked up Dame Anna (trashing) and Sir Destry (+2 cards) pretty early. I was the only one who ended up going for knights. My engine wasn't getting started as fast as I hoped it would and I was pretty low on economy. Only one other person went for Cultists and she was the one who ended up beating me. Before I knew it, I was losing by two Colonies to her, and with the Ruins gone, 1 MS left, and only a couple Estates left, she started to end the game while still continuing to pick up VP. She picked up a couple MS, a Forager, some Fortresses, a HG or two, and 3 Cultists with lots of money. We ran similar strategies but she went for more money and I went for more engine components. At that point, my only economy consisted of 2 golds and a silver, and I only had 1 HG for draw. I ended up picking up 2 colonies, 1 province, 1 duchy, and 1 estate. I lost by 3 points. How would you have played this game? Anything I should have done differently? If you have any questions about the game, ask me before I forget what happened! Happy New Year!

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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2012, 08:32:00 pm »
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Just played the DA recommended set Grim Parade... <snip>
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I don't think you should have gone market square at all, as your cards are not going to be trashed (except forager I guess, but you need collision) as nobody else bought knights. Silvers would have been better here for your economy. Also, I don't see the engine working overall, I would go hard on the cultists (3-4), then transition into catacombs-BM which I believe is pretty strong (and the winner did go more Big Money). I also think knights are strong overall, and fitting a few of them in (especially Anna) is a strong play overall. 
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« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2012, 08:38:34 pm »
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Just played the DA recommended set Grim Parade... <snip>
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I don't think you should have gone market square at all, as your cards are not going to be trashed (except forager I guess, but you need collision) as nobody else bought knights. Silvers would have been better here for your economy. Also, I don't see the engine working overall, I would go hard on the cultists (3-4), then transition into catacombs-BM which I believe is pretty strong (and the winner did go more Big Money). I also think knights are strong overall, and fitting a few of them in (especially Anna) is a strong play overall.

Hmm, I really saw an engine here, especially with strong terminals and Fortress for +actions.
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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2012, 11:59:38 pm »
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You can add Colonies, if you like, but I do believe an all DA game is intended to not be played with Colonies. But, other people probably feel different on the matter, so don't worry.
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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #26 on: December 30, 2012, 12:24:10 am »
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You can add Colonies, if you like, but I do believe an all DA game is intended to not be played with Colonies. But, other people probably feel different on the matter, so don't worry.
We always love to add Platina and Colonies in all games. Makes it more interesting.

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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #27 on: December 30, 2012, 02:07:45 am »
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You can add Colonies, if you like, but I do believe an all DA game is intended to not be played with Colonies. But, other people probably feel different on the matter, so don't worry.

Why would you say that?  Thematics?  Prosperity and DA are both Dominion expansions, and expansions are meant to be played with each other.  Moreover, Colonies favour engine building and DA has plenty of engine cards.  Wandering Minstrel, Poor House in treasureless engines, Procession for cute combos, Hunting Grounds for huge draw... lots of stuff.
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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #28 on: December 30, 2012, 02:19:01 am »
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Well an all DA set has 0 Prosperity cards, and the Prosperity rulebook says Colonies should be included based on the proportion of Prosperity cards in the set.
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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #29 on: December 30, 2012, 12:26:32 pm »
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If there is an opportunity for a strong deck to be built, we ALWAYS use platina and colonies. It adds a lot more excitement to the game. I find some DA cards even more potent to create huge engines than some Prosperity cards. Our rule - ALWAYS use Platina and Colonies.
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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #30 on: December 30, 2012, 03:13:22 pm »
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There's definitely crazy engine stuff to be done there. Procession makes that set insane.

Procession-Fortress is a lab which gives you +4 actions and gains you a 5-cost card (and keeps the fortress in your hand). Procession-Cultist gives you +7 cards, gives out 2 ruins and gains you a hunting grounds in exchange for your cultist. Band of Misfits can be either a Procession or a Fortress depending on what else is in your hand. Procession-Armory puts Procession-Fortress on top of your deck, and gains you a 5-cost card in exchange for your armory.

Procession on, like, any card in that set is awesome. 

I don't know how it would play out in 4-player though. In 2-player, sometime around turn 9-11 you can procession your way into gaining, like, EVERYTHING. And if you have a lot of fortresses and cultists, you're knight-proof - if the knight trashes a fortress, that puts it in your hand, if the knight trashes a cultist you do lose the cultist but you start with an 8-card hand.
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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #31 on: December 30, 2012, 03:39:40 pm »
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If there is an opportunity for a strong deck to be built, we ALWAYS use platina and colonies. It adds a lot more excitement to the game. I find some DA cards even more potent to create huge engines than some Prosperity cards. Our rule - ALWAYS use Platina and Colonies.
That's a dominion variant then, not actually dominion.

I try to be a purist, because I like the idea of being able to run into someone I've never met before and us both having had similar experiences. 
That said, I wish the official rules used a different formula for deciding whether to use Shelters and Platina. 

It's particularly silly that the presence of Bishop and Monument trigger a chance of playing with Colonies that make the VP they produce irrelevant most of the time.
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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #32 on: December 30, 2012, 03:52:16 pm »
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If there is an opportunity for a strong deck to be built, we ALWAYS use platina and colonies. It adds a lot more excitement to the game. I find some DA cards even more potent to create huge engines than some Prosperity cards. Our rule - ALWAYS use Platina and Colonies.
That's a dominion variant then, not actually dominion.

Well that is an actual way of playing Dominion. It increases the fun of the game by allowing the game to last longer. What makes you say using platina and colonies all the time not real dominion?

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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #33 on: December 30, 2012, 05:45:05 pm »
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I normally play with a mix of all expansions  :)
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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #34 on: December 30, 2012, 06:10:53 pm »
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If there is an opportunity for a strong deck to be built, we ALWAYS use platina and colonies. It adds a lot more excitement to the game. I find some DA cards even more potent to create huge engines than some Prosperity cards. Our rule - ALWAYS use Platina and Colonies.
That's a dominion variant then, not actually dominion.

Well that is an actual way of playing Dominion. It increases the fun of the game by allowing the game to last longer. What makes you say using platina and colonies all the time not real dominion?

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I can't speak for pops, but I agree with him and I'd say the Prosperity rulebook is what makes me say that.
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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #35 on: December 30, 2012, 06:43:47 pm »
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If there is an opportunity for a strong deck to be built, we ALWAYS use platina and colonies. It adds a lot more excitement to the game. I find some DA cards even more potent to create huge engines than some Prosperity cards. Our rule - ALWAYS use Platina and Colonies.
That's a dominion variant then, not actually dominion.

Well that is an actual way of playing Dominion. It increases the fun of the game by allowing the game to last longer. What makes you say using platina and colonies all the time not real dominion?

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I can't speak for pops, but I agree with him and I'd say the Prosperity rulebook is what makes me say that.

Why do you think playing with colonies and platina makes the game not true Dominion? I mean, Donald X. made different expansions with different cards so people can make their own decks that are the most fun. I would think he is recommending platina and colonies only be used when using prosperity, not saying it is against the rules to use them with other games.

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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #36 on: December 30, 2012, 06:52:48 pm »
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I think if you always want to play with Colonies nothing wrong with that. But, some cards and strategies are not as fun to play in a Colony game and vice versa. For instance, Jack of all Trades is very strong in Province games, but in most Colony games those Silvers make little difference. So, always playing with Colonies actually changes some of the cards. Same thing with Shelters, Ambassador is a powerhouse in estate games, but throw in Shelters and most of the time, the correct play is to not buy Ambassador at all.
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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #37 on: December 30, 2012, 06:57:08 pm »
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I think if you always want to play with Colonies nothing wrong with that. But, some cards and strategies are not as fun to play in a Colony game and vice versa. For instance, Jack of all Trades is very strong in Province games, but in most Colony games those Silvers make little difference. So, always playing with Colonies actually changes some of the cards. Same thing with Shelters, Ambassador is a powerhouse in estate games, but throw in Shelters and most of the time, the correct play is to not buy Ambassador at all.

I completely agree with you.

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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #38 on: December 30, 2012, 07:00:25 pm »
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If there is an opportunity for a strong deck to be built, we ALWAYS use platina and colonies. It adds a lot more excitement to the game. I find some DA cards even more potent to create huge engines than some Prosperity cards. Our rule - ALWAYS use Platina and Colonies.
That's a dominion variant then, not actually dominion.

Well that is an actual way of playing Dominion. It increases the fun of the game by allowing the game to last longer. What makes you say using platina and colonies all the time not real dominion?

warrior297

I can't speak for pops, but I agree with him and I'd say the Prosperity rulebook is what makes me say that.

Why do you think playing with colonies and platina makes the game not true Dominion? I mean, Donald X. made different expansions with different cards so people can make their own decks that are the most fun. I would think he is recommending platina and colonies only be used when using prosperity, not saying it is against the rules to use them with other games.

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Quote from: Prosperity Rulebook
If only Kingdom cards from Prosperity are being used this game, then the Platinum and Colony piles
are added to the Basic cards in the Supply for the game. If a mix of Kingdom cards from Prosperity
and other sets are being used, then the inclusion of Platinum and Colony in the Supply should be
determined randomly, based on the proportion of Prosperity and non-Prosperity cards in use. For
example, choose a random Kingdom card being used - such as the first card dealt out from the
Randomizer deck - and if it is from Prosperity, add Platinum and Colony to the Supply.
Having said that, I don't see why anyone particularly cares if you're playing "true Dominion" or not.

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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #39 on: December 30, 2012, 07:07:05 pm »
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If there is an opportunity for a strong deck to be built, we ALWAYS use platina and colonies. It adds a lot more excitement to the game. I find some DA cards even more potent to create huge engines than some Prosperity cards. Our rule - ALWAYS use Platina and Colonies.
That's a dominion variant then, not actually dominion.

Well that is an actual way of playing Dominion. It increases the fun of the game by allowing the game to last longer. What makes you say using platina and colonies all the time not real dominion?

warrior297

I can't speak for pops, but I agree with him and I'd say the Prosperity rulebook is what makes me say that.

Why do you think playing with colonies and platina makes the game not true Dominion? I mean, Donald X. made different expansions with different cards so people can make their own decks that are the most fun. I would think he is recommending platina and colonies only be used when using prosperity, not saying it is against the rules to use them with other games.

warrior297

Quote from: Prosperity Rulebook
If only Kingdom cards from Prosperity are being used this game, then the Platinum and Colony piles
are added to the Basic cards in the Supply for the game. If a mix of Kingdom cards from Prosperity
and other sets are being used, then the inclusion of Platinum and Colony in the Supply should be
determined randomly, based on the proportion of Prosperity and non-Prosperity cards in use. For
example, choose a random Kingdom card being used - such as the first card dealt out from the
Randomizer deck - and if it is from Prosperity, add Platinum and Colony to the Supply.
Having said that, I don't see why anyone particularly cares if you're playing "true Dominion" or not.

I don't understand why either.
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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #40 on: December 30, 2012, 07:43:59 pm »
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I explained why - I like the idea of standardization so that if I run into someone else who plays, we've got experience playing the same game. 

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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #41 on: December 30, 2012, 07:52:39 pm »
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I explained why - I like the idea of standardization so that if I run into someone else who plays, we've got experience playing the same game.

But we are both playing the same game the way I see it. Do you see it differently just because I use higher cost VP more often than you are? The ways we play are closer than if you played Dominion with someone who had different expansions than you.

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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #42 on: December 30, 2012, 09:17:37 pm »
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That said, I wish the official rules used a different formula for deciding whether to use Shelters and Platina. 

If you want to be technical and read things literally, the official rules DO NOT specify a formula! They say that the chance of using Plat/Col/Shelters should be determined "based on" the number of Prosperity/DA cards. They don't say HOW it should be based on them. They give an example - flipping over one card to see what set its from. But flipping over two, or three, or ten cards would be just as viable given the rules as stated, or applying some arbitrary formula, as long as that formula depends in some way on the number of cards from Prosperity/DA.
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« Reply #43 on: December 30, 2012, 10:31:58 pm »
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Yes, you are correct.  Even that broad set of formulas doesn't make me happy though.  I think a game with no Dark Ages cards should have a nonzero probability of shelters in an ideal formula
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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #44 on: December 30, 2012, 10:55:50 pm »
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I think Shelters were made to be used where there is trashing available, and Colonies and Platinums were created to lengthen games where big engines and big money turns are available. Do you agree?

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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #45 on: December 30, 2012, 11:30:14 pm »
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You can add Colonies, if you like, but I do believe an all DA game is intended to not be played with Colonies. But, other people probably feel different on the matter, so don't worry.

Why would you say that?  Thematics?  Prosperity and DA are both Dominion expansions, and expansions are meant to be played with each other.  Moreover, Colonies favour engine building and DA has plenty of engine cards.  Wandering Minstrel, Poor House in treasureless engines, Procession for cute combos, Hunting Grounds for huge draw... lots of stuff.

I missed the key words "all DA".  My bad.  The comment is fair.
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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #46 on: December 31, 2012, 02:20:55 am »
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I think Shelters were made to be used where there is trashing available, and Colonies and Platinums were created to lengthen games where big engines and big money turns are available. Do you agree?

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I don't think so. 

Shelters change the game when trashing is available, but they also change the game when it isn't.

Colonies can lengthen the game when big engines and big turns are available, but they ALSO change the game when such engines/turns aren't available. They MAKE engines viable even when you can't really make a big engine. They completely change the dynamics and pacing of non-engine games too.

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Re: Playing with DA
« Reply #47 on: December 31, 2012, 11:15:43 am »
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I think Shelters were made to be used where there is trashing available, and Colonies and Platinums were created to lengthen games where big engines and big money turns are available. Do you agree?

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I don't think so. 

Shelters change the game when trashing is available, but they also change the game when it isn't.

Colonies can lengthen the game when big engines and big turns are available, but they ALSO change the game when such engines/turns aren't available. They MAKE engines viable even when you can't really make a big engine. They completely change the dynamics and pacing of non-engine games too.

True.
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